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| jeblair | testing two | 01:26 |
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| hub_cap | woo this room is PACKED | 21:51 |
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| vipul | #startmeeting reddwarf | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 4 22:00:12 2012 UTC. The chair is vipul. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
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| hub_cap | hah look at that horizon took our spot :P | 22:00 |
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| vipul | #Info Agenda: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/RedDwarfMeeting | 22:00 |
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| hub_cap | but thats fine by me sinc ethey are closer to core | 22:00 |
| cp16net | hola | 22:00 |
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| SlickNik | hey | 22:01 |
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| datsun180b | hi | 22:01 |
| vipul | at least no one will compain if we go over time in this room | 22:01 |
| hub_cap | exactly | 22:01 |
| cp16net | nice | 22:01 |
| cp16net | i didnt know there was an alt room | 22:01 |
| hub_cap | its new | 22:01 |
| SlickNik | Heh, hopefully we won't have to though. | 22:01 |
| steveleon | what happened to the other room? | 22:01 |
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| SlickNik | (go over time I mean) | 22:01 |
| vipul | kicke us out | 22:01 |
| hub_cap | #info no one watches the mailing list but hub_cap | 22:01 |
| hub_cap | :P | 22:01 |
| hub_cap | its new | 22:02 |
| SlickNik | so did you seem the blueprint on the mailing list, then hub_cap? :P | 22:02 |
| vipul | #topic Action Item Review | 22:02 |
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| hub_cap | haah yours yes SlickNik | 22:02 |
| hub_cap | the devstack integration one | 22:02 |
| hub_cap | :D | 22:02 |
| * cp16net shrugs... | 22:03 | |
| vipul | SlickNick dkehn updates on Devstack Integration? | 22:03 |
| hub_cap | speaking of that SlickNik, hows that going | 22:03 |
| hub_cap | :P | 22:03 |
| SlickNik | It's still going pretty well. | 22:03 |
| SlickNik | dkehn and I got the install/config pieces in | 22:03 |
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| dkehn | k , working the init_redwarf protion, the configure & build complete | 22:03 |
| dkehn | just delaing what is necessary and what is not | 22:04 |
| SlickNik | We're still hitting some issues with setting up the repo, and building the image. | 22:04 |
| SlickNik | THen we'll tackle bringing up the guest. | 22:04 |
| SlickNik | We've got a separate repo at https://github.com/dkehn/devstack | 22:04 |
| SlickNik | That we're pushing out intermediate fixes to. | 22:05 |
| SlickNik | So it's still a work in progress. | 22:05 |
| hub_cap | nice | 22:05 |
| vipul | #link https://github.com/dkehn/devstack | 22:05 |
| SlickNik | One sec. | 22:05 |
| hub_cap | any replies on the BP SlickNik? | 22:05 |
| SlickNik | nope, no hits so far. | 22:06 |
| hub_cap | cool, then we can do WHATEVER we want :P | 22:06 |
| dkehn | I like that | 22:06 |
| SlickNik | was thinking of running it by mordred and a couple other folks. | 22:06 |
| vipul | SlickNik, can we link to blueprint | 22:06 |
| SlickNik | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/reddwarf/+spec/reddwarf-devstack-integration | 22:07 |
| dkehn | I updated mordred this morning, he's prety up to speed with what we are doing | 22:07 |
| SlickNik | that's what I was trying to get :) | 22:07 |
| SlickNik | okay, cool. Thanks dkehn. | 22:07 |
| vipul | #action dkehn to discuss offline about keystone users required by Redstack | 22:07 |
| vipul | anything else to add ? | 22:08 |
| hub_cap | ya iirc some of those tests for different users were to validate user ownership | 22:08 |
| cp16net | hub_cap: you are correct | 22:08 |
| hub_cap | talk to datsun180b and cp16net, they added those users | 22:08 |
| dkehn | given that devstack freates its own and CI uses them?? | 22:08 |
| hub_cap | dkehn: ^ ^ | 22:08 |
| datsun180b | and to make sure we didn't fall into any ruts about giving all the instances to a single user | 22:08 |
| dkehn | will do | 22:08 |
