Tuesday, 2013-02-05

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hub_capand we trickle in :)21:57
cp16netrup21:57
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datsun180bhowdy howdy21:58
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juicepresent21:59
SlickNikw00t21:59
esp1hello21:59
SlickNikwaiting for hub_cap to brb21:59
hub_capug?21:59
SlickNiklol, I thought you were brb21:59
hub_capim walking to my desk now21:59
SlickNikah, okay21:59
vipulhere, partly21:59
grapexGreets21:59
dkehnpresent22:00
hub_cap#startmeeting reddwarf22:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Feb  5 22:00:32 2013 UTC.  The chair is hub_cap. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.22:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.22:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: reddwarf)"22:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'reddwarf'22:00
cp16netPARTAY time!22:00
hub_caplol22:00
hub_cap#link22:00
hub_cap#link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/RedDwarfMeeting22:00
hub_cap#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2013/reddwarf.2013-01-29-21.59.html22:00
hub_capso lets start w/ the action items22:01
hub_cap#topic action items22:01
*** openstack changes topic to "action items (Meeting topic: reddwarf)"22:01
steveleonhello22:01
hub_capi have forwarded joes email to vipul, so he can distribute to the team. and we will chat about the api spec later as its on the list22:01
vipulgot it22:01
hub_capso has _everyone_ added content to the wiki?22:01
vipulthanks!22:01
hub_capnp dude22:01
SlickNiksounds good.22:01
SlickNikIt's been growing.22:01
vipulyup, checkout the wiki wiki.openstack.org/Reddwarf22:02
SlickNikThe Wiki, I mean...22:02
hub_caplooks great whoever wrote that22:02
SlickNik#link http://wiki.openstack.org/Reddwarf22:02
hub_capvery nice team22:02
hub_cap#kudos22:02
hub_capoh wait thats not a action22:02
SlickNikhaha, we need to make it one.22:02
hub_capSlickNik: youre up!22:03
cp16net#agreed good job on wiki22:03
hub_caplooks like u did doc it22:03
hub_caphence the nice pretty wiki22:03
SlickNikYup, added the install and testing info to the wiki22:03
hub_capcan u link to your devstack/redstack stuff on the wiki22:03
SlickNik#link http://wiki.openstack.org/reddwarf-installation22:03
cp16netwe should add a pretty picture of the arch to the doc22:03
hub_capthx SlickNik22:03
SlickNik#link http://wiki.openstack.org/reddwarf-redstack-testing22:03
hub_capok lets skip the kaganos bit since there is a percona topic22:04
hub_capsound good?22:04
SlickNikStill a work in progress, so will keep refining it22:04
hub_capwe can talk about percona in a few22:04
SlickNiksounds good, kaganos is here too, I think...22:04
hub_capcool22:04
hub_capgrapex: link your sqlite BP22:04
grapexhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/reddwarf/+spec/in-memory-sqlite22:05
grapex#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/reddwarf/+spec/in-memory-sqlite22:05
hub_capthx sir22:05
hub_capdj was supposed to give an us update but hes playing ping pong22:05
hub_cap:P22:06
hub_capill add repose to the topics22:06
hub_capas a sub of the quotas/limits22:06
hub_capok so root remove22:06
hub_caplets do it.22:06
kaganosi'm here22:07
vipulheh..22:07
hub_capits valid, and we agree it should be in the api22:07
vipuli laugh cuz i got some pushback from intrenally as well22:07
hub_cap#info disable/delete root is good to have in the api22:07
hub_capLOL22:07
vipulbut if we wanna move forward.. let's leave the Blueprint in22:07
hub_capso then we shouldnt have it? maybe we should discuss offline vipul :)22:07
SlickNikkaganos:  we are going to talk about the percona topic in a little bit, so stick around :)22:07
vipulyes...22:07
hub_capkk22:07
vipulneeds further discussion22:07
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hub_capok the next one... i cant type22:08
hub_capso we will never learn22:08
djohnstonedoh22:08
hub_caperr i will never learn22:08
hub_capsee22:08
