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| hub_cap | yall ready for another meeting? :) | 20:59 |
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| cp16net | joy | 21:00 |
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| cp16net | are you ready for another? | 21:00 |
| SlickNik | ready | 21:00 |
| cp16net | steady | 21:00 |
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| hub_cap | ok since we are coming closer to being openstack projects we shoudl do teh standard | 21:01 |
| datsun180b | oh boy | 21:01 |
| hub_cap | o/ | 21:01 |
| hub_cap | raise one hand if yer here | 21:01 |
| robertmyers | nope | 21:01 |
| grapex | o/ | 21:01 |
| esp | hey | 21:01 |
| vipul | yoyo | 21:01 |
| vipul | \o/ | 21:01 |
| jcooley | o/ | 21:01 |
| SlickNik | \ o | 21:02 |
| hub_cap | woah vipul calm down w/ your 2 hands ;) | 21:02 |
| vipul | got too exited | 21:02 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: has a disembodied head | 21:02 |
| datsun180b | o7 | 21:02 |
| vipul | salute | 21:02 |
| datsun180b | righto | 21:02 |
| hub_cap | and datsun180b broke his hand punching something | 21:02 |
| hub_cap | oh thats what it is | 21:03 |
| esmute | hai ppl | 21:03 |
| cp16net | \o | 21:03 |
| imsplitbit | hallo! | 21:03 |
| djohnstone1 | punching a punching bag | 21:03 |
| cp16net | haha i remember that | 21:03 |
| hub_cap | #startmeeting reddwarf | 21:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 30 21:03:33 2013 UTC. The chair is hub_cap. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 21:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'reddwarf' | 21:03 |
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| hub_cap | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/RedDwarfMeeting#Agenda_for_the_next_meeting | 21:03 |
| datsun180b | refraining from comment as the bot is listening now | 21:03 |
| hub_cap | datsun180b: this is always logged, bot or not | 21:04 |
| cp16net | the agenda has not been updated | 21:04 |
| SlickNik | I, for one, welcome our bot overlords. | 21:04 |
| hub_cap | well lets talk about the tc thing | 21:04 |
| vipul | nice work on that btw | 21:04 |
| datsun180b | further reason to not bring up old wounds | 21:04 |
| hub_cap | #topic action items | 21:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 21:05 | |
| hub_cap | it was, interesting vipul | 21:05 |
| hub_cap | lets do last wks and then move on to the tc stuff | 21:05 |
| hub_cap | vipul: backup api? | 21:05 |
| vipul | juice volunteered to take that from me | 21:05 |
| SlickNik | okay, sounds good. | 21:05 |
| vipul | need to get that in though.. too long | 21:05 |
| juice | I have most of it done - will be checked in by tomorrow before vacay | 21:06 |
| grapex | So a question about the backup api pull requests | 21:06 |
| hub_cap | yup grapex? | 21:06 |
| grapex | it's split into two now, would it be easier if it was just one? | 21:06 |
| hub_cap | brb | 21:06 |
| vipul | i dunno.. that review is 1000 lines.. | 21:06 |
| juice | what do you mean grapex? | 21:06 |
| grapex | As I understand it's in one place right now on GitHub as is, so it might be easier to just submit that | 21:06 |
| vipul | the other one is over 2k | 21:06 |
| SlickNik | for some definition of easier, perhaps…. | 21:06 |
| grapex | vipul: I don't mind | 21:06 |
| grapex | In fact, I'm having a harder time reviewing them split up | 21:06 |
| vipul | i think SlickNik has them dependent on one-another | 21:07 |
| grapex | since the functionality is complete it would seem there's no harm in just making one big one | 21:07 |
| juice | grapex: I feel ya | 21:07 |
| vipul | which is probably the better approach as we try to limit the size of our patches | 21:07 |
| imsplitbit | grapex: there is some usefulness into smaller patches tho | 21:07 |
| imsplitbit | easier to follow for most | 21:07 |
| hub_cap | this is a problem being argued right now on the ML fwiw | 21:08 |
| vipul | if you pulled the 'leaf' patch, you'll get both | 21:08 |
| grapex | One problem though is patch one contains a lot of additions without the context of how they're used | 21:08 |
| juice | what's that hub_cap? | 21:08 |
| imsplitbit | 3k lines of code is hard for most people to keep straight in their heads even when they wrote it. | 21:08 |
| grapex | vipul: 'leaf' patch? | 21:08 |
| juice | what problem? | 21:08 |
| grapex | imsplitbit: I don't have to keep it all in my head, I just review a single file at a time and then make sure I understand the core functionality and how it's tested. ;) | 21:08 |
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| vipul | grapex: i meant the bottom-most one that depends on a parent patch | 21:09 |
| esmute | we tried to use the api - taskmanager - guest as the separation when doing patches | 21:09 |
| hub_cap | the multi patch set vs 1 big set juice | 21:09 |
| juice | I'm confused about our review/patch "policy" | 21:09 |
| esmute | hub_cap: what is ML? | 21:09 |
| vipul | mailing list lol | 21:09 |