| cp16net | to make sure admin could see all instances and other users coudl not see each others | 22:08 |
| vipul | K, next item | 22:09 |
| vipul | updating references.. I updates all the Launchpads, and looked over READMEs and everything seems to be updated to stackforge | 22:09 |
| vipul | we can check that one off | 22:09 |
| SlickNik | awesome. | 22:09 |
| SlickNik | I <3 checking stuff off :) | 22:09 |
| cp16net | +1 | 22:10 |
| hub_cap | vipul: very nice | 22:10 |
| vipul | anyone remember the context of the next action item? | 22:10 |
| vipul | doesn't have an owner, i'm skipping it | 22:11 |
| cp16net | which # are we on? | 22:11 |
| vipul | #4 now | 22:11 |
| SlickNik | I think I asked for a link and it got published as an action item. | 22:11 |
| vipul | update on image building blueprint.. i havent filed a bug yet | 22:11 |
| vipul | that was the plan, will do so by EOD | 22:12 |
| hub_cap | #3 was in reference to logging in to the mysql instance, but i dnot think we need to discuss now | 22:12 |
| vipul | #action vipul to file bug to convert image building to tripleo image builder | 22:12 |
| vipul | next item.. hub_cap: oslo upgrade? | 22:13 |
| juice_ | vipul just so you know they move the repo under stack forge now | 22:13 |
| hub_cap | hey be sure to put stock mysql as the default for that vipul, not percona :D | 22:13 |
| hub_cap | so oslo upgrade, things r going quite well | 22:13 |
| hub_cap | ive got the services coming back online w/ teh new config, logging, service, wsgi, and paste stuff | 22:13 |
| hub_cap | but the tests are failing cuz the rest of the code is still using the old config file stuff | 22:13 |
| SlickNik | nice. | 22:13 |
| hub_cap | also ive separated the config file into 2 files | 22:14 |
| hub_cap | paste and config | 22:14 |
| vipul | hub_cap: we're going to build two versions, one wiht percona, one stock | 22:14 |
| hub_cap | vipul: cool | 22:14 |
| hub_cap | im intersted in percona too :D | 22:14 |
| SlickNik | #info tripleo image builder repo is under stackforge now. | 22:14 |
| hub_cap | so there was a issue w/ us loading variables in our paste defined __init__ functions | 22:14 |
| dkehn | curious 2 cmy.cnfs right, one for mysql std adn percona? | 22:14 |
| dkehn | s/cmy/my/ | 22:15 |
| hub_cap | dkehn: well id say 1 my.cnf | 22:15 |
| hub_cap | standard | 22:15 |
| hub_cap | if yall want to use percona u can keep a my.cnf around for percona | 22:15 |
| SlickNik | #link https://github.com/stackforge/diskimage-builder | 22:15 |
| hub_cap | but we should try to have 1 path for the public code, and make it configurable for yall/us/anyone else | 22:15 |
| hub_cap | make sense? | 22:15 |
| dkehn | keep std in the /etc/directory and specifics in the datadir as extra | 22:15 |
| SlickNik | Thanks juice_ | 22:16 |
| vipul | hub_cap yes, I think we should support both, one that is the community version mysql | 22:16 |
| vipul | and have a new 'flavor' that supports percona | 22:16 |
| vipul | but yea, need one that works for everyone | 22:16 |
| hub_cap | sounds like we may need to talk about that offline | 22:16 |
| hub_cap | cuz i dont think thats the case | 22:16 |
| hub_cap | we need the one that everyone uses | 22:16 |
| hub_cap | if yall want percona, u can do it | 22:16 |
| vipul | #action vipul to discuss percona baked into image with hub_cap | 22:16 |
| hub_cap | but i dont think the public one _needs_ percona | 22:16 |
| vipul | moving on.. | 22:17 |
| vipul | volume_support bug is filed | 22:17 |
| hub_cap | so back to oslo | 22:17 |
| hub_cap | oh ok | 22:17 |
| juice_ | the flavor is a parameter to disk image builder | 22:17 |
| vipul | do we still have more wrt oslo? | 22:17 |
| juice_ | we can pass either "rd-guest" or "rd-guest-percona" and it will build the right image | 22:17 |
| hub_cap | i could keep going but ill leave it at that vipul if anyone is interested feel free to chat w/ me | 22:18 |
| juice_ | the stock redstack script can by default use the rd-guest | 22:18 |
| juice_ | we can override that with "rd-guest-percona" | 22:18 |
| juice_ | or something like that | 22:18 |
| vipul | juice_ hub_cap let's take it offline in #reddwarf | 22:18 |
| hub_cap | yup | 22:18 |
| hub_cap | absolutely | 22:18 |
