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| juice | do we have enough people for a quorum? | 20:08 |
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| datsun180b | i don't think so, discussion in #reddwarf is we're doing this in an hour instead | 20:09 |
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| datsun180b | i'm not certain if the 1/3 move was a one-time thing, or temporary, or what, but i think it's worth discussing when we do convene so we don't have to wonder | 20:09 |
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| vipul | it's that time.. who's here? | 21:01 |
| imsplitbit | o/ | 21:01 |
| imsplitbit | i cant be the only one | 21:02 |
| grapex | o/ | 21:02 |
| robertmyers | o/ | 21:02 |
| cp16net | i'm here for a little bit | 21:02 |
| imsplitbit | got a hot date? | 21:03 |
| juice | o/ | 21:03 |
| imsplitbit | :-) | 21:03 |
| datsun180b | oh i'm here | 21:03 |
| jcru | o/ | 21:03 |
| vipul | we've got a bunch of slackers here at HP :p | 21:03 |
| vipul | #startmeeting reddwarf | 21:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 4 21:04:18 2013 UTC. The chair is vipul. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:04 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 21:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'reddwarf' | 21:04 |
| vipul | #topic action items | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 21:04 | |
| vipul | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2013/reddwarf.2013-05-21-21.04.html | 21:04 |
| vipul | I missed this meeting, but looks like we didn't how a whole to actioned | 21:04 |
| vipul | ugh can't type | 21:05 |
| vipul | whole lot actioned | 21:05 |
| vipul | esmute: any update on log archiving rdjenkins? | 21:05 |
| grapex | vipul: Wow that is a seriously show list of action items | 21:05 |
| grapex | *short | 21:05 |
| imsplitbit | grapex: we're all done | 21:05 |
| imsplitbit | :) | 21:06 |
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| grapex | Great meeting everyone! | 21:06 |
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| datsun180b | A new record! | 21:06 |
| esmute | vipul: Havent got on it yet :-( | 21:06 |
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| vipul | #action esmute to work with SlickNik to get rdjenkins logs archived | 21:06 |
| esp | hey | 21:07 |
| esp | did I miss it? | 21:07 |
| vipul | straggler | 21:07 |
| esmute | I guess i will have to give that task back to SlickNik | 21:07 |
| vipul | #topic Next meeting time | 21:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Next meeting time (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 21:07 | |
| vipul | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/RedDwarfMeeting | 21:07 |
| vipul | agenda ^^ | 21:07 |
| vipul | Ok, it seems like we want to discuss an alternate meeting time? | 21:07 |
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| datsun180b | so we're solid that we're meeting at 2pdt/4cdt? | 21:08 |
| imsplitbit | WEWT! | 21:08 |
| imsplitbit | are we solid on that time? | 21:08 |
| imsplitbit | I don't remember what times were discussed | 21:08 |
| vipul | are folks ok with this time? | 21:08 |
| juice | 11/1 | 21:08 |
| vipul | or we we want to change it | 21:08 |
| grapex | Originally we wanted to move the time to earlier | 21:08 |
| grapex | For everyone in CDT | 21:08 |
| juice | 1/3 | 21:08 |
| cp16net | yeah | 21:08 |
| datsun180b | that's what i want to know, there was some confusion | 21:08 |
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| cp16net | that would be nice | 21:09 |
| imsplitbit | yeah I think juice had it 11/1 | 21:09 |
| grapex | but the issue is hub_cap has conflicts with that an OpenStack meetings | 21:09 |
| hub_cap | heyo | 21:09 |
| imsplitbit | oh | 21:09 |
| imsplitbit | who's hub_cap? | 21:09 |
| vipul | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings | 21:09 |
| hub_cap | imma create a doodle | 21:09 |
| juice | that's about the only time slots that would realistically work | 21:09 |
| hub_cap | http://www.doodle.com/ | 21:09 |
| vipul | do we wanna pick another day? | 21:09 |
| hub_cap | #action hub_cap to create a doodle for meeting times (http://www.doodle.com/) | 21:09 |