| grapex | One problem with multiple ones too is if there's cruft that gets checked in on accident, the reviewer might assume its used in pull request #2 | 21:09 |
| imsplitbit | you can't commit 1k patch to any other openstack project without getting a few harsh comments about needing to break things up into small consumable pieces | 21:09 |
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| juice | are patches that get approved and merged expected to be ready for showtime/production? | 21:09 |
| vipul | yup agreed imsplitbit | 21:09 |
| vipul | juice, i don't think they are for other projects | 21:10 |
| hub_cap | juice: for other proejcts its wishy washy i think | 21:10 |
| vipul | they should not break anything, and disabled if necessary | 21:10 |
| grapex | I know we want to be like OpenStack but let's think of if that makes sense in this situation. | 21:10 |
| hub_cap | vipul: well they just freaked out about enabled/disabled on the ml | 21:10 |
| imsplitbit | juice: what I was told with the openvz driver was to submit just enough code to start but do nothing else. then submit a patch that creates a barebones container | 21:10 |
| juice | if it's work in progress state but doesn't break anything then that's different | 21:10 |
| imsplitbit | then one that sizes it. | 21:10 |
| imsplitbit | etc... | 21:10 |
| cp16net | well depends on the timing of the review if they are considered to work or not | 21:10 |
| juice | gots it | 21:10 |
| grapex | juice: I agree- if works in progress break nothing and the added functionality makes sense its cool | 21:11 |
| cp16net | at the begining of the release changes are dramatic and usually break things | 21:11 |
| cp16net | later they are smoothed out. | 21:11 |
| grapex | but in this case most of it seems geared to back ups. I agree in general splitting them up could be helpful but in this case it doesn't buy us much since the one big patch already is known to work | 21:11 |
| juice | it seems like everything that has been submitted thus far has the expectation during review that it is ready for primetime | 21:11 |
| hub_cap | i thnk we should try to table this for now too.. lets see how it pans out w/ the other openstack projects and try to adopt what they are doing | 21:12 |
| grapex | Is being ready for primetime a bad thing? Let's think of what *we* would like to do. | 21:12 |
| hub_cap | if we want to merge that into 1 patchset we can now | 21:12 |
| hub_cap | well grapex we have the explicit problem of tracking trunk | 21:12 |
| imsplitbit | grapex: that is a valid point and we're also small enough of a team to be able to sit down and iron out understanding it but for future pieces we should *probably* be in the habit of doing much smaller patches | 21:12 |
| vipul | imsplitbit: +100 | 21:12 |
| hub_cap | from a non trunk tracking perspective, ie, i download and install stable releases, they dont care if 3 wks in to havana-2 u drop something that doesnt work | 21:12 |
| vipul | i'd like to be able to get things in chunks | 21:13 |
| vipul | rather than, does everything work and can it be deployed | 21:13 |
| hub_cap | as long as by 2013.2 it works | 21:13 |
| juice | i am all for small commits that is what I liked about the fork we did | 21:13 |
| cp16net | it needs to be testable and passing gates though... | 21:13 |
| grapex | vipul: So is the plan smaller chunks could get checked in so long as nothing breaks? | 21:13 |
| juice | I would like that process to be in our gated trunk as well | 21:13 |
| hub_cap | 2 things | 21:13 |
| grapex | Or we'd break the integration tests for short stretches of time. | 21:13 |
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| SlickNik | I'm all for small commits too. | 21:14 |
| hub_cap | 1) passes unit tests, and 2) passes integration tests, and has some of each if applicable | 21:14 |
| vipul | grapex: Yea, obviously things should not be breaking, and the API shoudl be disabled possibly if it's not fully ready | 21:14 |
| vipul | but no reason for it to not land | 21:14 |
| hub_cap | it shoudl always have #1 | 21:14 |
| grapex | vipul: Ok, I don't disagree | 21:14 |
| juice | having said all of that, the review process has to be quicker. | 21:14 |
| juice | smaller patches equals less time to develop | 21:14 |
| vipul | juice: i think the only way to do that is smaller patches | 21:14 |
| juice | (usually) | 21:14 |
| imsplitbit | I agree 100% | 21:14 |
| hub_cap | ok so moving on? | 21:14 |
| imsplitbit | +1 | 21:15 |
| cp16net | +1 | 21:15 |
| vipul | w00t | 21:15 |
| juice | are we coming back to this at some point in the near future | 21:15 |
| SlickNik | move on, revisit. | 21:15 |
| esmute | juice: and less time to review | 21:15 |
| hub_cap | cp16net have u learn't to speel? | 21:15 |
| cp16net | sometimes | 21:15 |
| hub_cap | and SlickNik, have u learn't to eat skeetles? | 21:15 |
| cp16net | lol | 21:15 |
| SlickNik | not yet. | 21:15 |
| SlickNik | Work in Progress. | 21:15 |