| vipul | oslo..? | 22:18 |
| hub_cap | naw its good we can move forward | 22:18 |
| hub_cap | we are 20 min in | 22:18 |
| hub_cap | im making good progress | 22:18 |
| hub_cap | shoudl ahve somethign in a day or 2 | 22:19 |
| hub_cap | but its gonna be a big review | 22:19 |
| vipul | cool | 22:19 |
| SlickNik | Sounds good. | 22:19 |
| * hub_cap doesnt like big reviews | 22:19 | |
| vipul | #info oslo upgrade close, couple more days | 22:19 |
| vipul | SlickNik, update on users for guest? | 22:19 |
| cp16net | me either | 22:19 |
| cp16net | things can be missed | 22:19 |
| SlickNik | There was some back and forth on it with SteveLeon. Still need to close on what's the right thing to do here. | 22:20 |
| vipul | #action SlickNik and steveleon to look into default guest user | 22:20 |
| SlickNik | os_admin seemed to work fine for him, so not sure if a change is needed. | 22:20 |
| SlickNik | still need to follow up on it. | 22:21 |
| hub_cap | be sure to work w/ grapex on it too | 22:21 |
| SlickNik | Okay, will keep grapex in the loop. | 22:21 |
| steveleon | ill meet with you guys later on this | 22:21 |
| hub_cap | who is not in the room.... geez :) | 22:21 |
| vipul | next item.. | 22:21 |
| SlickNik | No worries. I'll ping him on #reddwarf when he gets on :) | 22:21 |
| steveleon | using "root" didnt work as the guest agent was trying to create user "root" | 22:21 |
| vipul | grapex: real mode tests | 22:21 |
| hub_cap | grapex is not here right now | 22:22 |
| SlickNik | Will take this offline with you, steveleon. | 22:22 |
| vipul | esp1: any update on our end? | 22:22 |
| hub_cap | i know he had a review that was approved yesterday that helped split some of the tests up | 22:22 |
| vipul | I did just attempt ot run them, we're not at 100% yet | 22:22 |
| esp1 | vipul: not much | 22:22 |
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| vipul | #info real-mode tests still not completely working | 22:23 |
| esp1 | tried to run the tests again today but I think we need to give grapex more time to clean up tests on reddwarf-int | 22:23 |
| vipul | #action esp1 grapex to continue working on fixing all real-mode tests | 22:23 |
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| hub_cap | speaking of the grape devil | 22:23 |
| SlickNik | here he is. | 22:23 |
| hub_cap | grapex: real mode test updates? quick! | 22:23 |
| grapex | hub_cap: Real mode tests need work, in particular gating code to avoid running the mgmt API until its ready. | 22:24 |
| grapex | The MGMT api won't work without the Nova extensions. We had code in place before to avoid hitting it if it wasn't enabled, we just need it again. | 22:24 |
| hub_cap | grapex: care to explain in a sentence or 2 the mgmt api issue so the HP guys know whats goin on | 22:24 |
| hub_cap | hahah | 22:24 |
| grapex | Sure | 22:24 |
| esp1 | yeah I wonder if we can ignore them for now if they really aren't blocking | 22:25 |
| hub_cap | ya i think thats what has to happen esp1 | 22:25 |
| grapex | The mgmt api uses some Nova extensions to grab some information not present in the API. For instance, it grabs the local ID, and the compute host of instances. | 22:25 |
| grapex | hub_cap is working on moving these extensions to the public. | 22:25 |
| hub_cap | wha!?!?!? i am?!??!??! | 22:25 |
| cp16net | lol | 22:25 |
| SlickNik | heh | 22:26 |
| hub_cap | hmm wasnt on my radar | 22:26 |
| hub_cap | #action hub_cap to work on moving the extensions for mgmt api to public | 22:26 |
| vipul | grapex: these are things not available thorugh nova api? | 22:26 |
| cp16net | vipul: right | 22:26 |
| hub_cap | so basically | 22:26 |
| hub_cap | we coded some extensions | 22:26 |
| hub_cap | and we need to make a separate repo for them | 22:26 |
| hub_cap | and anyone who needs to use the mgmt api needs those extensions | 22:27 |
| grapex | vipul: Yeah. Its all trivial stuff. | 22:27 |
| hub_cap | or we can try to get them _in_ to nova extensions, which is the best route imho | 22:27 |
| hub_cap | imnsho | 22:27 |
| vipul | Yea, We should separate the tests somehow, so that we can run things that require extensions separately | 22:27 |
| SlickNik | @grapex, hub_cap: Will these extensions need to be integrated into devstack as well? | 22:27 |
