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| topol | #startmeeting interop_challenge | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 1 14:00:27 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is topol. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: interop_challenge)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'interop_challenge' | 14:00 |
| tongli | o/ | 14:00 |
| topol | Hi everyone, who is here for the interop challenge meeting today? | 14:00 |
| topol | The agenda for today can be found at: | 14:00 |
| topol | # https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/interop-challenge-meeting-2017-02-01 | 14:00 |
| topol | We can use this same etherpad to take notes | 14:00 |
| markvoelker_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| topol | small crowd today... anyone else here? | 14:02 |
| eeiden | o/ | 14:02 |
| topol | K, lets gets started. hopefully other folks join. | 14:02 |
| topol | Agenda: | 14:02 |
| topol | #topic Review last meeting action items | 14:02 |
| topol | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interop_challenge/2017/interop_challenge.2017-01-25-14.03.html | 14:02 |
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| topol | tongli to update agenda with corrected terminology | 14:03 |
| topol | I think you already dis this, correct? | 14:03 |
| dmellado | hey topol o/ | 14:03 |
| dmellado | I was about to miss the meeting | 14:03 |
| topol | hi dmellado, glad you made it | 14:04 |
| tongli | @topol, yes, I did. | 14:04 |
| dmellado | as it isn't even stated on the IRC | 14:04 |
| gema | o/ | 14:04 |
| topol | dmellado what does that mean? | 14:04 |
| dmellado | on last meeting tongli IIRC stated that there woudln't be due the to the chinese new year | 14:04 |
| zhipengh | o/ | 14:04 |
| dmellado | I mean, it wasn't on the meeting page, IIRC | 14:04 |
| dmellado | it stated that it was going to be next week | 14:04 |
| dmellado | let me check, just in case | 14:04 |
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| tongli | @dmellado, that was for the china chapter meeting. | 14:05 |
| dmellado | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Interop_Challenge#Meeting_Information | 14:05 |
| tongli | we still have our own. their meeting most likely will be in Chinese. | 14:05 |
| topol | oh... wow, I thought I went rogue there for a sec. :-) | 14:05 |
| dmellado | oh, it's there now | 14:05 |
| dmellado | cool! | 14:05 |
| skazi_ | o/ | 14:05 |
| dmellado | can't we integrate that china chapter meeting with the usual one? | 14:06 |
| dmellado | I'd love to hear what do they have to say ;) | 14:06 |
| topol | but that reminds me I can send a ping to everyone before meetings start on IRC. I look at the logs and make a list of our common attendees | 14:06 |
| tongli | @dmellado, you are welcome to join in. the problem was language and time | 14:06 |
| topol | dmellado, we plan to use tongli and his bilingual abilities to keep us uodated. I should add that as a permanent agenda item. | 14:07 |
| dmellado | tongli: I see, well, if it's just about time we can have a split in US/EMEA/ASIA | 14:07 |
| tongli | @topol, yes, please. | 14:07 |
| dmellado | but if you're proxy-ing tongli , then I'm fine for now ;) | 14:07 |
| topol | #action topol to create a ping reminder list for our meeting attendees | 14:07 |
| topol | #action topol add agenda item for update from China chapter meeting | 14:08 |
| tongli | @dmellado, also language issue. most of these guys insisted to use Chinese when I talked to them while I was there two weeks ago to kick off the chapter. | 14:08 |
| dmellado | tongli: hmm, interesting stuff | 14:08 |
| topol | but there code goes in our repository :-) | 14:08 |
| topol | err their code | 14:08 |
| dmellado | I can kinda understand the language barrier | 14:08 |
| dmellado | but then I might request a spanish meeting too xD | 14:09 |
| tongli | @topol, that is right. also the meeting minutes everything. | 14:09 |