| hub_cap | well put them on the lis for next wk ;) jk | 21:15 |
| vipul | #action talk about smaller patches in the near future | 21:15 |
| hub_cap | robertmyers: lets chat notifications | 21:16 |
| hub_cap | have u updated them to get them inline w/ OpenStack? | 21:16 |
| robertmyers | almost | 21:16 |
| robertmyers | running into a problem getting availability zone | 21:16 |
| robertmyers | and region | 21:16 |
| vipul | robertmyers: i didn't see the exists event being emitted... we talked about putting it in contrib.. or did i just miss it | 21:16 |
| robertmyers | they don't seem to be available outside of nova | 21:16 |
| robertmyers | we handle exists in a separate process | 21:17 |
| juice | robertmyers: are you having difficulty finding an api that provides that info? | 21:17 |
| robertmyers | there is none | 21:17 |
| grapex | vipul: Did we agree on an exists event? Maybe it was one of the days I was gone, to my thinking the way we do it and the way HP does it will probably be too different to be useful. | 21:17 |
| hub_cap | we migth nto want to tho, especially if nova handles it in the same process | 21:17 |
| hub_cap | grapex: nova emits an exist event | 21:17 |
| hub_cap | _in_ its primary source | 21:17 |
| grapex | hub_cap: Ok. | 21:17 |
| vipul | grapex: we shoudl have a refernce impl | 21:17 |
| vipul | maybe contrib is what we said | 21:17 |
| hub_cap | id prefer to have something in reddwarf/ if tahts the way OpenStack does it | 21:18 |
| vipul | hub_cap: fine by me | 21:18 |
| hub_cap | we can start w/ contrib tho if its a can of worms | 21:18 |
| vipul | | OS-EXT-AZ:availability_zone | nova | | 21:19 |
| vipul | robertmyers: ^ | 21:19 |
| vipul | extension? | 21:19 |
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| robertmyers | vipul: it doesn't come back in my tests like that | 21:19 |
| vipul | saw that via 'nova show' | 21:19 |
| vipul | robertmyers: i'd be ok with keeping some things blank if we can't get from API.. we may need to consider adding that info to RD | 21:21 |
| hub_cap | robertmyers: maybe the extensions not enabled? | 21:21 |
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| hub_cap | OS-EXT-AZ needs to be alive for that | 21:21 |
| robertmyers | hmm, maybe | 21:22 |
| robertmyers | I'm running the tests in 'fake' mode | 21:22 |
| robertmyers | or tox that is | 21:22 |
| hub_cap | HA | 21:22 |
| hub_cap | then there is no nova | 21:22 |
| grapex | robertmyers: If we never used it before, we probably didn't emulate it in fake mode. ;) | 21:22 |
| hub_cap | exactly grapex | 21:22 |
| hub_cap | nova is a dictionary in fake mode, right grapex? | 21:22 |
| hub_cap | :P | 21:22 |
| cp16net | yea | 21:23 |
| robertmyers | okay, well, I'll dig deeper | 21:23 |
| grapex | hub_cap: It's a class, actually, but its an easy change | 21:23 |
| hub_cap | sure grapex i meant that as a general thought more than a implementation | 21:23 |
| SlickNik | I just checked on my devstack instance. | 21:23 |
| hub_cap | ok so the last one was to get me back on reddwarf | 21:23 |
| SlickNik | OS-EXT-AZ:availability_zone | nova | | 21:23 |
| hub_cap | and whelp | 21:23 |
| SlickNik | So I see an AZ, but no region. | 21:23 |
| hub_cap | ill likely be off again to work on the heat / postgres stuff for next wk | 21:23 |
| SlickNik | So it might be a fake mode thing, robertmyers. | 21:24 |
| hub_cap | so my actions work may fall along the wayside... again...... | 21:24 |
| robertmyers | my bad | 21:24 |
| cp16net | hub_cap: sounds like a recurring theme | 21:24 |
| hub_cap | um ya... | 21:24 |
| hub_cap | i do what the community needs | 21:24 |
| vipul | robertmyers: region should be a config driven thing me things | 21:25 |
| vipul | thnks | 21:25 |
| hub_cap | not what i want | 21:25 |
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| SlickNik | well, at least that's a step closer. :) | 21:25 |
| hub_cap | vipul: def | 21:25 |
| hub_cap | okey. done w/ action items | 21:25 |
| imsplitbit | hub_cap: which community? cause we want you to work on reddwarf | 21:25 |
| imsplitbit | :-) | 21:25 |
| robertmyers | vipul: ok | 21:25 |
| hub_cap | lol the openstack community | 21:25 |
| hub_cap | ps ive updated the agenda | 21:25 |
| hub_cap | for those who dont compulisvely refresh | 21:25 |
| hub_cap | and for those who can spell | 21:26 |
| imsplitbit | speel | 21:26 |
| hub_cap | #topic TC/Incubation | 21:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "TC/Incubation (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 21:26 | |
| SlickNik | I think I'm getting an F5 complex... | 21:26 |
| hub_cap | HA. theres a plugin for that | 21:26 |
| hub_cap | im personally a cmd-r kinda guy | 21:26 |
| cp16net | F5? | 21:26 |
| hub_cap | its refresh | 21:26 |
| imsplitbit | cmd??? | 21:26 |
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| imsplitbit | Wth is that? | 21:26 |
| cp16net | OH... on those other machines... | 21:26 |
| hub_cap | imsplitbit: ya ya im till on a mac | 21:26 |