| vipul | hub_cap, yes that's hte only way we'd be able to use them, if they are in tip nova | 22:27 |
| hub_cap | if we test the mgmt api, they need to be integrated | 22:27 |
| grapex | vipul: Yes, it was like that at one point. :'( It shouldn't take too long to keep them from running again. | 22:28 |
| hub_cap | vipul: figured that'd be the case for yall :D | 22:28 |
| hub_cap | ok so OVZ | 22:28 |
| vipul | go for it | 22:28 |
| hub_cap | im still trying to tackle internally freeing up our resource to devote to ovz | 22:28 |
| hub_cap | had a conversation w/ my mgr today and i think i was able to convince to have him start owrking on it again | 22:28 |
| hub_cap | the real blocker is just one | 22:29 |
| hub_cap | the way ovz does volume stuffs is drastically different from the rest of nova | 22:29 |
| hub_cap | nova went and removed some of the mouting/formatting within a guest instance, and we still have that _in_ ovz | 22:29 |
| hub_cap | so we need to remove that so it aligns w/ the other hypervisor impls | 22:29 |
| vipul | #info real mode tests for management api require nova extensions | 22:30 |
| hub_cap | ill have another update next wk when i know more | 22:30 |
| vipul | #info OVZ impl requires some refactoring around volumes | 22:30 |
| vipul | #info Rax may dedicate resource to OVZ | 22:31 |
| vipul | #action hub_cap to provide another update on OVZ | 22:31 |
| hub_cap | _will_ dedicate vipul ;) | 22:31 |
| SlickNik | #info devstack integration will need to support nova extensions if we want to test management API in tempest. | 22:31 |
| SlickNik | lol | 22:31 |
| hub_cap | if nothign else im gonna be doing it | 22:31 |
| vipul | hub_cap, let us know if we can assist | 22:31 |
| hub_cap | awesome! | 22:31 |
| vipul | ok that wraps up actioin items | 22:32 |
| vipul | anything we missed? | 22:32 |
| hub_cap | hah only 30min in | 22:32 |
| cp16net | not too shabby | 22:32 |
| vipul | lol | 22:32 |
| SlickNik | go go go | 22:32 |
| vipul | #topic Volume Updates | 22:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Volume Updates (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 22:32 | |
| vipul | #info vipul still working on re-enabling volume support | 22:32 |
| hub_cap | vipul: i tihnk someone said u were working on that | 22:32 |
| hub_cap | :D | 22:32 |
| vipul | don't have much of an update at this point | 22:32 |
| hub_cap | cool no biggie | 22:33 |
| vipul | too many competing things taking my time | 22:33 |
| hub_cap | vipul: thats why i resigned as a dev mgr | 22:33 |
| cp16net | always the case... | 22:33 |
| cp16net | hah | 22:33 |
| hub_cap | :P | 22:33 |
| cp16net | i dont blame you | 22:33 |
| vipul | yea gotta get better at managing time for sure | 22:33 |
| vipul | moving on.. | 22:34 |
| vipul | #topic CI Updates / Image updates | 22:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI Updates / Image updates (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 22:34 | |
| steveleon | hub_cap, stop giving vipul ideas :p | 22:34 |
| hub_cap | HAHA steveleon | 22:34 |
| hub_cap | so ive passed the buck so to speak on image stuffs for now | 22:34 |
| vipul | juice_ updates on Image? | 22:35 |
| SlickNik | juice and kagan were hard at work on it, last time I saw them. | 22:35 |
| esp1 | juice_ is providing printing support :) | 22:36 |
| juice_ | yes building the images and test booting now | 22:36 |
| juice_ | having difficulty getting it to come up | 22:36 |
| juice_ | so rolling back configs until can figure out the exact problem | 22:36 |
| hub_cap | sweet | 22:36 |
| juice_ | but going good using the stack forge image builder | 22:36 |
| vipul | #info using the tripleo disk image builder, plan is to replace ubuntu-vm-builder | 22:37 |
| juice_ | talked to some of those guys this morning and there are few things still in flux on their side (image builder team) | 22:37 |
| vipul | k cool | 22:37 |
| vipul | #info image buildling work still in progress | 22:37 |
| vipul | CI? | 22:38 |
| vipul | SlickNik dkehn, anything else to add from earlier update? | 22:38 |
| dkehn | nope | 22:39 |
| SlickNik | Spoke with clarkb on what needs to be done to enable CI in tempest. | 22:39 |
