Tuesday, 2013-01-08

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cp16netwhat up22:00
jcooleyhowdy22:00
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SlickNik'sup22:00
datsun180bHiya22:00
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vipulwho's running the meeting22:01
dkehnhere22:01
vipulhub_cap?22:01
SlickNikWelcome to 201322:01
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juiceheh-choo! hi22:01
cp16neti have not seen hub_cap22:01
cp16neti think hes off in baby land22:02
juiceI haven't seen him in a couple of days on this chat22:02
jcooleywha's on the agenda?22:02
vipul#startmeeting reddwarf22:02
openstackMeeting started Tue Jan  8 22:02:18 2013 UTC.  The chair is vipul. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.22:02
juicemaybe it's just me22:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.22:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'reddwarf'22:02
annashencool22:02
vipul#topic Action Items22:02
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cp16neti updated the evesdrop from last time we talked22:03
vipulOk we'll go through the Action items from the previous meeting -- seems like ages22:03
vipul#Link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/RedDwarfMeeting22:03
vipul#link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/RedDwarfMeeting22:03
vipul1. vipul to file blueprint on quota support in Reddwarf22:03
dkehnhttp://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2012/reddwarf.2012-12-18-22.00.html22:03
vipulHave not filed blueprint yet.22:03
jcooleywe may have to delay on blueprint filing :(22:04
vipulWe may still have some legal issues around blueprints, and may need to revert to you guys filing22:04
vipulyep22:04
dkehnwho guys22:04
jcooleyunless we can get one of the rackspace folks to start it :)22:04
cp16netalright what ever we can do :)22:04
datsun180bwho guys == rax22:04
dkehnthx22:04
vipul#Action Vipul to file blueprint on quota support in Reddwarf22:05
vipuli wonder if capitalization matter.. meh22:05
vipul2. hub_cap SlickNik vipul to discuss w/ mordred the implications of multiple images housed in reddwarf and how we woudl do it22:05
esp1I guess I need one for getting testr into reddwarf as well22:05
cp16netesp1: yeah that wouldnt hurt22:05
vipulesp1: there is an open review started by steveleon22:06
vipulthat will bring in testr22:06
jcooleywhat is testr?22:06
esp1#Action Dan file a blue print for planning testr -> reddwarf22:06
esp1testr is the preferred testing framework of openstack?22:06
jcooleyare we the only openstack project using it?22:06
esp1at least that's the word on the street.22:06
grapexNo, other projects recently switched.22:06
jcooleyah, thought openstack's test framework was tempest22:06
vipuljcooley: no, it's becoming the replacement for nose22:06
jcooleyah.. one level removed.22:07
SlickNikcoming back to action items...22:07
vipulok for #2, anyone talk to mordred?22:07
SlickNikStill been waiting on getting the initial diskimage-builder drop workign, so haven't had a chance to talk to mordred yet.22:07
jcooleymordred's in UK this week.  still on irc, just harder to reach22:07
vipul#action SlickNik, hub_cap, juice, vipul talk to mordred about housing multiple images (elements) in reddwarf22:08
SlickNikWill have to get the conversation started as yet. So this is still needed.22:08
esp1I saw mordred walk pass my bus stop the other day if that counts22:08
juicewe can do this when mordred is back in the states22:08
jcooleycan you guys talk with robert c/lifeless?22:08
jcooleyor devananda?22:08
vipulhow far are we off on getting the first drop of image builder in?22:08
juicesure22:08
dkehnmordred's in bristol at the moment22:09
juiceI'll have it wrapped up today (fingers crossed)22:09
juicejust one issue with mysql password which I need to get from the old process22:09
juice…on how it was set22:09
juiceprior to diskimage_builder22:09
vipul#info diskimage builder first-drop shoudl be landing this week22:09
vipulok, next item was for hub_cap, #3 hub_cap to look into slowness issues w/ qemu22:10
