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| mattmceuen | #startmeeting openstack-helm | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 6 14:59:36 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mattmceuen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_helm' | 14:59 |
| mattmceuen | #topic rollcall | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 14:59 | |
| srwilkers | \m/ | 15:00 |
| jayahn | o/ | 15:00 |
| portdirect | ᕕ(⌐■_■)ᕗ ♪♬ | 15:00 |
| mattmceuen | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2018-02-06 <- agenda | 15:00 |
| lamt_ | o/ | 15:00 |
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| gmmaha | o/ | 15:01 |
| icolwell | o/ | 15:01 |
| d|k | o/ | 15:01 |
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| mattmceuen | #topic Office Hours: The Final Chapter | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Office Hours: The Final Chapter (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:02 | |
| * srwilkers thinks it was Colonel Mustard with the candlestick again | 15:02 | |
| alanmeadows | o/ | 15:02 |
| mattmceuen | Thanks everyone who volunteered potential office hours in the survey | 15:02 |
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| mattmceuen | I gathered the results, and for the most part, there were three different hours in a normal week that captured most folks. I added them into the agenda if you want to take a look. | 15:03 |
| mattmceuen | There were a couple of folks that didn't fit in and had their own hours. I'd like to | 15:04 |
| mattmceuen | 1. call the first three blocks the offical office hours for OSH | 15:04 |
| mattmceuen | 2. see whether the two other folks (v1k0d3n and lrensing) are able to make any of those | 15:04 |
| mattmceuen | 3. if not, they'll have to have their own office hours :) | 15:04 |
| mattmceuen | Friday 4pm UTC, Tuesday 2pm UTC, Tuesday 10pm UTC would be the office hours | 15:05 |
| mattmceuen | (Tuesday 8am and 4pm CST, Friday 10am CST) | 15:05 |
| mattmceuen | Any concerns with that approach? | 15:05 |
| * portdirect wonders how many meetings will cut into 9-5 slots :trollface: | 15:06 | |
| * mattmceuen gavels | 15:06 | |
| portdirect | works for me :) | 15:06 |
| mattmceuen | I'll post on the wiki and send out an email on the list. Thanks all! | 15:07 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Discuss roadmap for OpenStack supported versions in OSH | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discuss roadmap for OpenStack supported versions in OSH (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:07 | |
| jayahn | that is a topic for ptg discussion, i guess. | 15:07 |
| jayahn | I already put this topic in ptg agenda, unless someone has some answer on this at this moment | 15:08 |
| mattmceuen | We def should discuss at PTG, but I thought we could at least put down a few thoughts in prep since not everyone will be there | 15:08 |
| portdirect | On that point, I'd like to attend via video if possible | 15:09 |
| jayahn | as long as i remember, the cut-off condition was "a reasonalbly good working gating". | 15:09 |
| jayahn | portdirect: you are not coming to Dublin? | 15:09 |
| portdirect | ++ to you point jayahn, and we need to do it - though I think the time to do this is after the fabled 1.0 release, which encompases the gating | 15:10 |
| srwilkers | portdirect: i wasn't kidding when i said id bring my ipad and just run some sort of video conference on it so we can take you everywhere | 15:10 |
| mattmceuen | not an answer jayahn :) but the critical path in my mind is: | 15:10 |
| mattmceuen | 1. someone creates non-voting gates for ocata | 15:10 |
| mattmceuen | 2. when we are comfortable with the gates, we make ocata gates voting | 15:10 |
| mattmceuen | 3. at some point after that (post 1.0) we switch default images to ocata | 15:10 |
| mattmceuen | 4. at some point when noone cares about newton, we deprecate newton gates | 15:10 |
| mattmceuen | agree? | 15:10 |
| portdirect | jayahn: visa fun means its very unlikely I'll be in dublin | 15:10 |
| * jayahn is really sad | 15:11 | |
| jayahn | newton is already O | 15:11 |
| portdirect | mattmceuen: that looks on point to me | 15:11 |
| jayahn | EOL | 15:11 |
| jayahn | we probably better to move on Ocata as soon as possible. | 15:11 |
| mattmceuen | I think we should start the process asap | 15:11 |
| jayahn | even Ocata EOL is Feb 26 | 15:11 |
| mattmceuen | as long as we have newton + ocata voting gates, the question of which is the default set of images is more academic imo | 15:12 |
| mattmceuen | jayahn - agree, and at PTG I want to talk post-Ocata! :) | 15:12 |
| portdirect | master or bust! | 15:12 |
| srwilkers | portdirect: ! | 15:12 |
