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| hub_cap | #startmeeting trove | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 10 20:00:09 2013 UTC. The chair is hub_cap. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 20:00 |
| hub_cap | heyo lets give stragglers some time | 20:00 |
| vipul | \m/ | 20:00 |
| hub_cap | but id like to confine to 1 hr | 20:00 |
| hub_cap | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 20:00 |
| cp16net | \o^ | 20:00 |
| djohnstone | o/ | 20:00 |
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| hub_cap | cp16net: what is that?! | 20:01 |
| djohnstone | he broke his arm | 20:01 |
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| cp16net | haha yeah | 20:01 |
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| hub_cap | cp16net: u broke your arm?!?!? | 20:02 |
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| cp16net | no | 20:02 |
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| SlickNik | o/ | 20:02 |
| hub_cap | coo 100% core is here lets get this rolling | 20:02 |
| imsplitbit | o/ | 20:02 |
| cp16net | but my ascii art did | 20:02 |
| esmute | \o | 20:02 |
| hub_cap | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting <-- already linked in #link so i wont do it 2x | 20:02 |
| * esmute is left-handed | 20:02 | |
| djohnstone | wow | 20:02 |
| djohnstone | wrong window | 20:03 |
| cp16net | esmute: but thats your right hand | 20:03 |
| grapex | o/ | 20:03 |
| hub_cap | #topic Update to Action items | 20:03 |
| vipul | cp16net: good catch lol | 20:03 |
| hub_cap | vipul: did u do any link stuff? cuz i sure didnt | 20:03 |
| esmute | cp16net: I didnt say where i was facing :P | 20:03 |
| SlickNik | yes cp16net: for esmute his left hand is his right hand. | 20:03 |
| vipul | hub_cap: Yes, i fixed most of them | 20:03 |
| hub_cap | GOOD! | 20:03 |
| cp16net | lol | 20:03 |
| hub_cap | did u move pages to /Trove/blah ? | 20:03 |
| vipul | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove | 20:03 |
| vipul | yep, a few remaining at the bottom | 20:03 |
| SlickNik | nice | 20:04 |
| hub_cap | oh did u just fix the ones on that page? | 20:04 |
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| hub_cap | there is a whole slew of reddwarf references | 20:04 |
| hub_cap | if u search for em | 20:04 |
| vipul | Yea just started with the jump off page | 20:04 |
| hub_cap | ok cool | 20:04 |
| vipul | probably need to look closer | 20:04 |
| hub_cap | so u gonan work on it ongoing? | 20:04 |
| hub_cap | #action vipul to keep cleaning up the wiki | 20:04 |
| vipul | #action Vipul to continue to update reddwarf -> trove | 20:04 |
| hub_cap | :) | 20:04 |
| hub_cap | LOL | 20:04 |
| hub_cap | #undo | 20:04 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0x3370290> | 20:04 |
| hub_cap | u like that!!?!? | 20:04 |
| vipul | woah | 20:04 |
| hub_cap | BOOYA | 20:05 |
| cp16net | nioce | 20:05 |
| hub_cap | #undo | 20:05 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0x3370950> | 20:05 |
| SlickNik | w00t! | 20:05 |
| hub_cap | #action Vipul to continue to update reddwarf -> trove | 20:05 |
| hub_cap | there now its proper | 20:05 |
| hub_cap | yours was nicer than mine anyway | 20:05 |
| vipul | so you can keep undoing eh | 20:05 |
| hub_cap | yup | 20:05 |
| hub_cap | prolly undo all of time | 20:05 |
| hub_cap | undo big-bang | 20:05 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: ci job for docs? | 20:05 |
| SlickNik | #redo | 20:05 |
| hub_cap | hows that goin | 20:05 |
| hub_cap | lol SlickNik | 20:05 |
| SlickNik | I looked into it. | 20:06 |
| SlickNik | The job already exists. | 20:06 |
| hub_cap | :o | 20:06 |
| SlickNik | It's just a conf change once we have the docs. | 20:06 |
| hub_cap | sweet | 20:06 |
| hub_cap | so lets get the docs :D | 20:06 |
| grapex | SlickNik: Awesome! | 20:06 |
| SlickNik | I need to write the docs. | 20:07 |
| hub_cap | omg im freezing here | 20:07 |
| SlickNik | Basically the job builds them using sphinx. | 20:07 |
| cp16net | weak | 20:07 |
| hub_cap | i gotta go back in my house, vipul talk about the next action after SlickNik is done. brb 2 min | 20:07 |