cp16neti talked with him last week about this22:10
dkehnI can take up the issue of the multiple images with Robert and or Monty22:10
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cp16netand found out that it was just a option that we needed to enable.22:10
vipulcp16net: ok, this was the fusion fix?22:11
cp16netthis sped up the build process for me from about ~10-15 min to ~2-3 min22:11
cp16netvipul: yea it was specific for me to vmware fusion22:11
cp16neti plan on writing up a doc on the reddwarf-integration README.md so that it will be doced some where22:11
SlickNikcp16net: is there something that Virtualbox users can do? If so, I'll talk to you offline :)22:12
vipuldkehn: great, let's figure out what their thoughts are for this22:12
cp16netSlickNik: maybe i'll let you know offline.22:12
dkehnvipul, will do, been talking to Robert pretty regular of late22:12
SlickNikcp16net: cool, thanks!22:12
cp16netnp22:12
vipulok, next item was for me.. vipul to investigate volume_support on/off in fake mode22:12
cp16netSlickNik: maybe you can add to the doc that i will update22:13
vipulI did not really get muh of a chance to look into fake mode tests22:13
vipulwill plan on doing that this week22:13
cp16netcool22:13
vipulcp16net, is this still something to look into? or do your fixes resolve this22:13
grapexvipul: Let me know if you need anything.22:13
cp16neti dont think this is the same as what i have been working on22:13
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cp16neti've been working on the real mode tests22:14
vipulok, so there are still questions on where volume_support is..22:14
vipulif so, i'll plan to look at it22:14
esp1vipul: you probably just need to run the reddwarf tests with tox I think22:14
cp16netyeah if i get some time i will peak into the volume support22:14
vipul#action vipul, cp16net to look into volume support in fake/real mode22:15
vipulthat's all the action items we had on the list, anything else we may have forgotten to capture?22:15
SlickNikThere's a couple of items related to the devstack integration piece I can update on.22:16
vipulok let me change topic22:16
vipul#topic Devstack Integration updates22:16
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dkehnheads up SlickNik making changes to the local.sh file to detect DATABASEPASSWORD not set22:16
dkehnand will be changing the messaging22:16
SlickNikdkehn, you need to set that in localrc22:16
dkehnto conform to the stack\.sh and devstack-vm-gate studff22:17
SlickNikwe can take this offline.22:17
dkehnSlickNik, true, but its its not it hangs22:17
dkehntrue22:17
vipulfor those that may have missed the discussion in #openstack-dev, the Devstack folks pushed back on getting Reddwarf Integrated..22:17
vipulSlickNik, can you talk about the new approach22:17
dkehndid they give a reason?22:17
SlickNikdevstack is getting too big and unmaintainable.22:17
dkehnlol, no kidding22:18
SlickNikwith lots of components.22:18
vipulthey don't want non-core projects22:18
cp16netand harder to test22:18
SlickNikSo they don't want non-core components included.22:18
SlickNikBut they have a hook where they run the local.sh script if it exists.22:18
SlickNikSo they suggested refactoring all the changes into local.sh and using that option.22:19
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SlickNikThey local.sh to use is checked in under scripts under the reddwarf-integration project.22:19
jcooleywell, it's one step closer...22:19
cp16netyeah i think that makes sense and gives us more control over how things work in side of our project22:19
jcooleycan we get it included into devstack/samples?22:19
vipul#info Devstack team pushed back on full-on integration of Reddwarf, in favor of local.sh approach22:20
cp16netalthough there is another side that make it if they change things in devstack it can break us without noticing22:20
SlickNikjcooley: I've pinged the devstack devs about that, but still waiting on an answer22:20
SlickNikso will update you guys on that.22:20
vipulyea, would be nice to be visible in devstack somewhere22:20
vipulSlickNik, what does it mean for redstack?22:20
