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| hub_cap | report | 21:03 |
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| djohnstone | here | 21:03 |
| hub_cap | oP | 21:03 |
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| SlickNik | \o | 21:03 |
| juice | here | 21:03 |
| imsplitbit | lets get this party started | 21:03 |
| kagan | aloha | 21:03 |
| datsun180b | here | 21:03 |
| juice | what is \o | 21:03 |
| datsun180b | it's a hand up and a head | 21:03 |
| robertmyers | \o | 21:03 |
| kagan | like /o | 21:03 |
| kagan | but not | 21:03 |
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| juice | \o | 21:03 |
| kagan | \o/ | 21:04 |
| grapex | o/ | 21:04 |
| juice | how cute | 21:04 |
| jcru | o/ | 21:04 |
| hub_cap | #startmeeting reddwarf | 21:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 21 21:04:06 2013 UTC. The chair is hub_cap. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:04 |
| cp16net|away | hai | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 21:04 | |
| amyt | \ o | 21:04 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'reddwarf' | 21:04 |
| datsun180b | supposedly the bot that takes attendance only counts \o | 21:04 |
| hub_cap | lol juice i like datsun180b's the best o7 | 21:04 |
| esp1 | hola | 21:04 |
| grapex | \o | 21:04 |
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| imsplitbit | \o | 21:04 |
| datsun180b | o7 is a salute of course | 21:04 |
| imsplitbit | ha a salute | 21:04 |
| juice | awesome | 21:04 |
| SlickNik | o/ | 21:04 |
| hub_cap | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/RedDwarfMeeting | 21:04 |
| imsplitbit | I don't salute you hub_cap | 21:04 |
| hub_cap | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2013/reddwarf.2013-05-14-20.37.html | 21:04 |
| hub_cap | imsplitbit: sure u do | 21:04 |
| juice | feisty crowd today | 21:04 |
| cp16net | 7o | 21:05 |
| cp16net | heh | 21:05 |
| hub_cap | #topic Action Items | 21:05 |
| esmute | \o/ | 21:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Items (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 21:05 | |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: archiving logs for jenkins | 21:05 |
| * esmute is yawning | 21:05 | |
| SlickNik | So first one's mine | 21:05 |
| SlickNik | Haven't had a chance to look into that one yet. | 21:06 |
| SlickNik | And probably won't for another week. :( | 21:06 |
| hub_cap | k. is there someone else who u can give it to? | 21:06 |
| hub_cap | cuz its super frustrating | 21:06 |
| cp16net | #agreed | 21:07 |
| SlickNik | Anyone want to volunteer? | 21:07 |
| SlickNik | (hp folks?) | 21:07 |
| juice | I would but I have enough on my plate | 21:07 |
| * esmute steps forward | 21:07 | |
| SlickNik | I'll see what I can do to get something moving on that front. | 21:08 |
| hub_cap | so they would have to scp the logs back to jenkins and then archive them eh? | 21:08 |
| esmute | just tell me what to do and ill be a good minion | 21:08 |
| datsun180b | Why not compress first and then offload, save some bandwidth | 21:08 |
| hub_cap | heh esmute nice | 21:08 |
| hub_cap | datsun180b: well ya fo sure | 21:08 |
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| SlickNik | #action esmute work with SlickNik to figure out the archiving of the reddwarf logs for rdjenkins jobs. | 21:09 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: u have the 2nd one too but i dont exactly understand it heh | 21:09 |
| SlickNik | Ah, I looked into that. | 21:09 |
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| hub_cap | okey sup | 21:09 |
| SlickNik | And had a short conversation with mordred regarding it. | 21:09 |
| SlickNik | Basically the idea is to move to a state where we don't have rdjenkins. | 21:09 |
| SlickNik | And have openstack CI running our integration tests for us as well. | 21:10 |
| hub_cap | cool. i think that state also involves a lot of other states | 21:10 |
| hub_cap | its like a whole country | 21:10 |
| SlickNik | yup. :) | 21:10 |
| SlickNik | The first step is to have this patch land. | 21:10 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/23999/ | 21:10 |
| hub_cap | we need to line up what is devstack and what is redstack.. there is a lot of "stuff" in redstack | 21:10 |