| hub_cap | *still | 21:27 |
| hub_cap | ok so the TC meeting went pretty well | 21:27 |
| imsplitbit | hub_cap: do you hear it? | 21:27 |
| hub_cap | baby jesus? | 21:27 |
| imsplitbit | yes | 21:27 |
| imsplitbit | you've made him cry | 21:27 |
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| hub_cap | HA | 21:27 |
| imsplitbit | now tell us of the TC/incubation pls | 21:27 |
| vipul | inside joke? | 21:27 |
| vipul | lol | 21:27 |
| hub_cap | so they want to know 2 things more than anything else | 21:27 |
| hub_cap | if heat will require a major overhaul of the API/Impl, and a POC for a diff db in dbaas | 21:28 |
| hub_cap | they are also unsure if nosql fits the bill for this | 21:28 |
| hub_cap | god if thats the case grapex will be über vindicated | 21:28 |
| grapex | lol! | 21:28 |
| hub_cap | he will stand and point at all of us | 21:28 |
| imsplitbit | haha! | 21:28 |
| grapex | I was really glad no one quoted me from the talk about nosql... | 21:28 |
| imsplitbit | I think it's all in how the api is structured | 21:28 |
| vipul | you may get your wish | 21:28 |
| hub_cap | imsplitbit: def | 21:28 |
| hub_cap | the main diff w/ the rds stuff is the api _is_ the servcie | 21:29 |
| vipul | there is really nothing that i can see that's relationdb specific yet | 21:29 |
| hub_cap | our api is a "on behalf of" service that lets u run what u want | 21:29 |
| imsplitbit | there's too much overlap for there *not* to be applicable | 21:29 |
| hub_cap | ya... the rds nosql thing was brought up, but i think that we can squash that later | 21:29 |
| imsplitbit | s/there/it/g | 21:29 |
| grapex | Whats kind of funny, it seems like its sort of bad we're already in production before starting these talks, but its also a problem we haven't started on nosql. | 21:29 |
| hub_cap | honestly, its probably much easier to do a pgsql impl than say redis currently | 21:30 |
| juice | we should do postgres | 21:30 |
| hub_cap | juice: im working on the poc already, have the image spun | 21:30 |
| juice | nice! | 21:30 |
| hub_cap | so im gonna spend a day or two on that, and then investigate heat | 21:30 |
| SlickNik | hub_cap: did you hit any major hurdles? | 21:30 |
| hub_cap | not yet SlickNik, its just liek the other images :D | 21:30 |
| hub_cap | apt-get install postgresql | 21:31 |
| vipul | so wrt Heat, I primarily see it as a provisioning thing... and that's it | 21:31 |
| cp16net | heat doesnt seem like a big deal | 21:31 |
| imsplitbit | hub_cap: I will volunteer my time to help with postgres if needed | 21:31 |
| hub_cap | vipul: thats all it is... | 21:31 |
| vipul | once it's provisioned, it's managed by Reddwarf after | 21:31 |
| hub_cap | imsplitbit: cool | 21:31 |
| vipul | basically instead of calling Nova API directly, we call heat api | 21:31 |
| cp16net | i see it maybe asa plugable manager like heatmanager rather than taskmanager | 21:31 |
| hub_cap | exactly vipul, so i might go crazy and try to POC heat if its not too much work | 21:31 |
| hub_cap | we will still need TM tho | 21:31 |
| hub_cap | for things like backups etc.. | 21:32 |
| hub_cap | its more like "dont do the prepare call" | 21:32 |
| SlickNik | yeah, I don't think we can use heat to completely rid ourselves of TM. | 21:32 |
| vipul | does Heat have an agent? | 21:32 |
| hub_cap | i dont think so vipul | 21:32 |
| hub_cap | im actuallly pretty durn sure it does not | 21:32 |
| SlickNik | vipul: Nope, it's agentless. | 21:32 |
| esmute | can that stuff be moved from the TM to the agent? | 21:32 |
| cp16net | right... there are lots of things that do not over lap | 21:32 |
| vipul | yea so i don't get the duplication of functionality suggestions i heard | 21:32 |
| hub_cap | esmute: not sure.. | 21:32 |
| esmute | maybe we 'can' rid of the TM | 21:32 |
| cp16net | wrt heat because other wise we would be a copy of heat | 21:33 |
| hub_cap | vipul: mainly areound the initial instrumenting | 21:33 |
| juice | hub_cap: i'd like to take a peak to see how manager/dbaas can be better suited to handle that. | 21:33 |
| grapex | esmute: Are you saying move TM stuff to the agent? | 21:33 |
| hub_cap | esmute: doubtful at present | 21:33 |
| juice | seems like dbaas is really mysql-dbaas | 21:33 |
| esmute | grapex: Not sure if i should answer that question | 21:33 |
| SlickNik | as I see it, we don't have too much overlap today. | 21:33 |
| juice | i.e. dbaas.py | 21:33 |
| hub_cap | juice: it is now :) | 21:33 |
| hub_cap | its about to be fixed | 21:33 |
| juice | well done sir | 21:33 |
| hub_cap | w/ the postgres impl | 21:33 |
| vipul | yea probably easy to genericize | 21:33 |
| SlickNik | But in the future, if we plan on implementing things like clustering, the scope for overlap would grow. | 21:33 |
| vipul | just haven't had the need to | 21:34 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: def | 21:34 |
| hub_cap | so anyhoo, unless someone else has any issues, lets move on | 21:34 |
| imsplitbit | +1 | 21:34 |
