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| srwilkers | #startmeeting openstack-helm | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 18 15:00:17 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is srwilkers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_helm' | 15:00 |
| srwilkers | #topic rollcall | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:00 | |
| srwilkers | o/ | 15:00 |
| mattmceuen | o/ | 15:00 |
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| lamt | o/ | 15:01 |
| jayahn | o/ | 15:01 |
| jamesgu__ | o/ | 15:01 |
| srwilkers | let's take a few minutes and add any last minute items to the agenda | 15:01 |
| jayahn | this switching in hurry is confusing me.. :) | 15:01 |
| srwilkers | #startmeeting | 15:01 |
| openstack | srwilkers: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 15:01 |
| srwilkers | oops | 15:02 |
| srwilkers | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2018-09-18 | 15:02 |
| srwilkers | there we go | 15:02 |
| john_W | o/ | 15:02 |
| srwilkers | lets get started at 5 after -- gives us a few minutes to add things here | 15:02 |
| ianychoi | o/ | 15:02 |
| jayahn | hey ianychoi | 15:03 |
| ianychoi | jayahn, hello :) | 15:04 |
| srwilkers | #topic PTG recap | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG recap (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:05 | |
| portdirect | o/ | 15:05 |
| srwilkers | here's the etherpad we used at the PTG https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-ptg-stein | 15:05 |
| evrardjp | o/ | 15:05 |
| srwilkers | i was really happy with what we were able to chat through, and was especially happy to see some new faces as well as the usual suspects (like jayahn ;) ) | 15:05 |
| portdirect | yeah - over the three days we had some really productive sessions | 15:06 |
| srwilkers | portdirect: ill let you lead this topic and the others until you get your new smile ;) | 15:06 |
| portdirect | and its always great to both find out what else is going on in openstack - and put faces to irc names | 15:06 |
| ianychoi | So nice - although I couldn't stay during Wed-Fri at PTG | 15:07 |
| portdirect | for me the real highlights were the work that we will kick off this week on docs | 15:07 |
| portdirect | thanks so much ianychoi and jayahn for helping with this | 15:07 |
| evrardjp | irc nickname/face resolution service is so underrated | 15:08 |
| mattmceuen | +1 | 15:08 |
| portdirect | and also getting some much needed thinking about our gating, and im really looking forward to evrardjp 's help here! | 15:08 |
| jayahn | oh. no. it is co-working, not helping. :) thanks to you. | 15:08 |
| jayahn | +1 on evrardjp! | 15:08 |
| ianychoi | portdirect, it was so great pleasure to see u, and thanks a lot all :) | 15:08 |
| ianychoi | evrardjp, so glad that you were also deeply involved with openstack-helm team :) | 15:09 |
| evrardjp | :) | 15:09 |
| evrardjp | gating is on my pipeline, 5th currently | 15:09 |
| portdirect | it was also great to see some new faces appear and hear about use cases we had not imagined for osh | 15:09 |
| evrardjp | sorry if I can't land that today :p | 15:09 |
| portdirect | in particular, the turnout for airship was great, so i hope to see some tighter colab there | 15:10 |
| portdirect | and also people wanting to use ironic and senlin for k8s cluster management | 15:10 |
| portdirect | so it seems like whatever olstion the edge working group comes up with for hardware and k8s provisioning, osh has a home for now in the mix :D | 15:11 |
| portdirect | *solution | 15:11 |
| portdirect | I'll try to get a proper write up for the next meeting | 15:11 |
| portdirect | anything anyone else want to add? | 15:11 |
| srwilkers | also, looking at exploring getting monasca's helm charts working with openstack-helm to show it as a potential option | 15:12 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: nope, nice to have met you all! | 15:13 |
| jayahn | ditto | 15:13 |
| srwilkers | good to move on portdirect? | 15:13 |
| portdirect | yeah | 15:13 |
| srwilkers | #topic Docs Repo | 15:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Docs Repo (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:13 | |
| srwilkers | portdirect: take it away | 15:14 |
| portdirect | I'll bea ble to start this, prob not finish | 15:14 |
| srwilkers | roger | 15:14 |
| portdirect | which in many ways sounds like the docs themselves | 15:14 |
| portdirect | :) | 15:14 |
| * mattmceuen ba-dum-ching | 15:14 | |