| hub_cap | id prefer to not have it call our stuff eventually too | 21:11 |
| hub_cap | but thats a whole nutha can-O-worms | 21:11 |
| SlickNik | basically mordred is putting in hooks from devstack-vm-gate that we can use to run our stuff from redstack. | 21:12 |
| hub_cap | ya | 21:12 |
| hub_cap | i figured thatd be the case, but thats a whole conversation id like to have eventualy about why we have all the setup outside of devstack | 21:12 |
| SlickNik | My thinking was that we start of this way and then make smaller patches to get our stuff integrated. | 21:12 |
| hub_cap | we do a lot of things like add users, for example | 21:12 |
| hub_cap | sure def | 21:12 |
| SlickNik | Yup me too. | 21:12 |
| hub_cap | adding users for tests, frankly, should be in tests that need those users | 21:12 |
| hub_cap | and the whole apt repo thing, that needs to go away too | 21:13 |
| hub_cap | heat will help w/ that | 21:13 |
| hub_cap | heat integration, that is... | 21:13 |
| hub_cap | anyhoo, rabbit hole quickly falling down, #movingon | 21:13 |
| SlickNik | agreed. | 21:13 |
| hub_cap | grapex: your next | 21:13 |
| hub_cap | did u talk to tempest guys to see if there is a resize issue? | 21:13 |
| grapex | hub_cap: I cancelled this before the end of last meeting | 21:13 |
| grapex | as the resize time was said to not be an issue | 21:13 |
| hub_cap | Oh okey hehe | 21:13 |
| hub_cap | word | 21:14 |
| hub_cap | i think the issue mightve been caused by me | 21:14 |
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| hub_cap | i had a similar issue | 21:14 |
| hub_cap | cuz i was trying to use more memory than was avail on the host | 21:14 |
| hub_cap | but that was manual resizes | 21:14 |
| hub_cap | so no telling if that was the same case | 21:14 |
| grapex | We made that action item because there were rumors the resize time was killing rdjenkins | 21:14 |
| hub_cap | ok so moving on | 21:14 |
| hub_cap | ya? | 21:15 |
| grapex | and then before the end of the meeting everyone agreed that wasn't really the problem | 21:15 |
| grapex | that's all. :) | 21:15 |
| SlickNik | yeah, sounds good. | 21:15 |
| hub_cap | cool | 21:15 |
| hub_cap | #topic Voting rules and regulations | 21:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Voting rules and regulations (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 21:15 | |
| hub_cap | so im going ot do a poll just like the polls the openstack community uses | 21:15 |
| hub_cap | the Pick Three, assign weight, voting | 21:15 |
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| hub_cap | #link http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/civs/ | 21:15 |
| yidclare | I like it | 21:15 |
| datsun180b | i'm for it | 21:16 |
| esp1 | hub_cap: can we do a practice run first? | 21:16 |
| SlickNik | ++ | 21:16 |
| hub_cap | define practice run | 21:16 |
| SlickNik | to instant runoff | 21:16 |
| juice | VaaS nice | 21:16 |
| esp1 | hub_cap: just messing with you. lets vote. | 21:16 |
| hub_cap | DORK esp1 ;) | 21:16 |
| hub_cap | #link https://gist.github.com/hub-cap/5622714 | 21:16 |
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| hub_cap | list of names so far | 21:16 |
| hub_cap | #link https://gist.github.com/hub-cap/5622594 | 21:17 |
| hub_cap | list of addresses to send to | 21:17 |
| hub_cap | only problem is | 21:17 |
| datsun180b | It's done via email isn't it? | 21:17 |
| hub_cap | yes datsun180b | 21:17 |
| datsun180b | I feel sorry for your inbox | 21:17 |
| hub_cap | vipul is not around to vote. we can wait till next friday to vote (not this friday, but th 31st) | 21:17 |
| hub_cap | but if the group says no, then we will do now | 21:17 |
| juice | well let's see where we get and if it's close he can break the tie | 21:18 |
| imsplitbit | how critical is the name change? | 21:18 |
| hub_cap | the vote results will be submitted to the openstack foundation for vetting | 21:18 |
| hub_cap | juice: ok | 21:18 |
| esp1 | #link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seshat | 21:18 |
| imsplitbit | good idea juice | 21:18 |
| hub_cap | imsplitbit: we cant move to openstack github group till we change it | 21:18 |
| juice | so critical | 21:18 |
| juice | let's do it | 21:18 |