| topol | tongli to add a recommended actions before you show up at PTG section to the agenda etherpd | 14:09 |
| tongli | just different time and language for the meeting. | 14:09 |
| topol | tongli did you add this? | 14:09 |
| dmellado | anyway, I won't block the meeting with this ;) | 14:09 |
| gema | dmellado: you mean more than you already did? :P | 14:09 |
| dmellado | gema: heh xD | 14:09 |
| topol | tongli I dont see. this. I think you still need to add it | 14:10 |
| dmellado | gema: don't go on, or I'll sing you up for the spanish chapter | 14:10 |
| gema | dmellado: I don't speak spanish, lo siento senyor | 14:10 |
| tongli | @topol, what did I add? | 14:10 |
| topol | dmellado Yo hablo espanol. | 14:10 |
| dmellado | topol: gema oh, perfecto entonces xD | 14:11 |
| tongli | haha. | 14:11 |
| topol | tongli you were supposed to add a section of what new folks should ahead of the meeting to be able to show up and run the workloads I think | 14:11 |
| topol | should do ahead of the meeting | 14:11 |
| tongli | @topol, do you mean the meeting information on the wikipage about China chapter? | 14:12 |
| topol | no, Im talking about the PTG meeting | 14:12 |
| topol | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/interop-challenge-meeting-2017-01-11 | 14:12 |
| topol | werent you going to add something to that or did I misunderstand? | 14:12 |
| topol | anyway, we can figure that out offline | 14:13 |
| tongli | k. | 14:13 |
| topol | topol to add agenda item to discuss using coreos for k8s workload | 14:13 |
| topol | that was done | 14:13 |
| topol | topol to confirm exact PTG schedule time allocation with cdiep | 14:13 |
| topol | this is done as well. I updated #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/interop-challenge-meeting-2017-01-11 | 14:14 |
| topol | We get the RefStack room 1:30-5:00 on Tuesday :-) | 14:14 |
| topol | next item: | 14:15 |
| topol | all, please review patches #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/interop-workloads,n,z | 14:15 |
| dmellado | on the patches, tongli | 14:15 |
| dmellado | could you please test some ansible versions and upted my patch on the tox envs | 14:15 |
| dmellado | I really do think that having proper tox and maybe gates | 14:15 |
| dmellado | would be a must if we want to verify versions | 14:15 |
| dmellado | xD | 14:15 |
| topol | looks like #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409180/ is the only one that needs reviewed. Nice! | 14:16 |
| tongli | @dmellado, ok, I will try that. | 14:16 |
| topol | great thanks dmellado and tongli | 14:16 |
| tongli | @topol, yes, I reviewed zhipeng's summary patch. it just went in, I think. | 14:16 |
| dmellado | thanks tongli ! | 14:16 |
| topol | todays items | 14:16 |
| tongli | this one , we kind need confirmation on the versions of ansible and shade. | 14:16 |
| tongli | I will try few things. and add comments. | 14:17 |
| tongli | as an action. | 14:17 |
| topol | #action, tongli to try some thing on the patch | 14:17 |
| topol | #topic PTG Meeting Agenda and Logistics: | 14:18 |
| topol | Meeting Feb 21, Tuesday afternoon 1:30 - 5:00 RefStack room: | 14:18 |
| topol | Agenda and participant List: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/interop-challenge-meeting-2017-01-11 | 14:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG Meeting Agenda and Logistics: (Meeting topic: interop_challenge)" | 14:18 | |
| topol | 14:18 | |
| tongli | #action, tong will figure out versions of ansible and shade to be supported by lampstack workload | 14:18 |
| topol | okay thats been covered well enough. Look forward to seeing everyone! | 14:18 |
| topol | #topic China Chapter update | 14:18 |
| topol | tongli any updates? | 14:18 |
| topol | or none due to Chinese New Year? | 14:18 |
| tongli | no, they are on New Year vacation for two weeks. | 14:19 |
| tongli | they won't be back until after 2/15 | 14:19 |
| * topol easy agenda today :-0 | 14:19 | |
| topol | #topic updates from eeiden on nfv. | 14:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates from eeiden on nfv. (Meeting topic: interop_challenge)" | 14:19 | |
