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cp16net | what up | 22:00 |
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jcooley | howdy | 22:00 |
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SlickNik | 'sup | 22:00 |
datsun180b | Hiya | 22:00 |
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vipul | who's running the meeting | 22:01 |
dkehn | here | 22:01 |
vipul | hub_cap? | 22:01 |
SlickNik | Welcome to 2013 | 22:01 |
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juice | heh-choo! hi | 22:01 |
cp16net | i have not seen hub_cap | 22:01 |
cp16net | i think hes off in baby land | 22:02 |
juice | I haven't seen him in a couple of days on this chat | 22:02 |
jcooley | wha's on the agenda? | 22:02 |
vipul | #startmeeting reddwarf | 22:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 8 22:02:18 2013 UTC. The chair is vipul. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:02 |
juice | maybe it's just me | 22:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:02 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 22:02 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'reddwarf' | 22:02 |
annashen | cool | 22:02 |
vipul | #topic Action Items | 22:02 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Action Items (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 22:02 | |
cp16net | i updated the evesdrop from last time we talked | 22:03 |
vipul | Ok we'll go through the Action items from the previous meeting -- seems like ages | 22:03 |
vipul | #Link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/RedDwarfMeeting | 22:03 |
vipul | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/RedDwarfMeeting | 22:03 |
vipul | 1. vipul to file blueprint on quota support in Reddwarf | 22:03 |
dkehn | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2012/reddwarf.2012-12-18-22.00.html | 22:03 |
vipul | Have not filed blueprint yet. | 22:03 |
jcooley | we may have to delay on blueprint filing :( | 22:04 |
vipul | We may still have some legal issues around blueprints, and may need to revert to you guys filing | 22:04 |
vipul | yep | 22:04 |
dkehn | who guys | 22:04 |
jcooley | unless we can get one of the rackspace folks to start it :) | 22:04 |
cp16net | alright what ever we can do :) | 22:04 |
datsun180b | who guys == rax | 22:04 |
dkehn | thx | 22:04 |
vipul | #Action Vipul to file blueprint on quota support in Reddwarf | 22:05 |
vipul | i wonder if capitalization matter.. meh | 22:05 |
vipul | 2. hub_cap SlickNik vipul to discuss w/ mordred the implications of multiple images housed in reddwarf and how we woudl do it | 22:05 |
esp1 | I guess I need one for getting testr into reddwarf as well | 22:05 |
cp16net | esp1: yeah that wouldnt hurt | 22:05 |
vipul | esp1: there is an open review started by steveleon | 22:06 |
vipul | that will bring in testr | 22:06 |
jcooley | what is testr? | 22:06 |
esp1 | #Action Dan file a blue print for planning testr -> reddwarf | 22:06 |
esp1 | testr is the preferred testing framework of openstack? | 22:06 |
jcooley | are we the only openstack project using it? | 22:06 |
esp1 | at least that's the word on the street. | 22:06 |
grapex | No, other projects recently switched. | 22:06 |
jcooley | ah, thought openstack's test framework was tempest | 22:06 |
vipul | jcooley: no, it's becoming the replacement for nose | 22:06 |
jcooley | ah.. one level removed. | 22:07 |
SlickNik | coming back to action items... | 22:07 |
vipul | ok for #2, anyone talk to mordred? | 22:07 |
SlickNik | Still been waiting on getting the initial diskimage-builder drop workign, so haven't had a chance to talk to mordred yet. | 22:07 |
jcooley | mordred's in UK this week. still on irc, just harder to reach | 22:07 |
vipul | #action SlickNik, hub_cap, juice, vipul talk to mordred about housing multiple images (elements) in reddwarf | 22:08 |
