Tuesday, 2013-05-14

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-hobana.freenode.net- [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup20:03
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imsplitbitlets get this party started20:33
datsun180b#agree20:33
robertmyersyes20:34
SlickNikAre we waiting for hub_cap?20:34
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datsun180bsomeone's got to kick meeting bot20:34
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esp1hello20:35
kaganhi20:35
clarkbmeetbot should be happy now (at least it was half an hour ago)20:36
esp1cool20:36
datsun180boh sorry, i didn't mean for him to be reset, just activated to start our reddwarf meeting20:36
kagani was happy half an hour ago - doesn't mean i'm happy now ...20:36
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SlickNikLet's go ahead and start.20:37
datsun180bsecond20:37
SlickNik#startmeeting reddwarf20:37
openstackMeeting started Tue May 14 20:37:51 2013 UTC.  The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:37
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:37
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'reddwarf'20:37
SlickNik#topic Update to action items20:38
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SlickNik#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2013/reddwarf.2013-05-07-21.05.html20:38
SlickNikFirst one is mine.20:38
SlickNikI haven't had a chance to look into archiving the logs yet.20:38
SlickNikGot pulled into working on other stuff.20:39
SlickNikSo I'm going to re-action this.20:39
SlickNik#action Slicknik to look into archiving logs for rdjenkins test runs.20:39
cp16netawwww20:39
SlickNikdatsun180b: you got the second one..20:40
cp16netSlickNik: i was hopin i would come back from vacay and it would be done :-P20:40
datsun180bNext I'm up. I managed to pull a couple of the gerrit changesets and run them with no problem on my machine, but I haven't had a chance to figure out what the delta between jenkins and my own box is20:40
cp16nethaha20:40
datsun180bBesides that, the jobs appear to be working with unprecedented consistency as of late20:40
SlickNikdatsun180b: I've only seen it fail on the cloud instances.20:40
SlickNikdatsun180b: and it's intermittent20:40
SlickNikdatsun180b: Yeah, seems to be happening less off late too.20:41
grapexSo its interesting, hub_cap couldn't run it on the Rackspace cloud due to the resize tests never finishing IIRC20:41
grapexIt seems like we may just hit these issues in general when running on a cloud20:41
robertmyersmaybe a longer timeout?20:42
cp16netrun it manually and see how long it takes20:42
SlickNikgrapex: perhaps that's the case. I'm inclined to put this on the back burner for now and keep an eye out for it happening again.20:42
cp16netmaybe it is just taking longer20:42
grapexMaybe we should consider running only a subset of the real mode tests on the reddwarf Jenkins box.20:42
datsun180b#agree20:42
cp16netgrapex: i dont think thats a good idea20:42
grapexMy issue is I feel the Reddwarf Jenkins box has been failing a lot of pull requests, which causes them to not get looked at and slows things down20:42
datsun180bMoving forward I'd love to remove as many free radicals as possible20:42
grapexWe'd run everything except for the resize tests.20:43
grapexcp16net: I'm not saying we canonically get rid of them, I just don't think we have the environment to run these tests now20:43
SlickNikgrapex / cp16net: In the near future, I want to figure out how moving to openstack-ci will affect this too.20:44
grapexIt'd be interesting to know if there are issues with resize related tests in Tempest on openstack-ci20:44
cp16netthats a good point20:45
SlickNikI think we should follow up with hub_cap / ttx / openstack_ci to figure out what the next steps would be to get integrated with devstack_vm_gate.20:45
cp16netaction item for someone to look into that?20:45
SlickNikany volunteers?20:45
grapexI can't speak for hub_cap but he had mentioned that recently20:46
datsun180bi wasn't real helpful except as a control group this last week20:46
SlickNik#action SlickNik to follow up with hub_cap / openstack_ci to see what the next steps are.20:46
SlickNikcool, I can follow up on it.20:46
datsun180bthanks for that20:47
SlickNikno worries.20:47
SlickNiklet's keep moving.20:47
datsun180bI think that means you just got #320:47
grapexHow about a second one20:47