| mattmceuen | at the end of the day we need voting gates for the releases we care about as a community | 15:12 |
| portdirect | and can get the clearance to put time into | 15:13 |
| alanmeadows | there is also new gating required for validating upgrade success | 15:13 |
| alanmeadows | without this, the addition isn't worth much | 15:13 |
| portdirect | ++ | 15:13 |
| mattmceuen | jayahn is that enough on the topic to tide you over till PTG discussion? :) | 15:14 |
| jayahn | Do we want to put "upgrade success" as mandantory option to move on to the next version? I probably want to define further on what is upgrade success. | 15:14 |
| mattmceuen | I think we do | 15:15 |
| mattmceuen | upgrade success being a gated thing too | 15:15 |
| alanmeadows | at some point, we have to make a small leap in order to have two releases we can demonstrate upgrade success | 15:15 |
| alanmeadows | has anyone given thought to how multiple releases would be served up to the community? OSH stable releases that are not tied to OpenStack and can support any image past or present? How do they elect an OS version? Manifests? Branches for OS versions? Many options each with their own benefits and costs | 15:17 |
| portdirect | I'd be in favor of the manifests approach | 15:18 |
| jayahn | demonstrating upgrade success will be not that difficult, especially from newton to ocata, if we limit to so called "openstack core services", and if it is okay for existing VMs sometimes to reboot due to libvirt upgrade. | 15:18 |
| jayahn | i'd be in favor of the manifests approach as well | 15:18 |
| portdirect | untill that breaks, and we *need* to create a new branch | 15:18 |
| portdirect | that way each branch could suport a range of osh versions ie "newton-x" "x-y" etc | 15:19 |
| mattmceuen | Also in favor of manifests approach as long as it doesn't get too branch-y in the code (which to date has been the case) | 15:19 |
| alanmeadows | To avoid having to maintain "life long backwards compatibility" have we thought ... exactly @portdirect | 15:19 |
| alanmeadows | I would say that would help alleviate some of the pain if we look at this over time | 15:19 |
| alanmeadows | 1.0 supports "newton and ocata" | 15:19 |
| mattmceuen | portdirect: was thinking the same about supporting ranges of OS versions in each OSH version | 15:19 |
| mattmceuen | +1 | 15:20 |
| alanmeadows | 2.0 supports "ocata and pike" | 15:20 |
| alanmeadows | so on... | 15:20 |
| portdirect | I'd be mvoe up for 1.0.0 - newton and ocata, 1.1.0 ... | 15:20 |
| alanmeadows | sure, just fabricating some numbers | 15:21 |
| jayahn | we know some of ocata stuff breaks newton. :) | 15:21 |
| jayahn | anyway, i agree on having ranges per a version. | 15:21 |
| alanmeadows | it seems a healthy target though | 15:21 |
| alanmeadows | is one OSH release supporting at least two versions | 15:21 |
| alanmeadows | that way you can upgrade without touching charts | 15:22 |
| portdirect | ^ I think this is a fundamental requirement | 15:22 |
| mattmceuen | Having OS version ranges will allow us to deprecate any feature-toggle-type stuff needed to support multiple versions in a reasoned way | 15:22 |
| mattmceuen | Which is one concern I had with "support all OS versions in a single branch" | 15:23 |
| mattmceuen | cool | 15:23 |
| mattmceuen | We can keep ironing out details @ the PTG | 15:23 |
| mattmceuen | now watch me segue, segue, watch me segueway | 15:23 |
| portdirect | we should also formalise the toggles | 15:23 |
| * portdirect so things like this are sane: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/531893/ | 15:24 | |
| mattmceuen | Thanks for the reference portdirect | 15:24 |
| mattmceuen | Should we target that for a spec? Normalized feature toggles? | 15:24 |
| portdirect | yes | 15:25 |
| mattmceuen | #action Make a spec for normalized feature toggles | 15:25 |
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| mattmceuen | #topic PTG schedule | 15:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG schedule (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:25 | |
| alanmeadows | Everyone should get their interns on normalization -- charts like barbican still missing basics like node selector targeting for jobs | 15:25 |
| portdirect | ++ to that | 15:26 |
| alanmeadows | the fundamentals should be consistent everywhere at this point | 15:26 |
| mattmceuen | rally the interns! | 15:26 |
| portdirect | I was gonna make anothe sweep though this weekend, but an army of people would make lite work of it | 15:26 |
| alanmeadows | its a great way to force an introduction :) | 15:26 |
| mattmceuen | Identification of low-hanging fruit -- another thing I wanted to talk about at the PTG :) at this rate we'll have a light agenda | 15:27 |