hub_capdjohnstone: u have a subtopic in quotas stick around22:08
djohnstoneok22:08
hub_capvipul: BP on additional roles22:08
vipulwas going to file done but didn't find an empty dummy22:08
hub_capdid u get that squared away? the whole policy thing22:08
vipul#action vipul to file BP on additional roles in reddwarf (user, superuser, admin)22:09
hub_capvipul: ill create u one now22:09
vipulYep, it will be based on policies22:09
vipulthanks hub_cap22:09
hub_capok well done team22:09
hub_cap10 min, all of the action items done22:09
hub_capWOOT22:09
SlickNiksweet.22:09
vipulthat's some sort of a record22:09
SlickNikKeep movin' :)22:09
hub_capyup it is22:10
esp1awesome!22:10
steveleonway what? did we talk about quotas?22:10
hub_cap#topic Quotas / Limits Updates22:10
SlickNikyeah, I think it is.22:10
*** openstack changes topic to "Quotas / Limits Updates (Meeting topic: reddwarf)"22:10
SlickNikWe're talking about it now.22:10
hub_capsteveleon: lol we arent done w/ teh whole meeting ;)22:10
hub_capok do tell. then djohnstone will talk about repose22:10
steveleonwe have decided to implement the quota feature... and adapt the nova's implementation of it22:11
steveleonhttps://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/quota.py22:11
steveleonthe quota feature will be done as a filter/middleware...22:11
SlickNik#link https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/quota.py22:11
steveleonso that rax can disable it and use their own (repose)22:12
vipulsteveleon.. was going to mention this morning.. filter approach may not be complete correct22:12
vipulsince the instance is actually created by taskmanager22:12
vipulis async22:12
steveleonby doing it as a filter/middleware, we dont touch business logic22:12
steveleonreservation will be made prior the action is performed and commit (or rollback) will be done after22:13
steveleonyes vipul... im aware22:13
hub_capand if it breaks in the taskmgr... then its broken (i think servers is the same way WRT quotas)22:13
djohnstonesteveleon: with the being separate from the business logic this won't be able to assign different quota's to different customers?  Is that correct?22:13
vipulok cool, if we have basically guarantee that it will be created22:14
steveleonwe can assigned quota based on a tenant_id.... or a class22:15
steveleonat least that is how nova does it22:15
hub_capcool22:15
djohnstonesteveleon: k22:15
steveleona class quota can be applied to a set of customers..22:15
hub_capclass: api_abusers :P22:15
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steveleonvipul: i was thinking that... if the reservation is made and committed and the taskmanager comes back as error. The resources will still be committed22:16
SlickNikclass: people_who_cant_type :P22:16
hub_capDUDE THATS ME22:16
steveleonso the user will have to remove the instance (for example) so that the resouces are released22:16
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hub_capya thats no diff from nova... if a server fails launch isint that ths same functionality? steveleon vipul22:16
cp16nethub_cap never learned22:16
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hub_capnope...22:16
cp16netfailed his action item...22:16
cp16netoh wait we are not there yet22:17
vipulhub_cap yea sounds ok now that you mention how it's implemented in onva22:17
vipulnova22:17
hub_capword.22:17
hub_capthas great. have u started working on it steveleon?22:17
hub_capor still analyzing so to speak22:17
steveleonso it seems that we might not even use rollback22:17
hub_capitll be nice to have that in the app22:18
SlickNik#info steveleon implementing quota feature based on nova's quota implementation22:18
steveleonyes. hub_cap. vipul put me up to it :P22:18
hub_caphehe nice :)22:18
cp16netdo it ! :)22:18
hub_capgood man vipul22:18
hub_capok we ready to move to repose?22:19
vipulword22:19
vipulsorry in a meeting concurrently.. may be a bit slow today22:19
SlickNiksounds good, lay out the plan djohnstone...22:19