SlickNik | Will have to get the conversation started as yet. So this is still needed. | 22:08 |
esp1 | I saw mordred walk pass my bus stop the other day if that counts | 22:08 |
juice | we can do this when mordred is back in the states | 22:08 |
jcooley | can you guys talk with robert c/lifeless? | 22:08 |
jcooley | or devananda? | 22:08 |
vipul | how far are we off on getting the first drop of image builder in? | 22:08 |
juice | sure | 22:08 |
dkehn | mordred's in bristol at the moment | 22:09 |
juice | I'll have it wrapped up today (fingers crossed) | 22:09 |
juice | just one issue with mysql password which I need to get from the old process | 22:09 |
juice | …on how it was set | 22:09 |
juice | prior to diskimage_builder | 22:09 |
vipul | #info diskimage builder first-drop shoudl be landing this week | 22:09 |
vipul | ok, next item was for hub_cap, #3 hub_cap to look into slowness issues w/ qemu | 22:10 |
cp16net | i talked with him last week about this | 22:10 |
dkehn | I can take up the issue of the multiple images with Robert and or Monty | 22:10 |
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cp16net | and found out that it was just a option that we needed to enable. | 22:10 |
vipul | cp16net: ok, this was the fusion fix? | 22:11 |
cp16net | this sped up the build process for me from about ~10-15 min to ~2-3 min | 22:11 |
cp16net | vipul: yea it was specific for me to vmware fusion | 22:11 |
cp16net | i plan on writing up a doc on the reddwarf-integration README.md so that it will be doced some where | 22:11 |
SlickNik | cp16net: is there something that Virtualbox users can do? If so, I'll talk to you offline :) | 22:12 |
vipul | dkehn: great, let's figure out what their thoughts are for this | 22:12 |
cp16net | SlickNik: maybe i'll let you know offline. | 22:12 |
dkehn | vipul, will do, been talking to Robert pretty regular of late | 22:12 |
SlickNik | cp16net: cool, thanks! | 22:12 |
cp16net | np | 22:12 |
vipul | ok, next item was for me.. vipul to investigate volume_support on/off in fake mode | 22:12 |
cp16net | SlickNik: maybe you can add to the doc that i will update | 22:13 |
vipul | I did not really get muh of a chance to look into fake mode tests | 22:13 |
vipul | will plan on doing that this week | 22:13 |
cp16net | cool | 22:13 |
vipul | cp16net, is this still something to look into? or do your fixes resolve this | 22:13 |
grapex | vipul: Let me know if you need anything. | 22:13 |
cp16net | i dont think this is the same as what i have been working on | 22:13 |
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cp16net | i've been working on the real mode tests | 22:14 |
vipul | ok, so there are still questions on where volume_support is.. | 22:14 |
vipul | if so, i'll plan to look at it | 22:14 |
esp1 | vipul: you probably just need to run the reddwarf tests with tox I think | 22:14 |
cp16net | yeah if i get some time i will peak into the volume support | 22:14 |
vipul | #action vipul, cp16net to look into volume support in fake/real mode | 22:15 |
vipul | that's all the action items we had on the list, anything else we may have forgotten to capture? | 22:15 |
SlickNik | There's a couple of items related to the devstack integration piece I can update on. | 22:16 |
vipul | ok let me change topic | 22:16 |
vipul | #topic Devstack Integration updates | 22:16 |
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dkehn | heads up SlickNik making changes to the local.sh file to detect DATABASEPASSWORD not set | 22:16 |
dkehn | and will be changing the messaging | 22:16 |
SlickNik | dkehn, you need to set that in localrc | 22:16 |
dkehn | to conform to the stack\.sh and devstack-vm-gate studff | 22:17 |
SlickNik | we can take this offline. | 22:17 |
dkehn | SlickNik, true, but its its not it hangs | 22:17 |
dkehn | true | 22:17 |