| hub_cap | yes vipul | 21:09 |
| hub_cap | ill doodle up some times | 21:09 |
| vipul | nice | 21:09 |
| imsplitbit | doodle away | 21:10 |
| vipul | #topic Backup Validation | 21:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Backup Validation (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 21:10 | |
| juice | we have stand ups at 10:30 pst | 21:10 |
| hub_cap | ok juice i wont put it around that time | 21:10 |
| juice | backup validation did we kill this one earlier | 21:10 |
| imsplitbit | I'm fine with 5am/7am | 21:10 |
| imsplitbit | :) | 21:10 |
| vipul | you might be the only one here :) | 21:11 |
| juice | backup validation - store disk util in reddwarf | 21:11 |
| juice | validate volume size is equal to or greater than that value stored in the backup db | 21:11 |
| vipul | juice: do we store zipped size currently or acutal? | 21:11 |
| juice | …on instance create | 21:11 |
| juice | we will need to store actual size | 21:11 |
| juice | not sure what value storing zipped size gets us | 21:12 |
| vipul | ok i thought there was something in metadata about the size today | 21:12 |
| vipul | right we need to store actual | 21:12 |
| hub_cap | vipul: ive updated the wiki plz refresh at your convienence | 21:12 |
| juice | there probably is but we will capture the actual size separately | 21:12 |
| vipul | hub_cap: done | 21:12 |
| hub_cap | <3<3 | 21:12 |
| vipul | juice: ok sounds good | 21:12 |
| vipul | so do we consider the backups-api patch good to merge then? | 21:13 |
| vipul | since this shouldn't hold that up | 21:13 |
| juice | its' already merged | 21:13 |
| juice | this is an enhancement | 21:13 |
| vipul | w00t.. even better | 21:13 |
| juice | a new blue print created by mr hub_cap | 21:13 |
| vipul | ok cool | 21:13 |
| vipul | moving on then | 21:13 |
| juice | the backup api documentation should be merged | 21:13 |
| vipul | #topic Notifications - Exists event | 21:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Notifications - Exists event (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 21:13 | |
| juice | I don't see a reason throwing out the bathwater with the baby | 21:13 |
| vipul | juice: you want to discuss updates on this one? | 21:14 |
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| hub_cap | :D im the blueprint ghostwriter | 21:14 |
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| juice | yes - just want to clarify on the previous topic that the documentation as is | 21:14 |
| juice | is good enough for now | 21:14 |
| juice | and when we add the validation we will put a note about the error in the documentation | 21:15 |
| robertmyers | juice: yes, that is the plan | 21:15 |
| juice | thanks robertmyers | 21:15 |
| juice | so onto exists | 21:15 |
| juice | We are working on getting this merged | 21:15 |
| juice | I had a few good comments from grapex and cp16net | 21:15 |
| juice | those are in the latest patch set | 21:16 |
| vipul | hub_cap: refresh agenda when you get a chance | 21:16 |
| juice | we are doing some testing here in our pre-prod env | 21:16 |
| hub_cap | coo | 21:16 |
| juice | not sure if there are any outstanding questions/feedback on that one | 21:16 |
| juice | anyone? anyone? (in my ferris bueller teacher voice) | 21:17 |
| vipul | ok looks like we're good on that | 21:17 |
| vipul | #topic Heat Update | 21:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Heat Update (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 21:17 | |
| hub_cap | hey thats me | 21:17 |
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| vipul | go for it | 21:17 |
| hub_cap | so heat will be a very nice add, from what i gather | 21:18 |
| hub_cap | im currently hacking away at a custom template for deb based installs that will set passwd and eventaully install guest | 21:18 |
| grapex | cdb-scd | 21:18 |
| hub_cap | it was a bit rough to get started but i understand how heat works now | 21:18 |
| cp16net | im out, peace | 21:19 |
| juice | l8r | 21:19 |
| vipul | grapex: confused | 21:19 |
| imsplitbit | bai | 21:19 |
| hub_cap | and heat is in a place that we can use it now, it pretty good as it stands | 21:19 |
| hub_cap | vipul: grapex likes saying random shit | 21:19 |
