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| SergeyLukjanov | hi everybody, Savanna meeting will start in 10 minutes | 17:54 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ok, I think it's time to start | 18:02 |
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| aignatov | #startmeeting savanna | 18:03 |
| openstack` | Meeting started Thu Apr 25 18:03:49 2013 UTC. The chair is aignatov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
| openstack` | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
| openstack` | The meeting name has been set to 'savanna' | 18:03 |
| aignatov | Let's start our Savanna meeting | 18:04 |
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| aignatov | Agenda: | 18:04 |
| aignatov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SavannaAgenda | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I also want to note that this page can be edited by anyone | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, feel free to add items to this page to build an agenda for the next meeting | 18:06 |
| aignatov | thx | 18:06 |
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| aignatov | Let's start our talk with news from Savanna team side | 18:07 |
| aignatov | 1. Savanna at Summit | 18:08 |
| dmitryme | We presented Savanna on the summit | 18:08 |
| aignatov | #info Savanna at Summit | 18:08 |
| dmitryme | and we got some feedback | 18:09 |
| dmitryme | we've seen many people interested in the project | 18:10 |
| dmitryme | and we will continue working with all parties who wish to colaborate | 18:10 |
| dmitryme | for those who didn't attend our presentation here is the link: | 18:11 |
| dmitryme | #link http://www.slideshare.net/mirantis/savanna-hadoop-on-openstack | 18:11 |
| aignatov | #info Work on Savanna release 0.1.1 | 18:12 |
| aignatov | We are continue working on the next minor release of Savanna | 18:12 |
| aignatov | It will contain several fixes and improvements | 18:13 |
| mattf | there was also a hortonworks presentation about savanna at summit | 18:13 |
| mattf | #link http://openstacksummitapril2013.sched.org/event/de4b42621ef876d086a000c31c0bdb38 | 18:13 |
| aignatov | Here are: | 18:13 |
| aignatov | #link https://launchpad.net/savanna/+milestone/0.1.1 | 18:13 |
| dmitryme | Matt, that was session held by Rackspace + Hortownworks | 18:14 |
| mattf | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/portland-2013/session-videos/presentation/apache-hadoop-on-openstack | 18:14 |
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| dmitryme | guys presented their view on future of Savanna | 18:14 |
| mattf | it was, they turned into into a savanna presentation | 18:14 |
| dmitryme | and in general we are aligned | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | currently we are working on finalizing 0.1.1 version | 18:15 |
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| mattf | also related to summit -- hadoop came up in half a dozen presentations in one form or another -> definite interest in the topic | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, yes, hadoop is the hot topic at the summit | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, let's continue on agenda | 18:17 |
| aignatov | ok | 18:17 |
| mattf | as for savanna itself, a common topic was its relation to heat. the impression i took away was that there will be opportunities to coordinate w/ heat further down the roadmap | 18:18 |
| mattf | ok, enough from me re summit | 18:18 |
| aignatov | #info architecture of provisioning pluggable mechanism | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we are working hard on cleaning our vision of architecture | 18:19 |
| aignatov | There are several blupritnts related to this feature: | 18:19 |
| aignatov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/savanna/0.2 | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and trying to compile many different internal documents to the public pages with full description of pluggable mechanism and some other changes in version 0.2 | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | the main goal of 0.2 version is to implement pluggable mechanism and several plugins for 3rd party tooling | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | additionally we are looking on custom cluster topologies, file system placements and etc. | 18:21 |
| aignatov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/savanna/+spec/pluggable-cluster-provisioning | 18:22 |
| aignatov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/savanna/+spec/hierarchical-templates | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | "pluggable-cluster-provisioning" blueprint will be extended with workflow diagram and some additional info in a few days | 18:23 |
| * mattf anxiously awaits that | 18:23 | |
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| aignatov | let's move to the next topic | 18:25 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | if there are any questions or ideas about pluggable mechanism after reading blueprints, please, send email to savanna-all@lists.launchpad.net | 18:26 |
| aignatov | #diskimage-builder Hadoop elements for creating images working with Savanna | 18:26 |
| aignatov | Sorry | 18:26 |
