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| vipul | hub_cap: you running this? | 20:01 |
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| hub_cap | heyo | 20:02 |
| konetzed | hi | 20:02 |
| hub_cap | #startmeeting trove | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 3 20:02:49 2013 UTC. The chair is hub_cap. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 20:02 |
| hub_cap | i almost did startmeeting reddwarf | 20:02 |
| vipul | o/ | 20:03 |
| hub_cap | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 20:03 |
| hub_cap | \o | 20:03 |
| kevinconway | \o/ | 20:03 |
| hub_cap | hands across america | 20:03 |
| datsun180b | o7 | 20:03 |
| robertmyers | \o | 20:03 |
| datsun180b | does that actually take role for us? | 20:03 |
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| vipul | don't think so | 20:03 |
| SlickNik | o/ | 20:03 |
| kevinconway | i think just saying something in the channel logs you | 20:03 |
| hub_cap | nope | 20:03 |
| hub_cap | its just cool | 20:04 |
| datsun180b | oh it's roll call anyway | 20:04 |
| hub_cap | so lets get started seems like we have enough people | 20:04 |
| hub_cap | whers grapex_? | 20:04 |
| hub_cap | hes the only one from core i dont see here | 20:04 |
| konetzed | hub_cap: i thought he said he would be late | 20:04 |
| datsun180b | he did | 20:04 |
| hub_cap | ok | 20:04 |
| hub_cap | #topic action items | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:04 | |
| hub_cap | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-06-25-21.04.html | 20:04 |
| hub_cap | esmute SlickNik vm-gate integration status? | 20:05 |
| hub_cap | tap tap tap... is this thing on | 20:05 |
| esmute | Damn.. feel bad.. been dragging this for a while | 20:05 |
| hub_cap | its ok | 20:05 |
| SlickNik | still work in progress... | 20:05 |
| hub_cap | no update is a status | 20:06 |
| hub_cap | re-action it plz | 20:06 |
| hub_cap | wait | 20:06 |
| hub_cap | just add it ot the meeting as a thing to talk about each wk | 20:06 |
| hub_cap | then it will annoy u enough to do it | 20:06 |
| hub_cap | :D | 20:06 |
| SlickNik | Okay, I will do that. :) | 20:06 |
| hub_cap | juice: vipul whats this about packaging in heat? | 20:06 |
| esmute | i spoke briefly with clarkb and he gave me some points where to start | 20:06 |
| hub_cap | heat doesnt define the "how" for packaging | 20:06 |
| vipul | hub_cap: didn't get a chance to look into this yet | 20:07 |
| hub_cap | vipul: can u add to agenda | 20:07 |
| vipul | this was supposed to be used as an example for how we'd split guestagent | 20:07 |
| hub_cap | so i can get caught up on your conerns | 20:07 |
| hub_cap | ok | 20:07 |
| vipul | Sure | 20:07 |
| hub_cap | lets talk about it | 20:07 |
| juice | hub_cap: I think it's less about heat and more about coming up with better packages for trove | 20:07 |
| juice | yes? | 20:07 |
| juice | vipul? | 20:07 |
| vipul | yep | 20:07 |
| hub_cap | sure, dont u mean tarballs :P | 20:07 |
| vipul | using heat's example pretty much | 20:07 |
| juice | no zip files | 20:07 |
| juice | :) | 20:08 |
| hub_cap | HA | 20:08 |
| hub_cap | ok we talked about replication | 20:08 |
| hub_cap | and ive added a "lets talk about it again" to the agenda | 20:08 |
| hub_cap | we should pick another time to meet | 20:08 |
| hub_cap | oh and this time, lets do it _in_ a room w/ meetbot | 20:08 |
| hub_cap | so we can have minutes etc for it | 20:08 |
| SlickNik | that sounds good. | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | tehre was some concern on our end about /instances and /clusters not overlapping but we can talk about that during the next meeting | 20:09 |
| vipul | sure | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | vipul: i updated the wiki article already ;) | 20:09 |
| vipul | noticed that :) thanks hub_cap | 20:09 |
| vipul | we got a bunch of broken links though.. | 20:09 |
| vipul | #action vipul to fix broken links hanging off wiki.openstack.org/trove | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | #action hub_cap to help out w/ the changes | 20:10 |
