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| portdirect | hey all - gonna give it a few mins | 15:02 |
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| mattmceuen | o/ | 15:02 |
| jayahn | o/ | 15:03 |
| srwilkers | o/ | 15:03 |
| portdirect | #startmeeting openstack-helm | 15:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 4 15:04:18 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is portdirect. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_helm' | 15:04 |
| portdirect | ok - think it's gonna be a quite one this week in the build up to the PTG | 15:04 |
| evrardjp | o/ | 15:04 |
| portdirect | the agenda is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2018-09-04 | 15:05 |
| jayahn | do we have a meeting schedule somewhere? | 15:05 |
| jayahn | ptg meeting | 15:05 |
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| evrardjp | jayahn: an important clarification :) | 15:05 |
| portdirect | jayahn: we have three days - wed to friday | 15:05 |
| mattmceuen | https://web14.openstack.org/assets/ptg/Denver-map.pdf | 15:05 |
| srwilkers | mattmceuen had an etherpad started with topics i think | 15:05 |
| portdirect | https://www.openstack.org/assets/ptg/PTG-Dulin-Schedule.pdf | 15:05 |
| portdirect | lol whould help if google cached the right one - thx mattmceuen | 15:06 |
| evrardjp | do we know how many will show up? | 15:06 |
| evrardjp | (guesstimate) | 15:07 |
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| jayahn | i am leaving on Friday, so I will be able to attend wed and thur | 15:07 |
| mattmceuen | So far on the etherpad we have | 15:07 |
| mattmceuen | Attendance: | 15:07 |
| mattmceuen | Matt McEuen (mattmceuen) | 15:07 |
| mattmceuen | Rich Wellum (rwellum) | 15:07 |
| mattmceuen | Pete Birley (portdirect) | 15:07 |
| mattmceuen | James Gu (jamesgu) | 15:07 |
| mattmceuen | But I know that's not the full list :) | 15:07 |
| portdirect | I think probably 5-10 people throughout the duration based on previous exp evrardjp | 15:07 |
| portdirect | will you be able to spare some time from OSA? | 15:08 |
| evrardjp | I'll try to come, but I will be spread very thin, so if we have a schedule, that would help me :) | 15:08 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: OSA, Loci and others :) | 15:08 |
| portdirect | #action portdirect to work out a schedule and send out by thurs this week | 15:08 |
| evrardjp | thanks portdirect | 15:08 |
| evrardjp | still on the PTG topic, what about having dinner together -- maybe hosted at the same location as OSA's team dinner? | 15:09 |
| evrardjp | the more the merrier -- war stories to share | 15:09 |
| portdirect | evrardjp: that would be great, do you have a venue yet? | 15:09 |
| evrardjp | nope, previous one closed, but we have a short list. | 15:09 |
| evrardjp | Will probably do that on Wednesday, as there is an activity planned by the foundation on Thursday (game night) | 15:10 |
| evrardjp | iirc | 15:10 |
| portdirect | that sounds great - I'll certainly try to make it regardless | 15:11 |
| jayahn | what is OSA? | 15:11 |
| srwilkers | jayahn: openstack-ansible | 15:11 |
| jayahn | ah.. | 15:11 |
| evrardjp | jayahn: :) | 15:11 |
| portdirect | we stole their abbreviation ;) | 15:11 |
| jayahn | certainly | 15:11 |
| evrardjp | We are not into fancy names, we are just caring about our stuff working and improving :p | 15:12 |
| portdirect | ++ | 15:12 |
| SamYaple | so many names it went through | 15:12 |
| evrardjp | SamYaple: :) | 15:12 |
| evrardjp | SamYaple: final one is official! | 15:12 |
| evrardjp | anyway | 15:12 |
| SamYaple | agreed, its the best one. /derail | 15:12 |
| evrardjp | sorry for the interruption. I have said everything I wanted to say on this topic :) | 15:13 |
| portdirect | mattmceuen: you want to talk about the fun topic of copyright? | 15:13 |
| mattmceuen | yessir | 15:13 |
| mattmceuen | ok | 15:13 |
| mattmceuen | So as I mentioned last week I changed the copyright assigned to the "OpenStack-Helm Authors" to the OSF | 15:14 |
| mattmceuen | We'd discussed and I had it on good authority that that was the right path | 15:14 |
| mattmceuen | However the larger OSF found some issues with that approach | 15:14 |
| mattmceuen | So we reverted | 15:14 |
| mattmceuen | We are back to OpenStack-Helm Authors, and everyone please follow your corporation's or your personal copyright policy as applicable when editing files going forward | 15:15 |
| mattmceuen | that is all | 15:15 |
| portdirect | honestly - I wish we did not have a (c) header in everyfile, as they are virtually meaningless - but such is life | 15:15 |
| portdirect | thx mattmceuen | 15:16 |
| srwilkers | portdirect: agreed | 15:16 |
| evrardjp | mattmceuen: ideally we should review with -1 new files that don't hold the proper ownership | 15:16 |