SlickNikrobertmyers, you're next.20:47
grapexWait20:47
SlickNiksure, grapex?20:47
robertmyersokay, the notification pull request is passing now20:47
grapexLet's create an action item to look into if there are resize test problems in Tempest and see if maybe we can determine a fix20:47
SlickNikThat's a good idea.20:48
SlickNikgrapex: do you want to follow up on that?20:49
grapexSure20:49
grapex#action GrapeX to determine if Tempest community has similar issues with resize.20:49
SlickNikthanks!20:49
SlickNikmoving on to the notifications patch.20:49
datsun180bback to you SlickNik for #520:49
SlickNikThanks robertmyers, it looks like it's passing.20:49
robertmyersI think it is ready, just needs a +220:50
robertmyersor more eyes onit20:50
datsun180bi think we just need more eyes in general20:50
robertmyers#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/26884/20:50
robertmyersgo now20:50
cp16netdatsun180b: like flies?20:51
datsun180bwell my +1 only means so much20:51
SlickNikcompound eyes.20:51
cp16neti had issues this morning signing into review these20:51
cp16netlookslike its working now tho20:51
cp16neti'll look at it today/tonight20:51
SlickNikI +2'ed. hub_cap had some comments, so was waiting for either him / grapex to approve.20:51
datsun180bbut yes, more eyes in general20:51
datsun180b#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/is:watched+status:open,n,z20:52
grapexSlickNik: Good point20:52
SlickNikJust wanted to make sure we got all the comments addressed.20:52
SlickNikokay, #5.20:52
SlickNikDidn't get a chance to look into it yet.20:53
grapexReminder- if you want something to get into trunk, and you comment on it, be sure to +1 it later! Otherwise it can look like there's concern over it and will make people not look at it. I've done the same thing myself...20:53
grapexSlickNik: Can +1's in bulk get something merged?20:53
SlickNiknope, grapex.20:54
grapexSlickNik: Ok, thanks20:54
datsun180ball right, i had my concerns20:54
cp16netyeah only approval merge20:54
SlickNikfor a merge, a patch needs at least one +2 and an "Approved"20:54
SlickNikThat's the end of action items.20:55
datsun180bSo what else to discuss?20:55
SlickNik#topic TC20:55
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SlickNikJust walking through the agenda20:56
SlickNikAnything to discuss here?20:56
cp16neti dont think anyone updated the agenda...20:56
cp16netthat was old i believe20:56
hub_caphey looks like we agreed on 30min early ;)20:56
SlickNikcp16net: I think you're right.20:56
cp16netbtw... we are incubation20:56
cp16net:-P20:56
SlickNikwelcome hub_cap.20:56
SlickNikcp16net: yay! :P20:56
cp16nethub_cap: yeah it was a surprize to be as well20:57
cp16netmoving on20:57
grapexhub_cap: I was momentarily surprised, but am used to constantly learning things late and so quickly got over it and accepted the time as the new reality.20:57
SlickNikhub_cap any updates on next steps for incubation?20:57
hub_capnot yet20:57
cp16netlive in the now20:57
hub_capexactly20:57
SlickNik#topic OpenVZ20:57
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hub_capsry i just gotback from lunch, working on some super secret stuffs ;)20:58
grapexhub_cap: perl rewrite?20:58
imsplitbityay openvz20:58
cp16netgo?20:58
grapexGo... so hot right now. Go.20:58
SlickNikno worries. Just got done with the action items and working through the rest of what looks like last  weeks agenda. :P20:58
imsplitbitcurrently I'm merging in the migration code we wrote internally and will be releasing it into the wild20:58
imsplitbitit's in my public repo20:58
imsplitbithold for link20:58
SlickNikholding.20:59
imsplitbit#link https://github.com/imsplitbit/nova/tree/openvz_support20:59
SlickNikthx20:59
grapeximsplitbit: This needs some ascii art on the README20:59
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hub_cap#agreed20:59
imsplitbitthe code is currently merged in but I need to add more unittests for the migration code20:59
cp16net#agreed with grapex20:59
imsplitbitand then test in my lab20:59
imsplitbitthen add ascii art to the README20:59
imsplitbitshould be done by EOB monday21:00
grapeximsplitbit: So will this code as time goes on need to be constantly kept up to date with Nova trunk?21:00
cp16netok then we can put the stamp of approval on it21:00
imsplitbitgrapex: well I think we just tag releases21:00
grapexI know at one point there was an idea of making it only unique files with a few patches to existing files21:00