| SlickNik | dkehn and I that is. | 22:39 |
| vipul | #info Redstack integration into Devstack ongoing | 22:39 |
| SlickNik | but will need to figure out the devstack integration piece first. | 22:39 |
| vipul | #info Tempest integration not started, conversations have begun | 22:40 |
| vipul | grapex, hub_cap: anything on your end? | 22:40 |
| hub_cap | not from me, grapex maybe, i know he is trying to get the tests shored up as much as possible in his time | 22:40 |
| grapex | vipul: Nothing new to report. Hopefully I'll have test changes to avoid use of the mgmt api in soon. | 22:41 |
| vipul | k moving on.. | 22:41 |
| vipul | #topic os_amin / root user | 22:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "os_amin / root user (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 22:41 | |
| vipul | don't know if we have any movement on this | 22:42 |
| hub_cap | ok then we can skip it | 22:42 |
| steveleon | what is the essence of this/. | 22:42 |
| vipul | #info SlickNik steveleon grapex to figure this out | 22:42 |
| steveleon | or the issue? | 22:42 |
| vipul | related to earlier action item update | 22:42 |
| hub_cap | yall brought up the need to use a _different_ user than os_admin | 22:42 |
| hub_cap | thats the user we use for admin'ing the box | 22:42 |
| hub_cap | err the mysql server | 22:42 |
| vipul | we may want to stick with that for now | 22:42 |
| cp16net | making it a configuration or something | 22:42 |
| hub_cap | right | 22:43 |
| vipul | until we get everything up and running | 22:43 |
| grapex | vipul: Sounds good. | 22:43 |
| steveleon | ok slicknik, maybe you can tell me offline why using os_admin doesnt work | 22:43 |
| vipul | #info possibly stick to os_admin as admin mysql user, until we have a use case | 22:43 |
| SlickNik | sure, let's chat about it offline at #reddwarf after the meeting. | 22:43 |
| vipul | #topic Dealing with Redstack | 22:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Dealing with Redstack (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 22:43 | |
| hub_cap | anything new to add here that hasnt been covered already? | 22:44 |
| vipul | don't think so, main thing remainign here is real mode tests | 22:44 |
| hub_cap | oh i have 1 thing ill need to update /w oslo | 22:44 |
| cp16net | dealing with it? meaning integrating with devstack? | 22:44 |
| hub_cap | no dealing with it :P | 22:44 |
| cp16net | oh i deal with it everyday | 22:45 |
| hub_cap | haha | 22:45 |
| cp16net | so done. :-P | 22:45 |
| vipul | i think we still need to fully understand everything that goes on in those scripts | 22:45 |
| hub_cap | since the paste config is a new file ill have to udpate that in redstack, watch for it as a separate commit | 22:45 |
| vipul | and we'll keep raising questions | 22:45 |
| hub_cap | yup vipul there is _too_ much there | 22:45 |
| hub_cap | :D | 22:45 |
| cp16net | yup | 22:45 |
| vipul | #info we're dealing with it | 22:46 |
| steveleon | i've been studying the redstack script while trying to setup reddwarf standalone... | 22:46 |
| cp16net | nice :) | 22:46 |
| steveleon | maybe i can be of any help | 22:46 |
| hub_cap | steveleon: yeesh thats a task | 22:46 |
| hub_cap | lol vipul nice info, just noticed that | 22:47 |
| hub_cap | ok so we move on to features? | 22:47 |
| vipul | anyone have anything else to add? | 22:47 |
| cp16net | i have some experience with it so if questions arise i can help where needed | 22:47 |
| cp16net | but its just bash | 22:47 |
| steveleon | i got dev stack and reddwarf running on two different cloud instances. i just need an image to start creating dbs | 22:47 |
| SlickNik | nope, good by me. | 22:47 |
| cp16net | so that should not be a big deal | 22:47 |
| SlickNik | bash what, cp16net? :P | 22:47 |
| hub_cap | steveleon: sweet | 22:47 |
| vipul | yep, I think the challenge is to figure out what things are absolutely required vs not | 22:48 |
| cp16net | bash = break stuff | 22:48 |
| cp16net | :-P | 22:48 |
| hub_cap | lol | 22:48 |
| vipul | #topic feature discussion | 22:48 |
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| cp16net | yeah there is alot of fluff that was added to redstack | 22:48 |
| hub_cap | soooooo, features | 22:48 |