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| aignatov | #info diskimage-builder Hadoop elements for creating images working with Savanna | 18:26 |
| aignatov | we have the first version of Hadoop elements using diskimage-builder | 18:27 |
| lifeless | cool! | 18:28 |
| aignatov | We will update our documentstion soon how to create own images witth different Hadoop version inside | 18:28 |
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| aignatov | #info integration tests for Savanna | 18:31 |
| aignatov | We have started working on building CI process, basic integration tests are already in the repo | 18:32 |
| mordred | aignatov: I'd love for that stuff to start targetting the openstack ci systems - are you guys aware that the CI jobs are all in a git repo and available for you guys to add to? | 18:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we already configured jenkins to be triggered for each new patch set and to use Launchpad SSO | 18:32 |
| mattf | how do you invoke the integration tests? | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mordred, yes, we are using OS CI to run pep8 and unit tests | 18:34 |
| mordred | great! | 18:34 |
| mordred | just wanted to make sure - we're never sure if we communicate that clearly | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but we want to run very specific integration tests that will start multinode hadoop cluster | 18:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | which requires 3-5 vms at OS | 18:35 |
| dmitryme | Matt, the integration tests are located there: | 18:36 |
| dmitryme | #link https://github.com/stackforge/savanna/tree/master/savanna/tests/integration | 18:36 |
| dmitryme | the read me inside clarifies how to run them | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, we want to run integration tests in our internal OS lab | 18:36 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | but logs will be public accessible and jenkins will publish +/- 1 verified to change requests | 18:37 |
| mordred | sweet. that's exciting | 18:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | in the future we would like to be fully integrated into the OpenStack infrastructure | 18:38 |
| ErikB | Does that require us to be incubated before that's possible? | 18:39 |
| dmitryme | No, OS nicely provides their infrastructure to any OS related project | 18:39 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ErikB, I think it'll depends on which resources we would need to run itests | 18:40 |
| dmitryme | I mean project does not need to be integrated to fully use OpenStack infra | 18:40 |
| aignatov | So, that's all with agenda | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I think that's all on agenda | 18:42 |
| aignatov | #info Q&A | 18:42 |
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| mattf | i've been following http://savanna.mirantis.com/index.html, and mentally translating instructions to work with fedora/rhel & rdo | 18:43 |
| mattf | how can i contribute to the quick start etc guides? | 18:43 |
| ErikB | fyi - we should be close to socializing a light weight blueprint for HDP provider perhaps tomorrow | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ErikB, you asked in #savanna channel about which OS release we are aiming | 18:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ErikB, we are trying to support any F+ releases | 18:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, savanna.mirantis.com is an auto generated site from docs folder in our repo | 18:45 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | here is the quickstart - https://github.com/stackforge/savanna/blob/master/doc/source/quickstart.rst | 18:45 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | it'll be cool if you can add info to quickstart in places which should be os-specific | 18:46 |
| ErikB | @Sergey, makes sense | 18:46 |
| mattf | https://launchpad.net/savanna points to "Quickstart: http://savanna.mirantis.com/quickstart.html" - can we change that to "Quickstart: https://github.com/stackforge/savanna/blob/master/doc/source/quickstart.rst" ? | 18:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, just send the change request to savanna repo | 18:48 |
| dmitryme | Matt, the savanna.mirantis.com is generated from https://github.com/stackforge/savanna/blob/master/doc/source | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and when it'll merged into the master branch, savanna.mirantis.com will be auto generated | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and will contain your changes | 18:48 |
| ErikB | I noticed that there were some differences between the controller api on mirantis.com vs. launchpad. I assume launchpad is the source of truth? | 18:48 |
| mattf | likewise for https://github.com/stackforge/savanna/blob/master/doc/source/restapi/v02.rst (from "API draft: http://savanna.mirantis.com/restapi/v02.html")? | 18:49 |
| mattf | ErikB, that's the central point, need for an authoritative source | 18:49 |
| dmitryme | Matt, exactly | 18:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ErikB, could you please share direct links to pages? | 18:50 |