| topol | eeiden any updates on the NFV app? | 14:19 |
| topol | eeiden, still around? | 14:21 |
| zhipengh | one thing I might add on this topic, we could coordinate this with OPNFV testing folks | 14:21 |
| zhipengh | they have done plenty related work | 14:21 |
| topol | zhipengh, can you provide more details. This sounds interesting | 14:21 |
| gema | zhipengh: who are the "opnfv" testing folks? | 14:22 |
| eeiden | yes sorry! | 14:22 |
| dmellado | gema: that could be plenty | 14:22 |
| dmellado | OPNFV, just ODL, both? | 14:23 |
| zhipengh | so for example in OPNFV we first define scenarios, sth like "VM-2-VM traffic measurement for clearwater vIMS " | 14:23 |
| dmellado | I kinda think that going OPNFV goes a li'l bit out of the scope of OpenStack | 14:23 |
| zhipengh | with scenarios there will be test scripts developed | 14:23 |
| zhipengh | and testing projects will help feature projects to test out those scripts with workloads | 14:24 |
| zhipengh | gema meaning developers from Ericsson, Cisco, Huawei, great people | 14:24 |
| eeiden | No updates yet. OPNFV Danube release code freeze just completed so we should be good very soon -- will check on it today | 14:24 |
| topol | i guess I would have to see what the code for the scenario looked like to see if it was in or out of scope | 14:25 |
| zhipengh | dmellado OPNFV, which includes ODL integration with OpenStack | 14:25 |
| dmellado | zhipengh: I know, but just pointing at it | 14:25 |
| zhipengh | topol we could pick those scenarios that involved OpenStack | 14:25 |
| gema | topol: we also need to understand what APIs are we targetting here | 14:25 |
| gema | topol: if they are outside of the scope of openstack then the use case is not what we need | 14:25 |
| dmellado | zhipengh: that's exactly why I do say that's going over the boundaries | 14:25 |
| dmellado | there are a couple of OPNFV installers, such as apex | 14:26 |
| markvoelker_ | FWIW, the Interop WG will be having some discussions with OPNFV folks in the near future anyway regarding a possible "OpenStack Powered NFV" program (this is not committed yet, just an idea we're working up). | 14:26 |
| dmellado | but not every vendor would have OPNFV | 14:26 |
| dmellado | if we all agree on adding such scenario, fine | 14:26 |
| dmellado | but that've to be first agreed | 14:26 |
| topol | gema. I agree. I guess I'm waiting to see some NFV workloads to review. Between China Chapter, eeiden do we have anyting close to pushing a patch to review? | 14:26 |
| dmellado | that'd be a good start | 14:26 |
| markvoelker_ | If vertical programs like this do come into existence, it seems quite reasonable to coordinate an interop challenge for them too. | 14:27 |
| topol | markvoelker_ +++ | 14:27 |
| zhipengh | dmellado we could just don't use non-OpenStack related test cases | 14:27 |
| topol | its sounds like an interesting discussion. But until a patch shows up.... :-) | 14:28 |
| dmellado | zhipengh: I was mainly wondering about for example | 14:28 |
| markvoelker_ | We will likely at least have some hallway track discussion on this (if not something more formal) at the PTG for folks who are interested. I'll keep you all advised as we figure out scheduling. =) | 14:28 |
| topol | markvoelker_ I am okay with it being on our agenda. Anyone is free to add to the agenda | 14:29 |
| zhipengh | dmellado :) | 14:29 |
| dmellado | zhipengh: my main 'concern' is for example | 14:29 |
| dmellado | the different behaviour between plain neutron | 14:29 |
| dmellado | and neutron+odl | 14:29 |
| dmellado | I'd see that as something as what markvoelker_ said, something along the lines on an extensions from the interop | 14:30 |
| dmellado | but let's wait to see some actual patch ;) | 14:30 |
| zhipengh | agree | 14:30 |
| topol | dmellado. makes sense! | 14:30 |
| topol | eeiden, any updates on your NFV workload? | 14:31 |
| eeiden | No, so sorry. Will keep you all posted as soon as I have something. | 14:32 |
