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| srwilkers | #startmeeting openstack-helm | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 26 15:00:35 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is srwilkers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_helm' | 15:00 |
| portdirect | o/ | 15:00 |
| srwilkers | #topic roll-call | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll-call (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:00 | |
| srwilkers | o/ | 15:00 |
| srwilkers | \o/ | 15:00 |
| srwilkers | \o | 15:01 |
| portdirect | w00t for OSH ;) | 15:01 |
| * srwilkers looks around | 15:02 | |
| srwilkers | where's everyone else? | 15:02 |
| alanmeadows | \o | 15:03 |
| jayahn | o/ was sleeping..... need to wake up :) | 15:03 |
| srwilkers | hey jayahn :) | 15:04 |
| srwilkers | sorry we woke you, but glad you're here | 15:04 |
| v1k0d3n | o/ | 15:04 |
| srwilkers | let's get started -- we've got a full agenda | 15:04 |
| srwilkers | here's the agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2017-09-26 | 15:05 |
| srwilkers | #topic PTG Summary | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG Summary (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:05 | |
| srwilkers | it was great seeing everyone at the PTG last week | 15:05 |
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| jayahn | yeah. it was really good. :) | 15:06 |
| srwilkers | think we made a lot of progress in terms of paths forward and for cleaning up some stale work | 15:06 |
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| srwilkers | since we've got a full agenda -- it'd be awesome to get some feedback on this summary over the next few days and to provide any additions where necessary | 15:06 |
| srwilkers | and if there's anywhere you'd like to do some work, feel free to add your name to any sections, and we can revisit this summary next week | 15:07 |
| srwilkers | #action srwilkers follow up with summary etherpad action items next meeting | 15:07 |
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| lrensing | o/ | 15:08 |
| srwilkers | #topic kubernetes entrypoint namespace support | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "kubernetes entrypoint namespace support (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:08 | |
| srwilkers | hey lrensing o. | 15:08 |
| srwilkers | o/ | 15:08 |
| srwilkers | portdirect: you added this one | 15:08 |
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| srwilkers | seems the PR for adding support for namespaces in k8s entrypoint is here: https://github.com/stackanetes/kubernetes-entrypoint/pull/25 | 15:08 |
| portdirect | would be great to get some eyes on this | 15:09 |
| portdirect | and see if we can help them get it merged quickly | 15:10 |
| portdirect | as this will really unblock a lot of things for us | 15:10 |
| portdirect | not much more to say than that really :) | 15:10 |
| srwilkers | yeah, this would be great. i'll take a look at it and provide some feedback | 15:11 |
| srwilkers | anything else on this topic? | 15:12 |
| srwilkers | moving on then | 15:12 |
| srwilkers | #topic NFS in OSH | 15:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "NFS in OSH (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:12 | |
| portdirect | so theres been some bit-rot in the nfs based deployment for dev | 15:13 |
| portdirect | I was wondering if we wanted to contunue support for it, and if so do it properly | 15:13 |
| portdirect | v1k0d3n: i think you have guys on this? | 15:13 |
| v1k0d3n | we had it in terms of repairing it for the gate. :) | 15:14 |
| v1k0d3n | chart work is a bit of a new request albeit not hard. | 15:14 |
| portdirect | nice - we dont have a gate for nfs atm - so getting one would be great :) | 15:14 |
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| portdirect | I think that to do it properly it would need to be a chart rather than the static manifests we have atm | 15:15 |
| v1k0d3n | sorry misspoke nfs in general. | 15:15 |
| v1k0d3n | would we be willing to accept the nfs cleanup before starting on the chart work? | 15:15 |
| portdirect | wfm | 15:15 |
| v1k0d3n | because if yes, than i think sean has this already. | 15:15 |
| v1k0d3n | sean? | 15:15 |
| srwilkers | v1k0d3n: yep. im all for that | 15:15 |
| v1k0d3n | ok, well that works. this morning i was thinking chart was being asked for instead of the repair work. this works perfectly for us then. | 15:16 |
| srwilkers | i'd really like to see an NFS chart for some of the services i've been playing with, as ceph backing things like elasticsearch makes me :( | 15:16 |
| slarimore02 | yeah I have the fixes for a gate ready to go and will submit a PS today | 15:16 |
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| portdirect | nice - cheers slarimore02 | 15:17 |
| lrensing | nfs chart sounds like a good idea | 15:17 |