| portdirect | evrardjp: in your understanding should all files have the licence, and a (c) applied? | 15:17 |
| mattmceuen | maybe - but, I think the idea of "proper ownership" differs depending on the author | 15:17 |
| mattmceuen | i.e. certain companies have rules and others don't care? | 15:17 |
| evrardjp | yes, with the individual (if individual work) or company name | 15:17 |
| evrardjp | mattmceuen: one or the author, we cannot validate that | 15:18 |
| evrardjp | or the other* | 15:18 |
| evrardjp | but something that looks like having signed either a ICLA, or a company's equivalent | 15:18 |
| evrardjp | well I am not a lawyer | 15:18 |
| evrardjp | :p | 15:19 |
| portdirect | thankfully none of us are | 15:19 |
| portdirect | though mattmceuen's getting close :P | 15:19 |
| mattmceuen | you take that back.... | 15:19 |
| evrardjp | but that's my understanding :) Maybe we should point to the foundation wiki | 15:19 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: :) | 15:19 |
| portdirect | we should prob have an effort to point to the wiki/docs in our own | 15:19 |
| portdirect | you ok with getting that in the appropriate place mattmceuen ? | 15:19 |
| mattmceuen | I will take a look and see if I can find it - if not I will seek evrardjp out since he is even closer to being a lawyer than me | 15:20 |
| portdirect | awesome | 15:21 |
| portdirect | ok to move on? | 15:21 |
| evrardjp | ok | 15:21 |
| portdirect | #topic LMA - Hows it going? | 15:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "LMA - Hows it going? (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:22 | |
| portdirect | srwilkers: think the floors yours | 15:22 |
| srwilkers | oh hey | 15:22 |
| srwilkers | LMA's coming along -- have a few things in flight | 15:22 |
| srwilkers | now that ceph is living on openstack-helm-infra, we can properly exercise the work ive been doing with getting elasticsearch to use the ceph radosgw s3 api for snapshots | 15:22 |
| srwilkers | patchset can be seen here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/559417/ | 15:22 |
| srwilkers | notably: http://logs.openstack.org/17/559417/46/check/openstack-helm-infra-dev-deploy-ceph/6405246/primary/pod-logs/osh-infra/elasticsearch-register-snapshot-repository-rphtk/register-snapshot-repository.txt | 15:23 |
| srwilkers | so that's exciting | 15:23 |
| srwilkers | also | 15:23 |
| srwilkers | we've still got the changes in flight for pruning the metrics we gather with prometheus by default -- would like to get these shored up properly next week in denver, along with getting some in-person feedback on the docs ive been writing up | 15:24 |
| srwilkers | along with the list requested wrt the exporters and metrics we've got across the platform | 15:24 |
| srwilkers | jayahn: i know you mentioned you all would look at prometheus | 15:25 |
| srwilkers | jayahn: any luck there yet? | 15:25 |
| jayahn | yes, we do | 15:25 |
| mattmceuen | that's awesome srwilkers | 15:25 |
| jayahn | we reviewed list of metrics from most of exporter, and now reviewing some of alert rules.. | 15:25 |
| srwilkers | any feedback yet? or still in the process of reviewing it? | 15:26 |
| jayahn | I have documents on wiki, can share if I can find a place to copy "wiki docs" to | 15:26 |
| srwilkers | jayahn: awesome | 15:27 |
| srwilkers | im looking forward to talking more about it at the PTG next week | 15:28 |
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| srwilkers | that's most of what i've got for the LMA stuff | 15:28 |
| jayahn | sure thing | 15:28 |
| portdirect | would having a dedicated LMA session at ptg help here? | 15:28 |
| portdirect | say a half day? | 15:28 |
| srwilkers | portdirect: it would | 15:29 |
| srwilkers | portdirect: ill work on getting topics added to the etherpad as a starter if that helps | 15:29 |
| mattmceuen | Setting aside a half day on our schedule might also help bring in anyone outside the team who wants to talk LMA | 15:29 |
| portdirect | #action srwilkers: Set aside 0.5 days for LMA review and planning at ptg (also produce outline for topics/structure) | 15:30 |
| srwilkers | i know there's some talk on the ML wrt fluentd and triple-o | 15:30 |
| srwilkers | but can deal with that later | 15:31 |
| portdirect | lets find out what time they are free, always good to get some extra input/help | 15:31 |
| portdirect | we done here? | 15:31 |
| srwilkers | portdirect: yep | 15:31 |
| portdirect | #topic push for 1.0 | 15:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "push for 1.0 (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:32 | |
| portdirect | (i added this cheekily) | 15:32 |
| mattmceuen | keep on pushing! | 15:32 |
| portdirect | there is a lot of low-hanging, but disruptive items on out 1.0 list of tasks | 15:33 |