| imsplitbit | esp1: that name just has some um... soiling implications | 21:18 |
| hub_cap | ya ps the TC guys didnt like rover ;) | 21:19 |
| SlickNik | lol@imsplitbit | 21:19 |
| datsun180b | it's "Say-shot" you goon | 21:19 |
| esp1 | imsplitbit: haha, yeah I was kinda wondering what the long term implications might be. | 21:19 |
| datsun180b | Ask ceilometer how they deal with it | 21:19 |
| hub_cap | datsun180b: sry man, its hard to say... imagine all the people mispronouncing it | 21:19 |
| imsplitbit | datsun180b: sure, but I see it and think "SHE DID WHAT????" | 21:19 |
| imsplitbit | :-) | 21:20 |
| hub_cap | datsun180b: they dont, the people saying it feel dumb after they hear it correctly | 21:20 |
| juice | hub_cap - you need our emails? | 21:20 |
| hub_cap | juice: SlickNik is hookin me up | 21:20 |
| datsun180b | note to self: deliberately pronounce every ambiguous word incorrectly | 21:20 |
| juice | we can run the meeting while you guys setup the voting stuff | 21:20 |
| juice | what's next? | 21:20 |
| hub_cap | heh | 21:20 |
| hub_cap | #topic New Meeting Time | 21:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New Meeting Time (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 21:21 | |
| imsplitbit | oooo | 21:21 |
| hub_cap | this one should also be fun | 21:21 |
| imsplitbit | I thought we were gonna do 33o | 21:21 |
| kagan | +1 datsun180b | 21:21 |
| imsplitbit | 330 | 21:21 |
| imsplitbit | cst | 21:21 |
| hub_cap | that doesnt help me | 21:21 |
| juice | so selfish | 21:21 |
| juice | :) | 21:21 |
| hub_cap | i have a 4cst and a 5cst meeting for the ptls | 21:21 |
| hub_cap | juice: ya reddwarf doesnt need any representation in the TC meeting ;) | 21:22 |
| juice | how about early after our standup | 21:22 |
| imsplitbit | sounds like they have too many ptl meetings | 21:22 |
| juice | 11:00 pst/1cst | 21:22 |
| imsplitbit | I vote 830 cst | 21:22 |
| imsplitbit | :-) | 21:22 |
| kagan | how about a different day ?? | 21:22 |
| robertmyers | ha | 21:22 |
| hub_cap | imsplitbit: your vote doesnt count | 21:22 |
| imsplitbit | lol | 21:22 |
| hub_cap | OUR guys cant get in at 830 cst | 21:22 |
| imsplitbit | lol | 21:22 |
| hub_cap | kagan: yes plz | 21:23 |
| imsplitbit | theres a couple that are in at that time | 21:23 |
| juice | any day but friday and monday | 21:23 |
| imsplitbit | I don't really care about the time so long as it's not past 4 cst | 21:23 |
| hub_cap | so ill do this. there is a tool for picking days/times, like a voting tool | 21:23 |
| datsun180b | Whatever's decided, I don't want anything on monday before noon central or anything on friday after 3 central | 21:23 |
| juice | although monday might not be a bad idea | 21:23 |
| hub_cap | ill organize that and send it out | 21:23 |
| juice | set the stage for the week | 21:23 |
| imsplitbit | juice: I'm a big fan of knocking all meetings out on mondays | 21:24 |
| robertmyers | monday is a bad day, as there are usually holidays | 21:24 |
| imsplitbit | lets you have the rest of your week to get real work done | 21:24 |
| juice | good point | 21:24 |
| yidclare | yeah - I think you might be looking at Wednesdays if you change the day | 21:24 |
| kagan | how about same time on Wed? | 21:24 |
| hub_cap | ya and monday/friday are when people take "extra" days off | 21:24 |
| hub_cap | i vote to _not_ have it at 2/4 | 21:24 |
| juice | wednesday then | 21:24 |
| hub_cap | its not terribly fair to the CST'ers | 21:24 |
| SlickNik | hub_cap: is there an openstack specific tool? | 21:25 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: nope | 21:25 |
| datsun180b | We're two hours apart, right? | 21:25 |
| hub_cap | but there is a voting-esque tool | 21:25 |
| juice | yep | 21:25 |
| hub_cap | datsun180b: always | 21:25 |
| SlickNik | http://doodle.com/ is pretty good at helping with picking a time. | 21:25 |
| kagan | no, hub_cap, not on mondays ... | 21:25 |
| juice | then 11 pst/13cst it is | 21:25 |
| datsun180b | What if we figure for Wednesday, 11:00/1:00 | 21:25 |
| juice | I'm with datsun180b | 21:25 |
| juice | next | 21:25 |
| robertmyers | datsun180b: +1 | 21:25 |
| datsun180b | so it's on either end of lunch for both sides | 21:25 |