| tongli | @dmellado, exactly, code talks. | 14:32 |
| tongli | I like to see some patches from anyone, | 14:32 |
| topol | tongli+++ | 14:32 |
| topol | K next topic | 14:32 |
| topol | #topic open discussion | 14:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: interop_challenge)" | 14:32 | |
| tongli | @topol, I added one item | 14:33 |
| topol | anything else for today? any updates on k8s workload? | 14:33 |
| dmellado | topol: I was wondering if ther's any plan for the Boston summit, I guess we'll get to talk about that at the PTG | 14:33 |
| tongli | @topol, I have been working on it. but as you may have expected, the networking part is quite difficult. | 14:33 |
| gema | topol: are we going to be doing something in Boston related to interop ? present something? I need to decide whether I need to be there | 14:33 |
| dmellado | but would the idea be to repeat the keynote? | 14:33 |
| dmellado | we might need a bigger stage, though xD | 14:34 |
| tongli | I would like to ask the folks, for the workload, what kind of networking configuration we like to have for the k8s workload. | 14:34 |
| topol | #topic Any preference for networking choice for kubernetes workload? | 14:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Any preference for networking choice for kubernetes workload? (Meeting topic: interop_challenge)" | 14:34 | |
| topol | dmellado, good question | 14:34 |
| topol | lets cove after tongli topic | 14:35 |
| topol | go ahead tongli | 14:35 |
| tongli | networking choice for k8s workload, what folks think? there are quite a lot options. | 14:35 |
| tongli | flat networking or overlay over overlay. | 14:35 |
| daniela_ebert | which options do you have in mind tongli? | 14:36 |
| tongli | I am thinking flat which seems to me to be more practical like how google does it. | 14:36 |
| dmellado | how to you plan to run the k8s workload? | 14:37 |
| dmellado | k8s over OpenStack? | 14:37 |
| dmellado | if so, it could even make sense to give kuryr a try | 14:37 |
| daniela_ebert | flat sounds less error-proune | 14:37 |
| tongli | flannal, is the overlay, since we are doing this on OpenStack, it will be overlay over overlay, | 14:37 |
| zhipengh | dmellado +1 | 14:37 |
| tongli | probably will not be a good choice for production. | 14:38 |
| topol | tongli what would be a good hoice for production? | 14:38 |
| markvoelker_ | From an interop perspective I think flat makes sense. Not a lot of productized kuryr yet. | 14:38 |
| tongli | @dmellado, the workload will basically like this. | 14:38 |
| markvoelker_ | O-in-o with flannel would probably be fine too, but there are some downsides to that approach. | 14:38 |
| topol | markvoelker+++ | 14:38 |
| tongli | 1. provision few nodes (4 at first, configurable of course) | 14:39 |
| tongli | 2. install k8s mater and 3 worker nodes | 14:39 |
| tongli | 3. setup networking | 14:39 |
| tongli | 4. start some container apps. | 14:39 |
| tongli | 5. test they are all working | 14:39 |
| tongli | 6 (option), remove a node, make sure everything still work | 14:40 |
| topol | tongli I vagely recall a walk stage of a k8s app as well :-0 | 14:40 |
| dmellado | tongli: ack, thanks for the clarification | 14:40 |
| tongli | 7(option), add a node, | 14:40 |
| tongli | @dmellado, I think that is what I am thinking of doing now, basically k8s over openstack. | 14:41 |
| tongli | I do not know openstack over k8s will be something we should look into. but I am open. | 14:41 |
| topol | both use cases are interesting but my preference is k8s over openstack... ask me why | 14:42 |
| tongli | @topol, why brad? | 14:42 |
| topol | thanks tongli :-). I owe you. | 14:43 |
| dmellado | heh xD | 14:43 |
| topol | There are many folks in the container world who view OpenStack as not providing value to k8s. They say its too complicated, etc. | 14:43 |
| gema | topol: to be fair to them, I am still struggling to understand how this workout works | 14:44 |
| topol | I think we help OpenStack a lot if we show that k8s runs great on an OpenStack infrastructure | 14:44 |