| hub_cap | ive done, id say, 30% of the changes to random pages from a search i had done | 20:10 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: looks like the last one is u | 20:10 |
| hub_cap | im assuming the rename+jenkins is ok | 20:10 |
| hub_cap | so lets talk about those dev dox | 20:10 |
| SlickNik | Yeah, I looked into it a bit. | 20:11 |
| grapex_ | o/ | 20:11 |
| hub_cap | hello grapex_! | 20:11 |
| SlickNik | These are built by the CI infra team as part of a different "documentation" job. | 20:11 |
| hub_cap | you havent missed much still in action items territory | 20:11 |
| grapex_ | hub_cap: I read. | 20:11 |
| vipul | looks like you've inherited an _ isntead of a character :) | 20:11 |
| hub_cap | ok so we need to spend some cycles on the CI infra/docs stuff then eh? | 20:11 |
| hub_cap | lol vipul | 20:11 |
| grapex_ | vipul: I hopped over another user on freenode. It's like getting crowned in checkers. | 20:12 |
| SlickNik | Yes. Building it is fairly straightforward. | 20:12 |
| hub_cap | ok good deal | 20:12 |
| SlickNik | We need to figure out what we want to publish in these docs. | 20:12 |
| hub_cap | grapex_: ghost cmd | 20:12 |
| robertmyers | grapex_: register your nick | 20:12 |
| hub_cap | ok seems a bit low prio to me, but we are getting more and more questions about deving in trove | 20:12 |
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| SlickNik | Perhaps some of the trove-integration docs would be a good start and we can build on that. | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | probably so SlickNik | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | lets do this | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | next n00b in trove writes docs ;) | 20:13 |
| datsun180b | I don't know if people trying to develop with/on Trove should be "low prio" | 20:13 |
| SlickNik | lol | 20:13 |
| juice | ha ha | 20:13 |
| juice | that's a new one :) | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | datsun180b: tahts not a low prio docs are | 20:14 |
| SlickNik | I'll get a job up and running so that there will be a place to write them too. | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | but as soon as more people ask, theyu become a high prio | 20:14 |
| datsun180b | right | 20:14 |
| vipul | one thing that would really be good is a install guide | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | basically the ammt of uptick defines the priority | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | now its low :) | 20:14 |
| SlickNik | s/too/to | 20:14 |
| vipul | like what all the configuration params mean | 20:14 |
| vipul | kinda like Nova has an op's guide | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | vipul: yes thats a good idea | 20:14 |
| datsun180b | I'm trying to leapfrog install guides with vagrant with moderate success | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | the CERN guys are asking how to install this in a non 'dev env' way | 20:15 |
| SlickNik | #action SlickNik to look into getting a documentation ci-infra job up. | 20:15 |
| vipul | SlickNik: where would such guides be committed? | 20:15 |
| datsun180b | deployment guides would be really nice | 20:15 |
| hub_cap | #agreed | 20:15 |
| hub_cap | lets move on we have a big agenda | 20:15 |
| hub_cap | vipul: get w/ SlickNik to see where they go, im interested as well | 20:16 |
| vipul | coo | 20:16 |
| hub_cap | #topic h2 blueprints | 20:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "h2 blueprints (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:16 | |
| SlickNik | vipul: I think a different repo, although I've seen some variations in what other projects do. | 20:16 |
| hub_cap | fwiw, since we are incubated, we need to keep better track of the blueprints and when they are integrated | 20:16 |
| hub_cap | err implemented | 20:16 |
| hub_cap | ive seen a lot of code go thru the last few wks but no blueprints actually marked as implemented | 20:16 |
| hub_cap | there is no automated process for this | 20:17 |
| hub_cap | its your mouse and clicking | 20:17 |
| hub_cap | :D | 20:17 |