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| mattf | i propose linking into the source repo. it's the actual authoritative source. it still gets nice formatting from github. | 18:52 |
| mattf | it also makes it clear that changes to the doc can be handled the same as changes to the code | 18:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, changes to the doc are handled the same as changes to the code | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | just send change request to the https://github.com/stackforge/savanna/blob/master/doc/source/restapi/v02.rst | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and http://savanna.mirantis.com/restapi/v02.html would be updated automaticly | 18:54 |
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| ErikB | I'll post a Q once I find the pages. | 18:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we are using savanna.mirantis.com to provide additional features | 18:54 |
| dmitryme | Sergey, don't you need to add "DocImpact: blablabla" for that? | 18:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | for example, sire search | 18:54 |
| dmitryme | to your commit message | 18:54 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | dmitryme, partially correct, you need to add "DocBuild" to the commit message | 18:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but if someone will send CR w/o it, I'll remind about it :) | 18:56 |
| dmitryme | ok :-) | 18:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jfyi you can open routing table at our site - http://savanna.mirantis.com/http-routingtable.html :) | 18:57 |
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| ruhe | also I'd like to note that all the OS projects keep developer documentation on the project doc site (not on github). for example http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/ | 18:58 |
| mattf | if you go to the project landing page https://launchpad.net/savanna and follow links to the documentation you're sent off to savanna.mirantis.com, which doesn't have an obvious linkage back to https://github.com/stackforge/savanna/blob/master/doc/source/ | 18:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | i think that our time is over | 18:58 |
| dmitryme | Matt, but why do you need that linkage? | 18:59 |
| mattf | it sounds like the commit of a doc change may cause a regeneration of the savanna.mirantis.com docs, but only with a specific command in the commit message? | 18:59 |
| dmitryme | Only contributors need to know that? | 18:59 |
| dmitryme | * only contributors need to know that | 18:59 |
| mattf | i had to come here and ask how to propose changes to the docs. it's very obvious if the docs are served from github, or a wiki. | 18:59 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, we will add some info about how to contribute to the docs | 19:00 |
| mattf | ruhe, do you have to be officially incubating to host on docs.os.o/developer ? | 19:01 |
| ruhe | @mattf that's what I'd like to know too | 19:02 |
| mattf | mordred, do you know? ^^ | 19:02 |
| mordred | reading scrollback | 19:03 |
| mattf | mordred, do you have to be officially incubating to host on docs.os.o/developer ? | 19:03 |
| mordred | yes | 19:03 |
| mordred | although we do have readthedocs hooks you can install | 19:03 |
| mattf | thanks | 19:03 |
| mordred | I believe several of the other stackforge projects use that feature | 19:04 |
| mattf | neat | 19:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mordred, thank you, we'll take a look on it | 19:04 |
| mordred | cool. look at project gear in modules/openstack_project/files/jenkins_job_builder/config/projects.yaml for an example | 19:05 |
| mattf | thanks all, ttyl | 19:05 |
| aignatov | let' finish this meeting | 19:06 |
| aignatov | thank you all | 19:06 |
| aignatov | #endmeeting | 19:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ooops :) | 19:07 |
| aignatov | hmm | 19:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | looks like meetingbot is asleep | 19:07 |
| clarkb | yeah it came back halfway through the meeting | 19:08 |
| clarkb | there were problems with netsplit fallout | 19:09 |
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| markwash | Hello, glance folks! | 20:00 |
| rosmaita | howdy! | 20:00 |
| markwash | lets get going | 20:01 |
| flaper87 | \o/ | 20:01 |
| markwash | #startmeeting | 20:01 |
| openstack | markwash: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 20:01 |
| markwash | :-( | 20:01 |
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| markwash | #startmeeting Glance | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 25 20:01:28 2013 UTC. The chair is markwash. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 20:01 |
| markwash | We've got a lot of blueprints to talk about today! | 20:01 |
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| markwash | I posted a new standing agenda here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Glance | 20:02 |
| markwash | but we probably will only get into the new blueprints part | 20:02 |
| markwash | I want to leave time for open discussion at the end though, so please yell at me if we go over 50 minutes | 20:02 |
| markwash | sigh | 20:02 |
| markwash | #topic new blueprints | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "new blueprints (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 20:03 | |
