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| brutus333 | Running neutron rally tests (included in helm test) on fresh OSH install give intermittent errors due to mysql "Deadlock: wsrep aborted transaction" error. Seems to be related to mysql service sending requests to all mariadb instances. | 14:05 |
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| brutus333 | Is this a known issue? | 14:06 |
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| roman_g | Good morning | 15:00 |
| mattmceuen | #startmeeting openstack-helm | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 10 15:00:44 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mattmceuen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_helm' | 15:00 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Rollcall | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rollcall (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:00 | |
| mattmceuen | Hey roman_g! | 15:01 |
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| srwilkers | o/ | 15:01 |
| lamt | o/ | 15:01 |
| d|k | o | 15:01 |
| roman_g | o/ | 15:01 |
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| gmmaha | o/ | 15:01 |
| rwellum | o/ | 15:01 |
| mattmceuen | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2018-04-10 | 15:01 |
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| mattmceuen | Please add in all the burning topics, questions, etc you would like to discuss today | 15:02 |
| roman_g | I'm listening in. Mostly. | 15:03 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Multiline LMA functionality (srwilkers and jayahn) | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Multiline LMA functionality (srwilkers and jayahn) (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:03 | |
| mattmceuen | srwilkers and jayahn -- anything left to discuss on this one or did you level set offline? | 15:03 |
| srwilkers | ive been working towards something that works here | 15:05 |
| srwilkers | initially, i thought using something like the journald logging driver would close the gap here. after some digging though, using anything but the json-file logging driver results in a loss of the ability to query for logs via kubectl | 15:05 |
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| srwilkers | which is a regression | 15:05 |
| portdirect | this makes me sad panda | 15:06 |
| srwilkers | portdirect: tres sad | 15:06 |
| srwilkers | there are open issues in kubernetes that im watching for any updates, but seems the ability to use journald along with kubectl was removed when CRI was introduced | 15:07 |
| mattmceuen | what's the downside of json-file approach? | 15:07 |
| srwilkers | downside of the json-file approach is that we need to define regex's for each log format we may encounter with osh/osh-infra | 15:07 |
| srwilkers | fluentbit will need a regex to identify the first line in a multiline entry (like stacktraces, etc) | 15:08 |
| srwilkers | just requires some additional work on our end | 15:08 |
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| mattmceuen | gotcha | 15:08 |
| srwilkers | there was some work done a long time ago to try and address this (dulek started it forever ago) that we might be able to leverage as a base if necessary | 15:08 |
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| srwilkers | but really, that's all ive got to say about it | 15:09 |
| mattmceuen | thanks srwilkers | 15:09 |
| roman_g | can we stream logs to the network and capture/process them on separate logging host? kubectl is kinda not supposed to be used for digging into logs. Only for fast lookups. | 15:10 |
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| roman_g | I'm not very competent in the topic, you may ignore question )) | 15:10 |
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| cristicalin | roman_g, that's what fluenbit is doint actually | 15:10 |
| srwilkers | roman_g: thats the idea of having a centralized logging tool like fluentbit. | 15:11 |
| cristicalin | srwilkers, does the journald driver account for multiline though ? | 15:11 |
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| roman_g | yes, journald works well with multiline logs | 15:11 |
| srwilkers | cristicalin: it seemed to handle it better in the initial work i was doing | 15:11 |
| cristicalin | as the stdout/err from containers still gets broken into multiple lines | 15:12 |
| cristicalin | so docker would still see multiple lines and not know they are from the same message | 15:12 |
| cristicalin | or you use openstack loggins to send to journald ? | 15:12 |
| cristicalin | on our end we force openstack log formatting and have looked into using a json formatter | 15:13 |
| cristicalin | works nicely for openstack originated logs but goes into a recursive crash loop for things like sqlalchemy | 15:13 |
| mattmceuen | yikes | 15:14 |
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| cristicalin | here's what we use now, ignore the consul-template bit http://paste.openstack.org/show/718845/ | 15:15 |