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| vipul | k | 20:08 |
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| SlickNik | The format is .rst (same as docutils) | 20:08 |
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| SlickNik | I need to convert our redstack docs to .rst files to have some initial trove dev docs. | 20:08 |
| vipul | cool.. which repo do we push them to | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | brr back | 20:09 |
| imsplitbit | what is brr back? | 20:09 |
| SlickNik | trove/trove-integration? | 20:09 |
| vipul | oh ok.. it's part of our stuff | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | brr is the onomonopia of me being cold | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | and back is im back | 20:09 |
| SlickNik | Yeah, most projects have it in a doc folder in the main project. | 20:10 |
| vipul | it's probably warmer up in seattle than where you at hub_cap | 20:10 |
| hub_cap | thats quite nice SlickNik | 20:10 |
| hub_cap | vipul: im not in the sun. in the sun its perfect | 20:10 |
| hub_cap | anyhoo... lets try to write some docs! | 20:10 |
| SlickNik | So I was thinking of adding it under trove/docs. | 20:10 |
| hub_cap | id say spend some time getting it started | 20:11 |
| hub_cap | so we have a jumping off point | 20:11 |
| SlickNik | #action SlickNik write initial dev docs. | 20:11 |
| hub_cap | and its a smaller barrier to have other people do it | 20:11 |
| imsplitbit | docs good | 20:11 |
| hub_cap | ++ | 20:11 |
| SlickNik | Yeah, I can get it started. | 20:11 |
| hub_cap | so moving on to the next AI | 20:11 |
| SlickNik | And that's good, because it'll let me test the CI job's configuration as well. | 20:11 |
| SlickNik | Cool, moving on. | 20:11 |
| hub_cap | erxactly SlickNik | 20:11 |
| vipul | So I gave the BPs a quick look, and i think we got them all marked | 20:12 |
| hub_cap | vipul: grapex SlickNik and hub_cap need to look @ the blueprints | 20:12 |
| vipul | at least the ones that are in h1 | 20:12 |
| vipul | h2 | 20:12 |
| vipul | i didn't check trove-integration or troveclient | 20:12 |
| hub_cap | ya lets spend some time on em too | 20:12 |
| SlickNik | I checked trove-integration and cleaned up a bunch of bugs (there were no bps) | 20:12 |
| hub_cap | i have let them rot too | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | as a core group we need to keep on em | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | ok moving on | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | seems like thats the rest of the AI's | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | #topic h2-blueprints | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | #link https://launchpad.net/trove/+milestone/havana-2 | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | we have < 7 days till h2 is cut | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | i should have mine done | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | is there anything _not_ on that list that shoudl be? | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | h3 will have some code freeze but it wont affect us till we are out of incubation | 20:15 |
| hub_cap | tap tap tap... is this thing on? | 20:15 |
| SlickNik | Nothing that I can think of that's not on that list that should be. | 20:15 |
| vipul | Add backup volume size to databaseis anyone looking at this? | 20:15 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: as for your comment to my review on the config stuff, i totally agree | 20:15 |
| vipul | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/backup-volume-size | 20:16 |
| vipul | if not, probably should be out of h2 | 20:16 |
| hub_cap | i dont know vipul but i remember it being a problem in us doing impl'ing | 20:16 |
| hub_cap | grapex: do u know if anyone is lookin @ that? | 20:16 |
| hub_cap | robert mightve been.... | 20:16 |
| hub_cap | robertmeyers is out, his baby was born | 20:16 |
| vipul | another one bites the dust :) | 20:17 |
| hub_cap | lol | 20:17 |
| grapex | hub_cap: I'm not sure off hand, which probably means no. :( | 20:17 |
| hub_cap | poop | 20:17 |