| amyt | hub_cap: if you do wed, would that help with giving us feedback from the tc mtgs? | 21:26 |
| hub_cap | kagan: i said thats when people take days off... i didnt say yes monday ;) | 21:26 |
| datsun180b | right in the middle of the day in the middle of the week | 21:26 |
| hub_cap | amyt: ya def | 21:26 |
| kagan | i meant regarding not being 2 hours apart on Mondays ... | 21:26 |
| amyt | how about earlier on wed to give people more time to "catch up" before the week ends? | 21:27 |
| hub_cap | so tahts wed 22 utc? | 21:27 |
| SlickNik | datsun180b: ++ | 21:27 |
| hub_cap | nm thats not 2200 | 21:27 |
| hub_cap | let me see | 21:27 |
| datsun180b | and both sides are motivated to keep the meeting from clobbering lunch, and keeping lunch from clobbering the meeting | 21:27 |
| juice | amyt: i don't think that would work out great | 21:27 |
| amyt | juice: yea i forgot about the lunch thing. i GUESS we have to eat | 21:28 |
| juice | I think 11:00 is the most practical time from an hp perspective | 21:28 |
| hub_cap | 1900 | 21:28 |
| hub_cap | swift is at 1900 | 21:28 |
| hub_cap | but thats ok | 21:28 |
| amyt | is that.. 11 am ct? | 21:28 |
| datsun180b | and we'll all be here at 1:00 our time | 21:28 |
| juice | 1900! yowzers | 21:28 |
| datsun180b | amyt: 11am Pacific, 1pm Central | 21:28 |
| juice | amyt that is 13:00 cst (1 pm) | 21:28 |
| notmyname | swift is 1900utc on wednesdays (every other wednesday, currently) | 21:29 |
| juice | what datsun180b said | 21:29 |
| amyt | gotcha, thanks guys :) | 21:29 |
| SlickNik | hub_cap: with PDT, 11PDT would be 1800UTC | 21:29 |
| hub_cap | ok crap pdt heh | 21:29 |
| datsun180b | to be fair juice suggested it moments before i did | 21:29 |
| hub_cap | so we do understand | 21:29 |
| hub_cap | that when we go off dst | 21:29 |
| hub_cap | our meeting changes by 1 hr | 21:29 |
| hub_cap | thats during moniker | 21:30 |
| robertmyers | can we just change it then? | 21:30 |
| hub_cap | not if we have other teams working w/ us | 21:30 |
| hub_cap | none of the other projects change | 21:30 |
| hub_cap | its somewhat disruptive to people in otehr countries persay | 21:30 |
| hub_cap | so it goes to 12pst/2cst | 21:31 |
| SlickNik | so if we move off dst: we become 10PST / 12CST | 21:31 |
| datsun180b | wuh oh, grapex might have a collision with 1pm | 21:31 |
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| hub_cap | doh i suck | 21:31 |
| grapex | datsun180b: That's ok | 21:31 |
| datsun180b | just looking out for you | 21:31 |
| grapex | datsun180b: Thanks man | 21:31 |
| hub_cap | sound good then? | 21:31 |
| grapex | but if that time works I'm ok with it | 21:31 |
| hub_cap | 1800 utc? | 21:32 |
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| datsun180b | what is that in Earth time | 21:32 |
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| hub_cap | we can always try to move it later grapex | 21:32 |
| grapex | hub_cap: Speak 'Merican | 21:32 |
| SlickNik | We've got daily stand up at 10 in the morning here. | 21:32 |
| datsun180b | I don't want to have to coordinate this time with the whole universe | 21:32 |
| grapex | hub_cap: 2:00 Wednesday would be the best. But it would cut into lunch I imagine | 21:32 |
| grapex | 1:00 is fine if that works. | 21:32 |
| hub_cap | grapex: but it wont always be that | 21:33 |
| hub_cap | itll go from 2pm to 1pm because of dst | 21:33 |
| grapex | hub_cap: Argh | 21:33 |
| juice | maybe we can take this offline | 21:33 |
| cp16net | we change with dst | 21:33 |
| hub_cap | juice: prolly a good idea | 21:33 |
| SlickNik | yeah, I think we need to take this offline. | 21:33 |
| juice | someone work out the kinks and get back to us with a couple of options | 21:34 |
| grapex | hub_cap: Ok, that changes things. :( | 21:34 |
| datsun180b | well that won't be for months, which i think should be enough time to reevaluate the meeting time | 21:34 |
| hub_cap | lets get together during the meeting time weve designated tomorrow | 21:34 |
| kagan | how about we do our standup at 11 that day ? | 21:34 |
| hub_cap | and discuss | 21:34 |
| hub_cap | :) | 21:34 |
| juice | damn the pseudoephedrine is kicking in | 21:34 |
| SlickNik | lol@hub_cap | 21:34 |
| hub_cap | moving on | 21:34 |
| SlickNik | hang in there, juice | 21:35 |
