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mattmceuen | #startmeeting openstack-helm | 15:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 24 15:00:52 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mattmceuen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
mattmceuen | #topic rollcall | 15:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_helm' | 15:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:00 | |
cristicalin | o/ | 15:01 |
gagehugo | o/ | 15:01 |
jawonchoo | o/ | 15:01 |
mattmceuen | agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2018-04-24 | 15:01 |
mattmceuen | PLease add anything you'd like to discuss | 15:01 |
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lamt | o/ | 15:02 |
srwilkers | o/ | 15:02 |
rwellum | o/ | 15:03 |
d|k | o/ | 15:03 |
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srwilkers | matt has lost internet connection | 15:04 |
srwilkers | he's coming back | 15:04 |
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mattmceuen | great timing sorry guys :) | 15:04 |
mattmceuen | #topic Vancouver Summit | 15:05 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Vancouver Summit (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:05 | |
mattmceuen | do we have @jayahn in the house? | 15:05 |
mattmceuen | Let's go out of order, this one was something he wanted to discuss | 15:06 |
mattmceuen | #topic 1.0 timeline | 15:06 |
*** openstack changes topic to "1.0 timeline (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:06 | |
mattmceuen | It would be really great if we could reach 1.0 readiness by the Vancouver summit :) | 15:06 |
mattmceuen | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/556325/ -- definition-in-progress of 1.0 | 15:07 |
mattmceuen | It's not something we want to rush into tagging if we're not ready, but I think we should shoot for being ready | 15:07 |
mattmceuen | we'd discussed using storyboard as a way to coordinate this work | 15:08 |
mattmceuen | rwellum, do you have a feel yet for risk / work involved with migrating? | 15:09 |
mattmceuen | storyboard is another thing we don't want to rush, but if it's low hanging fruit and ready, then we could start creating work items stat | 15:10 |
* srwilkers scurries off for coffee | 15:10 | |
mattmceuen | All it takes is one mention of scope management tooling to make srwilkers run for the door | 15:11 |
rwellum | mattmceuen: spent a little time, but nothing conclusive yet. I have been watching Ironic - which is the biggest project to use it so far. | 15:11 |
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rwellum | I'm off traveling this week but I'll get something out by early next if that's ok? | 15:11 |
mattmceuen | Yup, that would be perfect | 15:12 |
mattmceuen | If we can get the spec merged by next week, and then start entering / assigning out work items (in launchpad or storyboard as appropriate) next week, that will set us up well I think | 15:12 |
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mattmceuen | anything else on this topic | 15:13 |
rwellum | I thought the spec was really good btw | 15:13 |
* srwilkers grumbles about people leaving empty coffee pots | 15:13 | |
mattmceuen | Awesome, thanks rwellum | 15:14 |
mattmceuen | #topic Adding ldap integration to Elasticsearch, Kibana, Grafana, Prometheus | 15:14 |
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mattmceuen | Channel your grumpiness into some LMA for us srwilkers | 15:14 |
srwilkers | so currently, elasticsearch, kibana and grafana are all just relying on basic auth | 15:14 |
srwilkers | which is fine for kicking the tires somewhat, but doesnt necessarily provide a meaningful solution beyond that | 15:15 |
srwilkers | i've been working on using the ldap chart in openstack-helm as a reference for providing authentication via ldap for those services | 15:15 |
srwilkers | it required a change in the elasticsearch and kibana charts since they're using an apache reverse proxy to front those containers. the changed involved moving the host configuration into values to verify it works | 15:16 |
srwilkers | i plan on including docs on how to use it and the necessary configuration parameters to take into account when looking to use it | 15:16 |