| hub_cap | cool then we should move it to h3 | 20:17 |
| SlickNik | hmm…anyone else who might be able to take this on? | 20:17 |
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| hub_cap | i think we are stretched thin @rax currently | 20:18 |
| hub_cap | grapex: would make that call | 20:18 |
| grapex | hub_cap SlickNik: Yeah, lots of people are out at the moment. | 20:18 |
| SlickNik | I'm okay with h3 if it's okay with you grapex / hub_cap. | 20:18 |
| hub_cap | grapex: cool w/ movin it to h3? | 20:18 |
| grapex | And we're dealing with some internal matters... trust me, it sucks. We want to be back out here. In the sunlight. :) | 20:18 |
| vipul | yep, don't think it'll make it in 7 days | 20:18 |
| hub_cap | as in, are u confident no one will touch from rax for a wk | 20:18 |
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| grapex | Right away, one issue I see with that BP I don't think anyone thought of | 20:19 |
| vipul | grapex: yea you guys have been quiet, do come out :) | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | vipul: im never quiet | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | when i have electricity | 20:19 |
| grapex | The disk utilization may not be the size required by the backup | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | grapex: plz add comments to the bp to help make it mo-better | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | ill move it to h3 | 20:19 |
| grapex | Because I've been testing backup stuff lately, you can fill up a volume adding a huge table filled with rows, then drop the table but you don't get that disk space back. | 20:19 |
| grapex | hub_cap: Ok | 20:20 |
| demorris | grapex: the issue is that you have no way to know how big the volume needs to be | 20:20 |
| hub_cap | <3 | 20:20 |
| grapex | demorris: Yeah, even when we're done with the backup there's no good way to check | 20:20 |
| hub_cap | ugh grapex that sounds....fun....... | 20:20 |
| grapex | unless xtrabackup can figure it out for us somehow | 20:20 |
| demorris | either you provide something in the DB that says how big the DB on the instance was, or you have the restore process override and rightsize the volume during the restore | 20:20 |
| demorris | but I am talking about the size on disk before the backup | 20:20 |
| hub_cap | ok lets add thsi stuff to the BP | 20:20 |
| demorris | thats what matters | 20:20 |
| demorris | backups are compressed, etc. | 20:20 |
| demorris | so the size of the backup is meaningless | 20:21 |
| hub_cap | otherwise itll fall in to the aether | 20:21 |
| demorris | right now, its a guessing game | 20:21 |
| grapex | demorris: Size on disk though may be more than you need if you've deleted a lot of stuff. | 20:21 |
| demorris | unless the original instance is around | 20:21 |
| hub_cap | so is that it for them? | 20:21 |
| vipul | yea but we could store the uncompressed size though right? | 20:21 |
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| grapex | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5983814/reclaim-disk-space-after-drop-database-in-mysql | 20:21 |
| SlickNik | demorris / grapex: is the scenario to be able to move from a bigger volume to a smaller one? | 20:21 |
| demorris | grapex: sure, but either way, how do you know how big of a volume you need? | 20:21 |
| grapex | Maybe we should talk about this particular aspect after the meeting? | 20:21 |
| vipul | initially we can require that the new size > than original (reclaimed or not) | 20:21 |
| hub_cap | #topic disk space for backups | 20:22 |
| SlickNik | yeah, might need further discussion. | 20:22 |
| konetzed | vipul: uncompressed size wouldnt work you need size on disk | 20:22 |
| demorris | the scenario is, I take a backup of my database and it gets stored in cloud files | 20:22 |
| demorris | later I want to restore to a new instance... | 20:22 |
| demorris | how big should my volume be? | 20:22 |
| konetzed | can we put up a meta data file for the backup on how large it was on disk at time of backup? | 20:23 |
| hub_cap | did the topic not get changed? | 20:23 |
| hub_cap | am i even online?? | 20:23 |
| vipul | you is | 20:23 |
