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| srwilkers | o/ | 15:01 |
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| mattmceuen | #startmeeting openstack-helm | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 9 15:01:41 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mattmceuen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_helm' | 15:01 |
| mattmceuen | #topic rollcall | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:01 | |
| srwilkers | o/ | 15:01 |
| lamt` | o/ | 15:01 |
| mattmceuen | GM! | 15:01 |
| d|k | o/ | 15:02 |
| srwilkers | good morning | 15:02 |
| mattmceuen | Agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2018-01-09 | 15:02 |
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| mattmceuen | Feel free to add any addn'l topics you'd like to discuss today | 15:02 |
| mattmceuen | Pretty light agenda today, you can all scare up your pent-up roundtable :) | 15:03 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Define WIP | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Define WIP (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:03 | |
| mattmceuen | I got a couple suggestions from the community to help get folks on the same page faster | 15:04 |
| mattmceuen | First: not everyone uses WIP the way we do, so it'll help to define it | 15:04 |
| mattmceuen | WIP = Work In Progress, and is a tag that you can prepend on a patchset | 15:04 |
| alanmeadows | o/ | 15:05 |
| mattmceuen | It indicates a PS that is probably not yet fully functional, and probably not ready for a full rigorous review | 15:05 |
| mattmceuen | But is out in the open so it can be shared in an "early access" or "for interested parties" manner | 15:05 |
| mattmceuen | So as reviewers, noone should feel compelled to review a WIP patchset -- just if you're interested in a sneak peak | 15:06 |
| mattmceuen | Did I miss anything? | 15:06 |
| mattmceuen | top o' the morning alanmeadows | 15:06 |
| portdirect | thats how I see it | 15:06 |
| mattmceuen | It helps balance out the urge to wait for something to be Pristine before revealing it to the world | 15:07 |
| srwilkers | i think if anyone wants a review on a WIP, they should add reviewers and maybe ping them directly | 15:07 |
| mattmceuen | My WIP PS if full of TODO comments that I plan to clean up before taking WIP out of the PS, for example | 15:07 |
| srwilkers | but i typically wont provide any feedback on something with a WIP tag | 15:07 |
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| mattmceuen | Good point. A friendly FYI. | 15:07 |
| mattmceuen | Any other WIP bits? | 15:08 |
| mattmceuen | So then the transition of a PS from WIP to non-WIP is typically indicated by simply taking out the WIP from the PS name | 15:09 |
| mattmceuen | At which point serious review is welcome | 15:09 |
| mattmceuen | Which brings us to second topic: | 15:09 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Ways to leverage the OpenStack-Dev ML | 15:09 |
| portdirect | thats how I've always done it - as having to "workflow -1" on every ps gets dull quickly. | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ways to leverage the OpenStack-Dev ML (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:09 | |
| mattmceuen | agree portdirect | 15:10 |
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| mattmceuen | We don't leverage the mailing list much to date | 15:10 |
| mattmceuen | One valuable way to use it would be to invite reviews on a "major" PS as it transitions from WIP to ready-for-review | 15:10 |
| mattmceuen | That would serve as a notification to both OSH team members (which is a little redundant if you're watching e.g. the osh channel) but also the broader community | 15:11 |
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| mattmceuen | So if you had a major Nova chart PS for example, and it would benefit from review from the Nova team, you could invite review that way | 15:12 |
| srwilkers | i wouldnt use the mailing list for review requests | 15:12 |
| mattmceuen | How come? | 15:12 |
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| srwilkers | i think IRC or adding specific reviewers would be better -- calling for reviews on the mailing list goes against the mailing list etiquette: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/MailingListEtiquette#Reviews_request | 15:13 |
| srwilkers | i think if we want to discuss a feature and get feedback on it from a high level, it'd be alright but id stop short of requesting reviews | 15:14 |
| portdirect | ++ | 15:14 |
| portdirect | but we should for sure be much more active there | 15:14 |
| srwilkers | i agree | 15:14 |
| portdirect | as many of our problems are community wide | 15:15 |
| mattmceuen | Agree. I'm thinking of this less like our standing "what PS need eyeballs" meeting item, and more like "announcement: we have a new chart for X and are interested in feedback from team X" | 15:15 |
| portdirect | eg: healthchecks | 15:15 |
| srwilkers | totally. | 15:15 |
| mattmceuen | (also: we'd appreciate contributions / enhancements from team X :) ) | 15:16 |
| portdirect | I'd be tempted to bring people in earlier to be honest | 15:16 |
| portdirect | eg: we want to do nova live migration, how should we do that? | 15:16 |
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| srwilkers | portdirect: yeah, that's the high level stuff i envision being discussed via the ML | 15:16 |
| mattmceuen | awesome | 15:16 |
| mattmceuen | Other thoughts on either getting more out of the ML, or ways to get eyes on PS and invite review? | 15:18 |
| mattmceuen | On that note, I am seguewaying like a monster today | 15:19 |
| mattmceuen | #topic PS that need review | 15:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PS that need review (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:19 | |
| mattmceuen | who needs some review today | 15:19 |
| mattmceuen | well this is an excellent problem for us to have, and maybe a first :) | 15:20 |
| srwilkers | ive been working on some docs for the current LMA charts -- im hoping to have those ready for review here in a bit | 15:20 |
| srwilkers | would really like some broad feedback there | 15:21 |
| mattmceuen | good work team: I know there have been a lot of PS yesterday and everyone's been working hard to provide feedback | 15:21 |
| portdirect | I'm in a similar boat, expect to be inundated in about 6 hours. | 15:21 |