| portdirect | at the ptg we discussed creating a new repo | 15:14 |
| portdirect | openstack-helm-docs | 15:14 |
| portdirect | which we will use to home all the documentation for osh(-infra/-addons) etc | 15:15 |
| portdirect | this week we plan to seed this repo with some cores spanning multiple languages | 15:15 |
| portdirect | and then once we have a outline of the desired docs in place | 15:16 |
| portdirect | use the great work that our korean speaking contributors have done to seed this repo | 15:16 |
| jayahn | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-docs-outline | 15:16 |
| portdirect | ^^ | 15:16 |
| jayahn | this was the etherpad link we created for gathering idea on outline | 15:17 |
| portdirect | yeah - we still need to finish hashing that out | 15:17 |
| jayahn | yeap | 15:17 |
| portdirect | I think looking at other projects for inspriation, eg OSA/Kolla/TripleO/K8s/Istio would really pay dividends here | 15:17 |
| * portdirect has to leave | 15:18 | |
| portdirect | but I think we really have a good path forward | 15:18 |
| srwilkers | portdirect: i agree | 15:18 |
| portdirect | you ok to take it from here jayahn ? | 15:18 |
| jayahn | well, portdirect said most of it. | 15:19 |
| jayahn | we just need to get inspriation, and put it into our own osh docs outline. | 15:19 |
| srwilkers | yep, i think we should make it a point to try and have an idea of what things look like before next week's meeting | 15:20 |
| srwilkers | that way we can get started :) | 15:20 |
| ianychoi | I am not sure other project cases which repo only has docs but IMO it is good direction forward | 15:20 |
| jayahn | fyi, next week is korean-thanksgiving holiday week in korea | 15:21 |
| srwilkers | jayahn: oh, let's shoot for the week after next then, so as not to disrupt the holiday :) | 15:21 |
| jayahn | I will try to put some thought into outline etherpad though | 15:21 |
| srwilkers | sounds good to me | 15:22 |
| srwilkers | any other points on this topic? | 15:22 |
| evrardjp | none | 15:22 |
| jayahn | not really, ianychoi will help us go through this path as well. | 15:22 |
| jayahn | thanks in advance. | 15:22 |
| evrardjp | thanks jayahn and ianychoi | 15:22 |
| srwilkers | :) | 15:22 |
| ianychoi | jayahn, definitely :) evrardjp also thanks! | 15:23 |
| srwilkers | #topic Gates | 15:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gates (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:23 | |
| srwilkers | this one will cover a few things | 15:23 |
| evrardjp | :) | 15:23 |
| srwilkers | first, wanted to just call general awareness to the fact the checks in openstack-helm are all very unhappy. the glance bootstrap job is failing, and we need to find the root cause | 15:24 |
| evrardjp | if someone asks why it's broken: I didn't do it | 15:24 |
| evrardjp | (yet) | 15:24 |
| srwilkers | i've got a few changes in flight to help us achieve that. first, ive proposed disabling all check/gate jobs except for the single node nfs gates to help ease the load on openstack-infra | 15:24 |
| srwilkers | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/603368/ | 15:25 |
| srwilkers | so we're not constantly launching multinode checks we know are going to fail, while we sort things out. once we can fix the issue, we'll add the jobs we disabled | 15:25 |
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| mattmceuen | sigh, of course the single node nfs gate failed on that PS... | 15:26 |
| evrardjp | yeah but let's try to fix it earlier rather than later. Merging things with reduced test coverage is risky | 15:26 |
| evrardjp | mattmceuen: yeah :( | 15:26 |
| srwilkers | yeah, we'll need to disable the rest of them mattmceuen | 15:26 |
| srwilkers | evrardjp: agreed. this is my highest priority right now | 15:27 |
| evrardjp | srwilkers: when I will have a little time to clean up the gates, I will also make sure the log files gathering is not so verbose | 15:27 |
| srwilkers | or make them nonvoting for the moment, to get the change to disable them in | 15:28 |
| srwilkers | evrardjp: that's been one of the nice-to-have's on my list for awhile | 15:28 |
| evrardjp | srwilkers: I will ping you for reviews when I will be on it | 15:28 |
| srwilkers | as the number of things we gathered originally made sense, but now accounts for a significant portion of the post run job's time | 15:28 |
| evrardjp | thanks for the work on gates srwilkers | 15:28 |
| srwilkers | evrardjp: awesome, will be happy to review whatever you need. i secretly like working on the gates -- it's like a puzzle | 15:29 |