| konetzed | hub_cap: i see ya | 20:23 |
| hub_cap | hmm thats odd | 20:23 |
| imsplitbit | I see you | 20:23 |
| cp16net | openstack is not on | 20:23 |
| hub_cap | i dont see the topic change | 20:23 |
| konetzed | there was a netsplit | 20:23 |
| cp16net | netsplit al day | 20:23 |
| SlickNik | it didn't get changed. | 20:23 |
| hub_cap | geez netsplit | 20:23 |
| cp16net | the openstack chan op is not here | 20:24 |
| demorris | we also have to consider the behavior here | 20:24 |
| hub_cap | ya i see that hes gone | 20:24 |
| hub_cap | ok so shoudl we discuss this now? | 20:24 |
| hub_cap | we dont ahve a ton of stuff to discuss honestly in the emeting this wk | 20:24 |
| hub_cap | we can make this an official topic | 20:24 |
| demorris | we allow you to specify a volume, so lets say you save the original disk util size in the DB and you use that when doing a create | 20:24 |
| grapex | If we're ok with restores not being able to reclaim space perhaps on a smaller volume, that seems like an easy thing to add | 20:24 |
| hub_cap | aww hell who needs topics lol we are already discussing | 20:24 |
| demorris | hub_cap: exactly :) | 20:25 |
| datsun180b | freenode services are disabled today due to some sort of attack | 20:25 |
| imsplitbit | when *isn't* freenode under attack? | 20:25 |
| grapex | It's because the attackers hate our free(dom)node | 20:25 |
| hub_cap | lol | 20:25 |
| hub_cap | i think grapex is talking xml now | 20:25 |
| grapex | I can implement that one bk blue print | 20:26 |
| grapex | when is the deadline? | 20:26 |
| hub_cap | next tue | 20:26 |
| grapex | hub_cap: Sign me up! | 20:26 |
| demorris | so the BP is missing something | 20:26 |
| SlickNik | demorris / grapex: If you don't need to support the downgrade scenario, the simplest thing to do would be to save the volume size with the backup and ensure that restore happens on a volume at least as big. | 20:26 |
| hub_cap | demorris: that why i said put nots on the bp | 20:26 |
| hub_cap | *notes | 20:26 |
| demorris | if we store this value in the DB, when do you use it? What if I specify a volume size on the create? who wins? | 20:27 |
| hub_cap | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/backup-volume-size | 20:27 |
| vipul | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/percona-xtrabackup/+spec/compact-backups | 20:27 |
| hub_cap | ^ ^ sign yourself up grapex thre are like 3 tim simpsons | 20:27 |
| vipul | looks like teh --compact option might work? | 20:27 |
| demorris | SlickNik: yeah, that could work | 20:27 |
| grapex | SlickNik: Agreed. That's how I'll fix it. If we can think of a fix for that downside issue before next Tue I'll add it | 20:27 |
| imsplitbit | demorris: would you store it in a db or with the backup? | 20:27 |
| demorris | imsplitbit: I don't care where you store it | 20:27 |
| hub_cap | lies demorris u do care | 20:27 |
| hub_cap | do u want it on the list backups | 20:27 |
| hub_cap | if so it needs to be in the db | 20:27 |
| hub_cap | we had this talk already | 20:27 |
| imsplitbit | ok | 20:28 |
| konetzed | i think it would need to be in the db | 20:28 |
| demorris | hub_cap: i see, well I did not realize initially that was limiting that | 20:28 |
| konetzed | so you could get the info for restore | 20:28 |
| imsplitbit | I was more curious from a resilience/dr situation as an ops person how would I know how big the backup was if the db got nixed | 20:28 |
| demorris | what would you call it? Minimum volume size? | 20:28 |
| demorris | sizeOnDisk? | 20:28 |
| hub_cap | we can figure it out | 20:28 |
| hub_cap | lets not get too into it now | 20:28 |
| imsplitbit | np | 20:29 |
| demorris | okay | 20:29 |
| hub_cap | lets let tim get into impl'ing it and he can propose names | 20:29 |
| hub_cap | i prefer size_in_grains_of_rice personally | 20:29 |
| SlickNik | I <3 grapex's anems. | 20:29 |
| imsplitbit | lol | 20:29 |
| hub_cap | ++ SlickNik | 20:29 |
| hub_cap | so just a reminder | 20:29 |
| demorris | as long as we understand the scenario…today we have a guessing game where potentially the users gets to guess on how big the volume needs to be until they get it right... | 20:29 |