| mattmceuen | the calm before the storm | 15:21 |
| mattmceuen | deal | 15:21 |
| srwilkers | oh | 15:21 |
| srwilkers | i lied | 15:21 |
| srwilkers | maybe take a gander at this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/531223/ | 15:21 |
| MarkBaker | o/ | 15:22 |
| srwilkers | this takes the current fluent-logging chart and adds logging for dockerd and the kubelet via systemd | 15:22 |
| mattmceuen | A lot of PS notifications come by in the IRC channel, especially with our aforementioned WIP practices. Whenever someone would like some eyes on something sooner than later, feel free to drop an extra note in the chat room too. | 15:22 |
| mattmceuen | o/ MarkBaker! | 15:22 |
| portdirect | srwilkers: how does the output of this differ for the containers_tail for docker? | 15:22 |
| portdirect | can we use the json logger or journald with impunity now? :) | 15:23 |
| srwilkers | that's the next step -- im going to throw a WIP up here soon to check how using the journald driver looks in comparison | 15:23 |
| srwilkers | im hesitant to say with impunity just yet, but thinking signs point to yes | 15:24 |
| mattmceuen | with measured punity. | 15:24 |
| alanmeadows | srwilkers: would this be the path for any host-level capturing? | 15:24 |
| srwilkers | three significant figures of impunity | 15:24 |
| alanmeadows | e.g. expand on this approach as needed | 15:25 |
| srwilkers | alanmeadows: yeah | 15:25 |
| alanmeadows | cool | 15:25 |
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| mattmceuen | Any other patches in need of review at the moment? | 15:26 |
| mattmceuen | Cool. | 15:26 |
| portdirect | can we give a shoutout for patches we just merged? | 15:27 |
| mattmceuen | go for it portdirect | 15:27 |
| srwilkers | yes portdirect :) | 15:27 |
| portdirect | so Craig Anderson is a scary, scary dude. | 15:27 |
| mattmceuen | #fact | 15:27 |
| portdirect | this is a real leap forward for us i think: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/524422/ | 15:27 |
| srwilkers | dat gotpl tho | 15:28 |
| portdirect | and really is a sterling bit of gotpl | 15:28 |
| mattmceuen | agree on both counts | 15:28 |
| mattmceuen | a work of terrifying beauty | 15:29 |
| portdirect | I've used it a few times as a ref, it always makes my brain bleed, but is worth it. | 15:29 |
| alanmeadows | Van Gotpl? | 15:29 |
| * portdirect like a moth to a flame. | 15:29 | |
| srwilkers | alanmeadows: i see what you did there | 15:29 |
| mattmceuen | lol alanmeadows | 15:30 |
| alanmeadows | I try to add value where I can | 15:30 |
| mattmceuen | Should socializing recent merges of note be a standing agenda item? | 15:30 |
| portdirect | hopefully, more than reviews needed ;) | 15:31 |
| srwilkers | ++ | 15:31 |
| alanmeadows | I trust most cores follow those, perhaps etherpad worthy? | 15:31 |
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| mattmceuen | Yep. I like both approaches - good to call out broadly and also track the architecturally relevant ones so that folks could use them to catch up - is that what you're thinking alanmeadows? | 15:32 |
| alanmeadows | sure, besides what other time do we get to a brief happy dance for wins? | 15:33 |
| mattmceuen | :-D | 15:34 |
| mattmceuen | deal | 15:34 |
| alanmeadows | oh also an item of note | 15:34 |
| alanmeadows | I started a small thread after sydney for health APIs | 15:34 |
| alanmeadows | I think this is relevant for OSH input -- prior to mailing list publishing we wanted a spec | 15:36 |
| alanmeadows | comments will be welcome from this group | 15:36 |
| alanmeadows | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/531456/ | 15:36 |
| alanmeadows | especially with an eye (for us) on how this can enable better helm/k8s health checking/management of openstack services | 15:36 |
| mattmceuen | good one - thx for sharing that here | 15:37 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Future knowledge sharing topics? | 15:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Future knowledge sharing topics? (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:38 | |
| mattmceuen | Are there any terrifying or exciting areas of OSH that anyone would like an overview of in a future team meeting? | 15:39 |
| d|k | don't wanna sign him up for anythiing, but i'd _love_ to hear an eli5 kind of walk through how to apply that 524422 patch | 15:39 |
| portdirect | that would be great | 15:40 |
| d|k | selfish on my part 'cause we're going to need it for ceph, but it seems like other subtasks will want to use the technique as well. | 15:40 |
| portdirect | as for ceph disk targeting it would be awesome | 15:40 |
| d|k | what he said. | 15:40 |
| mattmceuen | Good idea! | 15:41 |
| mattmceuen | Will do | 15:41 |
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| alanmeadows | It would be the more correct way to do it | 15:41 |
| alanmeadows | and an excellent test of what its trying to offer | 15:41 |
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| mattmceuen | Alrighty: | 15:43 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Roundtable | 15:43 |
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| mattmceuen | Other topics of note? | 15:43 |
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| mattmceuen | Well for one: congrats to jayahn, I don't think he was able to join today, but he got a promotion at SKT! Couldn't be happier for him. | 15:45 |
| mattmceuen | If he were here he'd be too modest to brag, so I will brag for him | 15:45 |
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| mattmceuen | Also: we were originally going to have the CICD focus meeting this week, but that's been pushed to next week FYI. | 15:46 |
| mattmceuen | The agenda for that is here, if you'd like to add to it: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2018-01-16 | 15:46 |
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| mattmceuen | Any other items for discussion? | 15:47 |
| mattmceuen | Sold - good meeting folks. See you in the team channel. | 15:48 |
| mattmceuen | #endmeeting | 15:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:48 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 9 15:48:28 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-01-09-15.01.html | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-01-09-15.01.txt | 15:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-01-09-15.01.log.html | 15:48 |
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