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srwilkers | i think doing it in this manner makes sense at the moment, as the values-driven model allows an operator to provide overrides to further restrict the access certain groups and users have to specific paths for those services | 15:17 |
srwilkers | but i'd also appreciate feedback on those | 15:17 |
mattmceuen | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/563270/ (grafana) | 15:18 |
mattmceuen | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/563260/ (kibana/apache) | 15:18 |
mattmceuen | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/543553/ (prometheus, basic auth first) | 15:18 |
srwilkers | grafana's got built in support for ldap, so its being handled differently. it's just a matter of finding the appropriate binds and group mappings to use at this point i think | 15:18 |
srwilkers | its not quite there yet but close | 15:18 |
srwilkers | prometheus currently has no sort of auth mechanism, but ive got a patchset to add the same functionality the elasticsearch and kibana charts have | 15:18 |
mattmceuen | I know the ldap integration has been an interesting journey - any outstanding questions to pose while we have everyone's eyeballs here? | 15:19 |
srwilkers | that's all i really had on it for the moment. ive been chewing on whether ldap integration for prometheus is required | 15:20 |
srwilkers | almost thinking it just needs to be locked up, as grafana can be used to display all the pretty dashboards to anyone authorized to view them | 15:21 |
srwilkers | that does restrict access to prometheus, but ive always been skeptical of giving free reign to the prometheus endpoint to an authenticated user | 15:21 |
mattmceuen | Agree | 15:22 |
srwilkers | but thats it for me | 15:22 |
mattmceuen | Locking up prometheus may be a good Plan A in any case, we can always expose it with some kind of auth tie-in later if use cases come up and someone does the work :) | 15:22 |
srwilkers | yeah, thats what im thinking | 15:22 |
mattmceuen | cool | 15:23 |
mattmceuen | Thanks srwilkers. | 15:23 |
mattmceuen | Next one is your topic as well | 15:23 |
mattmceuen | #topic Ceph radosgw s3 api for Elastic Curator | 15:23 |
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srwilkers | this is one of those situations where you come to hate something you introduced in the past | 15:23 |
srwilkers | currently the elasticsearch chart supports creating a RWM backed PVC to use as a filesystem snapshot repository for ealstucsearch | 15:24 |
srwilkers | i thought it'd be great to have a default mechanism for using elastic curator to take snapshots of the indices and place them in a PVC | 15:24 |
srwilkers | problem is that requires some method for provisioning RWM volumes, which may not always be an option | 15:25 |
srwilkers | so to get around that, I've been working on using the s3 ceph radosgw api to provide the ability to use the s3 repository type for elasticsearch | 15:25 |
srwilkers | this brings us back in line to being able to use ceph to back our snapshot repositories, which i think is a good thing | 15:26 |
srwilkers | it's been a bit touchy along the way, but im very close to having this functional in the elasticsearch chart | 15:26 |
jayahn | o/ | 15:26 |
mattmceuen | That's awesome and thanks for sharing this in progress | 15:26 |
mattmceuen | o/ jay! | 15:26 |
srwilkers | im also using this as a shameless plug for a blogpost, as there's not a single clear walkthrough i could find with my googlefu | 15:27 |
srwilkers | so i plan on sharing what i did for anyone else looking to use the s3 rgw api in the future | 15:27 |
srwilkers | thats all i had really | 15:28 |
mattmceuen | So the reason s3 radosgw > cephfs-PVC approach is because older kernels don't support cephfs, right? Will radosgw also be better performance? | 15:28 |
srwilkers | well, thats part of it. the alternative would be to use something like NFS, but not everyone wants to use NFS either | 15:28 |
portdirect | Object storage > filesystem here | 15:29 |
srwilkers | yep. performance-wise, should be roughly the same as the bulk of the work is Elasticsearch performing the snapshots of the indices i think | 15:30 |
mattmceuen | cool beans | 15:30 |
srwilkers | at the end, it just dumps the compressed snapshot wherever youve pointed it at | 15:30 |
mattmceuen | gotcha | 15:30 |
mattmceuen | jayahn you are up! | 15:31 |
