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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 22 14:01:11 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 14:01 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:01 |
| lujinluo | o/ | 14:01 |
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| ihrachys | hey mlavalle lujinluo thanks for joining | 14:01 |
| mlavalle | hi lujinluo. Nice to see you! | 14:01 |
| ihrachys | TuanVu, o/ | 14:01 |
| TuanVu | Hi Ihar :) | 14:01 |
| lujinluo | mlavalle: hi! nice to see you here! | 14:01 |
| TuanVu | Hi Luo | 14:02 |
| mlavalle | hi TuanVu | 14:02 |
| TuanVu | Hi mlavalle | 14:02 |
| hungpv | hello | 14:02 |
| mlavalle | hi hungpv | 14:03 |
| ihrachys | we have the usual technical stuff to discuss today + one organizational topic. I suggest we don't hold the latter and discuss it straight away | 14:03 |
| ihrachys | #topic Chair | 14:03 |
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| ihrachys | I may no longer be able to spend much time on Neutron in the near future (think month or so) | 14:04 |
| ihrachys | because I am moving to another project (out of realm of OpenStack) | 14:05 |
| lujinluo | :( soooo sad to hear that | 14:05 |
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| ihrachys | that's not going to happen overnight or tomorrow, but that's going to happen | 14:05 |
| * mlavalle said the same. still in shock | 14:05 | |
| ihrachys | I am sorry for letting you down | 14:06 |
| TuanVu | well, not happy to hear that | 14:06 |
| hungpv | :( so sad | 14:06 |
| ihrachys | anyway, we need to set everything correctly so that there is no disruption in what we are working on | 14:06 |
| TuanVu | I really appreciate your great help so far, Ihar. Not only for me but also for the whole project and other members | 14:06 |
| mlavalle | ihrachys: you never let us down. it's just that we love you in Neutron, so we don't want to see you go. But we undrstand it is good for you | 14:06 |
| lujinluo | ++ | 14:07 |
| mlavalle | Make us proud in your next project! | 14:07 |
| ihrachys | and first obvious question is, assuming I no longer am able to pay much time to the project, we need to pass some batons I carried till now to responsible folks | 14:07 |
| ihrachys | I already discussed a bunch of 'batons' with mlavalle several days ago | 14:07 |
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| ihrachys | one baton we don't have anyone committed to yet is leading this group / chairing the meeting | 14:08 |
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| ihrachys | and if it fits your plans lujinluo I would like to ask you to take over the role since you are probably the most involved and experienced person in this group. what do you think? | 14:09 |
| mlavalle | ++ | 14:09 |
| TuanVu | ++ | 14:10 |
| ihrachys | again, I am not going away over night, and I am here to help you with whatever you need in next month or so. | 14:10 |
| mlavalle | and I will lend a hand whenever you think it is necssary | 14:10 |
| lujinluo | I see. I'd love to step up and it would be really appreciated if I could get some necessary help from mlavalle or ihrachys when needed | 14:11 |
| mlavalle | This team is very importnt to Neutron so we want to keep it in good hands | 14:11 |
| lujinluo | thanks for trusting me. i am surprised (in a good way) | 14:11 |
| ihrachys | the good news is that I am a terrible leader anyhow, so it should be easy peasy for you to do x10 better. :) | 14:11 |
| lujinluo | LOL, no way. You are a wonderful leader and helpful reviewer ihrachys | 14:12 |
| mlavalle | ++ | 14:12 |
| ihrachys | lujinluo, great! I will propose the necessary changes for irc meetings repo to have you a co-chair, and we can discuss when you feel comfortable to take it over. | 14:13 |
| lujinluo | understood. | 14:13 |
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| ihrachys | btw with me eventually gone, it could also make sense to move the meeting to some better time for Asia since everyone else is there. that will be your decision to make of course. | 14:14 |
| mlavalle | Absolutely | 14:15 |
| ihrachys | lujinluo, thanks for stepping in, I really appreciate (I am sure mlavalle does too) | 14:15 |