| markwash | The summit was great, and we had a lot of fruitful discussions | 20:03 |
| markwash | thanks, session leaders! | 20:03 |
| markwash | I've co-opted the the glance meeting agenda etherpad to try to streamline things today | 20:04 |
| markwash | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/glance-meeting-agenda | 20:04 |
| markwash | just curious, do we have ameade nikhil jbresnah present? | 20:05 |
| jbresnah | nod | 20:05 |
| jbresnah | wave | 20:05 |
| ameade | here | 20:05 |
| ameade | phew | 20:05 |
| markwash | iccha is traveling, correct? | 20:05 |
| nikhil | ack | 20:05 |
| jbresnah | yeah, i believe she is | 20:06 |
| nikhil | yes markwash | 20:06 |
| nikhil | actually on vacay | 20:06 |
| markwash | :-) | 20:06 |
| rosmaita | no one is on vacation from openstack! | 20:06 |
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| rosmaita | it's like 2 am where she is though | 20:06 |
| markwash | :-) | 20:06 |
| markwash | openstack will find you wherever you are | 20:06 |
| markwash | So looking at the etherpad, anyone have thoughts on moving forward on quotas? | 20:07 |
| nikhil | true | 20:07 |
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| rosmaita | (not me) | 20:07 |
| jbresnah | ummm | 20:07 |
| jbresnah | is the idea to manage it via keystone? | 20:08 |
| markwash | not as far as I am concerned | 20:08 |
| nikhil | markwash: is that your top priority? | 20:08 |
| jbresnah | is that effort mostly about enforcement then? | 20:08 |
| markwash | not really, the list is ordered more by summit session than anything else | 20:08 |
| nikhil | i'm a little curious about folks assigned to the existing blueprints as such | 20:08 |
| ameade | what was happening with the whole centralized quota thing? how would that even work? | 20:09 |
| markwash | did anybody other than me go to the centralize quota session? | 20:09 |
| jbresnah | i was there | 20:09 |
| nikhil | i was there | 20:09 |
| jbresnah | having keystone manage the information seemed broken to me | 20:09 |
| markwash | I'm not sure I got a clear impression of it, but it sounds like 1) there are issues with the proposed implementation | 20:09 |
| jbresnah | like... working around the procedure to create a new service | 20:09 |
| nikhil | and then we sync-ed up later in the common lobby/hall | 20:09 |
| markwash | and 2) even if there weren't, it would take a while to get it rolling | 20:10 |
| flaper87 | I don't think that's a good idea, FWIW | 20:10 |
| ameade | not everyone uses keystone | 20:10 |
| ameade | lets just do it in glance? | 20:10 |
| flaper87 | ameade: +! | 20:10 |
| flaper87 | ameade: +1 | 20:10 |
| markwash | I'm at +1 for that | 20:10 |
| rosmaita | how badly do we need quotas? | 20:10 |
| nikhil | markwash: ameade do we need to create an action item to sync with folks who are working on it in keystone? | 20:10 |
| jbresnah | i dunno, i like the idea of having it shared across all projects | 20:11 |
| rosmaita | i really think a multi-component solution would be better | 20:11 |
| nikhil | (agree to non-centralized) | 20:11 |
| rosmaita | (what jbresnah said) | 20:11 |
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| jbresnah | so many things will be needed every where | 20:11 |
| rosmaita | no i mean multi-component in the sense of something that multiple components can use, not just glance | 20:11 |
| flaper87 | I think the quotas thing should start moving but perhaps we should try to sync with other projects as well. I mean, there's some code duplicated between nova and cinder | 20:11 |
| flaper87 | we should contribute back to oslo and use that | 20:11 |
| ameade | flaper87: +1 | 20:12 |
| ameade | i would like a general solution, but not a centralized one | 20:12 |
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| flaper87 | I was going to take care of that in the next few weeks since I'm trying to reduce duplicated code throughout openstack | 20:12 |
| markwash | rosmaita: jbresnah: I"m all for centralizing the UX of managing quotas, but I never want to have to make a call across a region to determine a users quota limit | 20:12 |
| nikhil | i feel there is a discussion going on somewhere else where folks are pushing towards the other idea | 20:13 |
| rosmaita | well, a centralized solution is needed if you are worried about totla bandwith usage in the cloud for example | 20:13 |
| rosmaita | is anyone worried about that? | 20:13 |
| markwash | nikhil: I feel that you are right | 20:13 |
| jbresnah | ameade: I see | 20:13 |
| jbresnah | you are looking for a shared code base but not a shared service? | 20:13 |
| ameade | rosmaita: good point, drats, this is a can of worms! | 20:13 |
| rosmaita | so I agree with the action item to find out more info before working on this in glance | 20:14 |
| nikhil | that's a really good idea (not sure how fast it might move in oslo though) | 20:14 |
| jbresnah | well the other thing here, is who should do the enforcement? | 20:14 |
| nikhil | guessing the best route would be to develop a good solution and then make it generic | 20:14 |
| jbresnah | i am sure there are good OS level things to do this | 20:14 |
| jbresnah | one person in one of the sessions was strongly against trying to do it in python | 20:15 |