| hub_cap | #topic next replication meeting Thursday, 11th July 1 p.m. PST/3 p.m. CST | 20:30 |
| hub_cap | that is all | 20:30 |
| hub_cap | CMON THIS SUX | 20:30 |
| SlickNik | sounds good | 20:30 |
| imsplitbit | what sucks about it? | 20:30 |
| SlickNik | I know, no bot :( | 20:30 |
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| imsplitbit | oh | 20:30 |
| konetzed | bots make everthing better | 20:30 |
| hub_cap | woot | 20:30 |
| imsplitbit | yeah | 20:31 |
| SlickNik | he's back? | 20:31 |
| imsplitbit | #agree | 20:31 |
| hub_cap | #topic next replication meeting Thursday, 11th July 1 p.m. PST/3 p.m. CST | 20:31 |
| vipul | so it's likely this meeting notes are not being captured? | 20:31 |
| konetzed | vipul: i would say no | 20:31 |
| hub_cap | yea prolly not | 20:31 |
| SlickNik | very likely. | 20:31 |
| imsplitbit | vipul: correct | 20:31 |
| hub_cap | :( | 20:31 |
| hub_cap | he prolly died | 20:31 |
| jeblair | actually | 20:31 |
| jeblair | they might be | 20:31 |
| hub_cap | well only 1 way to find out!!!!! | 20:31 |
| jeblair | i think the bot just doesn't have ops to set the channel | 20:31 |
| konetzed | someone can check | 20:31 |
| jeblair | topic | 20:31 |
| jeblair | which meeting is this? | 20:31 |
| hub_cap | ya anyway we have to update that blueprint w/ the stuff we talked about | 20:31 |
| hub_cap | trove jeblair | 20:31 |
| SlickNik | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/ | 20:32 |
| jeblair | yeah http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-07-10-20.00.log.txt | 20:32 |
| jeblair | it's being recorded | 20:32 |
| vipul | cool | 20:32 |
| hub_cap | i think if anyone knows whats goin on w the blueprint, grapex does, so its all good | 20:32 |
| hub_cap | so i didnt have anythign to say about that topic | 20:32 |
| hub_cap | jsut bringing it up | 20:32 |
| hub_cap | moving on | 20:32 |
| hub_cap | #topic Mission stmt finalized | 20:33 |
| hub_cap | no one has sent me any updates | 20:33 |
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| * datsun180b end-zone dances | 20:33 | |
| hub_cap | so im going to send that mission statement out | 20:33 |
| vipul | has it been sent out to ML? | 20:33 |
| hub_cap | not yet | 20:33 |
| imsplitbit | oh I must have missed this | 20:33 |
| hub_cap | i wanted us, as a gropu to update it | 20:33 |
| hub_cap | did we still get no change to topic | 20:33 |
| hub_cap | BOOOOOOOOO | 20:33 |
| vipul | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove | 20:33 |
| hub_cap | jeblair: its broken again me thinks | 20:33 |
| imsplitbit | we have a mission statement now? | 20:33 |
| vipul | it's there | 20:33 |
| imsplitbit | sweet | 20:33 |
| hub_cap | thx for the update jeblair | 20:34 |
| grapex | So wait are we now a Mission or a Program? | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | Program w a mission | 20:34 |
| grapex | I'm holding out until we're a Strike Force. | 20:34 |
| imsplitbit | I'm with grapex on that one | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | u should call your internal team that grapex | 20:34 |
| datsun180b | grapex: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | stroke force delta tacos | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | LOL | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | strike | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | wow talk about a bad misspel | 20:34 |
| SlickNik | lol | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | and yes this meeting _is_ being recorded | 20:35 |
| hub_cap | #topic extensions | 20:35 |
| hub_cap | ps topic changes arent being recorded but thats ok | 20:35 |
| hub_cap | so, we discussed last wk that they were a big ole fail | 20:35 |
| hub_cap | i think that grapex needs to discuss how they are broken currently as well | 20:36 |
| hub_cap | we all know that we need to use stevedore and junk like that eventually | 20:36 |
| hub_cap | but hes got a intermediary problem | 20:36 |
| hub_cap | grapex: care to divulge | 20:36 |
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| grapex | hub_cap: Sure! Is this extensions? | 20:37 |