| hub_cap | #topic OpenVZ | 21:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenVZ (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 21:34 | |
| hub_cap | imsplitbit: its go time | 21:34 |
| imsplitbit | ok I've submitted everything for stackforge | 21:34 |
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| imsplitbit | waiting on another +2 from core | 21:34 |
| imsplitbit | I'll bug them tomorrow | 21:34 |
| vipul | a new stackforge proj? | 21:35 |
| imsplitbit | I've packaged up the driver | 21:35 |
| imsplitbit | yep | 21:35 |
| vipul | cool! | 21:35 |
| imsplitbit | for the openvz driver | 21:35 |
| imsplitbit | the driver is now in a deb package | 21:35 |
| cp16net | thats great news imsplitbit :) | 21:35 |
| SlickNik | that's awesome! | 21:35 |
| imsplitbit | and installs itself in such a way that you *should* be able to use it properly, I'm working on testing it now | 21:35 |
| hub_cap | imsplitbit: link? | 21:35 |
| imsplitbit | the package isn't in a repo yet | 21:35 |
| hub_cap | to the review silly goose | 21:36 |
| imsplitbit | I'll link the github for the sources | 21:36 |
| imsplitbit | oh | 21:36 |
| vipul | the source will be in the repo as well as package? | 21:36 |
| imsplitbit | wait one | 21:36 |
| imsplitbit | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27421/ | 21:36 |
| imsplitbit | thats the review | 21:36 |
| SlickNik | sweet, thanks | 21:36 |
| imsplitbit | vipul: I'll have a ppa for the package | 21:36 |
| imsplitbit | and the source is in github | 21:36 |
| vipul | i see awesome | 21:36 |
| imsplitbit | #link https://github.com/imsplitbit/openvz-nova-driver | 21:36 |
| imsplitbit | I spoke with russell from the nova group | 21:37 |
| cp16net | imsplitbit: you can add them to the list of reviewers | 21:37 |
| cp16net | and they will get an email to review it | 21:37 |
| cp16net | do you know who else you need to bother? | 21:37 |
| imsplitbit | and they are working toward making everything use a different interface for drivers which will allow a more friendly way of implementing out of tree drivers to nova | 21:37 |
| * imsplitbit shugs | 21:37 | |
| imsplitbit | monty taylor | 21:37 |
| hub_cap | "working toward" == no one is going to do it | 21:37 |
| imsplitbit | well there is a bluprint that no one wants to tackle | 21:38 |
| imsplitbit | :-) | 21:38 |
| imsplitbit | I *may* try my hand at it | 21:38 |
| vipul | good stuff.. | 21:38 |
| imsplitbit | it's not going to be super easy but it may be worth the contribution to get more influence to get the driver in nova proper | 21:38 |
| hub_cap | de | 21:38 |
| hub_cap | f | 21:38 |
| SlickNik | I need a lesson in OpenStack sp33k... | 21:38 |
| vipul | you're going to set up a test that patches devstack install to run openvz? | 21:39 |
| imsplitbit | vipul: that would be the next step yes. I'd have to extend devstack with a script that adds the ppa and package as a dep | 21:39 |
| imsplitbit | but it *should* be do-able | 21:39 |
| hub_cap | imsplitbit: i added monty to the list of reviewers | 21:39 |
| vipul | cool | 21:39 |
| imsplitbit | right now I'm supposed to package it and make sure it's available for people to use and then I have to move onto something else for a bit | 21:40 |
| imsplitbit | but I'll keep up with it | 21:40 |
| SlickNik | imsplitbit: that would be neat.. | 21:40 |
| cp16net | nice | 21:40 |
| vipul | ebay dudes were interested | 21:40 |
| imsplitbit | I have a contact at disney that is also interested in it | 21:40 |
| vipul | at least a few of us now are .. so maybe that'll be a forcing factor.. maybe..? | 21:40 |
| hub_cap | hmm imsplitbit i see a extra newline in a file | 21:40 |
| hub_cap | not sure if i should comment on it or not | 21:40 |
| hub_cap | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27421/4/modules/openstack_project/files/zuul/layout.yaml (2 newlines) | 21:41 |
| imsplitbit | is there? crap I cleaned most of that out. which file? | 21:41 |
| imsplitbit | hmmm | 21:41 |
| imsplitbit | ok let me fix that up | 21:41 |
| imsplitbit | don't comment on it | 21:41 |
| hub_cap | i wont ;) | 21:41 |
| hub_cap | but push will still nuke it | 21:41 |
| hub_cap | nuke everyones +2's | 21:41 |
| imsplitbit | yeah I'm gonna leave it | 21:41 |
| hub_cap | HA u should fix | 21:41 |
| imsplitbit | I've got 2 +2s | 21:41 |
| imsplitbit | :-) | 21:42 |
| vipul | don't mess with a good thing | 21:42 |
| cp16net | lol | 21:42 |
| imsplitbit | I will, after | 21:42 |
| hub_cap | they will re +2 it | 21:42 |
| imsplitbit | :-) | 21:42 |
| cp16net | i know that feeling | 21:42 |
| hub_cap | imsplitbit: bad bad bad | 21:42 |
| SlickNik | lolol | 21:42 |
| cp16net | and so will jenkins | 21:42 |
| cp16net | :-P | 21:42 |
| hub_cap | speaking of jenkins | 21:42 |
| imsplitbit | thats all I got on openvz | 21:42 |
| hub_cap | #topic jenkins | 21:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "jenkins (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 21:42 | |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: do tell | 21:42 |