| hub_cap | #topic Backups | 21:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Backups (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 21:35 | |
| SlickNik | done! | 21:35 |
| hub_cap | nice | 21:35 |
| hub_cap | moving on | 21:35 |
| * juice cheers | 21:35 | |
| kagan | cheers! | 21:35 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: are they merged? | 21:35 |
| esmute | halleluya | 21:35 |
| juice | you did it wrong kagan ;) | 21:35 |
| * hub_cap laughs at juice | 21:35 | |
| kagan | meaning second ? | 21:35 |
| hub_cap | /me cheers | 21:36 |
| SlickNik | yes, they are. Thanks for all the good work everyone! | 21:36 |
| hub_cap | sweet perfect | 21:36 |
| hub_cap | #topic Notifications | 21:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Notifications (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 21:36 | |
| SlickNik | That's merged too. | 21:36 |
| * robertmyers cheers | 21:36 | |
| hub_cap | well we still need the hourly right? | 21:36 |
| hub_cap | exists | 21:36 |
| hub_cap | err *daily* | 21:36 |
| juice | well not completely done on my end | 21:36 |
| SlickNik | Juice was working on that one | 21:36 |
| hub_cap | right | 21:36 |
| SlickNik | juice even* | 21:36 |
| juice | there's a bunch of crap they want but we are pushing back on it | 21:36 |
| juice | they want some stuff out of nova that I just don't think we can do now | 21:37 |
| juice | other than that I think it's oke | 21:37 |
| robertmyers | seems kind of silly to duplicate all of nova exist events | 21:37 |
| robertmyers | since they can just use them | 21:38 |
| juice | robertmyers: agree | 21:38 |
| SlickNik | robertmyers: ++ | 21:38 |
| juice | they should be aggregating this stuff on instance id's et | 21:38 |
| juice | tc | 21:38 |
| hub_cap | well exists nova != exists reddwarf tho right? | 21:38 |
| hub_cap | what if mysql has been offline for 24hrs | 21:38 |
| SlickNik | hub_cap: that is true. | 21:38 |
| juice | true but they have the details if the instance is up | 21:38 |
| hub_cap | but compute has been hummin that entire time | 21:38 |
| hub_cap | sure the nova compute instance is up | 21:39 |
| SlickNik | + there are periods of time where instance is up and not usable. | 21:39 |
| hub_cap | but to me that doenst mean jack | 21:39 |
| SlickNik | not usable = mysql is not up for whatever reason. | 21:39 |
| hub_cap | right | 21:39 |
| juice | what I was saying is that the can create a composite set of info IF we tell them mysql is also up. We don't need to repeat the base nova info | 21:39 |
| hub_cap | and does that "exist" if mysql is not up? | 21:39 |
| juice | we don't send exists if mysql is down | 21:40 |
| juice | we only send exists if mysql is up :) | 21:40 |
| hub_cap | ok i guess im a bit confused... yall can work it out | 21:40 |
| hub_cap | :P | 21:40 |
| hub_cap | i thought u said we werent gonna send exists cuz nova does already but that sounds like its not the case | 21:41 |
| juice | no there was just some extra info that nova has that we don't | 21:41 |
| hub_cap | AHH ic | 21:41 |
| hub_cap | cool | 21:41 |
| juice | so my argument was why do we also have to send it | 21:41 |
| SlickNik | hub_cap: we need exist events because of nova != reddwarf. But we don't want to send duplicate nova info in our events. | 21:41 |
| robertmyers | maybe we just need a hook to optionally run exist evetns | 21:41 |
| SlickNik | robertmyers: that is the plan. | 21:42 |
| juice | it will be a conf flag so you can turn it off | 21:42 |
| juice | we are using it so that if multiple ™ are running only one sends it | 21:42 |
| juice | ™ = taskmanager | 21:42 |
| hub_cap | ic what u all mean now. perfect | 21:43 |
| juice | okie | 21:43 |
| juice | good that's all cleared | 21:43 |
| * juice sips his coffee | 21:43 | |
| hub_cap | juice: yup great | 21:43 |
| hub_cap | moving on | 21:43 |
| hub_cap | what is API Validation? | 21:44 |
| hub_cap | do we need to cover it? | 21:44 |
| juice | that one is me | 21:44 |
| hub_cap | ok | 21:44 |
| datsun180b | I bet it's about the username/database name evaluation | 21:44 |
| hub_cap | #topic API Validation | 21:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API Validation (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 21:44 | |