| hub_cap | yes | 20:37 |
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| imsplitbit | #topic extensions | 20:37 |
| imsplitbit | boo | 20:37 |
| hub_cap | imsplitbit: i already did that | 20:37 |
| hub_cap | its nto working | 20:37 |
| hub_cap | #topic extensions | 20:37 |
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| hub_cap | maybe it is now | 20:37 |
| grapex | So we've noticed that in trove/extensions/ there are a series of Python files which have the same names as the directories | 20:37 |
| hub_cap | jeblair: is on it | 20:37 |
| SlickNik | woot! | 20:37 |
| imsplitbit | I saw openstack joined | 20:37 |
| imsplitbit | thought I'd try | 20:37 |
| hub_cap | imsplitbit: i think only meetin chair can change topic | 20:38 |
| SlickNik | imsplitbit: only the person who started the meeting can change the topic. | 20:38 |
| grapex | so if you try to import the modules in those directories from anywhere other than those particular files it won't work | 20:38 |
| imsplitbit | ah | 20:38 |
| imsplitbit | well fooey | 20:38 |
| grapex | So for example | 20:38 |
| grapex | In many contexts, "from trove.extensions.account import models" fails | 20:38 |
| grapex | because it finds "trove/extensions/account.py" | 20:38 |
| grapex | I was thinking, the several files in trove/extensions could be moved to somewhere else, and then we could just make that the default place for extensions | 20:39 |
| grapex | like maybe | 20:39 |
| grapex | contrib/extensions/account.py, contrib/extensions/mgmt.py etc | 20:39 |
| grapex | Then point the extensions to contrib/extensions, since the current (yucky) way extensions works is file based | 20:40 |
| grapex | Then, we could put any useful classes that are in those bad files such as trove/extensions/mgmt.py's "Mgmt" class into the __init__.py sitting in the folder of the appropriate name | 20:40 |
| vipul | yea that would work.. do we have stuff that needs to go into trove/extensions that is not part of the exisitng API extensions? | 20:40 |
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| grapex | Well at Rax we do. We actually have some billing code which we need a MGMT API extension for. It's all stuff that talks to the Rax system. | 20:41 |
| grapex | So we went to make an extension directory of our own and figured out if we did that we wouldn't be able to import any of the modules sitting in the current extension directory. | 20:41 |
| vipul | Ok, yea i'm fine with it.. | 20:42 |
| SlickNik | I know the extension classes have changed upstream in oslo quite a bit. | 20:42 |
| vipul | we would jsut module extensions in trove/extensions | 20:42 |
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| hub_cap | SlickNik: they dont exist anymore in oslo lol | 20:42 |
| vipul | SlickNik: would it be worth pulling in latest to see if it satisfies what grapex wants to do? | 20:42 |
| SlickNik | Wonder if there are any changes to address this problem that you mention grapex... | 20:42 |
| vipul | hub_cap: oh | 20:43 |
| SlickNik | hub_cap; I think they have plugins now. | 20:43 |
| hub_cap | #link https://github.com/openstack/oslo-incubator/tree/master/openstack/common | 20:43 |
| grapex | vipul: The issue isn't entirely the Oslo extension feature as much as that we have import failures. | 20:43 |
| SlickNik | I don't know how similar or different they are to extensions. | 20:43 |
| hub_cap | whatever they have, its not in oslo as i se it | 20:43 |
| hub_cap | so this is 2 things | 20:43 |
| hub_cap | 1) tim needs to import stuff and cant -- needs to get fixed | 20:43 |
| SlickNik | ah, maybe they took that out too... | 20:44 |
| hub_cap | 2) we need to update extensions, period, and use stevedore | 20:44 |
| hub_cap | he cares less about #2 now | 20:44 |
| grapex | hub_cap: Yes | 20:44 |
| hub_cap | so there will be a small extension refactor i think coming down the line for #1 | 20:44 |
| hub_cap | and then later a big one for #2 | 20:44 |
| SlickNik | I'm okay with moving extensions so that grapex is unblocked. | 20:44 |
| hub_cap | just wanted to make everyone aware | 20:44 |
| hub_cap | grapex: plz BP it ;) | 20:44 |
| grapex | hub_cap: Good summary. | 20:44 |