hub_capvipul: daz cool22:19
djohnstoneK.  So I got repose installed and configured on a local dev VM.22:19
djohnstoneIt seems kinda heavy on the configuration side.  Lots of config files to tweak.22:20
datsun180bright, and the sun is "kind of" bright at noon22:20
djohnstoneha22:20
SlickNik(heh)22:20
hub_caplol datsun180b22:20
djohnstonerate limiting is really easy to get going.  and can be done on URI level for GET/POST...22:20
djohnstoneI'm just starting to look at the Quota's part, so I haven't delved into that too deep.22:21
esp1datsun180b: sun is not usually a problem in Seattle :)22:21
steveleonesp1: Today it is.. I had to close the blinds22:22
hub_capcool lets have a update next meeting too djohnstone22:22
grapexdatsun180b: There's a lot of config files, but when you dig into Repose it makes sense why (kind of like how in Java there are dozens more files than simialrly sized Python projects).22:22
esp1lol22:22
hub_cap#action djohnstone to update us with Quotas in repose22:22
cp16netfirst world problems22:22
djohnstoneI've noticed that there is allot of documentation but that sometime it's lacking in the exact part that you are looking for.  So as one of the other devs put it.  It's really easy, but has a steep learning curve.22:22
grapexThat sounds like a canidate for an OpenStack project!22:23
hub_capok we all done w/ quotas i assume?22:23
cp16net:)22:23
djohnstone:-)22:23
hub_caplulz grapex22:23
SlickNikheh22:23
SlickNikI think we're good with quotas22:23
hub_cap#topic Percona Image Updates22:23
*** openstack changes topic to "Percona Image Updates (Meeting topic: reddwarf)"22:23
hub_capkaganos: batter up22:23
kaganosi'm here ...22:24
kaganosso, we've been having some issues ...22:24
hub_captell us all your dark percona image secrets22:24
kaganoswell, as of now, still not working :)22:24
kaganoswe have some issues with the differences between the two deployments22:24
kaganoslike my.cnf and mysql.conf differences, as well as22:24
kaganossome specific code assuming it's stock mysql installed22:25
hub_capya that is somewhat annoying, the guest apt checks i assume22:25
kaganoswe're going through it one step at a time22:25
hub_capkaganos: GREAT!22:25
hub_caplooking forward to seeing it22:25
kaganossame here ...22:25
kaganos;)22:25
hub_caphehe22:25
vipullooks like percona doesn't have upstart22:25
vipulalso doesn't behave the same way on first boot22:25
hub_caplike it doesnt come w/ a upstart script? boo22:25
vipulno22:26
SlickNikyeah, that was the mysql.conf kaganos mentioned earlier.22:26
SlickNikI think.22:26
vipulso that might be something we have to stick in reddwarf and copy22:26
kaganosyep22:26
dkehnthe upstart is actually add ed by the folks at Ubuntu22:26
hub_capsure vipul22:26
dkehnnot mysql22:26
hub_capdkehn: thats a good point yall arent using percona from a apt repo via ubuntu right?22:26
hub_capdo they have their own apt repo?22:26
kaganosyep22:26
SlickNikThey have their own apt-repo..22:26
kaganosdon't think they have one through ubuntu at all22:26
dkehnthey don't22:27
kaganosthere is this procedure with the gig keys22:27
hub_capyup debian ftw ;)22:27
kaganosthat's also part of the problem why the current design is difficult for percona22:27
kaganosfor stock mysql,22:27
kaganosthere is an assumption that the image might be clean,22:27
kaganos and then the code will set mysql on the fly22:27
kaganoswith percona, it's not just a matter of using a different apt-get install command22:28
kaganosthere is a bunch of stuff that needs to be taken care of22:28
hub_capfor sure22:28
kaganosso basically,22:28
hub_capwe just were elaborating on the init script wrt that :)22:28
kaganoseither we won't support that flow with percona22:28
kaganosor we revise the whole mechanism to use some sort of extesability22:28
kaganosso you pass in interface implementing a provider22:29
kaganosso you'd have all there:22:29
kaganosis_installed()22:29
kaganosis_running()22:29
kaganosinstall_yourself()22:29
kaganosconfig_yourself()22:29
kaganosetc.22:29