| datsun180b | and hudson doesn't actually close the bps does he | 20:17 |
| SlickNik | vipul: so will talk to clarkb to see what the intended location is. | 20:17 |
| hub_cap | #link https://launchpad.net/trove/+milestone/havana-2 | 20:17 |
| hub_cap | datsun180b: correct | 20:17 |
| datsun180b | it might help if we approved the bps ahead of merges too | 20:17 |
| SlickNik | hub_cap: I don't use a mouse. | 20:17 |
| hub_cap | plz go over the blueprints you have implemented in havana and make sure they are there | 20:17 |
| vipul | is this list ok to change? meaning can i add stuff to H2? | 20:17 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: s/mouse/trackpad | 20:17 |
| hub_cap | vipul: if u think it can be implemented in 2wks yes | 20:18 |
| hub_cap | or if its alrady done | 20:18 |
| vipul | adn what is the date for the h2 milestone | 20:18 |
| hub_cap | then hell yes | 20:18 |
| hub_cap | its on that page vipul | 20:18 |
| hub_cap | 2013-07-18 | 20:18 |
| vipul | oh | 20:18 |
| vipul | got it thanks | 20:18 |
| hub_cap | #action hub_cap vipul to make sure all blueprints that are actually in master are in h2 + implemented status | 20:18 |
| hub_cap | lets split it up vipul and do it | 20:18 |
| SlickNik | hub_cap: I see you've already marked a bunch of them as completed. | 20:19 |
| SlickNik | Thanks | 20:19 |
| vipul | Ok sounds good.. i know half of those may have already been complete | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | cp16net: you have a BLOCKED bp in h2 | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: correct | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | vipul: im sure they are | 20:19 |
| cp16net | oh | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | we just ahvent been diligent about it (yet!) | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | should that be in h2? | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | is it completely necessary? | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | and juice i assume yours will be done by then eh? i think grapex_ +2'd u today | 20:20 |
| vipul | does this mean we tag on 7/18? | 20:20 |
| cp16net | hmm i forgot about that | 20:20 |
| hub_cap | im going to look @ it after i eat some lunch today juice as well | 20:20 |
| hub_cap | vipul: on or around yes | 20:20 |
| hub_cap | and we dont, ttx does | 20:20 |
| hub_cap | he has some automation for all of this | 20:21 |
| vipul | sweet | 20:21 |
| SlickNik | nice | 20:21 |
| hub_cap | so we will have official h2 pkgs | 20:21 |
| cp16net | its a good bp but i havnt had time to go back and fix it up with other things i have been working on | 20:21 |
| hub_cap | ok cp16net plz move it to h3 | 20:21 |
| hub_cap | core team | 20:21 |
| hub_cap | we need to sit down and look @ all the bps | 20:21 |
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| hub_cap | and decide whats 100% necessary for havana | 20:21 |
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| hub_cap | #action hub_cap to grab core and discuss blueprints sometime next wk | 20:22 |
| hub_cap | ill take a pass | 20:22 |
| hub_cap | and then we can discuss the rest | 20:22 |
| hub_cap | ive taken a few passes already too | 20:22 |
| SlickNik | Sounds good, hub_cap. | 20:22 |
| hub_cap | aight horse beaten. anything else on the subject? | 20:22 |
| vipul | how many milestones are there in havana | 20:22 |
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| vipul | and how long is each | 20:23 |
| hub_cap | vipul: 3 in all releases | 20:23 |
| hub_cap | 2mo ea | 20:23 |
| vipul | k | 20:23 |
| cp16net | hub_cap: moved to h3 | 20:23 |
| hub_cap | #link https://launchpad.net/trove/havana | 20:23 |
| hub_cap | ttx deleted our h1 since we didnt push a release | 20:23 |
| hub_cap | and moved all the h1 completed stuff to h2 | 20:23 |
| SlickNik | hub_cap: There are a few bps that are still marked as grizzly. Probably want to reset them as you're taking a pass. | 20:23 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: ya i saw that yest | 20:23 |
| hub_cap | if they arent in already def | 20:24 |
