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| srwilkers | #startmeeting OpenStack-Helm | 15:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 13 15:02:56 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is srwilkers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack-Helm)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_helm' | 15:03 |
| srwilkers | hey good morning everyone | 15:03 |
| srwilkers | thanks for joining | 15:03 |
| v1k0d3n | o/ | 15:03 |
| alraddarla | o/ | 15:03 |
| serverascode | o/ | 15:03 |
| gardlt | o/ | 15:03 |
| dulek | o/ | 15:03 |
| lrensing | o/ | 15:04 |
| srwilkers | i don't think we have a lot on the agenda for this meeting, so there are a few items i wanted to touch one, then we can open up the floor and discuss any topics you'd like to raise | 15:04 |
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| lamt | o/ | 15:04 |
| alanmeadows | \o | 15:04 |
| v1k0d3n | alanmeadows: just have to be different with that right-handed wave. | 15:05 |
| srwilkers | look at alanmeadows, leading change | 15:05 |
| srwilkers | first thing i wanted to chat about was our list of bugs on launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-helm | 15:05 |
| srwilkers | ive seen a few questions pop up on IRC over the last week about some weird behavior, and i'd like to see those end up in either confirming a bug's existence thats listed or filing a new one if appropriate | 15:06 |
| v1k0d3n | it's because his brain is abnorally large on the left side (engineering/science) that he can't raise his left arm. | 15:06 |
| srwilkers | haha | 15:06 |
| alanmeadows | im virtually ambidextrous | 15:07 |
| v1k0d3n | leakypipes would appreciate that one. | 15:07 |
| alanmeadows | srwilkers: I think the list is a good start, I think at the moment it is unrepresentative of the known issues | 15:08 |
| srwilkers | alanmeadows, agreed | 15:08 |
| v1k0d3n | +1 | 15:08 |
| alanmeadows | srwilkers: is the call to action to encourage those reporting them in IRC to go create bugs, or a call to action for regulars to fill those out for them? | 15:09 |
| srwilkers | the call to action is for anyone reporting behavior they expect is a bug should file a bug in launchpad | 15:09 |
| alanmeadows | I'm wondering, do we have a creating a bug report documentation page, where we educate potentially new users the information we're after -- similar to the old github templates asking for versions of this that and others | 15:09 |
| srwilkers | the drivers team should then triage it and verify it's an issue and prioritize it | 15:10 |
| alanmeadows | I will admit I haven't gone through the process yet to see what information launchpad asks for | 15:10 |
| alanmeadows | for this project | 15:10 |
| lrensing | i don't think we do alanmeadows | 15:10 |
| v1k0d3n | docs need this alanmeadows | 15:10 |
| srwilkers | alanmeadows, i believe there's openstack documentation for filing bugs or issues, let me check | 15:10 |
| v1k0d3n | docs need love in general, but this would be a good first step | 15:11 |
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| srwilkers | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Bugs#Reporting is a good spot to start, albeit the links are for the core projects | 15:11 |
| srwilkers | but we can also provide a tl;dr for filing bugs | 15:11 |
| alanmeadows | sure, but likely we want details such as kubernetes versions, kubelet versions | 15:12 |
| alanmeadows | perhaps offering and suggesting something similar to the gate "dump it all" scripts | 15:13 |
| portdirect | ++ | 15:13 |
| srwilkers | that sounds reasonable to me | 15:13 |
| portdirect | that would be great - for the gate env we have pretty much everything clocked down, bar docker that i can think of - but a summary report would really help there | 15:14 |
| alanmeadows | so when someone creates a bug report that says mariadb fails to come up, but from the dump its clear their PVC backend is hosed, we know what we're dealing with | 15:14 |
| srwilkers | yeah, that helps reduce the overhead associated with triaging and trying to pin down exactly where the issues may have started. | 15:15 |
| lrensing | ++ | 15:15 |
| alanmeadows | so the take away would be a document describing the details we need, directing them to a net-new script (some modified version of gate dump) where they can attach a debug payload | 15:17 |
| portdirect | ok - all we need is a quick doc that tells you to set/export LOGS_DIR before running the log dump script | 15:17 |
| portdirect | where they attach the payload is anther question though :D | 15:17 |