| mlavalle | of course I am delighted that you are stepping up to the plate | 14:15 |
| TuanVu | I believe Luo will be a great leader :) | 14:15 |
| lujinluo | again, I am really surprised that you choose to believe in me. I feel like more motivated for work tmr, LOL | 14:16 |
| mlavalle | :-) | 14:16 |
| ihrachys | yes. another thing related to me stepping down at some point is that the group will loose the only focused core developer with ability to merge. mlavalle will need to look closer at what can be done with it. it may be giving coreship to someone in this group, or assigning someone from outside the group to support the effort. | 14:17 |
| ihrachys | lujinluo, I am surprised you are surprised but ok! | 14:17 |
| mlavalle | I will keep a close eye on reviews and I will help to develop cores in this area | 14:17 |
| lujinluo | yes. and we should probably shout out to slawek more often | 14:18 |
| lujinluo | ;) | 14:18 |
| ihrachys | yeah that could work | 14:19 |
| ihrachys | ok enough of this topic, let's talk code now :) | 14:19 |
| mlavalle | yeah! | 14:19 |
| ihrachys | #topic OVO | 14:19 |
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| ihrachys | I guess the first thing to discuss should be https://review.openstack.org/#/c/553617/ since it was blocking a bunch of patches | 14:20 |
| ihrachys | it's "objects: automatically detect whether engine facade is used" | 14:20 |
| TuanVu | yes | 14:20 |
| ihrachys | that would allow objects to use the correct way to nest subtransactions depending on runtime context | 14:21 |
| lujinluo | we got new comments from Michael | 14:21 |
| ihrachys | we may want to have it moved to autonested_transaction at some point to broaden the scope to outside OVO since it seems like a good approach to stop carrying about the new and old ways of nesting, not just for OVO. | 14:22 |
| mlavalle | that's a good point | 14:23 |
| lujinluo | yeah | 14:23 |
| ihrachys | yeah I see Michael's comments, posted just now | 14:23 |
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| ihrachys | I will need to dive in but looks like he is not happy about it in general. which means I will need to rework it. One thing he noticed there is that refresh() doesn't really refresh relationships. which is very surprising to me. (I am sure this detach code always assumed it.) | 14:25 |
| ihrachys | seems like there is more work to do there. | 14:25 |
| mlavalle | it did well with zuul, though | 14:26 |
| ihrachys | yeah that's a good part. but maybe we overcomplicate things there with the whole refresh / expunge thingy | 14:27 |
| ihrachys | I may need to talk to Michael about why we (think we) need the code | 14:27 |
| mlavalle | I am going to rebase https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545501/ on top of it to see what happens | 14:28 |
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| ihrachys | mlavalle, yeah I guess it's worth experimenting like that. the general idea of the patch will stand, it's just that maybe we will need to rework sqlalchemy specifics. | 14:29 |
| mlavalle | yeap | 14:29 |
| lujinluo | agree | 14:29 |
| ihrachys | ok I will spend some time on understanding what Michael feels bad about there :) | 14:31 |
| ihrachys | let's now move to pure OVO patches | 14:31 |
| ihrachys | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/adopt-oslo-versioned-objects-for-db | 14:31 |
| ihrachys | https://review.openstack.org/507772 "Use Network OVO in db_base_plugin" | 14:31 |
| TuanVu | I'm still working on the answers for your concerns | 14:32 |
| ihrachys | I believe TuanVu had some issues with the same detach code there. I tried to rebase the patch on top of mine and it seemed to have passed the previously failing test case. | 14:32 |
| TuanVu | wao, really? | 14:33 |
| ihrachys | so probably the test case TuanVu was most concerned about would be ok with the fix | 14:33 |
| TuanVu | that's awesome! | 14:33 |
| TuanVu | thank you so much, Ihar :) | 14:33 |
| lujinluo | good to hear that. TuanVu seems to be struggling with the detach codes for a long time | 14:33 |
| ihrachys | TuanVu, yeah, I dropped you an email 15 minutes before the meeting | 14:33 |