| vipul | thanks imsplitbit | 21:42 |
| SlickNik | So, Matty worked on a fix. | 21:42 |
| SlickNik | But the fix isn't working as expected. | 21:43 |
| SlickNik | It's still clobbering the gerrit env during consecutive runs. | 21:43 |
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| vipul | is it consecutive or concurrent only | 21:43 |
| vipul | we could dial down the concurrent runs if needed | 21:44 |
| SlickNik | The fix that he has now is busted for concurrent. | 21:44 |
| hub_cap | heh. ok so its being worked on? matty should join #reddwarf to keep us updated ;) | 21:44 |
| vipul | he promised to pull an all-nighter if necessary :D | 21:44 |
| SlickNik | So it should work if I reduce the number of executors back to 1. | 21:44 |
| hub_cap | ok lets at least do that for now SlickNik | 21:44 |
| SlickNik | But we don't want to have to do that. | 21:44 |
| hub_cap | we need to push some code | 21:44 |
| vipul | need to get him on irc | 21:44 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: 1 > 0 | 21:45 |
| SlickNik | yeah, I'm gonna switch back to 1 for now. | 21:45 |
| hub_cap | and thats what we have currently | 21:45 |
| SlickNik | agreed hub_cap. | 21:45 |
| hub_cap | sweet. <3 | 21:45 |
| hub_cap | lol sweetheart | 21:45 |
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| SlickNik | err… don't forget the space… :) | 21:45 |
| SlickNik | #action slicknik to switch back executors to 1 and then back up to 2 when the VM plugin is fixed. | 21:46 |
| hub_cap | okey movin on | 21:46 |
| hub_cap | #topic Backups | 21:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Backups (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 21:46 | |
| kagan | hold on, 1>0 but sweet < 3 ?? | 21:46 |
| * hub_cap mind is blown | 21:46 | |
| SlickNik | wow | 21:46 |
| hub_cap | nice one kagan | 21:46 |
| vipul | someone's paying attention | 21:47 |
| hub_cap | so i guess all thats needed w/ backups is it to pass some tests eh? | 21:47 |
| hub_cap | well do we have said tests? | 21:47 |
| hub_cap | integration i mean | 21:47 |
| SlickNik | I'm working on said tests. | 21:47 |
| vipul | SlickNik: the enable swift thing got merged, so that should be one less issue | 21:47 |
| SlickNik | But I hit an issue where we don't have the root password on the restored instance to be able to connect to it. | 21:47 |
| hub_cap | cuz it overwrites it eh? | 21:48 |
| hub_cap | u mean for the osadmin user? | 21:48 |
| kagan | yep, prepare() | 21:48 |
| vipul | err maybe it didn't.. grapex only +2'd no approval: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27291/ | 21:48 |
| SlickNik | either root or os_admin. | 21:48 |
| hub_cap | see this will be magically solved w/ heat /rimshot | 21:48 |
| juice | oh really? | 21:49 |
| hub_cap | vipul: id like to see the jobs pass first | 21:49 |
| grapex | vipul: hub_cap said there was an issue | 21:49 |
| hub_cap | then ill approve it | 21:49 |
| SlickNik | root@localhost gets a random password when the db is initialized with secure() | 21:49 |
| vipul | let me see if our jenkins has cycles lol.. i'll re kick it | 21:50 |
| SlickNik | and os_admin password is stored in the my.cnf which is not part of the restored db. | 21:50 |
| hub_cap | do the integration tests run against stock mysql or percona on yalls jenkins? (kinda random) | 21:50 |
| esp | think it just does mysql right now | 21:50 |
| esp | need to do percona too soon | 21:50 |
| vipul | stock | 21:50 |
| hub_cap | cool. ya i bet once we go vm gate, we could do both a bit easier | 21:51 |
| SlickNik | hub_cap / vipul: I think there might be an issue with the int tests that we need to look at soon. I don't think they're running clean right now. | 21:51 |
| hub_cap | hmm really? | 21:51 |
| hub_cap | can someone do a fresh pull on a fresh vm and check em out? | 21:51 |
| hub_cap | any takers? | 21:51 |
| esp | sure | 21:51 |
| hub_cap | <3 esp | 21:51 |
| hub_cap | /offtopic by the way, <3 is the phrase "less than or butt", kinda like less than or equal | 21:52 |
| SlickNik | test_instance_created seems to be failing consistently, not sure why. | 21:52 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: ok we need to investigate for sure then | 21:52 |
| hub_cap | if thats the case, raise it in #reddwarf | 21:52 |
| hub_cap | esp: ^ ^ | 21:52 |
| esp | k | 21:53 |
| vipul | kicked off another run for the swift patch | 21:53 |
| hub_cap | so moving on? | 21:53 |
| SlickNik | yes, we need to look into that asap. | 21:53 |
| esp | I will know in a bit. | 21:53 |
| imsplitbit | +1 | 21:53 |
| hub_cap | vipul: cool | 21:53 |
| hub_cap | #topic Notifications | 21:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Notifications (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 21:53 | |
| hub_cap | so lets spend a sec talking about exists | 21:53 |
| SlickNik | yup, will keep you guys appraised of the progress with backups. | 21:53 |