| mattmceuen | Just curious cristicalin, what drove you guys to the journald approach? | 15:16 |
| cristicalin | mattmceuen, we don't use journald, just experimented with it | 15:17 |
| cristicalin | we use json-file | 15:17 |
| mattmceuen | ahh gotcha | 15:17 |
| srwilkers | cristicalin: neat. will take a gander later today | 15:19 |
| mattmceuen | srwilkers do we have a good list of all the multiline formats we'll need to support regexes for? | 15:19 |
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| mattmceuen | and/or just address them as we run accross them? | 15:19 |
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| srwilkers | mattmceuen: not at the moment. the openstack services would be the ones to tackle first, then can address the other ones bit by bit | 15:20 |
| mattmceuen | Cool - sounds good to me, thanks | 15:20 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Storyboard for 1.0 integration items | 15:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Storyboard for 1.0 integration items (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:20 | |
| mattmceuen | As you guys know, the Foundation is working to move most projects to use Storyboard instead of Launchpad this cycle | 15:21 |
| mattmceuen | At the PTG we decided we would go with the flow here, rather than being a trailblazer or a laggard | 15:21 |
| mattmceuen | That still means we should start planning for it and find the right time to migrate | 15:22 |
| mattmceuen | We have our 1.0 requirements spec in progress: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/556325/ | 15:22 |
| mattmceuen | That will result in a lot of granular bits that need to be coordinated well and worked quickly across our entire team | 15:23 |
| mattmceuen | So we can get to 1.0 :D | 15:23 |
| mattmceuen | I'm wondering, would it make sense to move to storyboard before we create all those work items, so we don't create them and then immediately migrate them from one system to another? | 15:23 |
| rwellum | How is that related to storyboard? Or storyboard will be used to get to 1.0? | 15:24 |
| mattmceuen | storyboard in this context is just a place to put the work - no direct tie in | 15:24 |
| rwellum | ok | 15:24 |
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| mattmceuen | opinions welcome :) If you're not familiar with storyboard yet, it's an openstack scope management tool created within openstack with openstack-like workflows and collaboration in mind | 15:26 |
| mattmceuen | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard | 15:26 |
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| rwellum | Be interesting to see which projects have converted over. I know I set it up for kolla, but we didn't go to town on it - mainly because bug-tracking seemed way off. | 15:26 |
| cristicalin | octavia has added a few things on their storyboard but not much | 15:27 |
| mattmceuen | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project_group/list | 15:27 |
| mattmceuen | ^ projects that have migrated so far | 15:27 |
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| rwellum | Cool. | 15:28 |
| mattmceuen | I think one thing that would be valuable would be for one of our team to do something of a deep dive into storyboard, see how other projects use it, and help guide OSH into using it well | 15:29 |
| mattmceuen | Anyone interested in taking that on? | 15:29 |
| rwellum | Has it been enabled for osh yet? | 15:29 |
| rwellum | mattmceuen: be happy to take that on, seems like busy-work that could get me more involved in osh community | 15:30 |
| mattmceuen | Somehow an osh project was already created, it's a mystery... I think we'll just recreate it upon migration I think | 15:30 |
| mattmceuen | lol rwellum - that would be much appreciated and I think it'll actually be extremely valuable | 15:31 |
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| rwellum | np | 15:31 |
| mattmceuen | I've gotten feedback from multiple folks that OSH would really benefit from a better-defined community roadmap | 15:31 |
| mattmceuen | And I think migrating to storyboard would be something of a fresh start | 15:31 |
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| rwellum | +1 | 15:32 |
| rwellum | Although you've just described all of OpenStack :) | 15:32 |
| mattmceuen | Well in that case, maybe we can define some good conventions that others can benefit from ;-) | 15:32 |
| mattmceuen | I have some things I will share with ya offline too to give more background | 15:33 |
| rwellum | Talking about roadmap - I did add a relevant topic to the etherpad. | 15:33 |
| rwellum | Sure sounds good - I need to talk to you anyway :) | 15:33 |
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| mattmceuen | nice -- let's segueway right into it, I just have one short thing for later | 15:33 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Support for other releases? Pike, Queens etc | 15:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Support for other releases? Pike, Queens etc (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:33 | |