| grapex | Will do | 20:44 |
| hub_cap | ok thats really it... | 20:45 |
| hub_cap | #topic open discussion | 20:45 |
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| hub_cap | we have 15 min now | 20:45 |
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| hub_cap | i want to reiterate that h2 is < 1 wk away from being cut | 20:45 |
| hub_cap | id love to get the config stuff merged by then *wink wink* | 20:45 |
| hub_cap | and possibly the rpm stuff as well | 20:46 |
| hub_cap | which is still a WIP | 20:46 |
| grapex | hub_cap: I'll try to look at that | 20:46 |
| imsplitbit | well hurry up | 20:46 |
| imsplitbit | :) | 20:46 |
| hub_cap | lol right imsplitbit?!? | 20:46 |
| hub_cap | plz do grapex | 20:46 |
| SlickNik | hub_cap: when's the cut date? | 20:46 |
| hub_cap | im going to use a __metaclass__ thing | 20:46 |
| hub_cap | #link https://launchpad.net/trove/+milestone/havana-2 | 20:46 |
| hub_cap | under Expected | 20:46 |
| vipul | hub_cap: you forgot my topic :P | 20:47 |
| vipul | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/admin-create-restore-backups | 20:47 |
| vipul | i wanted to run this by you guys... | 20:47 |
| hub_cap | oi sry vipul | 20:47 |
| SlickNik | hub_cap: thanks | 20:47 |
| hub_cap | hehe refresh was needed vipul | 20:47 |
| hub_cap | lets talk about that | 20:47 |
| hub_cap | #undo | 20:47 |
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| hub_cap | oops i hop ethat didnt undi the last action | 20:47 |
| hub_cap | fudge lemme go find it | 20:47 |
| vipul | so we'd like to introduce an Admin api to take backups on behalf of customer | 20:47 |
| hub_cap | #action SlickNik write initial dev docs. | 20:48 |
| vipul | I think this will be useful down the road when we do scheduled backups anyway | 20:48 |
| vipul | since we'd want the scheduled backups to be iniated by us | 20:48 |
| hub_cap | vipul: youre a lawbreaker making your own bps | 20:48 |
| vipul | sshhh..don't tell anyone :) | 20:48 |
| hub_cap | hehe | 20:48 |
| imsplitbit | vipul fought the law and the law won | 20:48 |
| hub_cap | i think that a sensible admin api call | 20:49 |
| hub_cap | LOL imsplitbit | 20:49 |
| imsplitbit | agree | 20:49 |
| konetzed | vipul: makes perfect sense to me | 20:49 |
| hub_cap | grapex: seem sensible to u? | 20:49 |
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| vipul | what about the restore use case? | 20:49 |
| vipul | agree to that one as well? | 20:49 |
| hub_cap | i dont see how it would be a bad thing | 20:49 |
| konetzed | vipul: yes | 20:49 |
| grapex | hub_cap: I think so | 20:49 |
| vipul | cool then that was easy | 20:49 |
| hub_cap | ya | 20:49 |
| hub_cap | i mean its admin api | 20:49 |
| SlickNik | vipul: I'm convinced on the scenarios. | 20:49 |
| hub_cap | u can do whateveru want in admin api | 20:49 |
| imsplitbit | I think it is sensible for an admin to take backups and restore them on behalf of users | 20:50 |
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| hub_cap | u could even... dleete a whole host | 20:50 |
| konetzed | hub_cap: pony and shake machine? | 20:50 |
| SlickNik | vipul: the design and implementation may be a bit trickier. | 20:50 |
| hub_cap | god i wish erik was in here for that joke | 20:50 |
| vipul | yup, just making sure it aligned with what we want to do with automated backups | 20:50 |
| hub_cap | konetzed: done | 20:50 |
| redthrux | HAAAA | 20:50 |
| hub_cap | oh he is | 20:50 |
| hub_cap | :) | 20:50 |
| redthrux | HECK YEAH I AM | 20:50 |
| redthrux | where's morris | 20:50 |
| SlickNik | he's here too. | 20:50 |
| hub_cap | nope he was on the bad side of the netsplit | 20:50 |
| SlickNik | (or at least was here) | 20:50 |
| hub_cap | lol | 20:51 |
| konetzed | morris pinged out | 20:51 |
| djohnstone | He had to run home for something. | 20:51 |
| hub_cap | i have approved your BP vipul | 20:51 |
| vipul | sweet <3 | 20:51 |
| hub_cap | ok back to the open conversation | 20:51 |
| hub_cap | anything else anyone wants to discuss? | 20:51 |
| grapex | hub_cap: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/fix-extensions-imports <-- extension stuff | 20:51 |