vipul | for those that may have missed the discussion in #openstack-dev, the Devstack folks pushed back on getting Reddwarf Integrated.. | 22:17 |
vipul | SlickNik, can you talk about the new approach | 22:17 |
dkehn | did they give a reason? | 22:17 |
SlickNik | devstack is getting too big and unmaintainable. | 22:17 |
dkehn | lol, no kidding | 22:18 |
SlickNik | with lots of components. | 22:18 |
vipul | they don't want non-core projects | 22:18 |
cp16net | and harder to test | 22:18 |
SlickNik | So they don't want non-core components included. | 22:18 |
SlickNik | But they have a hook where they run the local.sh script if it exists. | 22:18 |
SlickNik | So they suggested refactoring all the changes into local.sh and using that option. | 22:19 |
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SlickNik | They local.sh to use is checked in under scripts under the reddwarf-integration project. | 22:19 |
jcooley | well, it's one step closer... | 22:19 |
cp16net | yeah i think that makes sense and gives us more control over how things work in side of our project | 22:19 |
jcooley | can we get it included into devstack/samples? | 22:19 |
vipul | #info Devstack team pushed back on full-on integration of Reddwarf, in favor of local.sh approach | 22:20 |
cp16net | although there is another side that make it if they change things in devstack it can break us without noticing | 22:20 |
SlickNik | jcooley: I've pinged the devstack devs about that, but still waiting on an answer | 22:20 |
SlickNik | so will update you guys on that. | 22:20 |
vipul | yea, would be nice to be visible in devstack somewhere | 22:20 |
vipul | SlickNik, what does it mean for redstack? | 22:20 |
SlickNik | #agreed | 22:20 |
vipul | still remains a wrapper, but much smaller? | 22:21 |
jcooley | cp16net: can you refresh me on the diff between reddwarf & reddwarf-integ? | 22:21 |
SlickNik | there's still some cleaning/refactoring that is needed for redstack to clean it up. | 22:21 |
SlickNik | Yes, it would make it smaller/cleaner. | 22:21 |
cp16net | jcooley: reddwarf is the code base and rd-int is the setup/conf/testing part | 22:22 |
vipul | jcooley: reddwarf is our core source tree, only unit tests -- redddwarf-int is where redstack and integration tests live | 22:22 |
SlickNik | jcooley: also redstack is a script in reddwarf-int | 22:22 |
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jcooley | ah. kind of get it. wondering if some of this can go to reddwarf? but maybe I'm not seeing this clearly. | 22:23 |
grapex | reddwarf-int is like devstack + tests for reddwarf. | 22:23 |
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SlickNik | Right now I'm working with clarkb on configuring the gate to run devstack-vm-gate with a build of reddwarf. | 22:23 |
SlickNik | will look at refactoring redstack (reddwarf-int) soon after. | 22:24 |
vipul | nice | 22:24 |
jcooley | cool. just looking at the model we present to non-rd'ers. | 22:24 |
SlickNik | #action Slicknik working on configuring gate to run devstack with reddwarf's local.sh | 22:24 |
vipul | SlickNik, will the gate be on Reddwarf or Rd-int or both | 22:24 |
dkehn | SlickNik, we need to discuss devstack-vm-gate | 22:25 |
SlickNik | Working on putting it on Reddwarf. | 22:25 |
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SlickNik | We can have it on rd-int if we think it's necessary as well. | 22:25 |
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SlickNik | Wanted to discuss that with grapex, esp since I'm not sure which tests we want to run for which gate. | 22:25 |
esp1 | I've been wondering myself | 22:26 |
vipul | SlickNik, we need some gates to RD-Int | 22:26 |
SlickNik | But it seems legit to have it for both. | 22:26 |
vipul | since there really aren't any | 22:26 |
SlickNik | Yeah. | 22:26 |
cp16net | i would think we should run the real mode tests if we can | 22:26 |
SlickNik | right now it's a no-op. | 22:26 |