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| grapex | vipul: Hai guys my Mac is stuttering like the '80's Cinemax mascot | 21:20 |
| vipul | lol i figured as much | 21:20 |
| hub_cap | so thats all i have now. ill have a template for real in a day or 2 | 21:20 |
| hub_cap | grapex: max headroom? | 21:20 |
| vipul | hub_cap: so does that make our image minimal? | 21:20 |
| hub_cap | vipul: it makes us able to run any uec image | 21:20 |
| hub_cap | so the imagebuilder stuff becomes a moot point i think | 21:20 |
| vipul | we may want to still do that since install on the fly will slow boot | 21:20 |
| hub_cap | i might be speaking too soon since im using the imagebuilder's image to upload | 21:20 |
| hub_cap | well it downloads a uec image vipul | 21:21 |
| hub_cap | so we can just do the same thing it does, cache 1x and use | 21:21 |
| hub_cap | but again im not 100% sure yet | 21:21 |
| hub_cap | more to come in the future | 21:21 |
| imsplitbit | :- | 21:21 |
| imsplitbit | :-D | 21:21 |
| hub_cap | and the template can sub out the mysql version / package too | 21:21 |
| vipul | we shall wait | 21:22 |
| imsplitbit | "I'll be done in 2 days... or maybe not at all" | 21:22 |
| hub_cap | so it should be pretty extensible | 21:22 |
| hub_cap | imsplitbit: GOTO hell | 21:22 |
| imsplitbit | :) | 21:22 |
| vipul | lol | 21:22 |
| hub_cap | that is all | 21:22 |
| vipul | alright | 21:22 |
| vipul | #topic API Validation Update | 21:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API Validation Update (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 21:22 | |
| vipul | juice: is this you? | 21:23 |
| juice | little progress on this | 21:23 |
| juice | have all the schema's defined | 21:23 |
| juice | working on the code to slide it in the pipeline as a filter | 21:23 |
| vipul | so we're going with json-schema to validate? | 21:23 |
| juice | yes sir | 21:23 |
| vipul | nice | 21:23 |
| imsplitbit | noice | 21:23 |
| juice | pass in a dict of the request and it validates | 21:23 |
| juice | I have tests for the schemas and responses | 21:24 |
| juice | it's pretty tight framework but then it takes a bit of practice to get the schema just right | 21:24 |
| vipul | are we putting them in the reddwarf project? | 21:24 |
| vipul | cuz i think we had xsds that were in reddwarf-int? | 21:24 |
| juice | it has a few limitations/quirks but it follows the json schema spec quite closely | 21:24 |
| vipul | we should probably put them in reddwarf proper | 21:24 |
| juice | there are currently in reddwarf | 21:25 |
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| juice | what does putting them in reddwarf-integration buy us? | 21:25 |
| vipul | nothing.. it makes it harder to manage | 21:25 |
| juice | or rather, why would we put them there? to generate documentation or something | 21:25 |
| vipul | i think i saw schemas there | 21:25 |
| hub_cap | reddwarf proper | 21:25 |
| vipul | anyone want to elaborate on this comment? "Many groups are doing this now" | 21:26 |
| hub_cap | period | 21:26 |
| hub_cap | yes vipul i wrote it | 21:26 |
| hub_cap | there was talk about 2 projects adopting things | 21:26 |
| hub_cap | some are doing json schema | 21:26 |
| hub_cap | but some others are using wsme | 21:26 |
| juice | hub_cap was trying to peer pressure me :) | 21:26 |
| hub_cap | :D | 21:26 |
| juice | smoke it kid everyone is doing it :) | 21:26 |
| hub_cap | so eventually there will be some oslo stuff | 21:26 |
| hub_cap | juice: ok! | 21:26 |
| hub_cap | but we might end up moving away from json schema is what it seems, possibly | 21:27 |
| hub_cap | since pecan/wsme can do it | 21:27 |
| hub_cap | but thatll require a complete wsgi rewrite | 21:27 |
| vipul | so we're monving to pecan/wsme? | 21:27 |
| hub_cap | so we shou move forward for now | 21:27 |
| juice | pecan? | 21:27 |
| juice | wsme? | 21:27 |
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| hub_cap | juice: pecans fall from the wsme tree | 21:27 |
| juice | oh yes - of course | 21:27 |
| hub_cap | #link https://pypi.python.org/pypi/WSME | 21:27 |
| hub_cap | but id say we wait for those | 21:28 |
| vipul | is there a mandate? | 21:28 |
| hub_cap | #link https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pecan/0.3.0 | 21:28 |