SlickNik#agreed22:20
vipulstill remains a wrapper, but much smaller?22:21
jcooleycp16net: can you refresh me on the diff between reddwarf & reddwarf-integ?22:21
SlickNikthere's still some cleaning/refactoring that is needed for redstack to clean it up.22:21
SlickNikYes, it would make it smaller/cleaner.22:21
cp16netjcooley: reddwarf is the code base and rd-int is the setup/conf/testing part22:22
vipuljcooley: reddwarf is our core source tree, only unit tests -- redddwarf-int is where redstack and integration tests live22:22
SlickNikjcooley: also redstack is a script in reddwarf-int22:22
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jcooleyah. kind of get it.  wondering if some of this can go to reddwarf? but maybe I'm not seeing this clearly.22:23
grapexreddwarf-int is like devstack + tests for reddwarf.22:23
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SlickNikRight now I'm working with clarkb on configuring the gate to run devstack-vm-gate with a build of reddwarf.22:23
SlickNikwill look at refactoring redstack (reddwarf-int) soon after.22:24
vipulnice22:24
jcooleycool.  just looking at the model we present to non-rd'ers.22:24
SlickNik#action Slicknik working on configuring gate to run devstack with reddwarf's local.sh22:24
vipulSlickNik, will the gate be on Reddwarf or Rd-int or both22:24
dkehnSlickNik, we need to discuss devstack-vm-gate22:25
SlickNikWorking on putting it on Reddwarf.22:25
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SlickNikWe can have it on rd-int if we think it's necessary as well.22:25
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SlickNikWanted to discuss that with grapex, esp since I'm not sure which tests we want to run for which gate.22:25
esp1I've been wondering myself22:26
vipulSlickNik, we need some gates to RD-Int22:26
SlickNikBut it seems legit to have it for both.22:26
vipulsince there really aren't any22:26
SlickNikYeah.22:26
cp16neti would think we should run the real mode tests if we can22:26
SlickNikright now it's a no-op.22:26
vipul#agree with cp16net, run full on real mode tests22:26
cp16netthey are *working* right now for me :)22:26
esp1yeah if we are saying time is not an issue for running the tests I guess real mode would catch more stuff22:27
SlickNik#agreed22:27
SlickNik#action SlickNik to look at updating both reddwarf and reddwarf-int gates.22:27
vipul#info devstack-vm-gate will be on both Reddwarf and Reddwarf-Int22:27
cp16netyes but make sure we run through the fake-mode first because it should catch all the silly mistakes first22:27
esp1makes sense22:27
SlickNikokay.22:27
datsun180blike pep 8 :322:27
esp1do you think we should pull on the simple-test groups in favor now?22:28
SlickNikdkehn: will sync with you on the devstack-vm-gate offline after meeting22:28
dkehnSlickNik, k22:28
vipulesp1: you mean get rid of that group?22:28
vipulseems like blackbox is now working, so switch to that?22:29
esp1vipul: yeah sorry, bad sentence22:29
jcooleyslicknik: re- tests. probably want one gate (ie one set of tests that's run from multiple triggers) unless there's a clear subset that would need to be run in some cases.22:29
esp1vipul: I'll fly the idea around and see what the consensus is.22:30
SlickNikjcooley: That makes sense. I'm not aware of any subsets at the moment.22:30
vipulSlickNik, i think just run 'blackbox' group to start with22:30
cp16net#agreed22:30
datsun180bright22:31
SlickNikso blackbox in fake and then blackbox in real?22:31
vipulyep, if that's possible22:31
grapexWe may be able to run blackbox in fake for multiple configurations as well, such as with volume support turned off.22:31
SlickNikgood point, grapex. I'll sync with you and esp to see what configs make sense for the gate tests.22:32
cp16netyeah that shouldnt be to difficult... just changing up the test.conf22:32
vipulgrapex: yea, we should toggle config, maybe only do that in fake22:32
vipulmay take too long in real mode to go through every permutation22:32
vipulok, anything else for Devstack?22:32
SlickNikThat's pretty much all I had on the devstack integration piece.22:33