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| hub_cap | moving on, eh? | 20:24 |
| SlickNik | cool, sounds good. | 20:24 |
| hub_cap | #topic Cluster+Heat findings | 20:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cluster+Heat findings (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:24 | |
| hub_cap | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove/HeatIntegration | 20:24 |
| hub_cap | i had some misconceptions from the #heat channel a few days ag | 20:25 |
| hub_cap | *ago | 20:25 |
| hub_cap | heat will fit into clustering quite nicely | 20:25 |
| hub_cap | but it dropped on my prio list a bit | 20:25 |
| hub_cap | so im going to finish rhel integration and then move to heat | 20:26 |
| datsun180b | Those last allcaps notes make it sound like Mr. Hyde took over while you were editing | 20:26 |
| hub_cap | datsun180b: he did | 20:27 |
| hub_cap | hes my sanity | 20:27 |
| hub_cap | ok so does anyone have anything to add here? | 20:27 |
| vipul | I guess some background on how you had originally planned to use it | 20:27 |
| hub_cap | itll be pretty straightforward. ill push things in small reviews | 20:27 |
| vipul | and how do you see things now | 20:27 |
| hub_cap | sure vipul there is a email that explains things well but ill summarize (more context in email if needed) | 20:28 |
| hub_cap | datsun180b: can u find the pipermail link to that email chain? | 20:28 |
| hub_cap | so 1) launch configuration defines the flavor for a grouping of instances | 20:28 |
| datsun180b | I don't know all of those words | 20:28 |
| hub_cap | datsun180b: like http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-May/009666.html | 20:29 |
| hub_cap | but for our email | 20:29 |
| hub_cap | the one that i sent to the list while im typing this stuff | 20:29 |
| SlickNik | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-July/011289.html | 20:29 |
| SlickNik | got it. | 20:29 |
| hub_cap | so we dont need to specify a launch configuration and one of the core devs doesnt even like them | 20:29 |
| datsun180b | with the heat reasons? | 20:29 |
| hub_cap | originally i thought it had to be homogeneous | 20:29 |
| hub_cap | datsun180b: SlickNik linked it | 20:29 |
| datsun180b | there you go | 20:29 |
| datsun180b | i'm helping! | 20:29 |
| hub_cap | but thats not the case, resizes on individual instances in a stack are a-ok | 20:30 |
| vipul | ok so that allows us to have differnt flavors for instances in a single template? | 20:30 |
| hub_cap | which is necessary | 20:30 |
| hub_cap | correct vipul | 20:30 |
| hub_cap | so it meets that criteria | 20:30 |
| hub_cap | also you can add/remove pretty easily, just by specifying changes to your yaml config | 20:30 |
| hub_cap | s/config/template | 20:30 |
| hub_cap | so that meets the criteria of scaling up/down | 20:31 |
| hub_cap | and the nodes can be different, as in u can have a primary and a secondary in the same template | 20:31 |
| SlickNik | I think the last point is key for us. | 20:31 |
| hub_cap | so they can all be easily grouped together (i was originally told that the secondarys/replicas/etc could be one stack but the primary had to be its own) | 20:31 |
| vipul | Ok makes sense | 20:31 |
| SlickNik | i.e. the fact that we can have multiple heterogenous nodes in the same template. | 20:32 |
| vipul | but so some work is needed in Heat to support all this? | 20:32 |
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| hub_cap | vipul: not really | 20:33 |
| hub_cap | lol heat is talking about trove in #openstack-meeting | 20:33 |
| hub_cap | HAAHAHHA circular dependency | 20:33 |
| asalkeld | hey ... | 20:33 |
| asalkeld | (probably other heaters here if you have questions) | 20:34 |
| SlickNik | I think we need to come up with the right templates that suit our needs. | 20:34 |
| amytron | heaters gonna heat | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: ive got a template already | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | LOL | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | but thats about as far as i got SlickNik, was testing and getting a template working | 20:34 |