| srwilkers | portdirect, alanmeadows yep. i think it's reasonable to get that done fairly quickly | 15:17 |
| srwilkers | portdirect, ill let you take it from here for a bit | 15:18 |
| srwilkers | im off to another meeting | 15:18 |
| * portdirect glares around room | 15:18 | |
| portdirect | suppose we should also discuss blueprints? | 15:19 |
| portdirect | ideally we should try and link the work we are doing against them (and I know I'm prob the worst at doing that...) | 15:19 |
| portdirect | i know srwilkers has also been taking to infra about getting the link between launchpad and gerrit running smooth | 15:20 |
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| lrensing | yeah we need to be more diligent about referencing blueprints in our patchsets | 15:21 |
| portdirect | I think perhaps we should come to some agreement about what needs a bp | 15:21 |
| alanmeadows | to be clear, part of the problem is not only linking | 15:21 |
| alanmeadows | the bp to link to is missing as well | 15:21 |
| lrensing | most definitely alanmeadows | 15:21 |
| portdirect | :) | 15:21 |
| portdirect | so, if its a new feature it needs a bp (i think we can all agree here) | 15:22 |
| lrensing | but to pete's point, how do we determine the scope required for a bp | 15:22 |
| lrensing | yes | 15:22 |
| portdirect | if its a change that is requires as k8s/helm etc change, we should prob make a blueprint in the form of say (bp: support helm 2.4) | 15:23 |
| portdirect | which may touch on sveral charts/areas | 15:23 |
| dulek | I guess any new feature needs a blueprint that will explain the motivation. | 15:23 |
| dulek | Fixes and minor refactors won't need blueprints. | 15:24 |
| portdirect | agreed | 15:24 |
| dulek | I think that's the simplest classification you can get. | 15:24 |
| dulek | And in doubt - ask the core team. :) | 15:24 |
| lrensing | right - to that i'd like to say that project-wide refactors should be given more attention (maybe a bp?) | 15:24 |
| dulek | lrensing: Totally. :) | 15:24 |
| portdirect | yeah - as they would need to be justified | 15:25 |
| alanmeadows | so the list of what doesn't need a bp is "cleanup" refactors focused on a specific chart, and bugs (which are a separate thing) | 15:25 |
| portdirect | ++ | 15:25 |
| lrensing | yes | 15:25 |
| portdirect | well that seemed easy :) | 15:25 |
| lrensing | what about documentation and blueprints | 15:25 |
| portdirect | so shall we try and enforce, no merge unless we have met this criteria? | 15:25 |
| portdirect | i think when approving the pb, it should require that it includes docs/tests as part of the scope as required | 15:26 |
| alanmeadows | that is talking about the bottom layer, we haven't discussed the workflow operations of blueprints themselves which at this moment do not appear to be exercised | 15:26 |
| alanmeadows | accepted, assigned, so on | 15:26 |
| portdirect | so its not marked as compete until thats done | 15:26 |
| alanmeadows | not only must a bp exist, but it should be accepted to merge commits from | 15:26 |
| alanmeadows | if a traditional workflow is being followed | 15:27 |
| portdirect | good point, at the moment most people seem to be creating and self approving | 15:27 |
| lrensing | yeah alanmeadows we're getting ahead of ourselves slightly :) | 15:27 |
| alanmeadows | there needs to be a bp grooming process | 15:27 |
| alanmeadows | its basically roadmap enforcement | 15:27 |
| alanmeadows | at the bp level | 15:27 |
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| alanmeadows | and so sorry for mentioning the word grooming | 15:28 |
| portdirect | right - so should we make this part of the meeting - a section for bp reviews | 15:28 |
| lrensing | i am fine with that | 15:29 |
| lrensing | if it becomes too much of a timesink we can address it then | 15:29 |
| portdirect | ok - so this week - can we go over all the existing bp's and get them in shape? | 15:30 |
| portdirect | theres 24 currently so not too much of a task for a quick vetting: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-helm | 15:31 |
| portdirect | and then we should create pb's for all the appropriate ps's we have in flight (probably mostly looking at myself here...) | 15:31 |
| alanmeadows | you are the root of many issues | 15:32 |
| lrensing | let's dive into it then | 15:32 |
| portdirect | nice - dulek would be great to get your input on the ones out there as well | 15:34 |
| dulek | portdirect: Sure thing, although I don't think I'll be opposed to any of the BP. | 15:35 |
| portdirect | we done on this topic for now? | 15:35 |
| portdirect | ok - so I've got one more thing I want to mention | 15:37 |