| hub_cap | no but thre is a movement | 21:28 |
| hub_cap | we are the _only_ project using oslo.wsgi | 21:28 |
| juice | this seems small enough of an effort for now, I don't see any reason to hold up and wait | 21:28 |
| vipul | no way.. | 21:28 |
| vipul | nova? | 21:28 |
| hub_cap | so it never caught on... and everyone is doing it their own way | 21:28 |
| hub_cap | nope vipul | 21:28 |
| hub_cap | markmc mentioned that | 21:28 |
| juice | and it's more or less orthogonal to the the rest of the project being a filter | 21:28 |
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| hub_cap | ya juice keep moving w/ it | 21:29 |
| hub_cap | we need good validation | 21:29 |
| vipul | so much for being good citizens and using oslo | 21:29 |
| hub_cap | just saying we shold watch what other groups are doing too | 21:29 |
| hub_cap | heh right vipul? | 21:29 |
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| vipul | is pecan support going ot be in oslo then? | 21:29 |
| hub_cap | probably eventually | 21:30 |
| vipul | or we just ditch oslo for the web layer? | 21:30 |
| hub_cap | i honestly dont know at this point | 21:30 |
| hub_cap | we wait | 21:30 |
| hub_cap | oslo.wsgi works for us | 21:30 |
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| hub_cap | ill hack it up when the time comes | 21:30 |
| vipul | k | 21:30 |
| vipul | #topic Validation of API input in Services vs Models | 21:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Validation of API input in Services vs Models (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 21:31 | |
| vipul | what's this one about? | 21:31 |
| juice | I was going to ask the same | 21:31 |
| esmute | is this about the database name validation that merged last week? | 21:31 |
| vipul | related to validating the db-user ? | 21:31 |
| hub_cap | it merged? | 21:31 |
| hub_cap | i put it on b4 it had merged | 21:32 |
| datsun180b | i think so | 21:32 |
| hub_cap | but yes it was about esmute's stuff | 21:32 |
| hub_cap | i didnt want it to sit for more time | 21:32 |
| vipul | do we have a guideline on these things? | 21:32 |
| esmute | you +2'ed hub_cap | 21:32 |
| juice | I have a related question when we are done with this | 21:32 |
| juice | o/ | 21:32 |
| hub_cap | well good esmute! | 21:32 |
| esmute | haha | 21:32 |
| juice | o? | 21:32 |
| vipul | so some things that touch the db make sense to be validated at the db layer | 21:32 |
| vipul | since the underlying db may be different and there may be different rules | 21:33 |
| hub_cap | example? | 21:33 |
| datsun180b | right, we may not have the same rules for, for example usernames, should we switch db flavors | 21:33 |
| vipul | database name is the example | 21:33 |
| vipul | sorry db-user name | 21:33 |
| hub_cap | oh i was thnking the infra db | 21:33 |
| datsun180b | maybe some future impl doesn't allow db names that start with underscores | 21:33 |
| hub_cap | and was confused | 21:33 |
| hub_cap | im good now | 21:34 |
| vipul | yep what datsun180b said | 21:34 |
| juice | jsonschema can do pattern validation | 21:34 |
| juice | or regex validation | 21:34 |
| datsun180b | on the other hand, maybe our api has restrictions that aren't forbidden in the impl | 21:34 |
| vipul | datsun180b: which is definitely the case.. since we have a backdoor | 21:34 |
| datsun180b | exactly | 21:35 |
| hub_cap | yes datsun180b both of your cases are valid | 21:35 |
| vipul | i think esmute mentioned a use case where not-validating and creating a user through the backdoor breaks other apis | 21:35 |
| datsun180b | i know the case | 21:35 |
| juice | me too :) | 21:35 |
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| esmute | me too | 21:36 |
| datsun180b | create a db that fails the validation and then try to list dbs, and you'll get 400s for a simple db list | 21:36 |
| vipul | please enlighten us :D | 21:36 |
| esmute | so validation is still done in the models.. at least for DB stuff | 21:36 |
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| datsun180b | 400 being "bad request" | 21:36 |
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| esmute | so what was done was to have teh validation in not all the db requests.... | 21:37 |