| juice | I do need to ask you guys a few qestionss | 21:44 |
| hub_cap | shoot | 21:44 |
| SlickNik | go for it | 21:44 |
| juice | so our sec folks say we need to clamp down on the data coming it at all levels but are ok with focusing on api for now | 21:44 |
| juice | so I was looking at schemes for validating field length, type, etc | 21:45 |
| datsun180b | relevant to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28850/ or a more general approach? | 21:45 |
| juice | I found the validator in nova that seems like it would do that trick and we can just plug it into paste | 21:45 |
| grapex | juice: Is this the idea of validating everything according to a JSON or XML schema? | 21:45 |
| cp16net | good luck validating json to a schema | 21:46 |
| juice | datsun180b - they want us to do it across all requests on on fields | 21:46 |
| hub_cap | juice: we shodul adopt http://json-schema.org/example2.html | 21:46 |
| SlickNik | datsun180b: I think a more general approach across the API - not just database name | 21:46 |
| juice | grapex: i was thinking that but have since let that go | 21:46 |
| datsun180b | Probably a good idea to attack it broadly instead of piecemeal | 21:46 |
| grapex | How's the Nova validator work? | 21:46 |
| grapex | juice: ^^ | 21:46 |
| juice | grapex: they have a validator class that you specify the rules. then they run the request from the context through that | 21:47 |
| juice | so you are specifying the schema in python | 21:47 |
| hub_cap | json schema! | 21:47 |
| juice | this is consistent with another approach I found which is called schematics | 21:47 |
| juice | no not json | 21:47 |
| grapex | juice: Is this schema some custom thing they made up? | 21:47 |
| grapex | Does the same schema work for JSON and XML? | 21:48 |
| hub_cap | #link http://json-schema.org/ | 21:48 |
| juice | I believe so | 21:48 |
| juice | it is agnostic since the response has been parsed by that point | 21:48 |
| cp16net | its using that special xml definition | 21:48 |
| juice | so I think it something like a dict or kwargs or something | 21:48 |
| juice | let me send you a link to the class | 21:48 |
| grapex | Here's another thing to consider... it's selfish, but we use Repose. I feel like if used generic things like JSON and XML schemas, we could use that with Repose. People creating client libraries could also reuse them. | 21:48 |
| SlickNik | Yes, juice a link would be helpful. thanks! | 21:49 |
| hub_cap | we cant say that grapex :( | 21:49 |
| hub_cap | repose is _not_ openstack compatible | 21:49 |
| grapex | hub_cap: Yes, but json and xml schemas are open source compatable. ;) | 21:49 |
| hub_cap | for sure | 21:49 |
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| hub_cap | ok so do we have any resolution on this? | 21:50 |
| juice | #link https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/ec2/__init__.py | 21:50 |
| grapex | I mean I'll give this thing in Nova a fair shake, but if its 100% custom its worth thinking about if it's a worthwhile approach. If the idea is to validate all input and output I'm sure there's existing tools and libs out there in Python, not Repose, that would also work on typical schemas. | 21:50 |
| juice | grapex: we just need input validation | 21:51 |
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| juice | grapex: feel free to take a look at the python space for libs. the best I found was schematics | 21:51 |
| hub_cap | there is not much | 21:51 |
| grapex | juice: Ok. | 21:51 |
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| cp16net | lol | 21:51 |
| hub_cap | validation is not terribly pythonic it seems ;) | 21:51 |
| juice | #link https://github.com/j2labs/schematics | 21:51 |
| esmute | not to hijack this topic but i think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28850/ is related to this | 21:51 |
| grapex | hub_cap: *sigh* | 21:51 |
| cp16net | yeah its not so much | 21:51 |
| hub_cap | #link https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/master/glance/api/v2/images.py#L205 | 21:52 |
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| hub_cap | by the time it reaches us we can validate w/ json schema id guess | 21:53 |
| esmute | we can talk about this later in another topic or right now | 21:53 |