| markwash | interesting | 20:15 |
| nikhil | think there are a lot of them | 20:15 |
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| jbresnah | if it is at the host level having limits across sevices is easier (i think) | 20:15 |
| ameade | jbresnah: josh harlow was against ratelimiting in python | 20:15 |
| nikhil | my guess is it's kind of a tie | 20:15 |
| markwash | #action research approaches to centralize quota management, limit storage, enforcement, and usage monitoring | 20:15 |
| jbresnah | ameade: was it for streaming limits only? | 20:15 |
| jbresnah | or limiting rate of request/connection also? | 20:16 |
| markwash | okay, let's table this for a bit, looks like we don't have a stong consensus | 20:16 |
| jbresnah | nod | 20:16 |
| nikhil | markwash: nice! | 20:16 |
| ameade | +1 | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | +1 | 20:16 |
| rosmaita | +1 | 20:16 |
| jbresnah | i can look into that action item also | 20:16 |
| esheffield | +! | 20:16 |
| jbresnah | +1 | 20:16 |
| markwash | Okay, protected properties (again from the etherpad) | 20:16 |
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| markwash | I think this is pretty uncontroversial? | 20:17 |
| nikhil | +1 | 20:17 |
| markwash | iccha and smclaren and mikal were possible assignees | 20:17 |
| rosmaita | +1 | 20:17 |
| nikhil | yes | 20:17 |
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| markwash | #action markwash talk to iccha and smclaren and mikal about who will lead api-v2-property-protection | 20:17 |
| markwash | moving on | 20:18 |
| nikhil | markwash: one sec | 20:18 |
| nikhil | can we get the etherpad in the bp | 20:18 |
| nikhil | looks like folks are out of sync (at least from what i sense here) | 20:18 |
| markwash | who in the what now? | 20:18 |
| ameade | yeah lets update teh blueprints to have all the info | 20:18 |
| flaper87 | +1 | 20:19 |
| nikhil | the link to the etherpad which has details about this protected properties implementation proposal | 20:19 |
| markwash | ah | 20:19 |
| markwash | do you have that link? I don't recall it? | 20:19 |
| nikhil | be in the bp * | 20:19 |
| nikhil | one min | 20:19 |
| markwash | #action nikhil to update api-v2-property-protection blueprint with link to etherpad discussion/proposal | 20:19 |
| markwash | anything else before we move on? | 20:19 |
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| nikhil | https://etherpad.openstack.org/public-glance-protected-props | 20:20 |
| nikhil | ok | 20:20 |
| markwash | thanks! | 20:20 |
| markwash | Upload/Download Workflow: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/upload-download-workflow | 20:20 |
| markwash | this was discussed during the summit, I'm proposing we split it up into two blueprints | 20:20 |
| markwash | but I'm not sure that I captured all the details we need to cover | 20:20 |
| markwash | rosmaita: any thoughts here? | 20:21 |
| flaper87 | mhh, my understanding is that users will be able to download the image directly from swift | 20:21 |
| flaper87 | am i right ? | 20:21 |
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| markwash | flaper87: in some deployments yes, in others perhaps not | 20:22 |
| rosmaita | (what mark said) | 20:22 |
| markwash | I think the idea is that direct download and copy-to would have potentially different policies | 20:22 |
| flaper87 | and I guess the direct download won't happen using glance's client, right? | 20:22 |
| jbresnah | so the idea is that you put an image some place and then register it with glance? | 20:22 |
| markwash | jbresnah: that's a little different | 20:22 |
| jbresnah | 'some place' being something outside of the scope of glance? | 20:22 |
| markwash | the idea is that you put an image someplace, and then glance downloads it from there | 20:23 |
| markwash | async | 20:23 |
| ameade | oh this is copy from? | 20:23 |
| ameade | oh i see now | 20:23 |
| markwash | ameade: that's what I'm proposing, that "import" is really just "copy-from" | 20:23 |
| markwash | and "export" is just "copy-to" | 20:23 |
| markwash | though I'm not married to any particular verbal scheme here | 20:23 |
| jbresnah | ok | 20:24 |
| rosmaita | so are copy-from and copy-to already implemented? | 20:24 |
| jbresnah | so 'conversion/verification' do not apply here? | 20:24 |
| rosmaita | or are you talking conceptually? | 20:24 |
| markwash | copy-from exists in v1 | 20:24 |
| ameade | what is this bp proposing? | 20:24 |
| ameade | it seems to be a lot | 20:24 |
| nikhil | generic workflow | 20:24 |
| rosmaita | markwash: what is your proposal for splitting? | 20:24 |
| markwash | jbresnah: I think copy-from may have some room for conversion / verification support | 20:24 |
| nikhil | it a conceptual ameade | 20:25 |
| ameade | got it, so it would have a bunch of dep bps | 20:25 |
| markwash | rosmaita: two blueprints, one for adding copy-from like behavior to v2, another for adding copy-to like behavior to v2 | 20:25 |
| rosmaita | that makes sense to me! | 20:25 |
| nikhil | prolly could be an action item here ameade (get all the stuff implemented noted down and add bp for things to be created) good point | 20:26 |
| jbresnah | can we spell out use cases for this? | 20:26 |
