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| mattmceuen | #startmeeting openstack-helm | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 19 15:00:41 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mattmceuen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:00 | |
| mattmceuen | #topic rollcall | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_helm' | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:00 | |
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| mattmceuen | GM all | 15:01 |
| mattmceuen | Here's our agenda for today's OpenStack-Helm meeting: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2018-06-19 | 15:01 |
| rwellum | o/ | 15:01 |
| mattmceuen | Please add anything to it you'd like to discuss, PS needing review, etc! | 15:01 |
| radeks | o/ | 15:01 |
| mattmceuen | o/ | 15:01 |
| srwilkers | o/ | 15:02 |
| portdirect | o/ | 15:02 |
| rwellum | mattmceuen: radeks is from my team, we're going to be slowly attending more and doing more with osh as I've spoken about before. | 15:03 |
| mattmceuen | Welcome radeks! | 15:03 |
| mattmceuen | Glad to have you with us :) | 15:03 |
| roman_g | o/ | 15:04 |
| mattmceuen | Alrighty - first off do we have Robert Choi in the house? | 15:04 |
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| mattmceuen | (o/ roman_g!) | 15:04 |
| mattmceuen | He's got the first agenda item, but we can come back to him if he's not on yet. | 15:04 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Doc Update Touchpoint | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Doc Update Touchpoint (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:05 | |
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| mattmceuen | For anyone new around here, our documentation is a key area we want to enhance, grow, and groom | 15:05 |
| portdirect | from reading the etherpad, im not sure if he or jayahn are here today? | 15:05 |
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| portdirect | +++ to that mattmceuen :) | 15:05 |
| mattmceuen | oh, maybe I misunderstood "next week" -- maybe Robert meant next next week :) | 15:05 |
| mattmceuen | We've been capturing some enhancements that should be made to the Multinode Install guide here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-multinode-doc | 15:06 |
| jayahn | i am here, but stuck in different meeting and task. | 15:07 |
| mattmceuen | I've started implementing a number of bits in this PS: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-multinode-doc | 15:07 |
| mattmceuen | Hey jayahn! | 15:07 |
| jayahn | we meant next week irc meeting. | 15:07 |
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| roman_g | I saw PS from Matt, would review today/tomorrow. One thing I would add is answer to the question | 15:07 |
| mattmceuen | Cool thanks for clarifying :) for now I'll just paste in your agenda note for general awareness at the end, since that's good to be aware of | 15:08 |
| mattmceuen | ^ jayahn | 15:08 |
| roman_g | "What to do next once installation finishes?" | 15:08 |
| mattmceuen | Thanks in advance roman_g | 15:08 |
| rwellum | Wrong link mattmceuen ? | 15:08 |
| portdirect | roman_g: use openstack - and be happy? | 15:09 |
| lamt | o/ running late | 15:09 |
| srwilkers | portdirect: hehe | 15:09 |
| mattmceuen | whoops | 15:09 |
| roman_g | portdirect: Matt: add link to https://docs.openstack.org/openstack-helm/latest/install/developer/exercise-the-cloud.html to the bottom of Multinode install page. | 15:09 |
| mattmceuen | Someday I will master the art of copy and paste | 15:09 |
| mattmceuen | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/576342/ | 15:09 |
| roman_g | @sigit in Slack was asking on #openstack-helm on Thursday, where could he get openrc file | 15:11 |
| roman_g | and that exercise-the-cloud.html is the answer | 15:11 |
| mattmceuen | So for that one roman_g, I think we could potentially copy a use-it script to the multinode install batch of scripts, rather than cross-linking from the multinode guide back to the dev scripts. | 15:12 |
| roman_g | or just move this file from /developer/ subdir to one level up to /install/ | 15:13 |
| portdirect | roman_g: we just need to get better at refacoring what we have | 15:13 |
| mattmceuen | However, the use-it script makes some assumptions around network setup, etc... not sure if that's a good idea for a multinode setup or not. What do you think portdirect | 15:13 |
| portdirect | for example the openrc is at the bottom of here: https://docs.openstack.org/openstack-helm/latest/install/developer/exercise-the-cloud.html | 15:13 |
| portdirect | mattmceuen: totally agree | 15:13 |
| portdirect | at the end of the multinode guide - we should have a 'real' openstack deployment | 15:13 |
| mattmceuen | I suppose we could leave the scripts as-is and then just say at the bottom of the multinode guide something like, "for examples of how to exercise your new OSH cloud, please see <link> the developer guide" | 15:14 |
| portdirect | which means the dev-kick-the-tyres script wont be relevant in 99% of cases. | 15:14 |
| portdirect | we should find actual openstack docs on cloud use - and link there | 15:14 |