| srwilkers | yeah, just a misunderstanding. triaging any issues with the gates, NFS or otherwise, is always higher priority :) | 15:17 |
| v1k0d3n | perfect. then we can work with tyson to get the chart work completed. | 15:17 |
| srwilkers | awesome | 15:17 |
| v1k0d3n | ok...great to know. thanks guys/gals. :) | 15:17 |
| srwilkers | anything else on this topic? | 15:17 |
| v1k0d3n | we're good on our side. | 15:17 |
| v1k0d3n | thanks @portdirect | 15:18 |
| srwilkers | #topic oslo-genconfig hack removed | 15:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslo-genconfig hack removed (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:18 | |
| portdirect | wanted to say thanks to everyone for getting reviews on this | 15:18 |
| portdirect | was a big change, but went through very smooth | 15:18 |
| v1k0d3n | +1 | 15:19 |
| portdirect | only one ps left and i think its all done | 15:19 |
| portdirect | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507293/ | 15:19 |
| v1k0d3n | the ps from yesterday portdirect ? i had a good look yesterday, just needed to ++ it. | 15:19 |
| srwilkers | im personally glad to see it gone | 15:19 |
| v1k0d3n | yes, very creative way to remove it. | 15:19 |
| portdirect | yeah (to both of you ;) ) | 15:19 |
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| portdirect | just took the work dulek did, and added multstring support | 15:20 |
| portdirect | so credit to him | 15:20 |
| srwilkers | the hero we need | 15:20 |
| v1k0d3n | that dulek...sharp guy :) | 15:20 |
| srwilkers | anything else on this topic? | 15:21 |
| portdirect | nah - with the fix for the armada gate merged I'm good | 15:21 |
| srwilkers | nice | 15:21 |
| v1k0d3n | done | 15:21 |
| srwilkers | #topic docker version support | 15:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "docker version support (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:21 | |
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| portdirect | ohh - I'm on a roll | 15:21 |
| portdirect | so as in the etherpad, k8s 1.7 does some dif things with docker 1.13 and above | 15:21 |
| portdirect | it shares the pid namespaces in a pod | 15:22 |
| portdirect | this means that the pause container had pid 1 | 15:22 |
| portdirect | *has | 15:22 |
| portdirect | so systemd (other than centos afaik) is kinda broke | 15:22 |
| portdirect | and the rabbitmq liveliness probes as well | 15:22 |
| portdirect | the rabbitmq stuff really needs fixed, as they are pretty cray | 15:23 |
| portdirect | but the systemd support (for things like maas) is a bigger issue | 15:23 |
| portdirect | so what should we do? | 15:23 |
| portdirect | say 1.13 is not supported on k8s 1.7? or work to make it work? | 15:23 |
| v1k0d3n | https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/pull/45236 i believe. | 15:24 |
| portdirect | thats the one | 15:24 |
| portdirect | they are rolling it back in 1.8 | 15:24 |
| portdirect | by making it optional | 15:24 |
| v1k0d3n | it's not optional at all in 1.7? | 15:24 |
| srwilkers | honestly, id rather say 1.13 isn't supported and wait for 1.8. i think there's more pressing work that needs to be done right now | 15:25 |
| portdirect | nope | 15:25 |
| srwilkers | but thats my opinion | 15:25 |
| lrensing | i’d vote for just saying 1.13 isnt supported also srwilkers | 15:25 |
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| v1k0d3n | +1 definitely | 15:25 |
| jayahn | +1 | 15:25 |
| portdirect | thats my pref as well | 15:25 |
| srwilkers | there's some work id like to see done with rabbitmq first before we touch anything else | 15:25 |
| lamt | portdirect : I tried to dnf install docker (not latest), and I think it is still pulling 1.13 | 15:25 |
| v1k0d3n | easier. let's us continue with 1.7 | 15:26 |
| portdirect | I'll get the docs updates as part of this ps then: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507305/ | 15:26 |
| srwilkers | yep | 15:26 |
| v1k0d3n | that works portdirect | 15:26 |
| portdirect | lamt: hmm for me on f26 it was 1.12 but we can pit it if needed :/ | 15:26 |
| portdirect | *pin | 15:26 |
| lamt | if you can - that would be great | 15:27 |
| srwilkers | seems we have consensus here then. anything else/ | 15:27 |
| lamt | that or my f26 is doing something weird | 15:27 |
| portdirect | I've seen a lot of crazyness in the infra mirrors on it as well | 15:27 |
| portdirect | so - TLS? | 15:28 |
| srwilkers | #topic TLS | 15:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "TLS (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:28 | |
| portdirect | so this is a long pole - but would be good to get some people thinking about it | 15:29 |
| portdirect | I'd really like to see internal tls supported ootb in osh | 15:29 |
| portdirect | though this gets tricky - as though its very easy to provide support for a opinionated deployment | 15:30 |
| portdirect | turns out theres a lot of opinions about the best way to manage certs | 15:30 |