| SlickNik | lol@amytron | 20:35 |
| hub_cap | BUT ill only be impl'ing it for single instances for now, obvi since we dont have clusters yet | 20:35 |
| hub_cap | but ill help guide the integration for clusters | 20:35 |
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| hub_cap | ok this is hard doing both | 20:36 |
| hub_cap | lets move on | 20:36 |
| SlickNik | sounds like a plan, hub_cap | 20:36 |
| vipul | heh | 20:36 |
| hub_cap | #topic next replication meeting | 20:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "next replication meeting (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:36 | |
| hub_cap | someone spit out some times | 20:37 |
| vipul | Thursday @1pst | 20:37 |
| SlickNik | That works for me. | 20:37 |
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| datsun180b | I can't use doodle again, my free trial expired | 20:37 |
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| datsun180b | at least i don't get the full feature set or something | 20:38 |
| SlickNik | heh, hopefully we won't have to resort to doodle again.. | 20:38 |
| hub_cap | yes i dont care about a doodle, lets say sometime tomorrow | 20:39 |
| hub_cap | LOL JK | 20:39 |
| hub_cap | monday | 20:39 |
| hub_cap | what time | 20:39 |
| SlickNik | lol | 20:39 |
| hub_cap | when was the last oen? lets do it again at the same time next wk | 20:39 |
| hub_cap | day/time | 20:39 |
| vipul | thursday 1pst? | 20:39 |
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| vipul | :) | 20:39 |
| SlickNik | Last one was on Thursday 1PST/ 3CST | 20:40 |
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| SlickNik | Ah, I see what you did there, vipul :) | 20:40 |
| hub_cap | :P | 20:40 |
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| hub_cap | do we want to hold the next one tomorrow | 20:40 |
| hub_cap | HEHE | 20:40 |
| hub_cap | next thr? | 20:40 |
| SlickNik | Yeah, I think that's what vipul was suggesting. | 20:41 |
| SlickNik | (Or at least I hope that's what he was suggesting) | 20:41 |
| vipul | oh yea i meant next week lol | 20:41 |
| esp | phew! | 20:41 |
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| hub_cap | ok good | 20:41 |
| hub_cap | someone #action it and we can move on | 20:41 |
| hub_cap | i have averted my double meeting crisis | 20:41 |
| kevinconway | tomorrow 8:00 AM CST is good for me | 20:41 |
| hub_cap | kevinconway: im glad you dont care about your 4th of july holiday | 20:42 |
| hub_cap | but the rest of us do | 20:42 |
| hub_cap | :P | 20:42 |
| vipul | kevinconway always suggesting those gawd awful times | 20:42 |
| SlickNik | #action Next meeting to discuss replication: Thursday, 11th July 1 p.m. PST/3 p.m. CST | 20:42 |
| hub_cap | kevinconway must not understand >1 TZ for trove hehe | 20:42 |
| datsun180b | i think he exactly understands | 20:43 |
| hub_cap | i know ;) | 20:43 |
| hub_cap | moving on? | 20:43 |
| vipul | o7 | 20:43 |
| hub_cap | #topic guest-agent packaging | 20:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "guest-agent packaging (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:43 | |
| hub_cap | i was literally JUST talking about this in #openstack-meeting w/ heat | 20:43 |
| hub_cap | we came to the conclusion of no pypi lol | 20:43 |
| vipul | this kinda force our hand in splitting the repo? | 20:44 |
| vipul | what's the suggestion instead | 20:44 |
| hub_cap | no suggestion instead | 20:44 |
| hub_cap | just dont use pypi | 20:44 |
| hub_cap | id like to help yall w/ this | 20:44 |
| hub_cap | since itll affect the heat-trove integration as well | 20:45 |
| hub_cap | i dont think i have any good ideas as of now tho | 20:45 |
| vipul | well we have the ability to bake into images | 20:45 |
| hub_cap | NO | 20:45 |
| hub_cap | then we need to roll a new image to test any guest changes | 20:45 |
| vipul | yup | 20:45 |
| hub_cap | thats the opposite of what we want :D | 20:45 |
| vipul | so are we talking in devstack context or how heat would consume the agent? | 20:46 |
| hub_cap | itll be interesting, cuz it has to be different | 20:46 |