| robertmyers | we need to add a periodic task | 21:54 |
| hub_cap | for exist event, id really like to see us just copy what nova does | 21:54 |
| hub_cap | wrt periodic tasks too | 21:54 |
| hub_cap | there is a update to oslo that changes the timers for periodics | 21:54 |
| robertmyers | i can dig into it | 21:54 |
| hub_cap | it used to set it off the _end_ of the previous task | 21:54 |
| hub_cap | but it will set it off the _begin_ of the previouos task | 21:54 |
| hub_cap | so it keeps the timing ~consistant | 21:54 |
| vipul | need to refresh oslo then | 21:54 |
| hub_cap | vipul: i think its on the list, ehh juice? | 21:55 |
| vipul | did juice get periodic_task with his change? | 21:55 |
| SlickNik | I'm not sure if juice is pulling in periodic_task changes... | 21:55 |
| SlickNik | juice? | 21:55 |
| robertmyers | how should we handle running multiple nodes? | 21:55 |
| juice | i'll have to see if it was one of the changes | 21:55 |
| hub_cap | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/26448/ | 21:55 |
| juice | it may not have been pulled int | 21:55 |
| juice | in | 21:55 |
| hub_cap | robertmyers: lets look @ how nova does it, or if it does.. | 21:55 |
| hub_cap | they might just disable it on any _other_ nodes | 21:56 |
| vipul | nothing obvious here: https://github.com/openstack/nova/tree/master/bin | 21:56 |
| vipul | not sure what the thing that runs periodically is | 21:56 |
| juice | I did not do a complete refresh of oslo just what was dependent on notify | 21:56 |
| cp16net | the periodic for the computes is a bin process | 21:56 |
| cp16net | you cron it to run when you want | 21:56 |
| vipul | cp16net is it one of files in nova/bin? | 21:57 |
| cp16net | should be | 21:57 |
| vipul | know which one? | 21:57 |
| cp16net | i dont see it | 21:58 |
| juice | the looping call was not pulled it - should I update the patch to include it? | 21:58 |
| vipul | juice: do it | 21:58 |
| cp16net | well i remember seeing it a while back | 21:59 |
| juice | k - I think robertmyers had a play list request for the patch as well | 21:59 |
| SlickNik | juice: I think that's a good idea | 21:59 |
| cp16net | maybe that changed a little | 21:59 |
| juice | as soon as the gate is working again :) | 21:59 |
| hub_cap | #link https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/utils.py#L181 | 21:59 |
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| vipul | hub_cap: nice that's a good starting point | 22:00 |
| hub_cap | moving on? | 22:01 |
| SlickNik | sounds good by me. | 22:01 |
| imsplitbit | +1 | 22:01 |
| hub_cap | #topic RootWrap | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RootWrap (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 22:01 | |
| SlickNik | That's just been on the back burner. | 22:02 |
| hub_cap | okey moving on? | 22:02 |
| vipul | yep | 22:02 |
| imsplitbit | +1 | 22:02 |
| SlickNik | Don't think anyone is actively looking at it? | 22:02 |
| hub_cap | we arent @rax | 22:02 |
| SlickNik | same here @hp. | 22:03 |
| vipul | it's a nicety | 22:03 |
| vipul | not critical | 22:03 |
| hub_cap | #Quotas XML | 22:03 |
| hub_cap | lol | 22:03 |
| hub_cap | #topic Quotas XML | 22:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Quotas XML (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 22:03 | |
| hub_cap | i think this is from last wk | 22:03 |
| grapex | Seems like that was fixed long ago. :) | 22:03 |
| hub_cap | did we clear it up? | 22:03 |
| SlickNik | I thought we had this working. | 22:03 |
| grapex | Yep, the notes are just really old. | 22:03 |
| SlickNik | Yeah, esmute / esp cleared this up. | 22:03 |
| SlickNik | If I recall correctly. | 22:04 |
| hub_cap | ok removed | 22:04 |
| esmute | yup | 22:04 |
| esp | I think I squashed the last xml quota bug | 22:04 |
| SlickNik | good job guys. :) | 22:04 |
| grapex | The whole hostname client thing is probably overcome by events as well. | 22:04 |
| hub_cap | i nuked it too grapex | 22:04 |
| hub_cap | #topic action/events | 22:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action/events (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 22:04 | |
| SlickNik | That's all you, hub_cap | 22:05 |
| hub_cap | ive got the code done honestly, and it works for all the complex instance based events | 22:05 |
| hub_cap | its not working yet for databases/users | 22:05 |
| hub_cap | but i figured that could come a bit later | 22:05 |
| hub_cap | i need to write tests... ive verified it manually at present | 22:05 |
| hub_cap | but im OBE | 22:05 |
| SlickNik | OBE? | 22:05 |
| hub_cap | overcome by events | 22:06 |
| SlickNik | wan kenobi? | 22:06 |
| SlickNik | ah, okay | 22:06 |
| hub_cap | lol | 22:06 |
| hub_cap | sure that too | 22:06 |
| hub_cap | im sooooo gonna die | 22:06 |
| hub_cap | oooops star wars spoiler | 22:06 |
| SlickNik | Don't let the heat get to you… :) | 22:06 |
| hub_cap | HA | 22:06 |
| hub_cap | if someone wnats to pick it up to finish it, ill hand it off | 22:07 |