| portdirect | if they dont exist, lets make them | 15:15 |
| portdirect | as it should be the same regardless of deployment system: osh, osa, kolla, trippleo etc | 15:15 |
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| mattmceuen | ++ | 15:16 |
| mattmceuen | I added that to the etherpad | 15:17 |
| mattmceuen | rwellum, I haven't gone through your additions to the etherpad yet in detail | 15:18 |
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| mattmceuen | Do you want to talk through them in brief here? | 15:18 |
| rwellum | Yeah - for the most part it's digging out 'things' from the various playbooks that I was taking for granted when running the AIO | 15:19 |
| rwellum | I mainly have issues with ceph - I still think some fundamentals are missing | 15:20 |
| mattmceuen | What are you working toward with that - do you see the assumptions making it back into the multinode guide? Or something standalone? | 15:20 |
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| rwellum | I am a little on the fence here - because to take the guide away from executing the gate scripts is quite a big step. | 15:21 |
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| rwellum | Maybe a third guide is in order? | 15:21 |
| portdirect | im not sure i quite agree | 15:21 |
| portdirect | in that once you had k8s setup, with hosts able to resolve k8s services dns, and ceph-common on the host | 15:22 |
| portdirect | what more is/was required, other than building the charts? | 15:22 |
| rwellum | Nothing - agreed | 15:22 |
| rwellum | Yeah I regressed :( - I don't know why ceph is acting up for me now. | 15:23 |
| portdirect | so from this point on: https://docs.openstack.org/openstack-helm/latest/install/multinode.html#deploy-openstack-helm | 15:23 |
| portdirect | the guide should be totally agnostic of k8s deployment tooling | 15:23 |
| portdirect | provided the above criteria are met | 15:23 |
| mattmceuen | So after the PS above, the next PS I'll put in will split out the AIO setup entirely | 15:24 |
| rwellum | There's a few assumptions regarding number of nodes etc - in the multinode scripts I believe - or? | 15:24 |
| portdirect | nice - i think getting this in - even if we just have a stub for the above points will really help | 15:24 |
| mattmceuen | The idea is that the new multinode guide will still link to it as an example way to set up a dev-grade k8s cluster, but also to link out to more legit ways to set up a k8s cluster for prod use | 15:25 |
| portdirect | ++ | 15:25 |
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| rwellum | ok I can buy into that | 15:26 |
| mattmceuen | That may help us refer out to good ways to stand up clusters independently of the rest of the guide, and avoid guide sprawl | 15:26 |
| portdirect | agreed - we are already at risk of that - eg the multiple places we tell you how to set up sudo :) | 15:27 |
| mattmceuen | I'll take a look at your material in there rwellum and chew on it as well with an eye toward how it can best fit in | 15:27 |
| mattmceuen | So speaking of the troubleshooting doc - we also have an etherpad for that one https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-troubleshooting | 15:28 |
| rwellum | Ok - I also will document how I create the k8s cluster - as a potential example - but also on the fence because really - we don't need another k8s deployer :) | 15:28 |
| rwellum | And it's as portdirect says - osh is agnostic | 15:28 |
| mattmceuen | Def don't spend too much time on anything that you don't think would be valuable to others, though rwellum - some things are always going to be operator-specific | 15:29 |
| portdirect | rwellum: can we not just link to kubead, kubespray and other community proejcts? | 15:29 |
| srwilkers | portdirect: that would be the sane thing to do | 15:29 |
| roman_g | link to the kubernetes - the hard way ;) | 15:30 |
| mattmceuen | HAHA | 15:30 |
| portdirect | ^^ actually we 100% should | 15:30 |
| srwilkers | i think it's important we reduce how much kubernetes specific documentation/support we offer | 15:30 |
| srwilkers | the hard way is how i learned | 15:30 |
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| srwilkers | it's actually pretty good | 15:31 |
| portdirect | as virtually every deployment tool is based on it | 15:31 |
| roman_g | same here | 15:31 |
| rwellum | Yeah agreed | 15:31 |
| mattmceuen | Yup I'm planning on linky-ing in the next PS, if you have any recommendations for good installers / guides etc for prod use please add them to the multinode etherpad! | 15:31 |
| roman_g | it's nearly production install. | 15:31 |
| mattmceuen | So for troubleshooting: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-troubleshooting | 15:32 |
| mattmceuen | At the very very bottom I stashed a couple of errors I ran into during my recent multinode install adventure | 15:32 |
| mattmceuen | Symptom: one MDS started fine, but another died, complaining in the logs about a feature flags incompability. | 15:32 |
| mattmceuen | Cause: This error was caused by an old version of `docker.io/ceph/daemon:tag-build-master-luminous-ubuntu-16.04` being cached on one node, which was incompatible with a newer version on another node. | 15:32 |