| grapex | hub_cap: Sure... where do we go when we die? | 20:52 |
| SlickNik | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/fix-extensions-imports | 20:52 |
| hub_cap | plz put series goal and milestone grapex | 20:52 |
| hub_cap | ive approve the direction for that grapex | 20:52 |
| SlickNik | These are h3, I take it? | 20:53 |
| hub_cap | grapex: listen to this and u will know http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Are_We_Not_Horses | 20:53 |
| grapex | hub_cap: Done... I put 2. Too soon? | 20:53 |
| hub_cap | are u doing it? | 20:53 |
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| hub_cap | if u feel confident itll be done / merged in < 1 wk | 20:53 |
| hub_cap | then its not too soon | 20:53 |
| hub_cap | ;) | 20:53 |
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| hub_cap | LOL | 20:53 |
| grapex | hub_cap: Well, pdmars will probably do it. I'll reassign | 20:54 |
| hub_cap | the more stuff the better in h2 | 20:54 |
| hub_cap | itll make us look cool | 20:54 |
| grapex | hub_cap: Is this like at Rax where we get points? | 20:54 |
| hub_cap | yes | 20:54 |
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| hub_cap | http://bittetumirnichtsaberschenll.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/tumblr_lpyxbhxroc1r1rvcno1_5001.gif | 20:54 |
| esp | lol | 20:55 |
| SlickNik | …and so are fez's. | 20:55 |
| esp | I like bow ties | 20:55 |
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| hub_cap | EXACTLY SlickNik | 20:55 |
| konetzed | SlickNik: fez's arnt cool | 20:55 |
| hub_cap | so if pd is working on it grapex i feel confident itll get done in h2 | 20:55 |
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| hub_cap | http://25.media.tumblr.com/53de2142353b6be0fb09cf7be4ca9b7b/tumblr_mnfscjWStQ1s7931jo1_500.jpg | 20:56 |
| hub_cap | anyhoo | 20:56 |
| hub_cap | anyone have anything else to discuss? | 20:56 |
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| hub_cap | weve got a good bit of open reviews so lets spend smoe time reviewing | 20:56 |
| hub_cap | LOL Guest5565 | 20:56 |
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| SlickNik | There are a couple that need rebasing. | 20:56 |
| hub_cap | i saw SlickNik | 20:56 |
| hub_cap | go look @ the reviews youve posted... see if they need rebase | 20:57 |
| hub_cap | plz :) | 20:57 |
| SlickNik | yes, please look if you need a rebase. | 20:57 |
| hub_cap | lets make it a point to cover the reviews in the next day or 2 grapex SlickNik vipul | 20:57 |
| vipul | word | 20:57 |
| hub_cap | id like to get as much merged as possible for our h2 release | 20:57 |
| SlickNik | roger that. | 20:57 |
| hub_cap | and vipul hate to say this but | 20:57 |
| hub_cap | it might be better to wait for h3 to open to merge the oslo stuff | 20:57 |
| hub_cap | juuuuuuuust in case | 20:58 |
| hub_cap | or wait till h2 is cut at least | 20:58 |
| hub_cap | u ok w/ that? | 20:58 |
| vipul | i'll get it to pass | 20:58 |
| vipul | actually the tests passed.. just timed out | 20:58 |
| hub_cap | kk | 20:58 |
| vipul | would be cool if we could get it in sooner, unless thre are other reasons | 20:58 |
| hub_cap | lets chat it offline. i guess its ok for now since we arent official | 20:58 |
| hub_cap | but in the future | 20:58 |
| hub_cap | we need to consider people might be pullnig down these artifacts and using them | 20:58 |
| hub_cap | as opposed to flying w/ trunk | 20:58 |
| hub_cap | so large changes, begin of milestones | 20:59 |
| vipul | sure.. makes sense | 20:59 |
| hub_cap | im coo w/ it for this one | 20:59 |
| hub_cap | ok w/ that | 20:59 |
| hub_cap | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 10 20:59:26 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-07-10-20.00.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-07-10-20.00.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-07-10-20.00.log.html | 20:59 |
| SlickNik | Thanks all | 20:59 |
| vipul | laters | 20:59 |
| SlickNik | later | 20:59 |
| imsplitbit | later | 20:59 |
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| esp | thx | 21:08 |
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