kaganosthat would take longer of course ...22:29
hub_capfor sure22:29
kaganosso currently we're trying to take the shortest path22:30
hub_capbut would be nice once the entire oss community abandons stock mysql for maria for instance :P22:30
SlickNikfor right now, I think the plan is to assume the image is pre-baked with percona (in the percona-case).22:30
kaganospossible just to make percona run22:30
hub_capcool22:30
kaganoswe assume that, but the code doesn't ....22:30
dkehnhub_cap, http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/58571-monty-has-last-laugh-as-distros-abandon-mysql?goback=.gde_3177671_member_21103226122:30
kaganosso, the code needs to be modified somehow ...22:30
* hub_cap reads the article22:31
dkehnquicker than you thinbk22:31
hub_capkaganos: for sure, i dont doubt that. it was coded for 1 type, not assumign  > 1. but i welcome the code changes to make it more extensible22:31
hub_cap;)22:31
kaganoswe'll do our best22:31
SlickNik#info percona work still in progress22:31
hub_capgood good. time to move on?22:32
hub_capthx for the update kaganos22:32
SlickNik#action kaganos still working on getting percona build working with guest agent.22:32
kaganossure22:32
kaganos#agree22:32
kaganos#aprove22:32
kaganos#happy22:32
SlickNikThanks kaganos…good work!22:32
hub_caplol22:32
hub_cap#topic Security Groups feature feedback22:32
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SlickNikheh22:32
vipulyes22:32
vipulI put that in there22:32
SlickNik#tag happy22:32
hub_capso... ive thought about this a bit22:32
vipulsince I sent an email out friday22:32
vipulhub_cap: go for it22:33
SlickNik…and what are your thoughts?22:33
hub_capsince its not in the core openstack api, id say we welcome security groups, but i dont htink we can put them in our core api... we can keep them an extension tho22:33
hub_capdoes that make sense? it seems _in general_ a bit of a stretch to have something in our core api that depends on a openstack extension22:33
vipulHmm yea, that's fair22:34
vipulWe can go with extensions..22:34
vipulsince not every deployment will need it22:34
SlickNikwait, you can install Openstack without security groups?22:34
hub_capok cool. but i think the api makes sense22:34
hub_capSlickNik:  technically yes22:34
hub_capsince its not in the core api22:34
SlickNikWow, didn't know that. News to me…22:34
SlickNikIf so, I guess that makes sense.22:35
hub_capi mean, it comes w/ those extensions22:35
hub_capbut they arent guaranteed22:35
hub_capso we good w/ that? can someone link the bp?22:36
vipul#info Security Groups will be extension API22:36
hub_capor wait was it just a email? did u bp it vipul?22:36
SlickNikI'm not sure we have a bp yet22:36
vipulno bp yet, can you create nother dummy22:36
SlickNik#action hub_cap to create bp_dummy22:36
vipulsounds like i'm calling you dummy lol22:36
hub_capLOL22:36
hub_capi am22:36
SlickNiklol, I added an underscore to make it clearer. :P22:36
hub_caphahaha22:37
vipulnice22:37
hub_capLOL22:37
esp1#link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eats,_Shoots_%26_Leaves22:37
esp1punctuation woes...22:37
hub_capok moving on then? i feel like we are all good w/ the api since it mirrors the openstack one22:38
hub_capnice esp122:38
hub_cap#topic API Spec General Update22:38
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SlickNiksounds good22:38
hub_capok there is not much to report here. weve gotten together and got thru like 3 api calls22:38
hub_capill be starting a markdown to keep track of them22:38
vipulok cool22:39
hub_capa la22:39
hub_cap#link https://github.com/openstack/identity-api/blob/master/openstack-identity-api/src/markdown/identity-api-v3.md22:39
vipuljust wanted to give you another heads up.. we're going to be submitting an API in the BP for snapshots..22:39
hub_capand so we can start commenting on them now rather than having ot consume them _all_ at once22:39
hub_capvipul: very nice22:39
vipulthat BP will also be modified a bit to implement via xtrabackup22:39