| vipul | one question I had.. is there support for user/tenant level quotas? | 22:48 |
| vipul | I think i saw a global quota, but not user level, maybe soemthing we'll need | 22:49 |
| hub_cap | ya there is 2 configs | 22:49 |
| hub_cap | oh ya | 22:49 |
| cp16net | not separately | 22:49 |
| hub_cap | its global, sry | 22:49 |
| datsun180b | But that's for everyone, and not for individuals. | 22:49 |
| cp16net | yeah | 22:49 |
| hub_cap | we want it as well | 22:49 |
| hub_cap | we mgiht want to look into turnstyle | 22:49 |
| vipul | #info no user-level quotas, feature #1 add user-level quotas and update management APIs | 22:49 |
| vipul | hub_cap, I thought that was more for rate limiting? | 22:50 |
| vipul | could be wrong | 22:50 |
| hub_cap | https://github.com/klmitch/turnstile | 22:50 |
| hub_cap | #link https://github.com/klmitch/turnstile | 22:50 |
| vipul | need to setup redis...argh | 22:50 |
| hub_cap | i thikn it might just be rate limiting now | 22:50 |
| hub_cap | good call vipul | 22:50 |
| SlickNik | what's turnstyle? | 22:50 |
| hub_cap | we were talking about integrating repose in teh future as well vipul | 22:50 |
| hub_cap | so maybe there isint a need for it _in_ our application | 22:51 |
| SlickNik | thx, will look. | 22:51 |
| vipul | #info look at Turnstyle, repose as possible integration points | 22:51 |
| hub_cap | #action chat up w/ the openstack people about whether all projects should maintain their own quotas | 22:51 |
| vipul | not sure why this is not a 'common' thing yet | 22:51 |
| hub_cap | i honestly dont know what the right answer is | 22:51 |
| hub_cap | vipul: welcome to openstack :P | 22:51 |
| hub_cap | mabye we can make it a common thing | 22:51 |
| vipul | yea would make most sense there | 22:52 |
| vipul | k, other features.. | 22:52 |
| cp16net | yeah someone just needs to say that its common and then it becomes common | 22:52 |
| cp16net | :) | 22:52 |
| hub_cap | so yall had snapshots defined, was there any plan on moving that in? | 22:52 |
| hub_cap | cp16net: no joke | 22:52 |
| hub_cap | i think a general roadmap, going well in to next year should include | 22:52 |
| vipul | Yes, that is still part of the plan.. just not sure when we'll get to it | 22:53 |
| hub_cap | 1) snapshots, mycnf edits, rate limiting/quotas, and some sembalance of migrations | 22:53 |
| hub_cap | oops i forgot to number them | 22:53 |
| hub_cap | ahaha | 22:53 |
| hub_cap | thats all #1 its a big ole feature | 22:53 |
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| SlickNik | All those are 1 feature?!? | 22:53 |
| SlickNik | heh | 22:53 |
| hub_cap | hahaha YES SlickNik | 22:53 |
| vipul | what's wrong with migrations..? | 22:53 |
| hub_cap | we need to do _extra_ stuff to make sure they work w/ our environment | 22:54 |
| hub_cap | and to make sure our guest comes back online, etc.. | 22:54 |
| hub_cap | blindly calling nova migrate is a bit scary :D | 22:54 |
| datsun180b | We're getting there, though | 22:54 |
| vipul | #info replication is also part of our roadmap | 22:54 |
| hub_cap | most of the work is _def_ nova tho vipul | 22:54 |
| vipul | hub_cap.. oh vm migrations.. nvm | 22:55 |
| hub_cap | id lke to see some code that validates it on our end tho (i mean, there is a step that _has_ to validate it) | 22:55 |
| vipul | i'm slow | 22:55 |
| hub_cap | vipul: what migration were u talking about? | 22:55 |
| vipul | db | 22:55 |
| vipul | lol | 22:55 |
| vipul | sqlalchemy | 22:55 |
| hub_cap | lol | 22:55 |
| hub_cap | nice :P | 22:55 |
| vipul | honestly we haven't actually even started looking at that | 22:56 |
| hub_cap | yes we want to work on replication but thats a big scary task and its on our radar further in the year | 22:56 |
| hub_cap | so if u want to team up on it we might be able to devote some resources to research earlier | 22:56 |
| hub_cap | lets make sure we all knwo what features we are working on so we can work on them as a large group, cuz then we all get to do less work :D | 22:57 |
| SlickNik | Was the previous list in order of priority? | 22:57 |
| dkehn | there will be a lot to replication, cloning, fail-over, master-master, et.c | 22:57 |
