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| portdirect | o/ | 14:59 |
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| evrardjp | o/ | 14:59 |
| portdirect | #startmeeting openstack-helm | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 27 15:00:03 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is portdirect. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_helm' | 15:00 |
| portdirect | lets give it a few mins for people to roll up | 15:00 |
| portdirect | #topic rollcall | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:00 | |
| srwilkers | o/ | 15:00 |
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| evrardjp | o/ | 15:01 |
| mattmceuen | \o/ | 15:01 |
| portdirect | calm down mattmceuen, we need to save those precious calories | 15:01 |
| mattmceuen | I've been in efrardjp's native land for a week, I have calories to spare | 15:01 |
| srwilkers | nah, if you burn more, you can just replace them with liquid calories of the alcoholic variety | 15:02 |
| mattmceuen | evrardjp how does everyone in France stay so thin when two out of every three storefronts is a restaurant. | 15:02 |
| alanmeadows | o/ | 15:02 |
| evrardjp | mattmceuen: oh great :) (I suppose that was my country, and due to beer's vertures my nickname was wrongly spelled :p ) | 15:02 |
| mattmceuen | ^based on my several blocks of paris | 15:02 |
| evrardjp | mattmceuen: I am not living in France :p | 15:02 |
| mattmceuen | Native land thought, right? | 15:03 |
| evrardjp | nope :p | 15:03 |
| mattmceuen | well never mind then! | 15:03 |
| portdirect | shall we begin? | 15:03 |
| evrardjp | But yeah same thing in Belgium :) | 15:03 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: yes! | 15:03 |
| portdirect | #topic new repos (docs, images) status | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "new repos (docs, images) status (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:03 | |
| portdirect | i think this is yours evrardjp | 15:03 |
| evrardjp | yeah | 15:03 |
| evrardjp | well | 15:03 |
| evrardjp | there are reviews pending in those two repos | 15:04 |
| evrardjp | I would be super thrilled if we could get consensus and get the ball rolling | 15:04 |
| portdirect | both the seed commits from you and lamt look good to me | 15:05 |
| portdirect | soon as fungi adds me to the cores list for them, I'll +2 and add all the other cores | 15:05 |
| evrardjp | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/619262/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/614425/ for example | 15:05 |
| evrardjp | perfect. | 15:05 |
| evrardjp | If you have access to more people for documentation, it might be interesting to put them core to that specific group too. But that's up to you :) | 15:06 |
| portdirect | that was the plan | 15:06 |
| evrardjp | Can I go on the next topic (with different order than agenda?) | 15:06 |
| portdirect | jayahn, ianychoi_ were also going to go into docs | 15:06 |
| portdirect | sure - what you want to do next? | 15:06 |
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| evrardjp | usage of reno | 15:06 |
| ianychoi | Thank u for pinging me :) | 15:06 |
| portdirect | #topic reno | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reno (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:07 | |
| evrardjp | I consider those repos should have release notes from the start | 15:07 |
| evrardjp | those new repos* | 15:07 |
| portdirect | sure - its on the 1.0 criteria - lets start that ball rolling | 15:07 |
| evrardjp | I also believe that existing repos should be adapted to support release notes. I can add this, if you want. | 15:07 |
| evrardjp | great. | 15:07 |
| ianychoi | Great :) | 15:08 |
| evrardjp | I guess if you're all okay with that, I can patch this in the remaining repos. | 15:08 |
| evrardjp | Last question on that topic, where will this be published? | 15:08 |
| mattmceuen | ooooooold patch to add Reno - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/563481/ | 15:08 |
| mattmceuen | If you want to used that evrardjp feel free, or I can abandon | 15:08 |
| portdirect | ah - flippy :) | 15:08 |
| mattmceuen | good ol' flippy | 15:08 |
| evrardjp | mattmceuen: that's exactly the files I'd change, so I will take that forward indeed. | 15:09 |
| portdirect | sweet - thanks mattmceuen and evrardjp :) | 15:09 |
| evrardjp | I probably will compare to my other patch in osh-images for comparison, and match with cookiecutter's current code. | 15:09 |
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| evrardjp | so on the publication location... | 15:10 |
| evrardjp | Do we want to put all the docs/release notes into osh-docs ? | 15:10 |