jayahn | i am | 15:31 |
mattmceuen | #topic Vancouver Summit Talks | 15:31 |
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* srwilkers coffee scurry 2.0 | 15:31 | |
jayahn | sorry, i fall asleep.... | 15:31 |
mattmceuen | no problemo at all | 15:31 |
mattmceuen | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2018-04-24 | 15:31 |
mattmceuen | I can start :) | 15:31 |
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mattmceuen | For the talk I have w/ you and Seungkyu - I have a draft ppt to share with you, will get it in your inbox for tomorrow morning | 15:32 |
jayahn | vancouver summit | 15:32 |
jayahn | great! | 15:32 |
mattmceuen | It's a lightning talk, I probably already have too many slides :D let's drink lots of coffee first | 15:32 |
jayahn | :) | 15:33 |
mattmceuen | Ok -- workshop talk, want to share your thoughts? | 15:33 |
jayahn | yeah 10 min talk | 15:33 |
jayahn | hands-on workshop | 15:33 |
jayahn | certainly we need more people assisting workshop, and I would like to have one of "native" english speaker to lead "presentation" part of workshop. | 15:34 |
* jayahn try to decide if pete is native or its own kind. :) | 15:34 | |
jayahn | for actual hands-on demo, | 15:35 |
jayahn | openstack-helm deployment + lma deployment would be basic step to do. | 15:36 |
jayahn | I would like to ask if we need to do version update as a part of hands-on. | 15:36 |
mattmceuen | I think version update would be pretty powerful | 15:37 |
jayahn | then, we need to decide from which to which | 15:37 |
mattmceuen | Thinking back to what we did last time vs what we could do this time - would be great to get some snazzy new things in there so we're not repeating ourselves | 15:37 |
mattmceuen | LMA is a great add in that regard | 15:37 |
mattmceuen | How about newton->ocata? | 15:38 |
jayahn | but, newton is pretty old one. | 15:38 |
mattmceuen | (LMA: let's actually have them log into grafana) | 15:38 |
mattmceuen | There are two arguments to made for versions -- 1) newton->ocata is really good because that's what we'll be gating for 1.0. 2) ocata->(newer) would be a good preview of the fact that OSH works well with newer versions, even thought the gates haven't caught up yet | 15:39 |
jayahn | yeap. | 15:40 |
jayahn | exactly | 15:40 |
mattmceuen | The version that we upgrade to should be something we're pretty comfortable with I think | 15:40 |
jayahn | 1) vs 2) what you guys think? | 15:40 |
mattmceuen | Because folks will take the scripts home and use them for standing things up | 15:40 |
srwilkers | I’m comfortable with 1. That’s my take though | 15:41 |
rwellum | I agree stick to the 1.0 deliverable. | 15:42 |
jayahn | okay. | 15:42 |
mattmceuen | I think #1 is good, along with a spoken note that we are targeting Newton & Ocata for 1.0, and that our next order of business post-1.0 will be to gate newer versions of OpenStack (which largely already work with OSH) | 15:43 |
mattmceuen | One more reason to have 1.0 ready by Vancouver if possible :) | 15:43 |
mattmceuen | Pete is multitasking right now, but Im sure he'll be good with speaking based on conversations I've had with him | 15:44 |
jayahn | then, we probably need to describe very well about openstack-helm chart being independent from openstack versions. we can surely support newer versions of openstack. | 15:44 |
mattmceuen | Good idea. a brief sugar cube diagram :) | 15:45 |
jayahn | i really don't want to give a negative feeling about openstack-helm being only capable of deploying old openstack. | 15:45 |
jayahn | sugar cube diagram! | 15:45 |
jayahn | love it. | 15:45 |
rwellum | +1 | 15:46 |
mattmceuen | Would it be possible to get overrides created for newer versions, and ideally experimental gates for them too, by then? | 15:46 |
jayahn | i think it is matter of minute to add experimental gates for ocata, probably for much newer ones. | 15:47 |
jayahn | personally, i think ocata to pike is very doable. :) | 15:48 |
mattmceuen | That's excellent, and agree 100% on Pike doability. With gates in place I'd feel much more comfortable promoting Ocata->Pike. | 15:48 |
jayahn | but, also agrees on reason to pick #1 | 15:48 |
mattmceuen | well #1 can be fallback in any case | 15:49 |
jayahn | sure thing. :) | 15:49 |
mattmceuen | Should just be a matter of switching the overrides file | 15:49 |