vipulwe agree snapshots are core?22:39
hub_capDEF22:40
hub_cap:)22:40
vipulk22:40
vipulhopefully have something to review next week22:40
hub_capso i dont really have much more to talk about on that... but i will action me22:40
dkehnso is there any issues from rax using xtrabackup?22:40
hub_cap#action hub_cap to start markdown on api22:40
hub_capwell.... its not exactly standard :)22:41
dkehnand....22:41
hub_capits free tho rigth?22:41
dkehnyes22:41
hub_capif its the right tool for the job i have no issue w/ it22:41
dkehnk22:41
SlickNik…and open source too, I believe.22:42
hub_capok im fine w/ it22:42
vipulI thin dkehn you may want to call out the pluggability aspects in the BP22:42
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vipulbecause we may do xtrabackup now, but nothing should prevent another impl22:42
hub_capya that would be smart, a pluggable interface. nice vipul22:42
dkehnconfirmed22:43
SlickNikthat would be neat.22:43
vipul#action dkehn to modify Snapshots BP22:43
hub_capok so im done w/ items, gen discuss time if thats a-ok22:44
SlickNiksounds good..22:44
hub_cap#topic Open Discussion22:44
SlickNikopen issues?22:44
*** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: reddwarf)"22:44
hub_capGO!22:44
SlickNikPoint to note….22:45
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hub_caphaha22:45
SlickNikdkehn got devstack-vm-gate script running, but hit a snag when he added swift back in...22:45
* Esmute doesnt like to have his real name in the internet22:45
hub_capthen def dont /whois you Esmute22:46
dkehnwe are close but there are a lot of hard coded things in there22:46
Esmutecrap.. i have to change that too22:46
SlickNikthere's likely some conflict with the local apt server on the host on 8080 and swift, so we're looking at that.22:46
vipulhhe22:46
SlickNikwe being dkehn and I22:46
dkehnI'm actually testing a fix at present22:46
dkehnfingers crossed22:46
esp1Esmute: it's the just the interweb what could possibly happen?22:47
SlickNiksweet, dkehn…I'll probably have some time to look into it this evening, if that doesn't work.22:47
vipuldatsun180b weren't you working with esp1 on a grants fix?22:47
dkehnk22:47
hub_capvewy cool guys22:47
dkehnwill  let u know22:47
vipuldo you guys have that sync'd up?22:47
Esmuteesp1: lol22:47
esp1vipul: I think I have way I need from datsun at the moment.  It was very helpful to see what he's working on!22:48
esp1I updated the BP as well.22:48
esp1#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/reddwarf/+spec/create-restricted-root-account22:48
SlickNikthanks for the link, esp122:48
SlickNikthat's pretty much all I had.22:49
vipulcool22:49
SlickNikanything else?22:50
SlickNikIf not, we might be poised for another record :)22:50
hub_capWOOT!!!!22:51
hub_capim gonna end it in 1 min if no one has anythign to say22:51
SlickNikdo it...22:51
hub_caplol22:51
SlickNikw00t!22:51
hub_cap#endmeeting22:51
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Feb  5 22:51:36 2013 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)22:51
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2013/reddwarf.2013-02-05-22.00.html22:51
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2013/reddwarf.2013-02-05-22.00.txt22:51
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2013/reddwarf.2013-02-05-22.00.log.html22:51
hub_capgood job team!!22:51
SlickNikThanks guys!22:51
vipulthanks22:52
cp16netwoot22:52
esp1thx!22:52
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juiceciao22:52
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cp16netpeace out and enjoy something cute... http://catsonvine.com/22:52
cp16netlol22:52
grapexcp16net: I don't trust it. I'm guessing you'll get five page downs before hitting NSFW territory. :)22:54
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cp16nethaha i do not endorse this site in any way.22:55
datsun180boh, the one time i go afk during the meetings22:55
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