| mattmceuen | Resolution: Pull the updated docker image on the node with the sad mds | 15:32 |
| mattmceuen | Error message: mds.mds-ceph-mds-65bb45dffc-qfqnr handle_mds_map mdsmap compatset compat={},rocompat={},incompat={1=base v0.20,2=client writeable ranges,3=default file layouts on dirs,4=dir inode in separate object,5=mds uses versioned encoding,6=dirfrag is stored in omap,8=no anchor table,9=file layout v2} not writeable with daemon features compat={},rocompat={},incompat={1=base v0.20,2=client writeable | 15:32 |
| mattmceuen | ranges,3=default file layouts on dirs,4=dir inode in separate object,5=mds uses versioned encoding,6=dirfrag is stored in omap,7=mds uses inline data,8=file layout v2}, killing myself | 15:32 |
| mattmceuen | Symptom: kube-system ingress (host networking) is running and openstack ingress (non-host networking) is failing | 15:32 |
| mattmceuen | Cause: The default calico pod subnet conflicts with a preexisting subnet in this environment | 15:32 |
| mattmceuen | Resolution: in the multinode-vars.yaml file, override the default via `kubernetes_cluster_pod_subnet: 10.25.0.0/16` | 15:32 |
| mattmceuen | Error message: Readiness probe failed: Get http://192.168.23.131:10254/healthz: dial tcp 192.168.23.131:10254: getsockopt: connection refused | 15:32 |
| srwilkers | well, i dont know if i'd say a production installation necessarily, but i like that it gives people exposure to whats going on, instead of just throwing kubeadm at the wall and getting a cluster | 15:33 |
| srwilkers | but thats just me | 15:33 |
| mattmceuen | IRC rendered that sadly -- that's two different errors. But the point is that I think this might be a straightforward approach to recording and helping people solve common issues | 15:33 |
| rwellum | There's a 'WHAT'S NEXT!!' placeholder in that guide too - I added, my subtle way of asking for a core who knows osh to add to it. | 15:33 |
| mattmceuen | Symptom / Cause / Resolution / Error Message | 15:33 |
| rwellum | +1 mattmceuen | 15:33 |
| mattmceuen | short & sweet & googleable | 15:33 |
| portdirect | sounds good | 15:34 |
| portdirect | if we can get a nice start on this | 15:34 |
| mattmceuen | Interested in feedback, is that what a troubleshooting guide should look like? | 15:34 |
| portdirect | then we should try to answer questions via irc/slack as ps's | 15:34 |
| portdirect | so they are kept as reference | 15:34 |
| mattmceuen | I like that | 15:34 |
| portdirect | i find that 90% of support is answering the same things | 15:35 |
| rwellum | My thought for the TS guide is that before someone opens a bug on osh, we guide them to this guide. | 15:35 |
| mattmceuen | ++ | 15:35 |
| portdirect | and its my bad for not documenting them, but this would lower the barrier to that loads mattmceuen | 15:35 |
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| mattmceuen | Cool, I will add those couple errors as a start into the TS guide and we squint at it, and then continually add to it | 15:36 |
| mattmceuen | Alright - anything else on the Doc front before moving along? | 15:36 |
| mattmceuen | Good discussion guys and appreciate all the attention on this since last week | 15:37 |
| mattmceuen | Alrighty srwilkers you're up! | 15:37 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Logging Updates | 15:37 |
| srwilkers | cool | 15:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Logging Updates (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:37 | |
| mattmceuen | fluentbit sidecar for ceph-mon and ceph-osd: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/575832/ | 15:37 |
| mattmceuen | change to logging.conf for openstack services: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/576001/ | 15:37 |
| srwilkers | i've proposed adding fluentbit sidecars to the ceph-mon and ceph-osd charts, to allow us to gather the logs that get placed in /var/log/ceph in those pods | 15:38 |
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| rwellum | My question here srwilkers was why not make it a default? | 15:38 |
| portdirect | as that creats a hard dependency on fluentd | 15:39 |
| srwilkers | rwellum: it's set as a default currently as we don't deploy fluentd in the single or multinode gates for openstack-helm | 15:39 |
| srwilkers | and what portdirect said | 15:39 |
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| portdirect | and we want these charts to be compose able simply | 15:40 |
| srwilkers | it follows what we've done with the prometheus exporters tied to things like rabbitmq and mariadb -- we leave them disabled by default so as not to create dependencies or assumptions | 15:40 |
| srwilkers | but for those who want to use it, it provides additional insight into ceph logged events | 15:40 |
| portdirect | also leaves the door open for people to add alternate log aggregators | 15:41 |
| rwellum | Ok makes sense | 15:41 |
| srwilkers | in addition, we can also use the tags on the logged events to possibly add some sane fluentd filters in the future if we want | 15:42 |
| mattmceuen | srwilkers for the logging.conf change - looks awesome; would it prevent openstack logs from going to stdout by default? I.e. breaking kubectl logs? | 15:43 |