| grapex | SlickNik: The heat is on. | 22:07 |
| hub_cap | otherwise ill get to it prolly like in 2 wks | 22:07 |
| hub_cap | err in 1 wk | 22:07 |
| vipul | crickets | 22:07 |
| SlickNik | lol@grapex. | 22:07 |
| hub_cap | grapex: queue eddie murphy | 22:07 |
| hub_cap | lol vipul | 22:08 |
| hub_cap | ok so | 22:08 |
| hub_cap | #topic open discussion | 22:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 22:08 | |
| grapex | XmlLint update! I got the code finished but found out there are some bugs. | 22:08 |
| hub_cap | anyone have anything to add to this wonderfully off topic meeting | 22:08 |
| cp16net | btw the periodic usage events are fired off by a periodic task when compute is started up | 22:08 |
| cp16net | #link https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/utils.py#L74 | 22:08 |
| grapex | Just two though, when you request versions that aren't there. | 22:08 |
| vipul | woah cp16net good find | 22:08 |
| cp16net | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NotificationEventExamples | 22:08 |
| hub_cap | thx cp16net | 22:09 |
| SlickNik | grapex: Do the int tests for test_request_bogus_version and test_no_slash_with_version need to be changed? | 22:09 |
| SlickNik | Looks like they have been passing (when rdjenkins was still working well)… | 22:09 |
| hub_cap | wow cp16net grapex they did a lot of work to make sure usage works https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/utils.py#L370 | 22:09 |
| grapex | SlickNik: maybe added to. The problem is we don't return an XML element or JSON table if the version isn't found. | 22:10 |
| grapex | I have a feeling that bug is going to be a royal pain... | 22:10 |
| hub_cap | lol i misspoke https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/utils.py#L421 | 22:10 |
| hub_cap | grapex: have u added bugs for those problemos? | 22:10 |
| robertmyers | #link https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/manager.py#L3600 | 22:10 |
| grapex | SlickNik: Also, this may not be clear, but how the XML lint stuff works is it gets called every single time the client makes a request and gets a response, no matter what. So it runs for the versions tests even though we don't check the request / response body normally. | 22:11 |
| grapex | hub_cap: I can... its super minor. No one likes the poor versions API honestly. | 22:11 |
| hub_cap | sweet robertmyers our job is done :) | 22:11 |
| grapex | I guess I will just for the heck of it | 22:11 |
| vipul | robertmyers: line 3600! | 22:11 |
| hub_cap | grapex: exactly | 22:11 |
| robertmyers | diggin deep | 22:11 |
| hub_cap | let someone who cares handle it | 22:11 |
| cp16net | yup if CONF.instance_uage_audit | 22:11 |
| hub_cap | robertmyers: more like OMG WHY IS THIS SO LARGE OF A FILE | 22:11 |
| cp16net | liol | 22:12 |
| SlickNik | ah, grapex I see. Thanks for the clarifications. | 22:12 |
| vipul | we need an extensions api... just remembered | 22:12 |
| grapex | hub_cap: Because its pythonic to put multiple classes in one file and make them huge? | 22:12 |
| vipul | i think other openstack proj list extensions available? | 22:12 |
| cp16net | oh.... | 22:12 |
| cp16net | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/libvirt-exists-support | 22:12 |
| hub_cap | vipul: good call. we neeed to fix that | 22:12 |
| hub_cap | heh cp16net... we almost didnt have to do any work ;) | 22:13 |
| cp16net | heh | 22:13 |
| hub_cap | is there a bp... i know we talked about it before vipul | 22:13 |
| vipul | don't think so | 22:13 |
| hub_cap | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/reddwarf/+spec/extensions-update | 22:14 |
| robertmyers | stevedore | 22:15 |
| robertmyers | done | 22:15 |
| SlickNik | I think this involves another update from oslo… | 22:15 |
| hub_cap | def robertmyers | 22:15 |
| hub_cap | thats the plan | 22:15 |
| SlickNik | +1 to stevedore | 22:16 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: i know we will have to remove the openstack common extensions stuff | 22:16 |
| hub_cap | ok well weve got taht under control now | 22:16 |
| hub_cap | anything else? | 22:16 |
| hub_cap | we are 15 over | 22:16 |
| vipul | i'm good ... good meet | 22:17 |
| hub_cap | word | 22:17 |
| SlickNik | I'm good as well. | 22:17 |
| SlickNik | Thanks all. | 22:17 |
| imsplitbit | pees! | 22:17 |
| SlickNik | hub_cap, we can have the extensions discussion offline in #reddwarf. | 22:18 |
| hub_cap | imsplitbit: now thats just potty humor /rimshot | 22:18 |
| hub_cap | def SlickNik | 22:18 |
| hub_cap | #endmeeting | 22:18 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 30 22:18:16 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2013/reddwarf.2013-04-30-21.03.html | 22:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2013/reddwarf.2013-04-30-21.03.txt | 22:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2013/reddwarf.2013-04-30-21.03.log.html | 22:18 |
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