| gema | workload, sorry | 14:44 |
| topol | gema at a high level I think of it as k8s using OpenStack as its cloud infrastructure | 14:45 |
| tongli | @gema, the problem is really the networking, what else can I say. | 14:45 |
| gema | topol: as the provider of what? | 14:45 |
| gema | containers? | 14:45 |
| gema | VMs? | 14:45 |
| zhipengh | k8s is growing way more complicated ... | 14:45 |
| gema | VMs with containers? | 14:45 |
| topol | Cause the alternative is k8s doesnt use OpenStack, rolls its own volume storage and virtual networking and claims OpenStack provides no value | 14:45 |
| tongli | k8s also started doing the networking plugins. | 14:45 |
| zhipengh | tongli storage is alsi a headache | 14:46 |
| zhipengh | also | 14:46 |
| dmellado | topol: +1 on k8s over OpenStack | 14:46 |
| topol | zhipengh you are correct. But I see two possible futures | 14:46 |
| topol | 1. K8s runs great on OpenStack and the projects are complementary | 14:46 |
| tongli | any way, I just want to get a feel on how people thinking about networking choice for our workload. | 14:47 |
| topol | 2. k8s becomes frustrated with trying to make OpenStack work and reinvents all our wheels | 14:47 |
| topol | which future do we want? | 14:47 |
| tongli | most likely that the workload will need OpenStack tenant network. | 14:47 |
| topol | tongli, that is up to us to show the way forward? Does that make sense? | 14:48 |
| * gema wonders how topol and tongli's private meetings look like, each one of them following their own train of thought x) | 14:48 | |
| zhipengh | tongli volumes are a mess atm | 14:48 |
| tongli | @topol, understand. | 14:48 |
| gema | zhipengh: what does that mean? | 14:48 |
| zhipengh | topol i doubt they could do 2 tbh | 14:48 |
| topol | gema how so? the meetings usually end up with me taking tongli to lunch and he forgets is wallet (not last time though, he paid) | 14:48 |
| gema | haha | 14:49 |
| tongli | @topol, haha. | 14:49 |
| zhipengh | gema k8s has a volume plugin mechanism, but the in-tree and out-of-tree are still up to debate | 14:49 |
| tongli | because I was so focused on my work. | 14:49 |
| topol | on a serious note, if this group doesnt show k8s running great on OpenStack, who else would? | 14:49 |
| zhipengh | anyways OpenStack could do a lot as a cloudprovider for k8s | 14:49 |
| zhipengh | topol agree | 14:49 |
| topol | I have been to kubecon, OpenStack does not get high praise fromt hat community.. | 14:50 |
| tongli | ok, guys, I did not want to start a meeting to talk about which is better, just want to know the preference of networking for our k8s workload. | 14:50 |
| tongli | I will go with the flat for now and see how it goes. | 14:50 |
| topol | so that's why I think we help OpenStack if we do k8s over OpenStack as the focus | 14:50 |
| gema | tongli: sorry I was only able to follow topol's meeting line | 14:50 |
| topol | sorry tongli go ahead | 14:51 |
| dmellado | tongli: on that, I guess we can go for flat first, and then let's see if we can get to flannel if everything works ok | 14:51 |
| topol | any concerns with going flat first? | 14:51 |
| gema | nope, sounds easier | 14:52 |
| tongli | @dmellado, that is what I am thinking as well, since this is a bit sensitive to our various network implementation from many different cloud. | 14:52 |
| tongli | I know some of the folks do not have tenant network. | 14:52 |
| topol | #agreed k8s workload will use flat networking first | 14:53 |
| topol | ok 7 mins left | 14:53 |
| tongli | I forgot which cloud, but at least there were two clouds do not support tenant network. | 14:53 |
| gema | tongli: is this how we use it: https://kubernetes.io/docs/getting-started-guides/openstack-heat/ ? | 14:53 |
| tongli | @gema, can not use heat | 14:53 |
| gema | is the heat api the right one for this? | 14:53 |
| tongli | most clouds do not have it on. | 14:54 |
| gema | oh, so we are ahead of ourselves, ok | 14:54 |
| dmellado | gema: depending on what we want to do | 14:54 |