| evrardjp | and consider that all our official documentation is in that repository? | 15:10 |
| evrardjp | if reno go into that repository, we'll just need to create convenience script for syncing release notes. | 15:11 |
| evrardjp | if all repositories have docs + release notes, there is no need for syncing. | 15:11 |
| mattmceuen | good point | 15:11 |
| portdirect | i'd prefer for now to keep release notes in their own repos | 15:12 |
| evrardjp | I have built OSH-images to be completely independant: its own docs + renos. | 15:12 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: ok so we keep things separate. Great, thanks for clarifications! | 15:12 |
| evrardjp | that's all I had on this topic. | 15:12 |
| portdirect | thx evrardjp | 15:13 |
| portdirect | i think your up next :) | 15:13 |
| portdirect | #topic priorities | 15:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "priorities (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:13 | |
| evrardjp | ok, this is a tricky topic, let me gather my words there | 15:14 |
| srwilkers | hehe | 15:14 |
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| evrardjp | I just wanted to raise the fact it's very hard to track, for an external eye, how to help, and on what to help. I know the specs are something we can work on, but it doesn't 'feel' like everybody is pointing its energy towards that | 15:15 |
| evrardjp | so I am sometimes confused about whether my energy is correctly used. I don't want to push towards a direction that's not a priority. | 15:16 |
| portdirect | i think in general the 1.0 spec shows where we should be putting energy | 15:17 |
| alanmeadows | evrardjp - just to help clarify whats the context of help - toward 1.0 or toward something else? | 15:17 |
| evrardjp | alanmeadows: Good question. | 15:17 |
| evrardjp | I will just give my experience here: I thought separation and clarity of repositories and their usage was a priority, because I saw the 'idea' of clean cut repositories in the spec. | 15:18 |
| evrardjp | So for me, I wanted to reduce technical debt to allow this move to happen. Yet, I understand that 1.0 is many goals, and some could be orthogonal to the changes I want to propose | 15:19 |
| evrardjp | My point is I don't have a clear view of 'the focus of the week/month' | 15:20 |
| evrardjp | Let me restructure my words with the content of the spec: Is "Charts in the appropriate project" scheduled before or after "Split Ceph chart" ? | 15:21 |
| portdirect | both of those activities are done, we 1st moved the ceph chart, and then split it | 15:22 |
| evrardjp | sorry to have asked a stupid question then :p | 15:22 |
| portdirect | no - it raises a good point, at least we should have a way of indicating this | 15:23 |
| srwilkers | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/worklist/341 | 15:23 |
| alanmeadows | perhaps back to the release note wish | 15:23 |
| portdirect | i think that links great srwilkers, it shows how for these things storyboard can be a pain :) | 15:23 |
| evrardjp | srwilkers: interesting I was on story board: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/openstack/openstack-helm | 15:23 |
| portdirect | but to alans point, i think releasenotes would help a lot here as we burn down the list | 15:24 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: great, so now I know that everything in there has focus, everything else is optional. Thanks srwilkers for the link. | 15:24 |
| portdirect | i'm also kinda on the fence re a 'theme for the week/month' | 15:25 |
| fungi | i've added portdirect to those core reviewer groups now | 15:25 |
| srwilkers | thanks fungi | 15:25 |
| fungi | np | 15:25 |
| portdirect | fungi: \o/ | 15:25 |
| evrardjp | thanks fungi | 15:25 |
| evrardjp | ok now that I have a tool to focus on the priorities, I think we can go onto next topic :) | 15:26 |
| alanmeadows | @srwilkers/@portdirect is it safe to say that if https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/worklist/341 is the canonical 1.0 worklist, it may need some filling in of the edges? | 15:27 |
| srwilkers | alanmeadows: yep | 15:27 |
| alanmeadows | Like for instance, it addresses the need for helm test coverage across all charts, but not the activation of said helm tests in the gate to validate upgrade viability | 15:27 |
| alanmeadows | just as a random example | 15:27 |
| portdirect | certainly | 15:27 |
| evrardjp | it doesn't cover release notes either | 15:28 |
| portdirect | its def the point we should be adding those aspects | 15:28 |
| alanmeadows | it would be great to fill in all the missing pieces so we have something we can say covers it all | 15:28 |
| evrardjp | I'd love if we could just have that board as a reference. | 15:28 |