| hub_cap | vipul: i dont know | 20:46 |
| hub_cap | what are we talking about lol | 20:46 |
| vipul | hmm | 20:46 |
| hub_cap | im starting (mentally) from local development | 20:46 |
| vipul | :| | 20:46 |
| hub_cap | if what yall were talking about last wk was different then plz correct me!! | 20:46 |
| hub_cap | im like a child that wanders into the middle | 20:47 |
| SlickNik | Aren't there really 2 different issues here. PyPi only talks about the vector of delivery. The work to split the guest agent to live in its own separate repo is tangential... | 20:47 |
| vipul | So we talked about splitting out guest-agent inot own repo.. | 20:47 |
| vipul | SlickNik: it actualy solves the packaging issue | 20:47 |
| hub_cap | yes im ok w/ splitting repos | 20:47 |
| hub_cap | that makes sense | 20:47 |
| vipul | Since we could just have a setup.py in the new repo that pushed to pypi | 20:47 |
| vipul | and you'd be able to release a version of guest agent in the same cycle as Trove | 20:48 |
| hub_cap | the heat guys seem to dislike pypi cuz of its speed / reliability | 20:48 |
| SlickNik | Well, you could have the setup.py and still not use pypi. | 20:48 |
| vipul | correct.. | 20:48 |
| SlickNik | (but use something like tarballs instead) | 20:48 |
| SlickNik | But we can cross that bridge when we get to it. | 20:48 |
| vipul | Basically we have no way to independently version the guest agent currently | 20:49 |
| hub_cap | so we need to solve 1) local dev, 2) devstack, 3) production-esque installations | 20:49 |
| vipul | so how do we solve that | 20:49 |
| hub_cap | tripleo can help us solve #2 and #3 | 20:49 |
| hub_cap | #link https://github.com/stackforge/tripleo-image-elements/blob/master/elements/heat-cfntools/install.d/05-heat-cfntools | 20:50 |
| hub_cap | this is how heat-cfntools is installed in an element | 20:50 |
| hub_cap | we can install the guest in the same way | 20:50 |
| vipul | yea that would be fine.. so a requirement for that is to split the repo | 20:50 |
| hub_cap | correct | 20:51 |
| hub_cap | i mean its not honestly | 20:51 |
| hub_cap | but its a nicety | 20:51 |
| hub_cap | so really the _only_ reason we _have_ to split | 20:51 |
| hub_cap | is for pypi | 20:51 |
| SlickNik | hub_cap: there's a couple of other advantages to splitting the repo as well. | 20:51 |
| hub_cap | sure | 20:51 |
| vipul | when trove is tagged with havana-2.. what's the deliverable of that? | 20:51 |
| vipul | i think it just means that it goes to pypi | 20:52 |
| hub_cap | server/guest are deliverables | 20:52 |
| SlickNik | We'd be able to use endpoints for the guestagent. | 20:52 |
| hub_cap | so it makes sense to have independent ones | 20:52 |
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| hub_cap | SlickNik: endpoints? | 20:52 |
| SlickNik | Enabling us to use stevedore, for instance. | 20:52 |
| hub_cap | and are you solving 1, 2, or 3? | 20:52 |
| vipul | entrypoints | 20:52 |
| SlickNik | sorry entry_points | 20:52 |
| juice | our personal little packaging of trove that annashen did supports separate versions of guest and trove-api | 20:53 |
| juice | using the current layout | 20:53 |
| hub_cap | for sure juice | 20:53 |
| hub_cap | mordred: says pypi hates > 1 deliverable in 1 project ( i believe) | 20:53 |
| hub_cap | but regardless, im not arguing against splitting | 20:53 |
| hub_cap | im just trying to figure out what the higest prios are | 20:53 |
| mordred | well, the other reason you have to split is for OpenStack CI | 20:54 |
| juice | pypi doesn't seem to support much of anything AND in any case it's a bit ugly but it does seem to work fine | 20:54 |
| esp | does splitting guest agent to another repo imply that we will have a common-trove package? | 20:54 |
| hub_cap | mordred: sure | 20:54 |
| mordred | we're not going to write custom it-works-different-for-this-proejct automation. so, the rule is one tarball per repo | 20:54 |
| vipul | esp: i don't think it has to introduce another repo | 20:54 |
| hub_cap | mordred: we arent unique snowflakes?!?! | 20:54 |
| * mordred hands hub_cap a bunny rabbit | 20:55 | |