| topol | #topic plans for Boston | 14:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "plans for Boston (Meeting topic: interop_challenge)" | 14:54 | |
| dmellado | I guess we can switch heat for ansible as an orchestrator | 14:54 |
| gema | dmellado: ok, I will listen to you guys, you have tried it | 14:54 |
| gema | go ahead topol | 14:55 |
| topol | So I havent thought about trying to getback on the keynote stage for Boston. It was a lot of pressure and my fear was we'd go back into make things work and lock them down | 14:55 |
| topol | as opposed to having less pressure to make progress on interop with the workloads | 14:56 |
| topol | mark voelker, tongli, and I are submitting a session to do an update on phase two | 14:56 |
| gema | plus it wouldn't be as impressive anymore since we've done it once? | 14:56 |
| gema | ok | 14:57 |
| topol | gema. yes not as much to gain because that day in Barcelona was magical | 14:57 |
| tongli | @gema, unless something very different and as exciting as what we did last time. | 14:57 |
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| dmellado | maybe some kind of workshop | 14:57 |
| dmellado | i mean, a session showing how do we run the workloads on the clouds | 14:57 |
| topol | But I think a workshop session would be awesome to submit | 14:57 |
| zhipengh | Forum ? | 14:57 |
| topol | dmellado +++ | 14:57 |
| dmellado | where any dev from any cloud might join | 14:57 |
| topol | zhipengh, I think Anni Lai from Huawei is trying to put together a panel too | 14:58 |
| dmellado | I'll try to put something as a session before the deadline | 14:58 |
| tongli | @topol, I like workshop a lot. | 14:58 |
| dmellado | when was it, Feb 6th? | 14:58 |
| topol | dmellado please put a session together. Include some other folks if you dont mind | 14:59 |
| topol | dmellado, yes Feb 6th is the deadline | 14:59 |
| dmellado | sure, is there anyone around who sould like to co-present? | 14:59 |
| dmellado | gema: hogepodge luzC ? | 14:59 |
| dmellado | anyone ? | 14:59 |
| topol | dmellado want me to voluntold tongli? | 15:00 |
| markvoelker_ | I can probably help with that | 15:00 |
| gema | I would love to, but I am not sure I am going to be there x D | 15:00 |
| daniela_ebert | I could help with that dmellado | 15:00 |
| topol | daniela_bert, very nice | 15:00 |
| tongli | I can help with workshop sessions. | 15:00 |
| dmellado | cool, then IIRC there's a max of 3 presenters | 15:00 |
| dmellado | let me check | 15:00 |
| luzC | yes, o/ | 15:01 |
| topol | would be nice to get as many folks visibility as we can | 15:01 |
| dmellado | tongli: markvoelker_ tongli | 15:01 |
| dmellado | if you guys are doing the another session | 15:01 |
| dmellado | I'll put daniela_ebert and luzC along | 15:01 |
| dmellado | would that work for you guys? | 15:02 |
| dmellado | we can all together work on the workshop in any case | 15:02 |
| topol | dmellado that makes sense to me | 15:02 |
| topol | everyone okay with that? | 15:02 |
| tongli | we ran out the time. | 15:02 |
| dmellado | yep | 15:03 |
| daniela_ebert | fine with me :-) | 15:03 |
| dmellado | daniela_ebert: luzC I'll put a brief description and add you as co-presenters so you can edit it | 15:03 |
| dmellado | tomorrow morning my time ;) | 15:03 |
| topol | k ping folks on irc if any concerns | 15:03 |
| topol | #endmeeting | 15:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 1 15:03:33 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interop_challenge/2017/interop_challenge.2017-02-01-14.00.html | 15:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interop_challenge/2017/interop_challenge.2017-02-01-14.00.txt | 15:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interop_challenge/2017/interop_challenge.2017-02-01-14.00.log.html | 15:03 |
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| hogepodge | dmellado: you can add me to anything. I'm pretty much afk for this week, but can talk more Monday. | 17:10 |
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