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imsplitbitthis one will be for havanna21:00
imsplitbithavana21:00
cp16netimsplitbit: yea that sound like a good idea21:00
imsplitbitI should be able to be backported to grizzly21:01
imsplitbitbut right now it's 100% bleeding edge21:01
cp16netawesome21:01
grapexCool21:01
SlickNikgotcha.21:01
SlickNiknext up21:01
SlickNik#topic Jenkins21:01
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SlickNikThings seem much better in rdJenkins world.21:02
datsun180bIt would seem so, but I'm still keeping an eye on it21:02
grapexDid anything change redstack script or tests related to cause that?21:02
SlickNikMost builds seem to pass, and no more false positive.21:02
SlickNikWell, we nailed down the right regex to use, and Matty made some needed fixes to the Jenkins cloud instance  plugin.21:03
datsun180bI don't know aobut "no more", but it seems they're greatly reduced compared to say two weeks ago21:03
datsun180bBut even last week I had something get thrown to "abandoned" because rdjenkins zapped it and a week passed21:04
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grapexdatsun180b: What day was that?21:04
datsun180bI did notice that rdjenkins stopped working from :8080 and seems to have gone to :8021:04
SlickNikdatsun180b: I haven't seen one in two weeks. If you see one, let me know.21:04
SlickNikIt's only SSL right now.21:04
datsun180bWell I woke it up yesterday, let me find the link21:04
SlickNikSo 443, I believe.21:04
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SlickNik#link https://rdjenkins.dyndns.org21:04
datsun180b#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28061/ for example21:05
datsun180bAll I did was wake it up and it all passed again21:05
datsun180bSo whatever you're feeding jenkins now, keep it up21:06
SlickNikheh, will do21:06
SlickNikanything else Jenkins related?21:06
cp16netsteroids?21:06
SlickNikactually powerthirst.21:07
grapexdatsun180b: So are these failures resize?21:07
SlickNikhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRuNxHqwazs21:07
datsun180bi think it was a failure to upload to glance lacking a table called 'reddwarf'21:07
grapexBecause if not I'd rather not commit to that action item if the issues are not related to the resize tests.21:07
SlickNikoh datsun180b: that was when devstack broke us.21:07
grapexSlickNik: It's got what tests need. :)21:07
datsun180bgotcha, sounds like we found the loose bearing21:07
SlickNikyup, I can send you the patchset that fixed it, fyi.21:08
SlickNikafter the meeting.21:08
datsun180byou know where to find us21:08
SlickNikokay, let's move on.21:08
SlickNikyup!21:08
SlickNik#topic Backup Status21:08
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SlickNikGot a bunch of comments from you guys.21:09
SlickNikWorking on addressing them and uploading a new patchset.21:09
robertmyersmost of mine were just nits, but it looks good21:09
SlickNikSo stay tuned for more on that.21:09
grapexCool21:09
SlickNiknothing more on that.21:09
SlickNik#topic Notification Plan21:10
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SlickNikLet's get robertmyers' patch merged.21:10
robertmyersyes21:10
robertmyersand start talking exist events21:11
juiceworking on getting the exists event stood up for our billing team to test21:11
datsun180bi'll +1 it legit, it's been in an open tab all day21:11
SlickNikyup. thanks robermyers and juice for the awesome work on this.21:11
robertmyersjuice: are you doing a public code or private?21:11
juicepublic21:12
juicejust need to get patch submitted so saurabh can deploy to a test env. here21:12
juiceand then I'll iterate over it to improve21:12
SlickNikI believe the idea is to do something along the lines of the way nova does it.21:12
robertmyersin taskmanager?21:13
SlickNikyes, in taskmanager...21:13
juicetask manager would be the best place to put it21:13
SlickNikjuice?21:13
SlickNikokay any more notifications related info?21:14
SlickNik...21:14
SlickNik#topic Rootwrap21:14
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SlickNikI don't think anyone has looked into this.21:15
datsun180bnot i, said the Datsun21:15
cp16netSlickNik: is there a blueprint on exist events?21:15
cp16netsorry late to that party21:15
SlickNikcp16net: I don't think so. juice?21:15
SlickNikhub_cap: We can haz blu print, plz?21:16
robertmyers#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/reddwarf/+spec/reddwarf-notifications21:16