| portdirect | eg moving charts to the correct repos | 15:33 |
| portdirect | I started this, but it would be great if someone could give me a hand | 15:33 |
| portdirect | i think its pretty much essential that we have this done by monday | 15:33 |
| portdirect | any volunteers to help? | 15:34 |
| srwilkers | portdirect: i'll help | 15:34 |
| srwilkers | portdirect: ceph moved pretty quick. if we can get ceph moved quickly, i can't imagine anything else being super painful | 15:35 |
| portdirect | great - thanks srwilkers | 15:35 |
| portdirect | lets get that done tonight/tomorrow | 15:35 |
| srwilkers | portdirect: works for me | 15:36 |
| portdirect | so - and moving full circle | 15:36 |
| portdirect | #topic Reminder: PTG Etherpad | 15:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reminder: PTG Etherpad (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:36 | |
| portdirect | ;) | 15:36 |
| portdirect | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-ptg-stein | 15:36 |
| portdirect | please can people add anything they want discussed here by wed | 15:37 |
| portdirect | and I'll try and get a slot (at least penciled) in | 15:37 |
| srwilkers | yep. i'll flesh out the particulars for the LMA stuff. i've got some basics up there for placeholders | 15:38 |
| portdirect | and with that, im fresh out of topics | 15:40 |
| portdirect | as always we have a few reviews that could do with some eyes: | 15:41 |
| portdirect | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/7YRs6Fku/ | 15:41 |
| portdirect | please go forth and click | 15:41 |
| portdirect | any more people want to add? | 15:42 |
| evrardjp | missing a line? | 15:42 |
| evrardjp | sorry my bad | 15:42 |
| portdirect | ok | 15:43 |
| portdirect | #topic Roundtable | 15:43 |
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| portdirect | I've got one | 15:43 |
| portdirect | I'm currently looking at security in OSH - and comparing this to the openstack security guide | 15:44 |
| portdirect | a lot of this is not quite applicable in a k8s world | 15:45 |
| portdirect | evrardjp: (or anyone else) how have you handled deltas from the 'canonical' source in practice? | 15:45 |
| portdirect | I had thought of making some patches over there - or would they best be kept 'in tree' as amendments to the guide? | 15:46 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: could you further explain what you mean? | 15:46 |
| portdirect | yeah - for example there is a standard mask requested for config files | 15:47 |
| portdirect | to prevent modifiction and being read by non-service users | 15:47 |
| evrardjp | even if the technical aspects might be different, some ideas of the security guide still applies | 15:47 |
| portdirect | ^ this is hard to do in k8s | 15:47 |
| portdirect | but we can (and do) mount the config files read-only | 15:48 |
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| portdirect | and also enforce only the service user to be able to run things in the container (this is in flight atm) | 15:48 |
| portdirect | so if we had an audit that followed the 'letter' or the security guide, we would fail | 15:49 |
| evrardjp | I think the project can come up with a series of internal procedures for reviewing and code submitting -- and that's up to the project. We can then align with the evolution of the technology or expertise? | 15:49 |
| portdirect | though we would meet the intent i think. | 15:49 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: oh many projects would probably fail,but failure is not a problem, the idea is to go forward | 15:49 |
| evrardjp | I am not sure if we should debate this in the meeting, but I am pretty sure some deltas can be documented in the project, and we iterate? | 15:50 |
| portdirect | sounds great evrardjp | 15:50 |
| portdirect | I'll try and formulate my thoughts better, and bring them to the ptg ;) | 15:51 |
| evrardjp | for the technicalities, I am still new, and I will be focusing on that in the future, I just don't know when yet. | 15:51 |
| portdirect | any one else have anything they want to bring up? | 15:51 |
| srwilkers | im godo | 15:52 |
| srwilkers | *good | 15:52 |
| portdirect | nice | 15:52 |
| * portdirect goes to find endmeeting command | 15:52 | |
| portdirect | #endmeeting | 15:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:52 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 4 15:52:52 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-09-04-15.04.html | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-09-04-15.04.txt | 15:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-09-04-15.04.log.html | 15:52 |
| portdirect | thx everyone | 15:53 |
| evrardjp | thanks team! | 15:53 |
| evrardjp | thanks portdirect for chairing! | 15:53 |
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