| hub_cap | good call esmute | 21:53 |
| hub_cap | moving on | 21:53 |
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| hub_cap | #topic open discussion | 21:53 |
| juice | thanks please get back to me in the reddwarf if you want any input on this | 21:53 |
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| hub_cap | juice: ya lets chat after | 21:53 |
| grapex | hub_cap: The glance thing looks pretty good, seems to support a standard, though its just JSON | 21:54 |
| grapex | Something to note, we transform XML stuff into dictionaries | 21:54 |
| esmute | i want to talk about ephemeral drive | 21:55 |
| grapex | which means we could probably run it through the JSON schema at that point | 21:55 |
| hub_cap | grapex: sure but by the tiem its gets to us its dict's | 21:55 |
| hub_cap | exactly | 21:55 |
| imsplitbit | I can't wait for the day when we say "we support xml" and the world snickers and says "who still does that anymore???" | 21:55 |
| hub_cap | it just means we could have a delta between what our xml "says" and "does" | 21:55 |
| hub_cap | esmute: chat away | 21:55 |
| hub_cap | grapex: https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/master/glance/api/v2/images.py#L482 | 21:56 |
| esmute | hub_cap: I have incorporated your suggestion, which is using the same exisiting flags to determining ephemeral support | 21:56 |
| * SlickNik can hear esmute typing away | 21:56 | |
| juice | whens the vote? | 21:56 |
| imsplitbit | yeah I'm waiting for my vote email | 21:56 |
| SlickNik | juice: what vote? | 21:56 |
| esmute | a pull requests is already up for review.. Im expecting robots to like it | 21:56 |
| esmute | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28857/ | 21:56 |
| juice | umm name vote? | 21:57 |
| grapex | hub_cap: The glance stuff looks pretty cool. | 21:57 |
| esmute | hub_cap, please review when you can | 21:57 |
| hub_cap | brb its my turn in opesntack-meeting | 21:57 |
| cp16net | imsplitbit: at least xml you can "validate" | 21:57 |
| robertmyers | I vote for 'thrift' just to piss everyone off | 21:58 |
| imsplitbit | there are different philosophies on *where* one should do validation | 21:58 |
| juice | should we stick a fork in this meeting? | 21:58 |
| juice | oh still talking balidation great | 21:58 |
| SlickNik | There was one quick thing I wanted to bring up. | 21:58 |
| cp16net | its so juicey in here tho | 21:58 |
| cp16net | :-P | 21:58 |
| esmute | we need to decide on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28850/ | 21:58 |
| SlickNik | During the backup reviews, there was some confusion about line continuations. | 21:58 |
| juice | my concern over validating on the payload is that we have to put schema into two different formats | 21:58 |
| grapex | esmute: Looks like datsun180b had some comments on it. | 21:58 |
| juice | so I though waiting for it to be parsed into something neutral will create a single checkpoint | 21:59 |
| SlickNik | and whether to use "\" or implicit continuation using parentheses. | 21:59 |
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| esmute | grapex: just wanted to clarify.. So no validation on the DB name? | 21:59 |
| datsun180b | I did. The API still uses the guest agent's models to do some output validation, and those will kill responses that contain goofy but extant databases | 21:59 |
| grapex | juice: That's fair. I think the json_schema code in Glance can be used from XML as well, since the XML code turns stuff into tables | 21:59 |
| grapex | esmute: What datsun180b just said. | 21:59 |
| SlickNik | Yeah, so the PEP8 spec favors implicit continuations using parens. | 21:59 |
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| SlickNik | And it does seem a little cleaner. | 21:59 |
| datsun180b | SlickNik: it does so very clearly | 21:59 |
| grapex | SlickNik: So here's what I think about "\"... I don't know why the language includes if it shouldn't be used. | 22:00 |
| grapex | datsun180b and I have disagreed on this in the past... :) I'll go either way though as I don't care too much | 22:00 |
| esmute | datsun180b: I can remove that validatation from the guest agent. But not sure what you meant by removing it from the API | 22:00 |