| evrardjp | srwilkers: I know the feeling :) | 15:29 |
| srwilkers | but since you brought it up, the other portion of this topic was to announce/discuss some of the ideas you had for making our gates more efficient | 15:30 |
| evrardjp | for those who weren't there in the gating conversation about the PTG ... | 15:30 |
| srwilkers | evrardjp: take it away ;) | 15:30 |
| evrardjp | haha | 15:30 |
| evrardjp | nice thanks | 15:30 |
| evrardjp | yeah so, I have seen quite a series of duplicate jobs, some redundant and missing coverage | 15:30 |
| evrardjp | for example jamesgu__ would love to see opensuse support I guess :) | 15:31 |
| jamesgu__ | ah yes | 15:31 |
| evrardjp | so the plan is to slowly simplify what we can, making everything more modular. | 15:31 |
| evrardjp | I will first combine playbooks, then make sure each of those are enough modular to trigger parts of them depending on the jobs | 15:31 |
| evrardjp | one base job will be tested on multiple distros | 15:32 |
| evrardjp | further (longer) jobs will be moved to periodics | 15:32 |
| evrardjp | Which means two things: | 15:32 |
| evrardjp | 1) help will be needed for those reviews, so that we can have shared ownership of gating | 15:32 |
| evrardjp | 2) attention will be requested on periodic logs, so that we have shared knowledge of failures, and focus on those before merging new things (that's the hardest part) | 15:33 |
| evrardjp | Well that's my opinion :) | 15:33 |
| evrardjp | ofc people can/will disagree :D | 15:34 |
| evrardjp | hahaha | 15:34 |
| evrardjp | does that plan look okay? | 15:34 |
| jayahn | understood. especially, i totally agreed on "hardest part".. will need everyone's attention and support | 15:34 |
| srwilkers | evrardjp: i think that's a good plan | 15:34 |
| mattmceuen | That's awesome evrardjp - thanks for taking this on | 15:35 |
| evrardjp | I guess another point we might add, is that periodics are cheaper than check+gates | 15:35 |
| srwilkers | the shared ownership for gating will be awesome | 15:35 |
| mattmceuen | How will the "periodic" part be managed? | 15:35 |
| evrardjp | so if some specific case should arise, it could become an experimental check, and then, if we have more people interested by it, go periodic | 15:35 |
| evrardjp | mattmceuen: well that's up to us to decide | 15:35 |
| evrardjp | I would like to discuss this in another meeting, to be better prepared | 15:36 |
| evrardjp | I have a few ideas and experience around that | 15:36 |
| mattmceuen | awesome. | 15:36 |
| srwilkers | evrardjp: yeah, sorry. i ambushed you on this one, although i didnt expect us to get this detailed :) | 15:36 |
| evrardjp | but it will take a certain amount of time in the discussion, and I don't want to monopolize the conversation | 15:36 |
| srwilkers | i agree we should discuss this more formally once you've had some more time to get your thoughts down :) | 15:37 |
| evrardjp | srwilkers: yeah didn't get the chance to work on it yet, sorry :( | 15:37 |
| srwilkers | evrardjp: that's okay :) | 15:37 |
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| srwilkers | any other comments before moving on? | 15:38 |
| evrardjp | none | 15:38 |
| srwilkers | #topic Move to uWSGI | 15:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Move to uWSGI (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:38 | |
| srwilkers | portdirect set this on the agenda, but since he's unavailable at the moment do we want to move this topic to the next meeting or discuss this in the openstack-helm channel when hes back around? | 15:39 |
| srwilkers | because thankfully, i cant read his mind | 15:39 |
| srwilkers | :) | 15:40 |
| mattmceuen | one of those - I don't have a preference | 15:40 |
| srwilkers | let's try to get his attention later in the channel | 15:40 |
| srwilkers | #topic Values ordering spec | 15:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Values ordering spec (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:41 | |
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| srwilkers | this was something we talked about at the PTG. jayahn and his team started the spec here and did most of the work | 15:41 |
| srwilkers | i've just simply worked to move it the last little bit: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552485/ | 15:41 |
| srwilkers | one of the items we mentioned at the PTG was having some sort of mechanism to enforce this ordering, so as to avoid the overhead of relying on just reviews to prevent divergence | 15:42 |