| portdirect | one thing i do see as being a requirement - is having something fronting the openstack apis | 15:30 |
| portdirect | to perform termination | 15:31 |
| portdirect | this is done in kolla-k8s very well | 15:31 |
| portdirect | and I think it would make sense to follow their pattern of having a sidecar doing that function | 15:32 |
| v1k0d3n | man, i hate to say this for fear of getting flamed...but is this a good place for a spec proposal? | 15:32 |
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| v1k0d3n | this is a touchy one | 15:32 |
| portdirect | though this leavs the big issue of how certs get to pods | 15:32 |
| portdirect | its exectly what Im about to propose | 15:32 |
| portdirect | :) | 15:32 |
| srwilkers | v1k0d3n: yep. | 15:32 |
| v1k0d3n | awesome. good deal. | 15:32 |
| portdirect | but would be great to get some initial ideas for the direction that i should go in | 15:33 |
| portdirect | so - any thoughts? | 15:33 |
| portdirect | in the etherpad I outlineed two approaches i see as viable (but I'm sure there are many more) | 15:33 |
| portdirect | 1) an init container that reqests a cert | 15:34 |
| portdirect | 2) just use secrets (wildcards) and make it the deployers problem to get/manage them | 15:34 |
| srwilkers | id prefer the spec lays out the options mentioned, and outlines the pros/cons/considerations for each | 15:35 |
| srwilkers | then we can just iterate from there and remove what doesnt make sense as we go | 15:35 |
| srwilkers | bceause honestly | 15:35 |
| srwilkers | i dont know where to suggest to start | 15:35 |
| portdirect | cool - damn, hoped i was gonna get to kull some early | 15:35 |
| srwilkers | nope | 15:35 |
| srwilkers | #action portdirect to draft spec for handling TLS | 15:36 |
| portdirect | :P | 15:36 |
| srwilkers | anything else here? | 15:36 |
| v1k0d3n | any thought on providing certs via letsencrypt? | 15:36 |
| portdirect | I can put that in for sure | 15:36 |
| portdirect | though it would be ahrd to get the required number of certs from them | 15:37 |
| v1k0d3n | yeah :( | 15:37 |
| portdirect | for public (external) they would be great - though there is an upstream chart that does this quite well afaik | 15:37 |
| v1k0d3n | would be interesting to hear how some big orgs do this today. some may have policies that all certs need to be signed by a known entity. | 15:37 |
| jayahn | surely | 15:38 |
| v1k0d3n | i know AT&T used to be that way. not sure how things are done specifically for groups like AIC or SKT (even Charter for that matter...i'd have to find out). | 15:38 |
| portdirect | yeah - we ant doing any self signed and 0 validation hackery thats for sure | 15:38 |
| v1k0d3n | total pain :( like you said...the subject is deep. | 15:38 |
| v1k0d3n | yeah, that's what i figured. | 15:39 |
| srwilkers | sounds like considerations to include and discuss in the spec ;) | 15:40 |
| srwilkers | anything else on this topic? i bet jayahn is excited to talk about SONA :) | 15:40 |
| v1k0d3n | i'm good. added the placeholder. | 15:41 |
| srwilkers | #topic SONA integration | 15:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "SONA integration (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:41 | |
| srwilkers | jayahn: all you :) | 15:41 |
| jayahn | not much :) it is on-going work as described in the etherpad | 15:41 |
| jayahn | had two questions which all resoved from the comment there. :) | 15:42 |
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| jayahn | especially, with upcoming sona chart on openstack-helm-infra, we will work on providing 3rd party gating. | 15:42 |
| jayahn | and I needed to get an official approval on that. :) | 15:43 |
| portdirect | thats awesome jayahn | 15:43 |
| portdirect | the ps you have in for neutron looks very close to ready | 15:43 |
| jayahn | i got your comments, we will try to finish this ps asap. | 15:44 |
| portdirect | The other thing I'll add - though tangental is that I;m reworking the kubeadm container at the moment | 15:44 |
| portdirect | I'm hoping that we can get to making all the gates voting within a month | 15:44 |
| jayahn | i got your comments, we will try to finish this ps asap. | 15:45 |
| jayahn | ah, great! lots of voting machines will come. | 15:45 |
| jayahn | we can move on to the next topic. | 15:46 |
| srwilkers | #topic fluent-logging | 15:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "fluent-logging (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:46 | |
| jayahn | i submitted spec for fluent-bit & fluentd logging & chart for that. | 15:47 |
| srwilkers | spec looks good jayahn :) | 15:47 |
| srwilkers | also been looking at the work in flight | 15:47 |
| jayahn | we will remove WIP tag soon. pls provide your reviews on this. | 15:47 |
| jayahn | one question here, ps includes both fluent-bit and fluentd. for now, we think this is okay. | 15:48 |
| jayahn | however, since we also have fluentd standalone chart, want to know if we want to do further effort to combine fluentd chart into one | 15:49 |