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mattmceuen | Do we have a solution planned for the VMs for the workshop? | 15:49 |
jayahn | yeap | 15:49 |
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rwellum | I almost feel you guys should consider skipping a release - jump straight to Queens. I mean you're not 1.0 yet - so can assume that customers coming onboard post 1.0 will want the latest? | 15:50 |
mattmceuen | woooot jayahn | 15:50 |
jayahn | that is very good and serious question | 15:50 |
mattmceuen | post-1.0 will definitely want the latest | 15:50 |
jayahn | nope. my "yeap" is a bit late typing answer | 15:50 |
jayahn | not to your VM question | 15:50 |
portdirect | we need to get them sorted asap | 15:51 |
portdirect | as without this the workshop is dead in the water. | 15:51 |
jayahn | i know. | 15:51 |
jayahn | I will try to find "VM donors" more, but | 15:52 |
jayahn | do you guys have any potential sponsor? | 15:52 |
rwellum | Sometime OS infra provides resources? | 15:52 |
srwilkers | rwellum: i'd like to see something like the version used in the user survey. i wouldnt necessarily assume everyones wanting to use latest | 15:53 |
mattmceuen | We don't have any approval for funding the VMs or other sponsors identified, do you have any ideas for sponsors? | 15:54 |
mattmceuen | srwilkers developers want to be running the latest on their laptops, that much is true :) | 15:54 |
mattmceuen | But good point - from a prod perspective definitely not, and that's why the 1.0 / post-1.0 distinction is important | 15:55 |
rwellum | srwilkers: agreed. But other projects are caught up (kolla-ansible) etc - and my company are on queens right now - so to pitch them osh I personally need the latest. But I know that's just one voice. | 15:55 |
srwilkers | mattmceuen: nothing wrong with that, we'll get there. just cant see those wanting to use this in a prod like environment wanting to use latest | 15:55 |
jayahn | skt currently does not have a good public cloud service. most of things are internal usage only. getting VMs with public internal access is damn hard. | 15:55 |
portdirect | we also need a decent level of iops | 15:56 |
jayahn | is it possible to show "some company's logo" on our hands-on demo slide? | 15:56 |
jayahn | If that company provides VMs? | 15:56 |
rwellum | Quick change to Horizon is easy | 15:56 |
portdirect | last we need a min spec of: 30gb Ram, 4vCPU, 80Gb GP2 SSD | 15:56 |
rwellum | jayahn: ^^^ | 15:57 |
portdirect | before we discuss branding - and of course we can | 15:57 |
portdirect | lets get the hw issue resolved | 15:57 |
jayahn | i am trying to get my weapon to get VM sponsors :) | 15:57 |
portdirect | it was approx $600 for AWS last time | 15:58 |
mattmceuen | at the last summit, we used a public cloud provider behind the scenes, and the only branding was AT&T & SKT as far as I remember :) | 15:58 |
* mattmceuen super secret public cloud provider there | 15:58 | |
rwellum | Sorry - just want to repeat - in previous workshops I think OpenStack Infra has provided some resources? Maybe just imagining this. | 15:58 |
mattmceuen | I didn't realize that rwellum | 15:59 |
portdirect | OVH has typically in the past | 15:59 |
mattmceuen | yikes, lost track of time | 15:59 |
jayahn | 1 min left for the meeing | 15:59 |
mattmceuen | t-minus one minute | 15:59 |
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portdirect | though i think we may have missed the window there? though worth checkinh | 15:59 |
mattmceuen | Going to have to table - feel free to continue discussin in the chat room! | 15:59 |
rwellum | Any chance on getting a +W for: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/562097/ ? :) | 15:59 |
mattmceuen | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:59 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 24 15:59:50 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-04-24-15.00.html | 15:59 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-04-24-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-04-24-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
srwilkers | done | 15:59 |
rwellum | ty | 16:00 |
mattmceuen | thanks all! | 16:00 |
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jayahn | so back to osh channel? | 16:00 |
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