juicenope21:16
juiceoh wait there is one! ;)21:16
hub_capheh21:16
SlickNikoh, tahnks robertmyers21:16
SlickNikLooks like it's part of the original notifications blue print.21:16
SlickNikSo let's keep on with updating that.21:17
cp16netok21:17
SlickNikAs for the rootwrappah, I think we're gonna pass on that one till we have some more bandwidth to work on it.21:18
SlickNikSo it might be a while before we tackle it.21:18
SlickNikmoving on21:19
SlickNik#topic Actions / Action Events21:19
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SlickNikI believe we de-prioritized that for the moment based on all the actions that came out of incubation...21:21
grapexSlickNik: I think hub_cap has been busy, so no news on that front.21:21
SlickNikyup, that was my understanding.21:21
hub_capdef grapex, no news21:22
SlickNikso that brings us to...21:22
hub_capill be finishing it soon, prolly nxt wk21:22
SlickNik#topic Meeting Time21:22
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datsun180booh ooh21:22
cp16netso....21:22
datsun180bcan we talk about ephemeral storage21:22
esmuteyes21:22
datsun180b1. what is it21:23
cp16net2. make a blueprint?21:23
datsun180b^^21:23
esmutesorry.. i was assumed that it was mentioned last meeting which i didnt attend to21:23
cp16netor let us help you make it :)21:23
datsun180bwe can give you a blank BP if you need it21:23
esmutethere is a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/reddwarf/+bug/117571921:23
esmutewe can convert that bug into a bp if you want21:24
datsun180bPlease do21:24
grapexesmute: I've got a question- how come on the models, we're renaming what is called "ephemeral" by Nova to "storage?": https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28751/3/reddwarf/flavor/models.py21:25
esmutehere in HP we need not only support for Volumes and root partition, which is controlled by the reddwarf_volume_support flag21:25
cp16netesmute: can you use this plz21:26
cp16nethttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/reddwarf/+spec/ephemeral-storage-volume21:26
esmutewe also need to have a support to storing mysql data in ephemeral partitions21:26
esmutegrapex: we thought that the term "ephemeral" maybe too confusing for customer...and we didnt want to use "disk" because it overlapped with the "disk" from nova21:26
esmuteso we decided on "storage"21:27
esmutewill do cp16net21:27
datsun180bSo ephemeral is an alternative to volume or root storage21:27
SlickNikgrapex: also because — like volumes — all of the ephemeral drive will be available as mysql 'storage' for the database instance.21:27
grapexesmute: So this is funny- hub_cap, SlickNik, your thoughts on this might be helpful-21:27
grapexwe originally made Flavors look like Nova flavors on purpose21:27
grapexas a convience to the customers21:27
grapexBut the TC seemed to not like that21:27
grapexhowever, renaming flavor attributes seems confusing to me. Clearly it's a Nova flavor, so why rename the fields?21:27
hub_capi dislike the rename of fields21:28
hub_capmaybe we should have a "moved" and point to the nova install if they try to get flavors21:28
cp16neti dislike change fields purpose21:28
SlickNikI'm not sure I know exactly where I  stand on this one yet.21:29
esmuteso you guys like to leave it as "ephemeral"?21:29
cp16netlike the reddwarf_volume_support was true/false and now you repurpose it to be 3 different values?21:29
grapexI'd prefer to leave it as "ephemeral", but honestly I need to research a bit more on ephemeral flavors before I know what I think.21:29
hub_capso you are mounting something from the host i assume for this?21:29
SlickNikMight need to read up / think a bit more about this one.21:30
esmutecp16net: yes.. because originally, there were only two options.. volumes/root partition21:30
cp16netno it was volumes on or off21:30
esmutenow we wanted to support another option.. ephemeral21:30
esmuteyes..21:30
SlickNikhub_cap: it's auto mounted as vdb when it's part of the flavor.21:30
hub_capwe might want to change this to some sort of strategy21:30
esmutewhen you boot an instance with ephemeral, a new partition is made available..../dev/vdb21:30
grapexesmute: Wouldn't ephmeral just mean the flavor is ephemeral and volume support is off?21:30
hub_capreddwarf.compute.volume.Ephemeral etc etc21:31
esmutewhich can be mounted and used the same way as volume-support21:31