| vipul | yep, that sounds good, i think we need to have a more formal planning meeting | 22:57 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: umm not 100% ordered but mostly | 22:57 |
| vipul | dkehn: i don't think we have to address everything right away, failover doesn't have to be automated for example | 22:57 |
| hub_cap | vipul: ya i thnk so too, maybe we do a google hangout for that and have a nice conversation about it | 22:57 |
| hub_cap | dkehn: i agree, replication scares the bejesus out of me due to how hard it is | 22:58 |
| dkehn | vipul, ouch manual failover with point time recovery.... | 22:58 |
| vipul | #action vipul and hub_cap to set up formal roadmap/feature meeting | 22:58 |
| yidclare | but people want the replication | 22:58 |
| vipul | dkehn: baby steps :) | 22:58 |
| dkehn | hub_cap, actually its not that bad | 22:58 |
| hub_cap | hell i was telling my mgr today that turning replication on is easy | 22:58 |
| esp1 | are backups on the road map or is that part of migration? | 22:58 |
| hub_cap | esp1: def | 22:58 |
| dkehn | its is easy, its what you do when it goes to s@!t | 22:58 |
| hub_cap | separate | 22:58 |
| hub_cap | yup | 22:59 |
| esp1 | cool | 22:59 |
| hub_cap | and its nicer w/ 5.5 too | 22:59 |
| dkehn | semi-sync is very nice | 22:59 |
| hub_cap | iirc the agent is no longer single threaded | 22:59 |
| dkehn | only one commit lag | 22:59 |
| hub_cap | im glad u feel beter about it than i dkehn :D | 22:59 |
| hub_cap | last thing i need is the engineers scrambling all the time when it fails!! | 23:00 |
| hub_cap | i mean honestly wrt features | 23:00 |
| dkehn | thats why it need to be automated | 23:00 |
| hub_cap | we need to do all the big mysql features right? its really about the order and whos working on what | 23:00 |
| hub_cap | dkehn: yup :D | 23:00 |
| hub_cap | but "automated" is such a fuzzy word | 23:00 |
| vipul | dkehn hub_cap we need to have a bigger discussion on this | 23:00 |
| hub_cap | vipul: absolutely | 23:00 |
| hub_cap | we could go on for hrs just on replication :D | 23:01 |
| cp16net | yup | 23:01 |
| hub_cap | also, we might want to condiser some sort of scheduler | 23:01 |
| hub_cap | not sure if its going overboard... | 23:01 |
| hub_cap | but my thought is this | 23:01 |
| hub_cap | we need ot have time windows to do things like backups, snapshots, etc... as to not overwhelm the entire environment | 23:01 |
| hub_cap | so there needs to be som arbiter of that logic somewhere | 23:02 |
| vipul | agreed | 23:02 |
| vipul | although scheduler types of features may be a bit further out | 23:02 |
| vipul | do we have any requirements now? | 23:02 |
| hub_cap | we can start it _easy_ but my guess will be tha the scheduler will be pretty generic in openstack so we can start using it | 23:02 |
| hub_cap | no not now | 23:02 |
| hub_cap | def future | 23:02 |
| esp1 | wonder what the cool kids are using for a scheduler in python these days. | 23:02 |
| hub_cap | esp1: roll your own :D | 23:03 |
| vipul | cron? | 23:03 |
| hub_cap | the #openstack way | 23:03 |
| esp1 | lol | 23:03 |
| cp16net | lol | 23:03 |
| hub_cap | i dont think its cron | 23:03 |
| hub_cap | cron is fuzzy too | 23:03 |
| hub_cap | i dont want to rely on external systems either | 23:03 |
| cp16net | its a python daemon | 23:03 |
| hub_cap | ive seen NASTY cron triggered hacky systems | 23:03 |
| esp1 | gotcha :) | 23:04 |
| vipul | https://github.com/rackspace/Tempo | 23:04 |
| hub_cap | but ya there was talk aabout making a generic scheduler | 23:04 |
| hub_cap | vipul: now that makes sense | 23:04 |
| vipul | anyone know if that's actually a real active thing? | 23:04 |
| hub_cap | for a end user | 23:04 |
| SlickNik | monitoring and managing cron jobs is a whole can of worms in itself. | 23:04 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: ya dude | 23:04 |
| hub_cap | vipul: im not privy to the upper echelon of things @rax | 23:05 |
| hub_cap | i havent even heard of that | 23:05 |
| hub_cap | but its >8mo old | 23:05 |
| vipul | k, we'll forget we ever saw it ;) | 23:05 |
| hub_cap | ya | 23:05 |
| vipul | k running over time | 23:05 |
| hub_cap | but srsly the openstack guys were tlaking about the need for a generic scheduler framework | 23:05 |