| jbresnah | i am having some trouble getting my head around what it is trying to do | 20:26 |
| flaper87 | jbresnah: you beat me | 20:26 |
| markwash | sure | 20:26 |
| ameade | yeah, i dunno why we need copy to if we have copy from | 20:26 |
| jbresnah | and i have some interest in surrounding areas | 20:26 |
| nikhil | upload/download | 20:26 |
| markwash | well, in the usual case, you can just directly upload the image bits on creation | 20:27 |
| markwash | but in the "import" case, the implication is that the bits you upload are not necessarily the bits that get stored | 20:27 |
| markwash | b/c of possible conversion, etc. | 20:27 |
| ameade | (almost halfway through meeting time btw) | 20:27 |
| ameade | wanna add the usecases to the bp? | 20:28 |
| ameade | that could be an action item | 20:28 |
| markwash | perhaps a few of us should take this offline and repackage it to better explain to others? | 20:28 |
| nikhil | +1 | 20:28 |
| flaper87 | +1 | 20:28 |
| jbresnah | +1 | 20:28 |
| rosmaita | +1 | 20:28 |
| esheffield | +1 | 20:28 |
| markwash | rosmaita, how about you and me? | 20:28 |
| nikhil | let's have a team speak channel for glance? | 20:28 |
| nikhil | may be i went a bit too optimistic on that | 20:28 |
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| markwash | #action rosmaita & markwash to clarify upload/download workflow bp | 20:29 |
| rosmaita | sure | 20:29 |
| markwash | How about rate limits? Summit discussion was mostly "nope" as I understood it | 20:29 |
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| rosmaita | agreed, nope | 20:30 |
| jbresnah | i think that one will fall out of the quota reseach | 20:30 |
| markwash | jbresnah: I agree they're related | 20:30 |
| flaper87 | +! | 20:30 |
| flaper87 | +1 | 20:30 |
| markwash | :-) | 20:30 |
| markwash | so, can I mark it superseded by quotas, but say consensus is leading towards not implementing it in glance? | 20:31 |
| ameade | yeah the lazy consensus at the summit was we dont have to worry about it in glance | 20:31 |
| flaper87 | I'd say superseded by quotas, period :P | 20:31 |
| markwash | it == https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/transfer-rate-limiting | 20:31 |
| rosmaita | right, it seems better done by something else so glance never sees the requests in the first place | 20:31 |
| markwash | kk, now on to image workers https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/async-glance-workers | 20:32 |
| markwash | which is sort of a new one, sort of an old one | 20:32 |
| nikhil | like! | 20:33 |
| rosmaita | +1 | 20:33 |
| ameade | gotta be done somehow | 20:33 |
| ameade | lol | 20:33 |
| markwash | this would dovetail into the upload/download workflow to give us a chance at image conversion | 20:33 |
| rosmaita | +1 | 20:33 |
| flaper87 | I like the idea | 20:34 |
| nikhil | markwash: is there a strong focus on queue based async? | 20:34 |
| jbresnah | it seems to be the same line of thinking as upload/download... | 20:34 |
| markwash | and also possibly https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/iso-image-metadata | 20:34 |
| jbresnah | i have not processed this one yet | 20:34 |
| markwash | nikhil: I'm not sure. . I think its a good idea in some possible implementations | 20:34 |
| markwash | nikhil: but I could also see a devstack-focused one that doesn't bother with a queue | 20:34 |
| jbresnah | i know i may sound like a broken record on this but i feel glance needs to get its story strat on replica management before it should do conversion | 20:35 |
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| ameade | +1 | 20:35 |
| jbresnah | for example: is a qcow2 image that was converted from a raw image a replica? | 20:35 |
| nikhil | markwash: cool, was just gunna ask about metadata sync and exceptions on the queue based proposal | 20:35 |
| markwash | if the answer is "no" does that make things simpler? | 20:35 |
| jbresnah | does a user look to glance to: find me all ubuntu11.11 base images? | 20:36 |
| jbresnah | ummm | 20:36 |
| jbresnah | it might, but then it makes me ask 'why is glance doing conversion' | 20:36 |
| flaper87 | I think the async-workers bp can be related to conversion but it isn't. It's useful for other operations as well. | 20:36 |
| jbresnah | at some level glance is a discovery service for images | 20:36 |
| markwash | jbresnah: sorry, didn't mean for that to come off as jerk-ish :-) | 20:36 |
| jbresnah | it didnt | 20:36 |
| jbresnah | (didn't even entry my mind that way) | 20:37 |
| markwash | phew | 20:37 |
| jbresnah | if glance is just tracking image blobs | 20:37 |
| jbresnah | then the formats would not be replicas at all | 20:37 |
| jbresnah | but if it is just doing blobs, why is it in the business of conversion | 20:37 |
| flaper87 | TBH, I'd also like glance to be more "image aware" and be capable of introspecting images (extracting metadata and useful info from them) | 20:37 |
| jbresnah | i have no objection either way, i just think it should be well defined | 20:38 |
| flaper87 | but that maybe could be discussed in another meeting | 20:38 |
| markwash | I was definitely in the "just blobs" mindset | 20:38 |
| jbresnah | we need to have a strong typing on the service or feature creap happens | 20:38 |