| srwilkers | evrardjp suggested yamllint to achieve that, and i threw together a quick change to include it in the linting job in osh-infra at the moment: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/603222/ | 15:43 |
| evrardjp | yeah it's kinda ugly -- and yamllint is not so flexible in terms of custom rules -- sorry for that | 15:43 |
| evrardjp | but I guess it's better than the jungle? | 15:43 |
| srwilkers | the only grievance i have is that to prevent the key-ordering rule from analyzing top level keys, we have to disable/reenable the key-ordering rule via comments around each top level key | 15:43 |
| srwilkers | evrardjp: yeah, it's better than nothing at the moment. also saved us from having to hand-cook some bash to do it, at least in the interim | 15:44 |
| evrardjp | I have briefly checked on jsonschema | 15:44 |
| evrardjp | but I guess when I will have more time I will write a proper linter | 15:44 |
| evrardjp | that's just far down on my list, I am not sure we'll ever see it : p | 15:45 |
| portdirect | jsonschema may be a fut here? | 15:45 |
| portdirect | fit | 15:45 |
| srwilkers | yeah, it would be nice to have a future state to work towards | 15:45 |
| mattmceuen | evrardjp, just looking at the yamllint PS real quick just now, I must have missed it - where is the key ordering actually defined? | 15:45 |
| evrardjp | mattmceuen: I can check the patchset, but generally yamllint take a default configuration, and you extend it based on your needs with small modifications | 15:45 |
| evrardjp | I think the config key for that is keyordering | 15:45 |
| evrardjp | iirc | 15:45 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: it might, but it doesn't have some of the linting features (and json is unordered) | 15:46 |
| evrardjp | I have to check all of that. In the meantime, I appreciate the consitency, as it helps not forgetting anything and brings consistency | 15:47 |
| evrardjp | and brings ease of reviewing* | 15:47 |
| mattmceuen | So evrardjap you're saying we're relying on the default key ordrering now, but can extend that to define our own? If so sounds good to me :) | 15:48 |
| srwilkers | mattmceuen: the key-ordering rule uses unicode point to determine alphabetic ordering of the keys. if we disable it for top level keys, it ensures all our sub-level keys are ordered correctly | 15:48 |
| evrardjp | mattmceuen: exactly what srwilkers just said | 15:48 |
| srwilkers | while allowing us to, in a hacky fashion, ensure our top level keys are ordered in the way we define in our spec | 15:48 |
| evrardjp | it's not possible to extend the configuration or rules for this yet. | 15:48 |
| mattmceuen | Oh, so the "yamllint disables" would need to be long lived across all charts | 15:48 |
| evrardjp | it's just a boolean: care or not care | 15:48 |
| srwilkers | mattmceuen: yeah, until we determine a more thorough way to do it | 15:49 |
| evrardjp | mattmceuen: yes, that's why it's ugly :p | 15:49 |
| mattmceuen | gotcha | 15:49 |
| mattmceuen | :D | 15:49 |
| srwilkers | its not ideal, but neither is having sprawl across the charts | 15:49 |
| srwilkers | ive got some other ideas, but we can save those for the openstack-helm channel | 15:49 |
| srwilkers | we've got one more item i'd like to tackle in the time we have left | 15:49 |
| evrardjp | sounds nice | 15:49 |
| srwilkers | #topic Dropping newton support | 15:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Dropping newton support (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:50 | |
| srwilkers | at the ptg, we discussed whether it was time to move on from newton as the default as it's a bit long in the tooth | 15:50 |
| jamesgu | +1 | 15:51 |
| srwilkers | the general thought was "yes", but we didnt have a quorum in attendance so i wanted to discuss this here and vote now | 15:51 |
| mattmceuen | +1 | 15:51 |
| jayahn | +1 | 15:51 |
| srwilkers | +! | 15:51 |
| jamesgu | what will be the new default? | 15:51 |
| lamt | +1 | 15:51 |
| srwilkers | (yes, im that excited) | 15:51 |
| evrardjp | +1 | 15:51 |
| evrardjp | jamesgu: let's ask for rocky | 15:51 |
| evrardjp | :D | 15:51 |
| evrardjp | or master | 15:52 |
| jamesgu | you know what exactly I was thinking! | 15:52 |
| srwilkers | master or bust! | 15:52 |
| srwilkers | just kidding (maybe) | 15:52 |
| evrardjp | srwilkers: haha | 15:52 |
| evrardjp | jamesgu: ;) | 15:52 |
| jayahn | i am good with that. ;) | 15:52 |
| ianychoi | I don't know the details on openstack-helm but also +1 for same direction :) | 15:52 |