vipul | #agree with cp16net, run full on real mode tests | 22:26 |
cp16net | they are *working* right now for me :) | 22:26 |
esp1 | yeah if we are saying time is not an issue for running the tests I guess real mode would catch more stuff | 22:27 |
SlickNik | #agreed | 22:27 |
SlickNik | #action SlickNik to look at updating both reddwarf and reddwarf-int gates. | 22:27 |
vipul | #info devstack-vm-gate will be on both Reddwarf and Reddwarf-Int | 22:27 |
cp16net | yes but make sure we run through the fake-mode first because it should catch all the silly mistakes first | 22:27 |
esp1 | makes sense | 22:27 |
SlickNik | okay. | 22:27 |
datsun180b | like pep 8 :3 | 22:27 |
esp1 | do you think we should pull on the simple-test groups in favor now? | 22:28 |
SlickNik | dkehn: will sync with you on the devstack-vm-gate offline after meeting | 22:28 |
dkehn | SlickNik, k | 22:28 |
vipul | esp1: you mean get rid of that group? | 22:28 |
vipul | seems like blackbox is now working, so switch to that? | 22:29 |
esp1 | vipul: yeah sorry, bad sentence | 22:29 |
jcooley | slicknik: re- tests. probably want one gate (ie one set of tests that's run from multiple triggers) unless there's a clear subset that would need to be run in some cases. | 22:29 |
esp1 | vipul: I'll fly the idea around and see what the consensus is. | 22:30 |
SlickNik | jcooley: That makes sense. I'm not aware of any subsets at the moment. | 22:30 |
vipul | SlickNik, i think just run 'blackbox' group to start with | 22:30 |
cp16net | #agreed | 22:30 |
datsun180b | right | 22:31 |
SlickNik | so blackbox in fake and then blackbox in real? | 22:31 |
vipul | yep, if that's possible | 22:31 |
grapex | We may be able to run blackbox in fake for multiple configurations as well, such as with volume support turned off. | 22:31 |
SlickNik | good point, grapex. I'll sync with you and esp to see what configs make sense for the gate tests. | 22:32 |
cp16net | yeah that shouldnt be to difficult... just changing up the test.conf | 22:32 |
vipul | grapex: yea, we should toggle config, maybe only do that in fake | 22:32 |
vipul | may take too long in real mode to go through every permutation | 22:32 |
vipul | ok, anything else for Devstack? | 22:32 |
SlickNik | That's pretty much all I had on the devstack integration piece. | 22:33 |
vipul | if not.. | 22:33 |
vipul | #topic Testing Updates | 22:33 |
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cp16net | great news | 22:33 |
cp16net | i've fixed lots of issues :) | 22:33 |
esp1 | yay! | 22:34 |
vipul | gotta get that basket of fruit approved! :) | 22:34 |
esp1 | thx! | 22:34 |
SlickNik | yeah, nice work! | 22:34 |
cp16net | i made blackbox run all the way through and ran it multiple times now | 22:34 |
vipul | w/o rebuildling? | 22:34 |
cp16net | yeah no rebuild | 22:34 |
cp16net | just make sure that there are no instances alive | 22:35 |
esp1 | cp16net: I'm just about to grab the latest | 22:35 |
cp16net | yeah and esp1 has been running it through as well | 22:35 |
vipul | sweet | 22:35 |
vipul | are thre more patches you need to push up? or should we start merging the existing one | 22:36 |
cp16net | one weird issue i found was when calling the confirm resize method to nova right after the instance changes to verify_resize state it fails | 22:36 |
cp16net | i think there is some kind of race condition there so i put a sleep for 5 seconds | 22:36 |
cp16net | this seems to solve it for now | 22:36 |
cp16net | vipul: there are 2 patches | 22:36 |
cp16net | 1 to reddwarf | 22:36 |
cp16net | and 1 to reddwarf-integration | 22:36 |
vipul | ok, i've only seen the one you had for rd-i | 22:37 |
cp16net | #info reddwarf https://review.openstack.org/#/c/18962/ | 22:37 |
vipul | there we go | 22:37 |
cp16net | #info reddwarf-integration https://review.openstack.org/#/c/19241/ | 22:37 |