| esmute | for example listing DBs. | 21:37 |
| vipul | datsun180b: but that should be fixed with esmute's patch? (list dbs at least) | 21:37 |
| datsun180b | ideally | 21:37 |
| vipul | esmute: but doesn't this still break like the grant api? | 21:38 |
| vipul | you can list the users, but you can't do much more with them | 21:38 |
| hub_cap | we should pass this off for now and think about it | 21:38 |
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| datsun180b | oh was that not part of the changes? | 21:38 |
| esmute | you can list DB with bogus names that were created via the backdoor (root user) | 21:38 |
| hub_cap | cuz this is gonna bite us for _every_ type of db in the future | 21:38 |
| esmute | but you cannot delete them via the api | 21:38 |
| datsun180b | we'd better bite first | 21:38 |
| esmute | because when you try to deletethem, the validation code will prevent you | 21:39 |
| hub_cap | datsun180b: exactly! | 21:39 |
| datsun180b | i think our primary concern with validation is to fight exploitation, and our second is making sure that our resources can be referred to properly and uniquely with our url schema | 21:39 |
| esmute | just so that we are all in the same page, we are talking about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28850/ | 21:39 |
| hub_cap | esmute: i didnt +2 that! ;) | 21:40 |
| esmute | oops. Sorry hub_cap.. I mistook you with grapex | 21:40 |
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| hub_cap | esmute: grapex is my better half | 21:40 |
| datsun180b | oh i don't think i approved that one either, i wanted tests | 21:40 |
| imsplitbit | esmute: we all do that | 21:40 |
| imsplitbit | they're basically twins | 21:40 |
| esmute | there are tests there | 21:40 |
| vipul | datsun180b: so what about just url-encoding when we do a list? i think we need to rethink the validation | 21:41 |
| datsun180b | i hadn't seen them since, my last comment was against patch 2 | 21:41 |
| hub_cap | imsplitbit: im danny devito, and grapex is ahhhnald | 21:41 |
| grapex | Guys am I hearing I didn't minus 2 enough? I tried my best! | 21:41 |
| esmute | what i can do is add a new test that makes sure it skips the validation when it should | 21:41 |
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| datsun180b | esmute: i think a test needs to create a bad instance with a backdoor before all of the other tests run | 21:41 |
| datsun180b | esmute: if none of them are interrupted we don't have a problem | 21:41 |
| grapex | hub_cap: Because we all know recessive genes are worse somehow. :) | 21:42 |
| hub_cap | HA | 21:42 |
| datsun180b | i mean 'db' and probably also 'user' instead of 'instance' | 21:42 |
| esmute | datsun180b: Ok. we need to have the agent mocked for that , no? | 21:42 |
| datsun180b | yeah, that test can be mocked pretty easily | 21:43 |
| hub_cap | shall we move this convo and move on? seems like we know we can write a test and keep vigilant of it | 21:43 |
| datsun180b | #agree | 21:43 |
| datsun180b | we need to discuss this more | 21:43 |
| hub_cap | #agree w #agree | 21:43 |
| esmute | ok | 21:43 |
| vipul | #topic Create Schema vs Database | 21:44 |
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| hub_cap | huh? whats this? IR confused | 21:44 |
| vipul | something to consider w/future version of our API | 21:44 |
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| hub_cap | ohhhhhhh u mean the api | 21:44 |
| vipul | not all database types refer to database the way mysql does | 21:44 |
| datsun180b | like the name SchemaController? | 21:44 |
| hub_cap | i think vipul means from the customer facing perspective, ya? | 21:44 |
| vipul | is that what it's really named? | 21:44 |
| vipul | hub_cap: yes, customer facing api | 21:45 |
| datsun180b | and the fact that it doesn't really create schemas so much as databases | 21:45 |
| vipul | instances/id/schema | 21:45 |
| datsun180b | then again i'm no dba | 21:45 |
| vipul | well specifically oracle.. it's referred to as schema | 21:45 |
| hub_cap | so heres the deal. most people i know who _arent_ dbas or who dont work w/ krow say database | 21:45 |
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| imsplitbit | :-) | 21:46 |