| hub_cap | since cinder, nova, and others will be using | 23:05 |
| esp1 | sorry to take things of course... | 23:05 |
| vipul | would be nice | 23:06 |
| hub_cap | so once we need to, we will ride that wave | 23:06 |
| vipul | any timeframe? | 23:06 |
| hub_cap | nope | 23:06 |
| vipul | figures | 23:06 |
| hub_cap | yup | 23:06 |
| vipul | #topic Open Discussion | 23:06 |
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| SlickNik | We don't need it right away; perhaps they will have something by the time we need it? | 23:06 |
| vipul | anything else we need to discuss? | 23:06 |
| hub_cap | #info prereq for migrations - grouping of instances | 23:06 |
| hub_cap | ^ ^ we need to start thinking about that in general | 23:06 |
| hub_cap | before we go dive into things that require > 1 server to be grouped together | 23:07 |
| vipul | is the host_id not reliable? | 23:07 |
| hub_cap | how do we determine Master X, Slave Y | 23:07 |
| vipul | meaning can't we lookup host_id of each instance to group things? | 23:07 |
| hub_cap | we need a mapping of sorts | 23:07 |
| vipul | i see | 23:07 |
| hub_cap | and id like to make it generic enough to support other things like a hadoop setup | 23:07 |
| hub_cap | ok tahts my random open discussion | 23:08 |
| SlickNik | well, we need some sort of collection of host by id, I guess. | 23:08 |
| vipul | #info consider tagging instances | 23:08 |
| esp1 | Has anyone run into issues running 12.04 w/ redstack? I have pending task on our end that I'd like to close. | 23:08 |
| vipul | i haven't tried yet on a fresh vm | 23:08 |
| vipul | hub_cap you were making some mods | 23:08 |
| SlickNik | I think the last one that hub_cap hit was upping mysql to 5.5...IIRC... | 23:09 |
| vipul | 12.04 good to go? | 23:09 |
| esp1 | I've tried on VMWare Fusion and our HPCloud instance... | 23:09 |
| hub_cap | i have a fresh vm | 23:09 |
| hub_cap | and everythign is good now | 23:09 |
| esp1 | cool, thx! | 23:09 |
| hub_cap | esp1: do u have the issuez? | 23:09 |
| hub_cap | if so chat w/ me | 23:09 |
| hub_cap | iirc i fired it up and ran it | 23:09 |
| vipul | #info 12.04 support completed | 23:09 |
| esp1 | hup_cap: I think it's just a lingering task that we kept around from last sprint. But I think we got it resolved. | 23:10 |
| vipul | ddemir is working on getting some unit tests into python-reddwarfclient | 23:10 |
| hub_cap | esp1: sweet | 23:11 |
| vipul | anyone got anything else? | 23:11 |
| SlickNik | good by me. | 23:11 |
| vipul | k, thanks for attending folks | 23:11 |
| dkehn | good night all | 23:12 |
| esp1 | thx! | 23:12 |
| vipul | dkehn: drink a few margaritas for us | 23:12 |
| vipul | in mexico | 23:12 |
| dkehn | I am so there | 23:12 |
| SlickNik | heh, have fun dkehn. :) | 23:12 |
| SlickNik | thanks all, see you around in #reddwarf! | 23:13 |
| hub_cap | nice :P | 23:13 |
| hub_cap | woah | 23:13 |
| hub_cap | we dont have a ton of action items!!! | 23:13 |
| vipul | did we miss any? | 23:13 |
| vipul | if not ending meeting | 23:13 |
| hub_cap | nope | 23:13 |
| hub_cap | im just surprised :P | 23:13 |
| vipul | #endmeeting | 23:14 |
| hub_cap | end it dude!! | 23:14 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 4 23:14:03 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:14 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2012/reddwarf.2012-12-04-22.00.html | 23:14 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2012/reddwarf.2012-12-04-22.00.txt | 23:14 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2012/reddwarf.2012-12-04-22.00.log.html | 23:14 |
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| vipul | we've got 9 | 23:14 |
| vipul | plenty | 23:14 |
| hub_cap | only 9 action items nice!! | 23:14 |
| hub_cap | ya guess so :P | 23:14 |
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| SlickNik | How did you look at the action items before meeting was ended? Search for #action? | 23:14 |
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| hub_cap | SlickNik: no we clicked fast on the html | 23:15 |
| hub_cap | and scrolled down | 23:15 |
| hub_cap | lets take to #reddwarf | 23:15 |
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