| grapex | I just don't think it's worth holding up pull requests over. | 22:00 |
| datsun180b | Now remember that while PEP8 is prescriptive, it does also say never to sacrifice readability for the sake of blindly following the rules | 22:00 |
| datsun180b | that's rule 0 | 22:00 |
| datsun180b | esmute: side convo | 22:01 |
| robertmyers | datsun180b: I'm with you | 22:01 |
| SlickNik | grapex: PEP 8 allows for "\", just prefers the implicit line continuations using parens. | 22:01 |
| hub_cap | woo gave the first offical project status for the project status meeeting :) | 22:01 |
| grapex | esmute: The problem is, on the way back from a read operation, validation occurs and crashes the call right? So we're just saying to remove it from the Reddwarf server side as well. | 22:01 |
| juice | grapex: I haven't looked at the glance validation. so that is something good for me to examine | 22:01 |
| SlickNik | hub_cap: nice! | 22:01 |
| hub_cap | the json schema stuff is the bomb | 22:01 |
| juice | hub_cap: was there any hazing involved? | 22:01 |
| SlickNik | grapex ++ | 22:01 |
| hub_cap | it even gives generated json schema files, which we can integrate after the fact | 22:01 |
| hub_cap | juice: nope! just had to do it fast | 22:02 |
| hub_cap | cuz it was at the VERY end | 22:02 |
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| hub_cap | jsonschema FTW PLZ juice grapex | 22:02 |
| juice | cereals? | 22:02 |
| hub_cap | give it serious consideration. its free validation | 22:02 |
| juice | ok | 22:02 |
| hub_cap | and free schema generation (ie no more wadl) | 22:02 |
| datsun180b | in general you're also free to happily ignore my style nitpicks fyi | 22:03 |
| datsun180b | i won't hold up code that's clear and correct | 22:03 |
| SlickNik | datsun180b: I was actually glad you mentioned it, since I learned something new. | 22:03 |
| SlickNik | but just wanted to bring it up so that we're not holding up reviews because of it. | 22:04 |
| juice | hub_cap: will take a look at jsonschema. I don't have a strong opinion on this. you all have been simmering in this stuff for much longer so if you feel strongly about jsonschema then we can roll with that | 22:04 |
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| datsun180b | right, i understand some IDEs like to make some silly decisions when making the code compliant with pep8 (and not PEP8) | 22:04 |
| SlickNik | So please feel free to leave style comments if you'd like but don't let those turn your +1's into −1's. | 22:04 |
| datsun180b | personally I don't like pep8 because it's mechanical and has no sense of style | 22:04 |
| juice | of course as I dig in and try to implement it and it turns out troublesome I'll let you know | 22:04 |
| datsun180b | will do moving forward | 22:04 |
| juice | datsun180b ++++! | 22:05 |
| juice | ++++1 | 22:05 |
| datsun180b | pep8 can be gamed. i'm harder to compromise | 22:05 |
| juice | ha :) | 22:05 |
| hub_cap | juice: i do ;) | 22:05 |
| grapex | datsun180b: Every man has his price Ed. Even you!! | 22:05 |
| hub_cap | ok we are 5min over | 22:05 |
| datsun180b | protip: gummy worms | 22:06 |
| hub_cap | can i call it | 22:06 |
| imsplitbit | okie | 22:06 |
| imsplitbit | done | 22:06 |
| datsun180b | call it, doc | 22:06 |
| hub_cap | and move to #reddwarf | 22:06 |
| hub_cap | #endmeeting | 22:06 |
| SlickNik | datsun180b: I don't agree with all of its rules, but in general following its spirit does tend to make the code more readable. | 22:06 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 21 22:06:21 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2013/reddwarf.2013-05-21-21.04.html | 22:06 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2013/reddwarf.2013-05-21-21.04.txt | 22:06 |
| grapex | o\ | 22:06 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2013/reddwarf.2013-05-21-21.04.log.html | 22:06 |
| datsun180b | SlickNik: difference between PEP8 and pep8 | 22:06 |
| hub_cap | and PEPE | 22:06 |
| datsun180b | pep8 is software, PEP8 is a document | 22:06 |
| SlickNik | ah, I see your point. | 22:07 |
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| SlickNik | I was talking of PEP8 :) | 22:07 |
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