| hub_cap | http://docs.oracle.com/cd/B19306_01/server.102/b14200/statements_5004.htm | 21:46 |
| datsun180b | and when you create one in mysql in particular, "create database" is the way to go | 21:46 |
| datsun180b | i know how much as anecdotal evidence helps an argument | 21:46 |
| hub_cap | heh datsun180b | 21:46 |
| vipul | http://docs.oracle.com/cd/B19306_01/server.102/b14200/statements_6014.htm | 21:46 |
| vipul | :D | 21:46 |
| imsplitbit | oddly enough the mysql workbench used to refer to creating database as creating schema | 21:46 |
| hub_cap | Use the CREATE SCHEMA statement to create multiple tables and views and perform multiple grants in your own schema in a single transaction. | 21:47 |
| datsun180b | well what would you know, all you have over me is extensive experience working with databases...oh | 21:47 |
| hub_cap | will we be doing that? if so we shoudl use schema stuff | 21:47 |
| hub_cap | imho we are doing database stuff, not schema stuff | 21:48 |
| vipul | Yea i am not sure what the right way is... just got some feedback that this was confusing to some | 21:48 |
| imsplitbit | also mysql information_schema refers to dbs as schema | 21:48 |
| vipul | right, performance_schema, etc | 21:48 |
| imsplitbit | exactly | 21:48 |
| hub_cap | http://docs.oracle.com/cd/B19306_01/server.102/b14231/create.htm#i1008985 | 21:48 |
| datsun180b | my whole point is since i have no formal idea of what i'm talking about so i vote however imsplitbit does | 21:49 |
| hub_cap | but then again im totally _not_ a dba | 21:49 |
| hub_cap | datsun180b: #agree | 21:49 |
| datsun180b | because i defer to him | 21:49 |
| vipul | and maybe we route both urls to the same thing :D | 21:49 |
| vipul | but something to consider for v2 or v3 or whenever | 21:50 |
| hub_cap | vipul: id prefer not to, since in things like oracle create schema is drastically different than create database | 21:50 |
| hub_cap | im not saying we _dont_ do schema stuff | 21:50 |
| hub_cap | id prefer to not call it create schema if we arent doing anthing more than createing a database tho | 21:51 |
| vipul | fair enough | 21:51 |
| vipul | maybe it's an additional set of calls | 21:51 |
| vipul | that really creates a schema instead | 21:51 |
| imsplitbit | hub_cap: this is a much bigger discussion | 21:51 |
| hub_cap | yes it is imsplitbit | 21:51 |
| hub_cap | fwiw, mysql docs say | 21:51 |
| hub_cap | CREATE DATABASE creates a database with the given name. To use this statement, you need the CREATE privilege for the database. CREATE SCHEMA is a synonym for CREATE DATABASE as of MySQL 5.0.2. | 21:51 |
| hub_cap | but again thats _just_ for mysql :) | 21:52 |
| imsplitbit | hub_cap: thats because mysql was designed to be simplified | 21:52 |
| imsplitbit | a schema is a database | 21:52 |
| imsplitbit | but it is beyond that | 21:52 |
| datsun180b | maybe the distinction should be left to the impl and it just happens to be that mysql does that for us | 21:52 |
| imsplitbit | it is a definition of constraints | 21:52 |
| hub_cap | sure but its something our users need to understand | 21:52 |
| imsplitbit | in the mysql context it means its a folder where table files get put | 21:52 |
| imsplitbit | right | 21:52 |
| datsun180b | i'd like to hope the understand the difference about the time they pick the impl they're using | 21:52 |
| hub_cap | datsun180b: simple is better :) | 21:53 |
| imsplitbit | schema is more "cross platform" :-) | 21:53 |
| hub_cap | vipul: see the can u opened ;) | 21:53 |
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| hub_cap | is it imsplitbit? | 21:53 |
| imsplitbit | most DBMS' refer to them as schema | 21:53 |
| vipul | hub_cap: yea we should probably table this since it's not going to be decided here | 21:53 |
| hub_cap | imsplitbit: def | 21:53 |
| imsplitbit | well the ones that require you to wear your big boy pants | 21:53 |
| hub_cap | vipul: double def | 21:53 |
| hub_cap | imsplitbit: HAH | 21:54 |
| datsun180b | select count(*) from nice_things where we_can_have_one = 1; | 21:54 |
| imsplitbit | mysql is kinda "my first dbms" | 21:54 |
| datsun180b | 0 rows returned | 21:54 |