| mattmceuen | #topic PTG schedule redoux | 15:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG schedule redoux (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:27 | |
| mattmceuen | We were originally scheduled for Monday and Tuesday of the PTG, now we're Thursday and Friday | 15:28 |
| mattmceuen | This will allow us to branch out into more of the relevant cross-team meetings on M/T (edge, k8s sig, ..) that are important to OSH, while also allowing Wednesday to spend any time in other project team meetings as needed | 15:28 |
| jayahn | so we are flying in Dublin on Monday, will be available from Tuesday for any kind of meeting. let us know if there is any cross-team meeting we need to attend as openstack-helm project member | 15:29 |
| mattmceuen | Note that technically we get our room halfway through Thursday, so we probably want to grab an overflow room for the first half of Thursday | 15:29 |
| mattmceuen | Perfect! | 15:29 |
| mattmceuen | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRmqAAQZA1rIzlNJpVp-X60-z6jMn_95BKWtf0csGT9LkDharY-mppI25KjiuRasmK413MxXcoSU7ki/pubhtml?gid=1374855307&single=true | 15:30 |
| mattmceuen | ^ the schedule in case anyone doesn't have it | 15:30 |
| mattmceuen | ok | 15:31 |
| mattmceuen | now it's going to get real | 15:31 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Team Mascot | 15:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Team Mascot (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:31 | |
| mattmceuen | So as an official project we are entitled to have the Foundation draw us a cute animal as our official logo/mascot! | 15:31 |
| mattmceuen | There are two things I want to accomplish for that today | 15:32 |
| jayahn | should it be animal? | 15:32 |
| mattmceuen | It has to be something natural iirc from the rules - so doesn't have to be an animal perhaps, but can't be a semi truck | 15:32 |
| mattmceuen | 1. let's share some initial suggestions | 15:32 |
| mattmceuen | 2. let's decide how as a team we'll decide | 15:33 |
| srwilkers | oh, now we're talking the important stuff | 15:33 |
| mattmceuen | I know portdirect is very passionate on this topic | 15:33 |
| mattmceuen | you get the floor pete | 15:33 |
| alanmeadows | http://ipfactly.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Sphynx-kitten.jpg | 15:33 |
| portdirect | 2. like the graceful ratel we will come to a consensus | 15:33 |
| portdirect | I'd like to propose the Ratel at our team mascott | 15:34 |
| srwilkers | seconded | 15:34 |
| portdirect | its a hardy, flexible and robust animal | 15:34 |
| portdirect | much like openstack-helm (developers) | 15:34 |
| portdirect | also it just doesn't care about node failure | 15:35 |
| jayahn | looking at google translation now | 15:35 |
| portdirect | and keeps on serving up apis | 15:35 |
| mattmceuen | If you are unfamiliar with the Ratel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey_badger | 15:35 |
| srwilkers | finally | 15:35 |
| srwilkers | thank you for linking something with its proper name | 15:35 |
| portdirect | mattmceuen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratel | 15:35 |
| gmmaha | portdirect: thanks for saving me a google search | 15:36 |
| srwilkers | alanmeadows: id be open to a sphinx kitten, only if they draw you sitting in a chair with one, staring menacingly | 15:36 |
| mattmceuen | thank you portdirect, my mistake | 15:37 |
| portdirect | ;) | 15:37 |
| mattmceuen | I would propose in addition the Marine Otter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_otter | 15:37 |
| alanmeadows | :) | 15:37 |
| mattmceuen | It is small and efficient | 15:38 |
| mattmceuen | It is the only otter that lives exclusively in marine regions | 15:38 |
| mattmceuen | It is related to the Ratel and is essentially the Ratel of the sea | 15:38 |
| jayahn | personally, i am leaning toward marine otter | 15:38 |
| d|k | +1 | 15:38 |
| srwilkers | the ratel is the ratel of the sea, because it doesnt care about water | 15:38 |
| srwilkers | it just jumps in | 15:39 |
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| portdirect | srwilkers: you are correct | 15:39 |
| alanmeadows | Is there already a penguin? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_penguin | 15:39 |
| mattmceuen | I propose we sit on it today and let folks make a careful and well-reasoned decision on this important choice | 15:40 |
| srwilkers | also, dont want a marine otter being confused with the karbor mascot (beaver), tail be damned | 15:40 |
| alanmeadows | because... I like being emperor | 15:40 |
| portdirect | I think voting should be weighted by commits | 15:40 |
| mattmceuen | fair point alanmeadows. maybe you can embrace and extend that mascot | 15:40 |