| portdirect | we do already | 15:34 |
| roman_g | Nancy created storyboard for OSH | 15:34 |
| portdirect | but still need to demonstrate upgrade in the gate i think before moving this into the repo | 15:34 |
| portdirect | as agreed at the ptg | 15:34 |
| portdirect | 'the sugarcubes' | 15:34 |
| mattmceuen | 'the sugarcubes' | 15:34 |
| rwellum | So I am demoing osh to my company tomorrow - you're talking 60+ people, one of the things they are going to ask is releases, and upgrades. | 15:34 |
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| rwellum | So that's good news portdirect | 15:35 |
| portdirect | I've been running master again recently... | 15:35 |
| rwellum | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sugarcubes ?? | 15:35 |
| portdirect | almost as cool | 15:36 |
| portdirect | I'm working on writing up the versioning spec for OSH | 15:36 |
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| rwellum | roman_g: cool, glad we know who did it - I'll look into it more. | 15:36 |
| rwellum | portdirect: great. Let me know if you need a guinea pig? | 15:36 |
| portdirect | and the simplest way to hash it out it was using sugar cubes on a desk | 15:36 |
| mattmceuen | I'm expecting diagrams of sugarcubes in the spec portdirect | 15:37 |
| mattmceuen | ascii | 15:37 |
| portdirect | there was also a teaspoon | 15:37 |
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| portdirect | (to represent upgrade paths) | 15:37 |
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| rwellum | A nice cup of tea to represent falling into an upgrade whirlpool | 15:38 |
| portdirect | no! | 15:38 |
| mattmceuen | Our position overall rwellum is that we want to forge our way to the current release quickly, with gated upgrade support, and non-voting gates for master | 15:38 |
| portdirect | openstack helm makes for nice calming tea | 15:38 |
| portdirect | that may be drunk with the pinky out | 15:38 |
| rwellum | :) | 15:38 |
| mattmceuen | Feel free to share that with your crew and good luck with the presentation :) | 15:38 |
| portdirect | ++ | 15:39 |
| rwellum | mattmceuen:+1 | 15:39 |
| mattmceuen | Last thing on the agenda: | 15:39 |
| mattmceuen | #topic IRC - Slack integration revisited | 15:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "IRC - Slack integration revisited (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:39 | |
| mattmceuen | So a few weeks ago we lamented the fact that Slack was removing its gateway for IRC (etc) integration | 15:40 |
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| mattmceuen | Believeing our Slack-IRC integration would be SOL | 15:40 |
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| mattmceuen | I chatted with cw since then, and he says that the tooling we use for Slack-IRC integration should actually not be impacted by this, that it doesn't use that particular gateway | 15:40 |
| mattmceuen | So that's excellent news :) | 15:41 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Reviews Needed | 15:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reviews Needed (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:41 | |
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| mattmceuen | Anyone have any PS that they'd like to share to get some eyeballs on them? | 15:44 |
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| srwilkers | not at the moment | 15:45 |
| cristicalin | active/passive maria ? | 15:45 |
| srwilkers | actually | 15:45 |
| srwilkers | wouldnt mind some eyes on: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/498929/ | 15:46 |
| mattmceuen | active/passive maria - was chatting w/ portdirect on that and he may have a thought on how to simplify the approach and get it done fast. Can we plan on that for a topic of discussion next meeting cristicalin? | 15:47 |
| cristicalin | yep, will try to make it | 15:47 |
| mattmceuen | awesome - thanks man | 15:48 |
| cristicalin | I'll ping portdirect later during the week as we are also looking into the problem | 15:48 |
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| mattmceuen | perfect | 15:49 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Roundtable | 15:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roundtable (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:49 | |
| mattmceuen | open discussion, anything else on your minds? | 15:49 |
| mattmceuen | Alright guys - good meeting, and have a good week! See you in #openstack-helm | 15:51 |
| mattmceuen | #endmeeting | 15:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:51 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 10 15:51:11 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-04-10-15.00.html | 15:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-04-10-15.00.txt | 15:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-04-10-15.00.log.html | 15:51 |
| Romik | Thank you. | 15:51 |
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