vipul | ok cool... let's try to get these merged today if we can | 22:38 |
SlickNik | cp16net: yeah, I saw that. Almost commented that your log message says to "wait a sec", but you sleep for 5. :P | 22:38 |
cp16net | i'd like everyone to look it over them and get them in | 22:38 |
SlickNik | working my way through the review. | 22:38 |
cp16net | awesome let me know if anyone has q's | 22:39 |
vipul | other testing updates... annashen is basically adding a bunch for guestagnet | 22:39 |
annashen | right, i did | 22:39 |
cp16net | awesome | 22:40 |
vipul | we're also going to start adding 'unit tests' for reddwarf, sort of method-levle tests for the models, controllers, etc | 22:40 |
cp16net | can we run converage on it? | 22:40 |
cp16net | so we can see whats covered? | 22:40 |
cp16net | grapex/datsun180b: didnt you do this at some point? | 22:41 |
vipul | we did this before as well, i'd have to find where it is | 22:41 |
grapex | Yes, the current tests will generate a coverage report with "tox -ecoverage" | 22:41 |
datsun180b | Coverage? tox -ecover | 22:41 |
esp1 | I think we were just eyeballing code and were looking to write tests that directly test the model layer etc | 22:41 |
grapex | But ultimately it'd be cool to have two sets of coverage, one just for the unit tests. | 22:42 |
esp1 | datsub180b: yeah that still works. we ran that at one point | 22:42 |
vipul | grapex, datsun180b, cp16net: what are your thoughts on sqllite based tests? | 22:42 |
esp1 | grapex: yeah that's what I think we are shooting for | 22:42 |
vipul | basically to test the models, we don't do this now | 22:42 |
grapex | vipul: I say we use sqlite from unit tests tactically. If that makes it easier than using mock, and the code is easy to read, I think we should avail ourselves of it. | 22:43 |
datsun180b | Gosh, I was going to say the exactly the same thing but he typed quicker | 22:43 |
grapex | I think in some cases using sqlite can get in the way - like datsun180b's recent pull request to change the resize code paths, there using mocks was easier. | 22:43 |
dkehn | guys have to step out for a bit, will read the trasscript later. | 22:44 |
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vipul | grapex: sounds good, i think it may make sense for things taht actually read from the DB to be tested against a db | 22:44 |
esp1 | grapex: yeah that could work. I think I have a task to look into that further. for sure some of the tests are already using sqlite in fake mode | 22:44 |
datsun180b | I'd appreciate having consistent/reusable entries in a handy sqlite database (like instances) instead of having to mock out everything, but there are cases where it's just easier to mock something and take off running with it | 22:44 |
vipul | but yes, so we use both approaches where appropriate | 22:44 |
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vipul | ok, anything else around testing? | 22:46 |
cp16net | yeah i agree if it gives us better coverage i am for it | 22:46 |
SlickNik | #info Use either sqllite or mock for tests, tactically choosing whichever is appropriate | 22:46 |
esp1 | cool, I was gonna fold all this into the blue print for using testr if that works | 22:46 |
vipul | esp1: Yep, go for it | 22:46 |
SlickNik | sounds good. | 22:47 |
vipul | #action esp1 to add unit testing details to testr blueprint sqlite vs fakes | 22:47 |
esp1 | use of mocks, sqlite3 etc to test models and friends | 22:47 |
esp1 | thx | 22:47 |
vipul | #topic Image Builder Updates | 22:47 |
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vipul | I think we touched on this a bit earlier | 22:47 |
vipul | juice? | 22:47 |
SlickNik | yeah, he mentioned that he was really close to having this done and checked in. | 22:48 |
vipul | K, looks like we should have Percona image soon after | 22:49 |
SlickNik | was having one last issue with the initial myssql password that he was close to figuring out. | 22:49 |