| mattmceuen | let's vote on that idea portdirect | 15:40 |
| gmmaha | so we are not going to try the semi-truck? :P | 15:40 |
| jayahn | https://leeromao.artstation.com/projects/gBPK | 15:41 |
| jayahn | popeye at the helm :) | 15:42 |
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| mattmceuen | oh my! | 15:42 |
| mattmceuen | the spinach tatoo is a nice touch | 15:42 |
| mattmceuen | Any other candidates before we change topics, and reconvene next week? | 15:42 |
| alanmeadows | jayahn: now thats a mascot | 15:42 |
| alanmeadows | "OpenStack-Helm: We will crush you." | 15:43 |
| jayahn | :) with armada | 15:43 |
| mattmceuen | lol | 15:43 |
| srwilkers | oh my | 15:43 |
| mattmceuen | #topic PS Needing Reviews | 15:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PS Needing Reviews (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:44 | |
| mattmceuen | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/535699/ - Use ceph-admin-keyring to execute storage_init script in Cinder. | 15:44 |
| mattmceuen | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/501961/ - Ironic chart and gate scripts | 15:44 |
| mattmceuen | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/536215/ - Will be getting tidied today, but this is now very close to what we will push upstream to ceph-helm | 15:44 |
| mattmceuen | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/538419/ - Add template for Fluent logging index | 15:44 |
| mattmceuen | Other PS we need to get on the collective radar? | 15:45 |
| mattmceuen | Or comments on the above | 15:45 |
| portdirect | I'll check out the cinder ps today | 15:46 |
| portdirect | looks good at 1st parse | 15:46 |
| jayahn | thanks | 15:46 |
| mattmceuen | awesome | 15:46 |
| portdirect | feeback on the ceph stuff would be really appreated | 15:47 |
| portdirect | as soon it will be moving out of our direct control | 15:47 |
| portdirect | as it moves to ceph-helm | 15:47 |
| mattmceuen | good point | 15:47 |
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| portdirect | once this is merged, I'll spit the chart into one for each function | 15:48 |
| gmmaha | portdirect: will check it out today as soon i am done testing the loopback create on fedora which isn't playing nice | 15:48 |
| portdirect | nice - cheers gmmaha | 15:48 |
| portdirect | you have a link to the ps your working on? | 15:48 |
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| gmmaha | portdirect: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/539019 | 15:49 |
| gmmaha | the one renis authored. | 15:49 |
| portdirect | nice - I'll check that out for sure | 15:49 |
| mattmceuen | thanks gmmaha portdirect - really looking forward to that one | 15:50 |
| portdirect | I'f its not changed too much since the original work it should not have too much trouble on fedora, as that was done on f26 | 15:50 |
| gmmaha | portdirect: it used to work on fedora 27, but somehitng seems to have chnaged in the os and now it doesxnt' | 15:50 |
| gmmaha | chasing that down to see what happened there | 15:50 |
| mattmceuen | Alright - changing topics | 15:51 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Topics for future meetings | 15:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Topics for future meetings (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:51 | |
| mattmceuen | I have one, bringing it up now to get the gears turning: storyboard is coming to town | 15:52 |
| mattmceuen | The foundation has done a successful test migration of OSH to storyboard away from launchpad | 15:52 |
| mattmceuen | I've been poking around and have some thought, but just early ones | 15:52 |
| mattmceuen | We can discuss next time, but if anyone is interested in digging in and taking point, I have resources/info I can share | 15:53 |
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| mattmceuen | #topic Roundtable Discussion | 15:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roundtable Discussion (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:54 | |
| mattmceuen | 5 minutes left; anything else team? | 15:54 |
| mattmceuen | Alright - adjourned | 15:56 |
| * mattmceuen gavels again | 15:57 | |
| mattmceuen | #endmeeting | 15:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 6 15:57:08 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-02-06-14.59.html | 15:57 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-02-06-14.59.txt | 15:57 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-02-06-14.59.log.html | 15:57 |
| mattmceuen | Thanks everyone! | 15:57 |
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| jayahn | as PTL candidate | 22:16 |
| jayahn | Check email from Kendall please | 22:16 |
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