vipulif not..22:33
vipul#topic Testing Updates22:33
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cp16netgreat news22:33
cp16neti've fixed lots of issues :)22:33
esp1yay!22:34
vipulgotta get that basket of fruit approved! :)22:34
esp1thx!22:34
SlickNikyeah, nice work!22:34
cp16neti made blackbox run all the way through and ran it multiple times now22:34
vipulw/o rebuildling?22:34
cp16netyeah no rebuild22:34
cp16netjust make sure that there are no instances alive22:35
esp1cp16net: I'm just about to grab the latest22:35
cp16netyeah and esp1 has been running it through as well22:35
vipulsweet22:35
vipulare thre more patches you need to push up? or should we start merging the existing one22:36
cp16netone weird issue i found was when calling the confirm resize method to nova right after the instance changes to verify_resize state it fails22:36
cp16neti think there is some kind of race condition there so i put a sleep for 5 seconds22:36
cp16netthis seems to solve it for now22:36
cp16netvipul: there are 2 patches22:36
cp16net1 to reddwarf22:36
cp16netand 1 to reddwarf-integration22:36
vipulok, i've only seen the one you had for rd-i22:37
cp16net#info reddwarf https://review.openstack.org/#/c/18962/22:37
vipulthere we go22:37
cp16net#info reddwarf-integration https://review.openstack.org/#/c/19241/22:37
vipulok cool... let's try to get these merged today if we can22:38
SlickNikcp16net: yeah, I saw that. Almost commented that your log message says to "wait a sec", but you sleep for 5. :P22:38
cp16neti'd like everyone to look it over them and get them in22:38
SlickNikworking my way through the review.22:38
cp16netawesome let me know if anyone has q's22:39
vipulother testing updates... annashen is basically adding a bunch for guestagnet22:39
annashenright, i did22:39
cp16netawesome22:40
vipulwe're also going to start adding 'unit tests' for reddwarf, sort of method-levle tests for the models, controllers, etc22:40
cp16netcan we run converage on it?22:40
cp16netso we can see whats covered?22:40
cp16netgrapex/datsun180b: didnt you do this at some point?22:41
vipulwe did this before as well, i'd have to find where it is22:41
grapexYes, the current tests will generate a coverage report with "tox -ecoverage"22:41
datsun180bCoverage? tox -ecover22:41
esp1I think we were just eyeballing code and were looking to write tests that directly test the model layer etc22:41
grapexBut ultimately it'd be cool to have two sets of coverage, one just for the unit tests.22:42
esp1datsub180b: yeah that still works.  we ran that at one point22:42
vipulgrapex, datsun180b, cp16net: what are your thoughts on sqllite based tests?22:42
esp1grapex: yeah that's what I think we are shooting for22:42
vipulbasically to test the models, we don't do this now22:42
grapexvipul: I say we use sqlite from unit tests tactically. If that makes it easier than using mock, and the code is easy to read, I think we should avail ourselves of it.22:43
datsun180bGosh, I was going to say the exactly the same thing but he typed quicker22:43
grapexI think in some cases using sqlite can get in the way - like datsun180b's recent pull request to change the resize code paths, there using mocks was easier.22:43
dkehnguys have to step out for a bit, will read the trasscript later.22:44
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vipulgrapex: sounds good, i think it may make sense for things taht actually read from the DB to be tested against a db22:44
esp1grapex: yeah that could work.  I think I have a task to look into that further.  for sure some of the tests are already using sqlite in fake mode22:44
datsun180bI'd appreciate having consistent/reusable entries in a handy sqlite database (like instances) instead of having to mock out everything, but there are cases where it's just easier to mock something and take off running with it22:44
vipulbut yes, so we use both approaches where appropriate22:44
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vipulok, anything else around testing?22:46
cp16netyeah i agree if it gives us better coverage i am for it22:46