| srwilkers | no. you can define multiple handlers | 15:43 |
| mattmceuen | neat | 15:43 |
| rwellum | There's a difference between fluentbit and fluentd though right? | 15:44 |
| srwilkers | but the cool thing with that change is that for any version >= ocata, we can use the fluent formatters | 15:44 |
| mattmceuen | that will be really great then | 15:44 |
| portdirect | srwilkers: I'll get some new images published with that over the next 48 hours | 15:44 |
| srwilkers | rwellum: functionality is the same, but the big difference is that fluentbit has a much smaller resource footprint than fluentd | 15:44 |
| rwellum | Yeah was confused because you said fluentbit sidecars | 15:45 |
| srwilkers | so we use fluentbit for the sidecar, then forward the messages to a fluentd serving as an aggregator | 15:45 |
| rwellum | Yeah makese sense | 15:45 |
| rwellum | I'll go read the PS again | 15:45 |
| srwilkers | but the fluent formatter and handler for the openstack services makes me happy, as we can send the logs directly to fluentd | 15:45 |
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| srwilkers | instead of stdout > fluentbit > fluentd | 15:46 |
| srwilkers | this also gets us something we've wanted for awhile | 15:46 |
| srwilkers | using the fluent formatter and handler gets us full stacktraces when they're raised | 15:46 |
| mattmceuen | woo hoo!! | 15:47 |
| srwilkers | can also get us tags for things like the project name, host name, etc | 15:47 |
| mattmceuen | stacktraces - the most important part of logging :) | 15:47 |
| srwilkers | and since the services get a unique tag, we can define filters in fluentd in the future | 15:47 |
| srwilkers | ie: do this for nova, do this for neutron, etc | 15:47 |
| srwilkers | can also take the recent updates to the fluent-logging chart and create multiple indices in elasticsearch, and use the project tags to create indices per openstack service if your heart so desired | 15:48 |
| srwilkers | but as mentioned, you do need at least ocata to use that formatter | 15:49 |
| srwilkers | but even if you dont, i still feel this gives an operator greater control over what they want to see and how | 15:49 |
| rwellum | Have to bow out a little early today - will continue with deployment this afternoon and will bug the IRC :) | 15:49 |
| mattmceuen | Thanks rwellum! Looking forward to seeing the success and/or fallout! :) | 15:50 |
| srwilkers | that's it for me | 15:50 |
| mattmceuen | Thanks srwilkers - that's awesome | 15:50 |
| mattmceuen | Looking forward to playing with that :) | 15:50 |
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| mattmceuen | #topic topics for next time | 15:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "topics for next time (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:50 | |
| mattmceuen | Just one thing to get in front of y'all -- a request for a discussion next week | 15:50 |
| mattmceuen | Support multi versions of Rally - Let's have some time to think about it and discuss again next week. | 15:50 |
| mattmceuen | There is a little more discussion / brainstorming in the agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2018-06-19 | 15:51 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Roundtable | 15:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roundtable (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:51 | |
| mattmceuen | We have 9 minutes left - anything else you would like to discuss? | 15:51 |
| mattmceuen | Or also - any PS urgently needing review? | 15:52 |
| portdirect | oh this is pretty cool: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/570658/ | 15:53 |
| portdirect | to be honest, I'm kinda suprised it works at all | 15:53 |
| portdirect | but would be really nice to have | 15:53 |
| portdirect | I'm not sure how we could gate it | 15:53 |
| mattmceuen | https://twitter.com/IanFromATT/status/1008815392016551941 | 15:53 |
| portdirect | and also really uncomfortable with some of the things it does | 15:54 |
| mattmceuen | I sense a third party gate hooked up to a macbook portdirect | 15:54 |
| srwilkers | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/575157/ | 15:54 |
| portdirect | as messing with a mac deployment (ie doeploying homebrew etc) is kinda bad i think | 15:54 |
| portdirect | as most people wont want to redeploy their mac to clean up an env... | 15:54 |
| portdirect | but with some changes, could be super valuable | 15:55 |
| srwilkers | portdirect: yeah, im not a huge fan of that one | 15:55 |
| mattmceuen | Alright guys - unless there's anything else I can give you a full 3 minutes back | 15:56 |
| mattmceuen | Thanks! | 15:56 |
| mattmceuen | #endmeeting | 15:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:56 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 19 15:56:49 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-06-19-15.00.html | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-06-19-15.00.txt | 15:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-06-19-15.00.log.html | 15:56 |
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