| vipul | imsplitbit: i've heard it be called schema in oracle for the most part | 21:54 |
| datsun180b | wait see i'm no dba, it would return one row, count = 0 | 21:54 |
| hub_cap | vipul: this is interesting and non authoritative | 21:55 |
| vipul | ok onto the next thing? | 21:55 |
| hub_cap | Now that we have a database we can create schemas inside the database. A schema is defined as a user that owns data such as tables, views, indexes, and so forth. If a user has no data of their own and just connects and queries for information then they are not considered a schema. This is the difference between a schema and a user. Also you may be familiar with other database systems and will notice that what Oracle calls a schema the other | 21:55 |
| hub_cap | yes plz :) | 21:55 |
| datsun180b | is there a #motion-to-table | 21:55 |
| hub_cap | #move-on | 21:55 |
| vipul | #tabled | 21:55 |
| hub_cap | #help | 21:55 |
| vipul | #topic Incubation Status | 21:55 |
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| hub_cap | #plzgodhelp | 21:55 |
| vipul | lol | 21:55 |
| hub_cap | ummmmmmmm really? | 21:56 |
| vipul | this one's for you hub_cap | 21:56 |
| hub_cap | ok we are um, incubated | 21:56 |
| hub_cap | done | 21:56 |
| datsun180b | hub_cap i think you're hashtagging by mistake | 21:56 |
| vipul | what does it mean?? | 21:56 |
| hub_cap | #doublerainbow | 21:56 |
| vipul | do we have an update on when we move to openstack github | 21:56 |
| vipul | or when we can leverage openstack-ci for gate? | 21:56 |
| hub_cap | yes i know exactly when we move | 21:56 |
| hub_cap | when we get a name | 21:56 |
| hub_cap | mark collier is _still_ on vacation | 21:57 |
| hub_cap | so we wont get any traction till he gets back on that | 21:57 |
| vipul | kk | 21:57 |
| vipul | is there a list of things that we need to do prior to next summit? | 21:57 |
| vipul | or is this process pretty open-ended | 21:57 |
| hub_cap | really just heat | 21:58 |
| hub_cap | thats the only thing they want to see done | 21:58 |
| hub_cap | thats my biggest prio | 21:58 |
| vipul | ok cool | 21:58 |
| vipul | #topic Open Discussion | 21:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: reddwarf)" | 21:58 | |
| vipul | anything else to discuss? | 21:59 |
| imsplitbit | replication api ideas | 21:59 |
| juice | can someone give me the quick run down of class type/module and responsibility | 21:59 |
| imsplitbit | I've started spit balling on the replicationa and clustering concepts wiki page | 21:59 |
| juice | go ahead imsplitbit | 21:59 |
| vipul | imsplitbit: sorry i've been out how's that been going | 21:59 |
| imsplitbit | I'd love to hear from anyone and everyone on what I've got | 22:00 |
| imsplitbit | they're very early ideas | 22:00 |
| vipul | can you link here again? | 22:00 |
| imsplitbit | but I'd love collaboration on it | 22:00 |
| imsplitbit | wait one | 22:00 |
| hub_cap | ill wait 2 for u | 22:00 |
| imsplitbit | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Reddwarf-MySQL-Replication-and-Clustering-Concepts#Ideas_for_API | 22:00 |
| imsplitbit | basically noodling so far so don't feel like you gotta hold back | 22:01 |
| imsplitbit | if it's stupid, it's stupid | 22:01 |
| datsun180b | > noodling | 22:01 |
| imsplitbit | lets get it worked out | 22:01 |
| imsplitbit | I'd like to have a final proposal no later than the end of the week | 22:01 |
| imsplitbit | so we can at least get some poc code started | 22:01 |
| vipul | nice.. thanks for getting this started | 22:01 |
| vipul | so the idea is to do a cluster api from the start? | 22:01 |
| hub_cap | http://sportbloggingp445.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/noodling-small.jpg | 22:02 |
| hub_cap | ^ ^ noodling | 22:02 |
| hub_cap | vipul: the idea is that mysql replication is a type of cluster | 22:02 |
| imsplitbit | well the idea that hub_cap and I had was that there's so much in common between the two we just treat them the same | 22:02 |
| datsun180b | thanks for that | 22:02 |
| hub_cap | > 1 nodes treated as a single entitiy | 22:02 |
| imsplitbit | and perhaps we call it something other than cluster/s | 22:02 |
| hub_cap | w/ add/drain/remove ops just like any other cluster | 22:02 |
| hub_cap | i proposed marshmallows | 22:02 |