| srwilkers | your approach here makes the most sense. i think this would make the current fluentd chart obsolete, and i think that's okay | 15:49 |
| jayahn | the current one does not have capability to run "fluentd" as standalone daemonset w/o fluent-bit. | 15:50 |
| jayahn | there are two use cases, 1) just use fluentd as agent 2) use fluent-bit as agent, and fluentd as server(aggregator) | 15:50 |
| srwilkers | i think option 2 is more sane to be honest | 15:51 |
| srwilkers | as that's the typical use ive seen the more ive dug into how others are using it | 15:51 |
| srwilkers | especially as we look at larger deployments, the smaller footprint for fluent-bit makes me happy | 15:51 |
| jayahn | okay. :) | 15:51 |
| srwilkers | plus i like that fluent-bit includes the popular plugins by default | 15:52 |
| srwilkers | im good here. anything else to add jayahn ? :) | 15:52 |
| jayahn | nope. i am also good | 15:52 |
| srwilkers | #topic cinder-backup | 15:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "cinder-backup (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:53 | |
| srwilkers | nice, it's merged | 15:53 |
| srwilkers | glad it's working jayahn | 15:53 |
| jayahn | ah, this is just simple question from me, since cinder-backup was brought up on ptg meeting | 15:53 |
| jayahn | let us know if you find any issue on cinder-backup. | 15:54 |
| srwilkers | sounds good | 15:54 |
| srwilkers | will do | 15:54 |
| portdirect | roger - we should also enable it in the horizon config | 15:54 |
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| srwilkers | #topic OSH-infra/addons gates | 15:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OSH-infra/addons gates (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:54 | |
| srwilkers | so lamt is working on getting zuul cloner set up appropriately so we can start gating addons/infra better | 15:54 |
| srwilkers | as im starting to run into issues testing prometheus exporters, as the services they're monitoring live in OSH proper currently | 15:55 |
| portdirect | yeah - along with the updates to kubeadm-aio I'm hoping that we can get the gates running well across all three repos by the end of next week | 15:56 |
| srwilkers | but right before the meeting, i've now got prometheus running with exporters for: ceph, rabbitmq, mysql, and cadvisor | 15:56 |
| srwilkers | and they're functional :D | 15:56 |
| portdirect | nice :) | 15:56 |
| jayahn | great! | 15:56 |
| srwilkers | #topic open discussion | 15:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:56 | |
| srwilkers | i'll make this one quick | 15:56 |
| srwilkers | i had a question regarding our weekly meeting -- it seems there was an email thread about teams being able to now host weekly meetings in the project channels | 15:57 |
| srwilkers | i think it'd be great to start hosting our meeting in #openstack-helm, so anyone who misses it can read the scrollback | 15:57 |
| srwilkers | without needing to be mindful of the scrollback of other teams | 15:57 |
| srwilkers | but that's my opinion, and overall not that important | 15:57 |
| srwilkers | any opinions any other way? | 15:58 |
| jayahn | not much. i am okay with either way | 15:58 |
| portdirect | hmm - I quite like the meeting channel as it logs the meetings: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2017/ | 15:58 |
| portdirect | would we be able to keep this if we moved it into #openstack-helm | 15:58 |
| jayahn | as long as it leaves logs.. like portdirect mentioned | 15:59 |
| srwilkers | ill look into what we need to do to ensure they're captured | 15:59 |
| portdirect | if we can then moving may make sense | 15:59 |
| portdirect | as it would make slack access easier | 15:59 |
| srwilkers | exactly what i was going to say | 15:59 |
| srwilkers | #topic srwilkers check into logging meetings in #openstack-helm | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "srwilkers check into logging meetings in #openstack-helm (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 16:00 | |
| srwilkers | oops | 16:00 |
| srwilkers | #topic open discussion | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 16:00 | |
| srwilkers | #action srwilkers check into logging meetings in #openstack-helm | 16:00 |
| portdirect | so -1 if we loose the meeting logs, +1 if we can keep them :D | 16:00 |
| srwilkers | alright, thats it for today | 16:00 |
| srwilkers | see you in #openstack-helm | 16:00 |
| srwilkers | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 26 16:00:32 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2017/openstack_helm.2017-09-26-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2017/openstack_helm.2017-09-26-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2017/openstack_helm.2017-09-26-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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