| TuanVu | thank you Ihar, I'm not at work at the moment, so I cannot check that email right now | 14:34 |
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| ihrachys | np | 14:34 |
| TuanVu | however, I have a question | 14:34 |
| ihrachys | shoot | 14:34 |
| TuanVu | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507772/39/neutron/objects/base.py@320 | 14:35 |
| ihrachys | wait. I now realize that I may have tested with the exception handler. sec. | 14:36 |
| ihrachys | eh sorry TuanVu I am dumb, I haven't checked that the handler was still there. it still fails. | 14:37 |
| TuanVu | ok, and one more note: the test (queries constant) was modified in my last patch set | 14:37 |
| ihrachys | now take back all the praise and thanks you gave me | 14:37 |
| TuanVu | haha, no problem, Ihar | 14:37 |
| ihrachys | right, you are talking about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507772/39/neutron/tests/unit/db/test_db_base_plugin_v2.py | 14:37 |
| TuanVu | no way I'm gonna take them back :)) | 14:37 |
| TuanVu | yes | 14:38 |
| TuanVu | I've already sent you the explanation in my last email | 14:38 |
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| TuanVu | I've tried to remove the exception, and also tried to make sure new facade is being used | 14:39 |
| TuanVu | however, there's still error: | 14:39 |
| TuanVu | InvalidRequestError: Instance '<Network at 0x7f9654402f90>' is not persistent within this Session | 14:39 |
| ihrachys | yeah I now see my fix doesn't make a dent there :-x | 14:40 |
| TuanVu | maybe I'm not doing it correctly, I'm not sure :-? | 14:41 |
| TuanVu | but as far as I understand, it's just | 14:41 |
| TuanVu | - Network to "new_facade = True" | 14:41 |
| TuanVu | - db_api.autonested_transaction(context.session): => cls.db_context_reader(context): | 14:41 |
| TuanVu | that's all, am I right? | 14:41 |
| ihrachys | yes that would work. with my patch merged it would not require any action on your side at all since OVO object would be aware of execution context (which way to open nested subtransaction was used above it) | 14:42 |
| ihrachys | I now understand that you still have this issue even with the patch. I will consider your use case when working on the next patch set. | 14:43 |
| TuanVu | however, as you've tested (rebased my patch on your patch), it's still not working, right? | 14:43 |
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| mlavalle | yeah, it's good input to Ihar's patch | 14:43 |
| ihrachys | yeah the patch is clearly not ready and I will work on it today. I am hopeful Michael will have more to say when I explain him how we got there. | 14:44 |
| TuanVu | ah, I got it! | 14:44 |
| TuanVu | thank you in advance, Ihar :) | 14:45 |
| TuanVu | I really appreciate it | 14:45 |
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| ihrachys | as for number of queries test change, I would still like us to understand better what triggers additional queries. | 14:46 |
| TuanVu | yeah, I'll continue to dig deeper | 14:46 |
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| ihrachys | I am hesitant to touch the test case, it's meant to be a sign of a mistake somewhere. I saw you mentioned external network fetch triggering the additional queries. if so, maybe we don't eagerly load a relationship for external attribute. I would need to understand it better but let's focus on facade / detach failures first. | 14:48 |
| ihrachys | ok next patch is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/549168/ "Use Router OVO in l3_db.py" | 14:49 |
| ihrachys | it's all red in CI | 14:49 |
| TuanVu | yeah, sure | 14:49 |
| ihrachys | so I am not sure whether it makes sense to look at it. | 14:49 |
| ihrachys | I don't see any other suspects in the review queue worth discussion. (it became rather calm in terms of new patches lately while we are resolving framework issues with facade and detach...) | 14:50 |
| hungpv | yes, I have some issue | 14:51 |
| ihrachys | does anyone have a patch asking for discussion? | 14:51 |
| ihrachys | hungpv, go | 14:51 |
| hungpv | maybe i'll send you an email to explain ihrachys? | 14:51 |
| hungpv | i'm little tired today | 14:52 |