vipul | once we figure out where to put it | 22:49 |
vipul | SlickNik, is image building part of local.sh? | 22:50 |
vipul | or is that still going to be done via Redstack | 22:50 |
SlickNik | It's not yet part of local.sh. | 22:50 |
SlickNik | But if we want to run any real tests involving the instances/guest agent, it will have to be. | 22:51 |
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SlickNik | So once juice is done with building it into redstack, I will have to integrate it into local.sh. | 22:52 |
vipul | #info Image Building will be integrated into local.sh | 22:52 |
vipul | cool | 22:52 |
vipul | any other items around Image building? | 22:52 |
SlickNik | I think we have real mode tests that depend on the image being built and uploaded to glance, correct? | 22:52 |
juice | sorry back now | 22:52 |
juice | updates were reported earlier | 22:53 |
juice | done with support task and getting back to that now | 22:53 |
vipul | SlickNik: yes, thre are tests that spin up instances via the mysql image | 22:53 |
vipul | #topic Open Discussion | 22:54 |
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cp16net | Ran 112 tests in 1166.799s | 22:54 |
esp1 | cool :) I'm running them now. | 22:54 |
vipul | is that all of em? | 22:55 |
esp1 | waiting for guest | 22:55 |
cp16net | all blackbox tests | 22:55 |
SlickNik | neato. | 22:55 |
vipul | the longest ones are the ones that wait for the guest to come up? | 22:55 |
cp16net | yup | 22:56 |
cp16net | always | 22:56 |
esp1 | pretty much | 22:56 |
SlickNik | makes sense. | 22:56 |
cp16net | because its waiting on nova to "do stuff" | 22:56 |
esp1 | it's good for day dreaming or going to meetings though | 22:56 |
vipul | lol, or coffee | 22:56 |
cp16net | hah yea | 22:56 |
cp16net | sleeping | 22:57 |
SlickNik | heh, I don't know if that's enough time for a meeting, esp1 :P | 22:57 |
vipul | One thing collectively we could do better is reviews :) | 22:57 |
cp16net | play a game of foosball | 22:57 |
vipul | we should +1 or +2 thing more frequently | 22:57 |
cp16net | yeah its not that bad when there are only like 5 reviews | 22:58 |
esp1 | yeah foosball would be great. I won the tournament one year when I work at the UW. | 22:58 |
cp16net | anyone have abandon priv? | 22:58 |
SlickNik | abandon priv? | 22:58 |
cp16net | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/17133/ | 22:58 |
cp16net | abandon that review | 22:59 |
vipul | I think if it's your own, you can abandon | 22:59 |
vipul | kaganos: ^^ | 22:59 |
vipul | can you click 'abandon'? | 22:59 |
kaganos | i'll try ... | 22:59 |
SlickNik | oh, I see. | 22:59 |
cp16net | thanks! | 22:59 |
cp16net | :) | 22:59 |
vipul | ok, anything else? | 23:00 |
vipul | right on time.. | 23:00 |
SlickNik | nope, all good here. | 23:00 |
cp16net | good to go home... | 23:00 |
cp16net | :) | 23:00 |
vipul | is hub_cap on vacay? | 23:00 |
cp16net | i dunno where he disappeared to | 23:01 |
cp16net | i thought he was going to be back today | 23:01 |
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vipul | fair 'nuf | 23:01 |
vipul | we're done | 23:01 |
vipul | #endmeeting | 23:01 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 8 23:01:54 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:01 |
esp1 | thx | 23:01 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2013/reddwarf.2013-01-08-22.02.html | 23:01 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2013/reddwarf.2013-01-08-22.02.txt | 23:01 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2013/reddwarf.2013-01-08-22.02.log.html | 23:02 |
SlickNik | cool, thanks all | 23:02 |
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amyt | vipul: yes, he's out today. returns tomorrow | 23:02 |
vipul | amy1: thanks! | 23:03 |
kaganos | done. | 23:03 |
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