SlickNik#info Use either sqllite or mock for tests, tactically choosing whichever is appropriate22:46
esp1cool, I was gonna fold all this into the blue print for using testr if that works22:46
vipulesp1: Yep, go for it22:46
SlickNiksounds good.22:47
vipul#action esp1 to add unit testing details to testr blueprint sqlite vs fakes22:47
esp1use of mocks, sqlite3 etc to test models and friends22:47
esp1thx22:47
vipul#topic Image Builder Updates22:47
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vipulI think we touched on this a bit earlier22:47
vipuljuice?22:47
SlickNikyeah, he mentioned that he was really close to having this done and checked in.22:48
vipulK, looks like we should have Percona image soon after22:49
SlickNikwas having one last issue with the initial myssql password that he was close to figuring out.22:49
vipulonce we figure out where to put it22:49
vipulSlickNik, is image building part of local.sh?22:50
vipulor is that still going to be done via Redstack22:50
SlickNikIt's not yet part of local.sh.22:50
SlickNikBut if we want to run any real tests involving the instances/guest agent, it will have to be.22:51
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SlickNikSo once juice is done with building it into redstack, I will have to integrate it into local.sh.22:52
vipul#info Image Building will be integrated into local.sh22:52
vipulcool22:52
vipulany other items around Image building?22:52
SlickNikI think we have real mode tests that depend on the image being built and uploaded to glance, correct?22:52
juicesorry back now22:52
juiceupdates were reported earlier22:53
juicedone with support task and getting back to that now22:53
vipulSlickNik: yes, thre are tests that spin up instances via the mysql image22:53
vipul#topic Open Discussion22:54
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cp16netRan 112 tests in 1166.799s22:54
esp1cool :) I'm running them now.22:54
vipulis that all of em?22:55
esp1waiting for guest22:55
cp16netall blackbox tests22:55
SlickNikneato.22:55
vipulthe longest ones are the ones that wait for the guest to come up?22:55
cp16netyup22:56
cp16netalways22:56
esp1pretty much22:56
SlickNikmakes sense.22:56
cp16netbecause its waiting on nova to "do stuff"22:56
esp1it's good for day dreaming or going to meetings though22:56
vipullol, or coffee22:56
cp16nethah yea22:56
cp16netsleeping22:57
SlickNikheh, I don't know if that's enough time for a meeting, esp1 :P22:57
vipulOne thing collectively we could do better is reviews :)22:57
cp16netplay a game of foosball22:57
vipulwe should +1 or +2 thing more frequently22:57
cp16netyeah its not that bad when there are only like 5 reviews22:58
esp1yeah foosball would be great.  I won the tournament one year when I work at the UW.22:58
cp16netanyone have abandon priv?22:58
SlickNikabandon priv?22:58
cp16nethttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/17133/22:58
cp16netabandon that review22:59
vipulI think if it's your own, you can abandon22:59
vipulkaganos: ^^22:59
vipulcan you click 'abandon'?22:59
kaganosi'll try ...22:59
SlickNikoh, I see.22:59
cp16netthanks!22:59
cp16net:)22:59
vipulok, anything else?23:00
vipulright on time..23:00
SlickNiknope, all good here.23:00
cp16netgood to go home...23:00
cp16net:)23:00
vipulis hub_cap on vacay?23:00
cp16neti dunno where he disappeared to23:01
cp16neti thought he was going to be back today23:01
* cp16net shrugs23:01
vipulfair 'nuf23:01
vipulwe're done23:01
vipul#endmeeting23:01
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esp1thx23:01
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2013/reddwarf.2013-01-08-22.02.html23:01
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2013/reddwarf.2013-01-08-22.02.txt23:01
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2013/reddwarf.2013-01-08-22.02.log.html23:02
SlickNikcool, thanks all23:02
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amytvipul:  yes, he's out today. returns tomorrow23:02
vipulamy1: thanks!23:03
kaganosdone.23:03
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