| nikhil | 12 mins to go | 20:38 |
| jbresnah | just blobs works, but then why does glance convert? | 20:38 |
| markwash | but then there would still be a justification for conversion, in that a given deployer knows that he can't actually run qcow2 internally | 20:38 |
| markwash | for example | 20:39 |
| jbresnah | so, is the idea is to have a image conversion service under the glance umbrella? | 20:39 |
| markwash | maybe there is more discussion here that should follow on or be a part of the upload/download workflow? | 20:39 |
| flaper87 | I'm not sure about having conversions in Glance, TBH | 20:39 |
| markwash | jbresnah: not quite | 20:39 |
| ameade | does glance deal with bits or not? | 20:40 |
| ameade | we just need to define that | 20:40 |
| ameade | then we can go headstrong into whatever | 20:40 |
| jbresnah | yeah, i think glance's role could be more clearly defined | 20:40 |
| markwash | so, action item is to refine the pitch for conversion? | 20:40 |
| flaper87 | as for now, I like to think it doesn't | 20:40 |
| jbresnah | and if it was, i think i would be siginificantly less of a PITA :-( | 20:40 |
| nikhil | is glance == metadata + image data? | 20:40 |
| jbresnah | perhaps a specific meeting to discuss glance's hats? | 20:41 |
| esheffield | or glance == metadata + image directory | 20:41 |
| rosmaita | i think that glance should allow users to upload images in wome enumeration of formats and should make sure that when the image is used, it's in a format that the cloud the glance is in can use | 20:41 |
| flaper87 | jbresnah: +1 | 20:41 |
| nikhil | there is yes and no there either way esheffield | 20:41 |
| nikhil | ? | 20:41 |
| markwash | quick, somebody #action something! :-) | 20:42 |
| nikhil | you might have done that markwash | 20:42 |
| nikhil | ! | 20:42 |
| nikhil | on "something" :) | 20:43 |
| jbresnah | heh | 20:43 |
| markwash | #action markwash schedule meeting to further discuss image conversion and glance's role with image data | 20:43 |
| nikhil | awesome | 20:43 |
| ameade | +1 | 20:43 |
| flaper87 | +1 | 20:43 |
| jbresnah | +1 | 20:43 |
| esheffield | +1 | 20:43 |
| markwash | okay, we aren't going to get through all of the ones on the list today, but that's def okay | 20:43 |
| markwash | I'd like to skip out of the summit session bps down to the "Other new Blueprints" section of https://etherpad.openstack.org/glance-meeting-agenda | 20:44 |
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| markwash | and, going out of order, flaper87 had some discussion points around functional testing | 20:44 |
| nikhil | wow, that domain model will need a lot of work | 20:44 |
| nikhil | guessing | 20:45 |
| markwash | flaper87: functional test bp notes? | 20:45 |
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| flaper87 | well, not many. THere are a couple of things I think we should improve there: 1) Reduce the number of tests that need an up&running glance service (perhaps converting some to unittests) | 20:46 |
| markwash | +1 | 20:46 |
| flaper87 | jbresnah: has been doing an amazing job on improving fuinctional tests performance | 20:46 |
| markwash | +1000 | 20:46 |
| jbresnah | really i jsut did the impl, markwash did the hard part | 20:47 |
| ameade | yeah shoutout to jbresnah | 20:47 |
| jbresnah | redirects to markwash | 20:47 |
| markwash | well, and also the fix to port selection has landed | 20:47 |
| nikhil | o/ | 20:47 |
| flaper87 | oh another one | 20:47 |
| markwash | I'm curious if folks are still seing a lot of ECONNREFUSED jenkins blowouts | 20:47 |
| flaper87 | 2) We should stop using glance-control for functional tests | 20:48 |
| flaper87 | T_T | 20:48 |
| jbresnah | yeah i would like to know that too | 20:48 |
| jbresnah | ECONN | 20:48 |
| ameade | one thing i wanted to mention with regard to reviews, which has been better lately but still, is requiring unit tests and not just functional | 20:48 |
| markwash | ah yes, I forgot alla bout glance-control over night | 20:48 |
| jbresnah | ameade: what do you mean? | 20:49 |
| flaper87 | markwash: I haven't sent the email because it's holiday here and my gf took advantage of that :P | 20:49 |
| flaper87 | I'll send it later | 20:49 |
| markwash | :-) | 20:49 |
| markwash | cool | 20:49 |
| nikhil | :) | 20:49 |
| markwash | #action flaper87 send that glance-control email | 20:49 |
| ameade | jbresnah: i just mean that in the past i've seen functional test coverage be good enough for a patch and that shouldnt be | 20:49 |
| ameade | not a big deal since i havent noticed lately | 20:50 |
| nikhil | more than 50 mins now | 20:50 |
| nikhil | markwash: ^^ | 20:50 |
| flaper87 | about ECONN, I haven't seen it lately | 20:50 |
| jbresnah | oh i see | 20:50 |
| jbresnah | yeah | 20:50 |
| markwash | ameade: that is a really good point | 20:50 |
| jbresnah | +1 | 20:50 |
| markwash | there are a few items on open discussion | 20:50 |
| markwash | #topic open discussion | 20:50 |
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| nikhil | i have one question | 20:50 |
| markwash | go for it | 20:50 |
| nikhil | scott was assign to public glance and wondering if he's working on it? | 20:51 |
| nikhil | assigned* | 20:51 |