| lujinluo | one update of A.I from last week. i pushed a follow-up of the new_facade UT fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/553754/ and it is already merged (yay!) | 14:52 |
| ihrachys | hungpv, well yeah but maybe better to keep discussions on gerrit (if there is a patch of course) | 14:52 |
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| TuanVu | congrats, Luo :) | 14:53 |
| mlavalle | lujinluo: it went right in :-) | 14:53 |
| ihrachys | TuanVu, that's actually true about emails you send me. it makes sense to have everything on gerrit, especially now that I may not have as much time for neutron in the near future. | 14:53 |
| ihrachys | lujinluo, oh that's great. | 14:54 |
| lujinluo | mlavalle: yeah. slawek has been very responsive | 14:54 |
| ihrachys | heh. slaweq is an unsung hero of neutron :) | 14:54 |
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| TuanVu | @Ihar: yeah, I intended to post on Gerrit at first, however I forgot my password and password recovery was not working | 14:55 |
| TuanVu | so ... I emailed to you | 14:55 |
| TuanVu | I'll make sure to update on gerrit first next time :) | 14:55 |
| ihrachys | TuanVu, no problem, I am just saying it will better to have it in public eye and for everyone to be able to chime in | 14:55 |
| ihrachys | ok seems like we don't have anything else to discuss today | 14:56 |
| mlavalle | ++ | 14:56 |
| hungpv_ | @ihrachys: sure, I'll keep posting on Gerrit | 14:56 |
| TuanVu | thank you Ihar, I got it :) | 14:56 |
| mlavalle | TuanVu: you are in Ho Chi Minh City, right? | 14:56 |
| ihrachys | thanks lujinluo for stepping in, I really appreciate. I will reach out to you in next week about our plans for passing the role | 14:56 |
| TuanVu | yes, I'm in HCM city timezone | 14:57 |
| lujinluo | ihrachys: understood! | 14:57 |
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| ihrachys | thanks folks! | 14:57 |
| mlavalle | how about you lujinluo and hungpv_.... I what cities are you located? | 14:57 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 14:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 22 14:57:39 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2018/neutron_upgrades.2018-03-22-14.01.html | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2018/neutron_upgrades.2018-03-22-14.01.txt | 14:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2018/neutron_upgrades.2018-03-22-14.01.log.html | 14:57 |
| lujinluo | mlavalle: i am based in Tokyo | 14:58 |
| TuanVu | I and Hung are based in Hanoi | 14:58 |
| lujinluo | mlavalle: hungpv is in HCM timezone too | 14:58 |
| TuanVu | congrats on your new position, Luo-san :D | 14:58 |
| mlavalle | I am in Austin Texas, which is US Central time | 14:58 |
| lujinluo | so, TuanVu and hungpv_ are UTC +7, ana I am UTC +9 | 14:59 |
| hungpv_ | 👍 | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | that's UTC - 5 this time of the ye | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | year | 14:59 |
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| mlavalle | cool | 14:59 |
| lujinluo | oh right, it is summer time now | 14:59 |
| lujinluo | ok, so see you guys next week! | 15:01 |
| lujinluo | have a good day ihrachys and mlavalle | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | lujinluo: you too. Thanks for taking up the challenge :-) | 15:02 |
| TuanVu | thank you guys, see you guys soon ! | 15:02 |
| TuanVu | have a great day ahead, mlavalle :) | 15:02 |
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| hungpv_ | Congrats luo-san. | 15:02 |
| hungpv_ | See you guys | 15:02 |
| lujinluo | mlavalle: thanks for offering me the opportunity to challenge myself | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | TuanVu:, hungpv_, lujinluo: good night! | 15:03 |
| TuanVu | thank you, mlavalle | 15:03 |
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| mlavalle | lujinluo: I know remember that you mentioned in Dublin you are based in Tokyo | 15:07 |
| lujinluo | mlavalle: Haha, yeah. I see now you matched my face and name | 15:08 |
| lujinluo | mlavalle: it was nice talking to you today. I have to get some sleep now. good night :) | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | good night! | 15:09 |
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