| srwilkers | so it seems we have quorum for moving on from newton -- i'll follow up with portdirect on discussing next steps here | 15:53 |
| mattmceuen | Note we only have overrides defined in the repo for Newton, Ocata, and Pike: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-helm/tree/master/tools/overrides/releases/pike | 15:53 |
| evrardjp | it's simpler and in alignment with upstream expectations to be tracking master, but I understand it's a delicate game, and the latest stable is an "easier to track" and understandable goal for deploy projects | 15:53 |
| evrardjp | mattmceuen: good point | 15:53 |
| srwilkers | #action srwilkers to follow up with portdirect on moving on from newton as default | 15:53 |
| mattmceuen | First step is we need to get overrides defined, then gating established, then we can pick good defaults from among the battle-hardened gated versions | 15:53 |
| srwilkers | mattmceuen: that's true, but think portdirect also had work to support queens awhile back | 15:53 |
| evrardjp | srwilkers: there were people that weren't at the ptg, could you explain the plan? | 15:53 |
| srwilkers | evrardjp: sure | 15:54 |
| jayahn | queens will not be that hard. | 15:54 |
| portdirect | jayahn: queens is done, just not merged | 15:54 |
| jayahn | i know. :) | 15:54 |
| jayahn | that is what i mean by not be that hard | 15:54 |
| srwilkers | portdirect: you care to elaborate on the plan here, if you're afoot? | 15:54 |
| portdirect | i may be missibng context | 15:55 |
| portdirect | but we intend to move to ocata by default for now | 15:55 |
| mattmceuen | sounds like the anesthetic hasn't worn off | 15:55 |
| evrardjp | haha | 15:55 |
| mattmceuen | ++ ocata for now | 15:55 |
| portdirect | and then also add upgrade gating as a periodical (thx evrardjp !) | 15:55 |
| portdirect | once thats in place, too the moon! or rocky... | 15:55 |
| jamesgu | could I ask why not even Pike for example? | 15:56 |
| evrardjp | jamesgu: I guess the intent is to slowly move towards latest | 15:56 |
| srwilkers | evrardjp: jamesgu: yep | 15:56 |
| evrardjp | by having a path to upgrade that's periodically tested | 15:56 |
| portdirect | ^ this, though i hope slow becomes very quick | 15:56 |
| jamesgu | got it | 15:56 |
| portdirect | as i (and alanmeadows ) have tested upgrades a few times | 15:56 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: I also have dreams :) | 15:57 |
| srwilkers | lol | 15:57 |
| srwilkers | dont let your dreams be dreams evrardjp | 15:57 |
| evrardjp | haha good point! | 15:57 |
| srwilkers | alright, one last thing before we adjourn | 15:57 |
| srwilkers | #topic reviews | 15:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:57 | |
| srwilkers | i've listed some things that would be nice to get some reviews on | 15:57 |
| srwilkers | S3 manifests, snippets, scripts for HTK: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/588066/ | 15:58 |
| srwilkers | Elasticsearch S3 repository support: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/559417/56 | 15:58 |
| srwilkers | Trim OSH-Infra dev deploy gates: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/602833/ | 15:58 |
| srwilkers | Update fluentbit version, config template: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/602784/ | 15:58 |
| srwilkers | Add kernel, dockerd, kubelet logs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/602786/ | 15:58 |
| srwilkers | RFC: Add htk snippet for tolerations https://review.openstack.org/#/c/595021/5 | 15:58 |
| srwilkers | oh, i just noticed the gnocchi and ceilometer item on the etherpad -- im sorry whoever put that down there | 15:58 |
| srwilkers | let's discuss that in openstack-helm once portdirect is back around, as he's the last one to work on those i think | 15:58 |
| srwilkers | that puts us at time -- let's carry over anything we want to discuss in openstack-helm | 15:59 |
| srwilkers | thanks everyone | 16:00 |
| srwilkers | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 18 16:00:04 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-09-18-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-09-18-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-09-18-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| portdirect | thx steve - i know mattmceuen did not have time to dicuss his item, lets get that 1st next time | 16:00 |
| portdirect | as review quaility is somthing we really need to get attention on. | 16:00 |
| evrardjp | thanks everyone | 16:00 |
| ianychoi | Thanks all | 16:01 |
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