hub_capand it can stay "disk"21:31
datsun180bIt sounds like the scope of ephemeral storage is bigger than our meeting allotment21:31
hub_capu have to ask yourself this21:31
hub_capdoes the customer care whether they get ephemeral or some other "disk"21:31
grapexOk, I get it- the ephmeral part is for the unused disk part of flavors21:31
grapexwhich maybe we now need to be aware of in the Reddwarf API21:31
grapexOk, this is a huge philosophical can of worms. :)21:31
hub_capor is this just for the people that stand up and manage the service21:31
esmutegrapex: no. because originally when you had reddwarf_volume_support ==false, the data was stored in the root partition21:31
hub_capto me, the customer cares about "local" vs "remote"21:32
hub_captechnically the disk _in_ the image is ephemeral right?21:32
datsun180bI'm concerned that they'll see "storage: 0" in a 4G flavor and pick up the big red phone21:32
esmutehub_cap: so you are saying "local" == ephemeral?21:32
hub_capya21:32
cp16nettechinally yes21:32
hub_capwhen u dleete an instance esmute, does it not go away?21:32
hub_capbut the strategy for how your partition it is up to the implementors21:32
hub_capyoure saying u want 2 partitions instead of 121:33
cp16netwell if it reboots it does not disappear21:33
hub_capthats all21:33
hub_capsure nither does the vm cp16net21:33
esmutedo we foresee a case where we would want to store the data in the root partition?21:33
esmuteie /dev/vda21:33
esmutehub_cap: yes to your question21:34
hub_capright what im getting at is21:34
hub_capdoes the customer care21:34
hub_capif they see flavor disk=100 or ephemeral=100 does it make a diff to them21:34
hub_capor do they see disk=100 and the people running it in the background say, lets do a 100g vol called vdb21:34
datsun180bIf I'm reading these changesets right though, if we're not using ephemeral then we're going to see "storage: 0" in our flavors21:35
SlickNikhub_cap: but these are different in nova. And nova flavors expose them separately.21:35
datsun180bconfirm / deny21:35
grapexAny chance we can take this discussion offline?21:35
SlickNikdatsun180b: Yeah, I agree. That's probably a good case for renaming storage to ephemeral.21:36
cp16neti second that21:36
esmutedatsun180b: i am about to change that.. if we are not using ephemeral, we wont display it21:36
hub_capgrapex: +121:36
SlickNikesmute: that is a good solution too.21:36
datsun180bgood to hear on both counts21:36
SlickNikYup ++ to grapex21:36
datsun180bif that's the case I'll scrap these comments21:36
esmuteone question i have21:36
datsun180bga21:36
SlickNikLet's take this offline.21:36
SlickNikLooks like we have some more to discuss here.21:36
datsun180bback to #reddwarf then?21:37
SlickNikSure.21:37
esmutefor you guys, with local storage, it doesnt matter if its stored in root or in ephemeral partition right?21:37
SlickNik#topic Open Discussion.21:37
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esmuteas long as it is "local"21:37
hub_capi like cheese21:38
SlickNikAny other items for discussion?21:38
esmutehub_cap: pepperjack is my fav21:38
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grapexTillamook Smoked Extra Sharp Cheddar21:38
datsun180bcheddar or die21:38
grapexLet's start the academy aware music21:38
grapex*award21:38
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SlickNikWensleydale for the win...21:39
SlickNikokay, sounds good.21:39
cp16neti think we are done.21:39
grapexAlright, this was a good one.21:39
SlickNik#end meeting21:39
hub_capsalty blue cheese FTW21:39
datsun180bthanks everyone21:39
SlickNik#endmeeting21:39
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openstackMeeting ended Tue May 14 21:39:29 2013 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)21:39
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hub_capsorry iw asnt around to start it21:39
grapexThanks SlickNik21:39
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2013/reddwarf.2013-05-14-20.37.txt21:39
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2013/reddwarf.2013-05-14-20.37.log.html21:39
SlickNiknp, hub_cap21:39
grapexSorry we moved it w/o getting the word out enough hub_cap21:39
esp1:)21:40
cp16netyeah you should be sorry grapex21:40
cp16netlol21:40
cp16net:-p21:40
SlickNikheh21:40
SlickNik:P21:40
cp16netpeace out21:40
SlickNikback to #refdwarf21:40
SlickNik#reddwarf21:40
SlickNikeven21:40
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