| markwash | nikhil: good point, we need to follow up with him | 20:51 |
| nikhil | thanks, action item? | 20:52 |
| markwash | #action markwash follow up with smoser on public glance bp | 20:52 |
| flaper87 | I'd like to know if we plan to support legacy commands. They've been deprecated since folsom, AFAIK and some of them have given users some issues | 20:52 |
| nikhil | perfect! | 20:52 |
| flaper87 | I think we should drop them based on the fact that new commands have been around for 2 releases | 20:52 |
| flaper87 | and we should support those | 20:52 |
| nikhil | +1 | 20:53 |
| ameade | flaper87: +1 | 20:53 |
| nikhil | flaper87: ^^ | 20:53 |
| * jbresnah agrees | 20:53 | |
| markwash | its not an issue to drop support for them? | 20:53 |
| ameade | markwash: well we version glance-client dont we? | 20:53 |
| flaper87 | they're all covered by the new commands | 20:53 |
| flaper87 | so, a big NOTE in the change log | 20:53 |
| flaper87 | and release notes should be enough | 20:54 |
| flaper87 | IMHO | 20:54 |
| markwash | this would be a major version change I think | 20:54 |
| flaper87 | plus, they won't see them anymore :P | 20:54 |
| jbresnah | user legacy scripts could be scripting around the old calls | 20:54 |
| ameade | markwash: yes definitely | 20:54 |
| jbresnah | but they have been deprecated for some time | 20:54 |
| ameade | we dont do "releases" for clients do we? | 20:54 |
| markwash | #action bcwaldon consider dropping legacy shell commands in glance client and let us know why or why not | 20:54 |
| jbresnah | and setting a cultural understanding that deprecation means it is probably a good thing | 20:54 |
| markwash | bcwaldon really still owns this for now, I haven't taken the time to get up to speed | 20:55 |
| nikhil | releases for glance client too? (good point ameade) | 20:55 |
| markwash | jbresnah: did you want to try to schedule a meeting for talking about the transfer service? | 20:55 |
| jbresnah | i do | 20:55 |
| jbresnah | but i thnk i will send email about it | 20:56 |
| flaper87 | I also wanted to let folks now that I submitted 2 patches for review related to the new registry's api. I'd love to have some feedback from you and make sure we agree with what have been written there | 20:56 |
| markwash | cool | 20:56 |
| jbresnah | i want to have a few more thoughts clear and available for pre-meeting consumption | 20:56 |
| markwash | and in general I'd like to remind folks that | 20:56 |
| flaper87 | Registry's V2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27359/ | 20:56 |
| markwash | #info glance review and bug squashing day tomorrow! | 20:56 |
| flaper87 | ww000000000000000000000000000000000ttttttttttttttttt | 20:56 |
| * jbresnah is looking forward to it! | 20:56 | |
| ameade | heck yeah | 20:57 |
| flaper87 | In an hour it will be tomorrow for me | 20:57 |
| ameade | some hard core coding and reviewing action | 20:57 |
| jbresnah | flaper87: i was looking over that review and i think i need some interactive help understanding some things | 20:57 |
| rosmaita | let the squashing begin! | 20:57 |
| markwash | also, its probably obvious that this meeting format is still a little under-construction | 20:57 |
| jbresnah | flaper87: perhaps later today if not too late for you? | 20:57 |
| rosmaita | flaper87: where are you located physically? | 20:57 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: Italy | 20:57 |
| flaper87 | jbresnah: it's never late :P | 20:57 |
| markwash | anybody got quick feedback? also you can email me longer feedback as well | 20:57 |
| flaper87 | jbresnah: sounds great! | 20:57 |
| jbresnah | markwash: i am really happy about these meetings FYI | 20:58 |
| nikhil | markwash: like on the meetings! | 20:58 |
| ameade | markwash: i think they are going well | 20:58 |
| * flaper87 is happy too | 20:58 | |
| jbresnah | markwash: it is making it so much easier for me to get involved in things | 20:58 |
| ameade | we just have so much to discuss atm | 20:58 |
| rosmaita | +1 | 20:58 |
| jbresnah | nod | 20:58 |
| markwash | okay cool. . feel free to share ideas for improvment though. I'm just improvising at this point :-) | 20:58 |
| ameade | well good job so far markwash | 20:58 |
| nikhil | free food | 20:59 |
| flaper87 | +1 | 20:59 |
| jbresnah | nod | 20:59 |
| markwash | lets's close it there, we can discuss the bps we missed next week or offline during the week | 20:59 |
| rosmaita | flaper87: ciao! | 20:59 |
| markwash | nikhil: lol! | 20:59 |
| ameade | kk | 20:59 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: ciao :D | 20:59 |
| markwash | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
| markwash | bam | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 25 20:59:28 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-04-25-20.01.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-04-25-20.01.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-04-25-20.01.log.html | 20:59 |
| flaper87 | awesome! great meeting folks! | 20:59 |
| ameade | esheffield: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Glance | 21:00 |
| nikhil | flaper87: tschao | 21:00 |
| nikhil | :) | 21:00 |
| flaper87 | :P | 21:00 |
| ameade | on over to #openstack-glance | 21:00 |
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