| esp | vipul: gotcha, juice set me straight :) | 20:55 |
| * hub_cap shreds mordred with a sensational knife | 20:55 | |
| hub_cap | so srsly im not arguing against splitting, im just trying to figure priorities here | 20:55 |
| hub_cap | lets take it offline | 20:55 |
| hub_cap | i think a split is necesary | 20:55 |
| hub_cap | just not sure when we shoudl do it | 20:55 |
| hub_cap | im sure itll be done before icehouse | 20:55 |
| hub_cap | i just want to see whats necesary first, if anything | 20:56 |
| vipul | is that the name for hte next release? | 20:56 |
| SlickNik | hub_cap: I'm +1 for splitting; what are we prioritizing against? | 20:56 |
| hub_cap | vipul: aye | 20:56 |
| hub_cap | i think heat + integration | 20:56 |
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| hub_cap | and making sure the 1, 2, 3 i mentioned above all work smoothly when we cut the rope | 20:56 |
| grapex_ | +1 for splitting too | 20:56 |
| hub_cap | i guess im saying we need a plan :D | 20:56 |
| hub_cap | and how we will integrate once we cut it | 20:57 |
| kevinconway | i think we need 16 repos | 20:57 |
| vipul | i think we need to figure out if we need to do anythigin speical for heat | 20:57 |
| hub_cap | kevinconway: you arelady have that many | 20:57 |
| hub_cap | kevinconway: https://github.com/openstack | 20:57 |
| hub_cap | acutally 45! | 20:57 |
| hub_cap | anyhoo lets move on and talk about it in #openstack-trove | 20:57 |
| hub_cap | we have 3 min and i wanted to briefly talk about the next item | 20:57 |
| vipul | go for it | 20:58 |
| hub_cap | #topic Mission stmt | 20:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mission stmt (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:58 | |
| hub_cap | so if you follow the TC meetings / list, u know now that projects are now called programs | 20:58 |
| hub_cap | and that each program needs a mission statement | 20:58 |
| hub_cap | nothing persay is different in our incubation, but we are now a program | 20:58 |
| SlickNik | Yes, heard about that. | 20:58 |
| hub_cap | and Nova, Glance, Infra, etc... are too | 20:58 |
| kevinconway | Trove Mission: Needs more Heat! | 20:58 |
| cp16net | whats cookin on the heat? | 20:59 |
| grapex_ | kevinconway: The heat is on. | 20:59 |
| grapex_ | It's on the street. | 20:59 |
| hub_cap | kevinconway: remind me to never let u or cp16net or grapex_ write a mission stmt | 20:59 |
| hub_cap | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove#Mission_Statement | 20:59 |
| hub_cap | thats the current mission | 20:59 |
| cp16net | <3 | 20:59 |
| hub_cap | feel free to help me make it better | 20:59 |
| vipul | hmm | 20:59 |
| hub_cap | thx to datsun180b for making it good currently | 20:59 |
| vipul | looks familiar | 20:59 |
| cp16net | let bender write it for us | 20:59 |
| hub_cap | Bender: Life is hilariously cruel. | 20:59 |
| hub_cap | THATS PERFECT | 21:00 |
| grapex_ | hub_cap: That should be it! | 21:00 |
| hub_cap | ok its 2pm gotta call this | 21:00 |
| hub_cap | lets chat if u have updates | 21:00 |
| hub_cap | ill be sending that to the -dev list in a wk | 21:00 |
| vipul | hub_cap: is that a good enough mission statement | 21:00 |
| vipul | or are they asking for more | 21:00 |
| hub_cap | no time for open discussion lets move it to #openstack-trove | 21:00 |
| hub_cap | vipul: they arent asking for more | 21:00 |
| hub_cap | ore less | 21:00 |
| vipul | k | 21:00 |
| hub_cap | im aksing us to look @ it | 21:00 |
| hub_cap | no one has seen it but us as of now | 21:00 |
| hub_cap | we are previewing it b4 i send it to the ML | 21:01 |
| hub_cap | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings (alternate)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 3 21:01:11 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-07-03-20.02.html | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-07-03-20.02.txt | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-07-03-20.02.log.html | 21:01 |
| hub_cap | move chatter to #openstack-trove <3 | 21:01 |
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