| hub_cap | it didnt fly | 22:02 |
| imsplitbit | so as to not imply true clustering | 22:03 |
| imsplitbit | marshmallows | 22:03 |
| hub_cap | imho cluster is fine | 22:03 |
| vipul | does that mean you can't create a single instance.. and later replicate it? | 22:03 |
| hub_cap | u can vipul | 22:03 |
| hub_cap | some types of clustering wont allow it, but master/slave will allow "promoting" | 22:03 |
| imsplitbit | no theres an idea in there somewhere that lets you create a "cluster" from an existing instance | 22:03 |
| hub_cap | so to speak | 22:03 |
| vipul | ok i see it | 22:03 |
| hub_cap | so stick your arm down a catfish's throat on it some and give feedback | 22:04 |
| imsplitbit | please | 22:04 |
| hub_cap | sry i mean noodle on it | 22:04 |
| vipul | heh | 22:04 |
| imsplitbit | lol | 22:04 |
| imsplitbit | hub_cap: you've never been noodling | 22:04 |
| imsplitbit | I have | 22:04 |
| hub_cap | imsplitbit: grats | 22:04 |
| imsplitbit | brings out your inner redneck | 22:04 |
| hub_cap | oh im sure it does. fwiw i would TOTALLY do it | 22:05 |
| imsplitbit | but thats another story for another time | 22:05 |
| imsplitbit | thanks for looking at it guys and I look forward to hearing from ya | 22:05 |
| hub_cap | we are 5min over | 22:05 |
| vipul | juice: you had something? | 22:05 |
| imsplitbit | I'm done | 22:05 |
| hub_cap | likely my fault mostly | 22:05 |
| imsplitbit | juice had something | 22:05 |
| grapex | Awesome work imsplitbit. | 22:05 |
| imsplitbit | thx | 22:05 |
| hub_cap | ya imsplitbit now code it | 22:05 |
| grapex | And test it. :p | 22:06 |
| juice | when I say models you say ? | 22:06 |
| esmute | yeah.. that was cool. Im reading it now imsplitbit | 22:06 |
| hub_cap | juice: sledoms? | 22:07 |
| vipul | kate upton? | 22:08 |
| juice | ok that's a bit corny - I am just wondering in our architecture document if we have a well established responsibilities for each class/class type/module | 22:08 |
| juice | hubba | 22:08 |
| vipul | not sure i've seen that documented anywhere | 22:08 |
| juice | going through the exists feature, I felt a little lost as two what Tasks, Models, Services are supposed to do. And then why There is a christmas tree of classes for Instances | 22:09 |
| juice | I should have use pyramid | 22:09 |
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| juice | s/use/used | 22:10 |
| vipul | api layer = Service, delegates to Tasks to coordinate, which delgates to models to persist or remote model | 22:11 |
| juice | The reason for asking is that it may be a bit of a challenge to keep consistency as new devs come on | 22:11 |
| vipul | yea, it's not very consistent.. | 22:11 |
| vipul | i think the Tasks stuff was never really completed.. since there seems to be a concept of task state | 22:11 |
| vipul | which isn't really reported on or acted on | 22:11 |
| vipul | i could be wrong though | 22:12 |
| juice | I just wanted to know the gospel so that while there may be inconsistencies, at least I know the intention | 22:12 |
| imsplitbit | CAN I GET A WITNESS?!? | 22:12 |
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| juice | can you see the light?! | 22:14 |
| imsplitbit | preach on brother! | 22:14 |
| imsplitbit | preach it | 22:14 |
| imsplitbit | :) | 22:14 |
| vipul | i guess that's a wrap? | 22:14 |
| juice | I was looking for a link to blues brothers scene with james brown | 22:14 |
| vipul | looks like most people have checked out | 22:15 |
| imsplitbit | yeah I spose thats a wrap? | 22:15 |
| vipul | #endmeeting | 22:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings (alternate)" | 22:15 | |
| juice | #link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb26QPjJmtc | 22:15 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 4 22:15:29 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2013/reddwarf.2013-06-04-21.04.html | 22:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2013/reddwarf.2013-06-04-21.04.txt | 22:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2013/reddwarf.2013-06-04-21.04.log.html | 22:15 |
| juice | bleh! #link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCCd5Qh3OtQ | 22:16 |
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