| portdirect | I'm hoping that we should have a ceph based deploy running in the three node check by eod | 15:37 |
| portdirect | ^^ I'll even make a bp for it :D | 15:37 |
| lrensing | i'll hold you to it portdirect | 15:38 |
| dulek | \o/ | 15:38 |
| alraddarla | lolz | 15:38 |
| portdirect | and would really like to get the linter moving to a voting gate - as its been very stable | 15:38 |
| portdirect | so - with that I've run out of steam :) | 15:39 |
| alanmeadows | https://cdn.meme.am/instances/400x/55368412.jpg | 15:39 |
| portdirect | any other things people would like to bring up | 15:39 |
| portdirect | you knows it alanmeadows :) | 15:39 |
| serverascode | I was wondering if there is anything obvious for a newb to work on | 15:39 |
| portdirect | serverascode: theres a lot of potential areas :) and it would be awesome to get more hands on the deck. docs are an obvious 1st place (as most of us are too deep int the woods to offer a proper outside perspective) | 15:41 |
| portdirect | but do you have any areas that interest you or you've worked on before? | 15:42 |
| serverascode | no not particularly, but I can poke around at docs and see if there is anything I can contribute there | 15:42 |
| portdirect | off the top of my head, getting assiatnce expanding the 'helm test' stuff from glance and keystone to other charts would be super valuble | 15:42 |
| serverascode | ok, I can take a look into that as well | 15:43 |
| alanmeadows | what is the mandate for things exercised in these rally launched tests | 15:44 |
| alanmeadows | What is a test that is "too long" | 15:44 |
| alanmeadows | or "overkill" | 15:44 |
| alanmeadows | how are the ones there chosen | 15:45 |
| portdirect | there is a default timeout of 300s in helm for the enire test to run | 15:45 |
| alanmeadows | and how would someone else examine a list to do their own choosing | 15:45 |
| alanmeadows | of candidates for inclusion | 15:45 |
| portdirect | the ones chosen (to date) have been those that exercise only that service and any immediate dependencies | 15:46 |
| portdirect | as we should have a sperate rally chart that does comprehestive testing | 15:46 |
| portdirect | jayahn has a pb for tempest based tests | 15:46 |
| portdirect | personally I'd like to see: rally (driving tempest) where possible, falling back to tempest when not, and finally basic functioal tests via the cli when even thats not avalible for a service | 15:47 |
| alanmeadows | yes but to the point serverascode is asking, how would a new entrant build such a list for another chart, say nova | 15:48 |
| alanmeadows | the framework is clear, the process foe electing tests to go into the rally yaml, not so clear | 15:48 |
| portdirect | ah - i see your point | 15:48 |
| portdirect | a good set of tests can be obtained from here for a service: https://github.com/openstack/rally/tree/0.8.1/samples/tasks/scenarios/nova | 15:49 |
| alanmeadows | that was where I was going | 15:49 |
| portdirect | and some judgement will be needed, as for example this: https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/0.8.1/samples/tasks/scenarios/nova/create-and-delete-network.yaml | 15:49 |
| portdirect | would not be approprate as it rely on novanetwork being used | 15:50 |
| portdirect | also I've been setting the runner and sla to just exercise the service, not make it sweat: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-helm/blob/master/keystone/templates/etc/_rally_tests.yaml.tpl#L7-L13 | 15:51 |
| portdirect | ^^ and theres a terminology oxymoron :) | 15:51 |
| alanmeadows | I sense a need for the test framework to have some documentation including these details | 15:51 |
| alanmeadows | otherwise contributions on this front will be challenging, and we need contributions here | 15:52 |
| portdirect | right - I'll put together a doc asap | 15:53 |
| * portdirect mumbles about being caught by his own edicts | 15:53 | |
| alanmeadows | :) | 15:53 |
| lrensing | anything else to discuss? i think we covered the big points | 15:54 |
| portdirect | I'm good | 15:54 |
| lrensing | otherwise i think we can wrap this up | 15:54 |
| alraddarla | \o | 15:55 |
| portdirect | cool - so we good to close up? | 15:56 |
| srwilkers | #endmeeting OpenStack-Helm | 15:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 13 15:57:05 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2017/openstack_helm.2017-06-13-15.02.html | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2017/openstack_helm.2017-06-13-15.02.txt | 15:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2017/openstack_helm.2017-06-13-15.02.log.html | 15:57 |
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