| portdirect | lets try and get that in shape for the next meeting, so we can review it | 15:29 |
| srwilkers | evrardjp: that was the point initially. it just needs some love to update it | 15:29 |
| srwilkers | as there are some work items in flight that address some of those items, but the open changes don't reference them to reflect that | 15:29 |
| alanmeadows | mattmceuen also has the etherpad likely from dublin | 15:29 |
| alanmeadows | that we can overlay to this | 15:30 |
| alanmeadows | if anyone needs a refresher | 15:30 |
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| mattmceuen | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-ptg-rocky | 15:31 |
| portdirect | awesome, thanks mattmceuen | 15:32 |
| * srwilkers whistles | 15:35 | |
| portdirect | ok - i think we done here for now, lets get that list updated for next week. | 15:36 |
| portdirect | #topic roundtable | 15:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roundtable (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:36 | |
| srwilkers | what about the helm v3 chat? | 15:36 |
| portdirect | whoops - sorry multitasking :) | 15:37 |
| portdirect | as we discussed at the summit, and denver ptg it would be great to see a prototype of a lua based chart | 15:37 |
| portdirect | this should not have direct impact on the 1.0 release work for osh | 15:37 |
| evrardjp | is this because of the 'fun factor' , or because it will actively help in tech debt reduction? | 15:38 |
| evrardjp | (just curious) | 15:38 |
| alanmeadows | I do not personally know the level of functionality available in `dev-v3` | 15:38 |
| alanmeadows | this is far from a fun factor | 15:38 |
| srwilkers | evrardjp: helm v3 brings significant changes | 15:38 |
| portdirect | yeah - this is critical evaluation | 15:38 |
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| portdirect | helm v3 is less important | 15:38 |
| evrardjp | alanmeadows: I suppose I should read this as -- we have to do this anyway, as no retrocompat will be provided- ? | 15:38 |
| portdirect | what is, is evaluating LUA scripting over GO templating to articulating openstack in kubernetes | 15:39 |
| portdirect | and we need to know what that looks like. | 15:39 |
| alanmeadows | we know gotpl will still be supported | 15:39 |
| alanmeadows | the value add here is more what we've discussed a few times over | 15:40 |
| evrardjp | ok | 15:40 |
| alanmeadows | that there is a significant onramp burden to jumping into OSH charts | 15:40 |
| alanmeadows | and that LUA may be a way for us to simplify them to the point where we can attract more developers | 15:40 |
| srwilkers | getting rid of some gnarly helper templates would be a welcome addition | 15:40 |
| evrardjp | that sounds like a great point for the future indeed. | 15:40 |
| alanmeadows | there is a lot of macro/helm-toolkit experise required today | 15:40 |
| alanmeadows | expertise, rather | 15:41 |
| alanmeadows | srwilkers, exactly | 15:41 |
| alanmeadows | we've always said this was a desired goal - even pre v3 | 15:42 |
| alanmeadows | and with LUA, it seems like it may be the most opportune option | 15:42 |
| srwilkers | yup | 15:42 |
| evrardjp | Maybe this can be added to another story board for version 1.1/2.0 ? | 15:42 |
| portdirect | but just to (for once) be the voice of restraint, we need to actually get something together to see if it offer us what we are looking for | 15:42 |
| portdirect | we all feel it will, but we need to prove this out | 15:42 |
| portdirect | evrardjp: this would be a 2.0 | 15:43 |
| evrardjp | investigation can be part of it. | 15:43 |
| alanmeadows | yes and the timing is somewhat important I think | 15:43 |
| alanmeadows | the earlier we do it, the earlier we can provide feedback to the helm v3 community | 15:43 |
| alanmeadows | otherwise, helm v3 is released, and we just need to work with it | 15:43 |
| portdirect | exactly | 15:43 |
| portdirect | this week i can get a v3 dev env up and running, and push a ps for it | 15:44 |
| srwilkers | sweet | 15:44 |
| portdirect | which will at least allow us to track how v3 is shaping up. | 15:44 |
| alanmeadows | cool | 15:46 |
| srwilkers | anything else here? | 15:47 |
| portdirect | i think we are done? | 15:48 |
| portdirect | thanks for coming everyone | 15:48 |
| portdirect | #endmeeting | 15:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:48 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 27 15:48:33 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-11-27-15.00.html | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-11-27-15.00.txt | 15:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-11-27-15.00.log.html | 15:48 |
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