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| sarob | #startmeeting training-manuals | 19:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 15 19:51:27 2013 UTC. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:51 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 19:51 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' | 19:51 |
| sarob | #topic test | 19:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "test (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 19:51 | |
| sarob | foo | 19:51 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 19:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings (alternate)" | 19:52 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 15 19:52:07 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-07-15-19.51.html | 19:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-07-15-19.51.txt | 19:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-07-15-19.51.log.html | 19:52 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting training-manuals | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 15 20:02:46 2013 UTC. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 20:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' | 20:02 |
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| colinmcnamara | colin is here | 20:03 |
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| sarob | hey | 20:03 |
| colinmcnamara | hey, just had lunch w/ Vinay | 20:03 |
| sarob | sweet | 20:03 |
| sarob | you seen the agenda? | 20:03 |
| colinmcnamara | looking now | 20:04 |
| colinmcnamara | k, got it | 20:04 |
| sarob | we can add what ever you desire | 20:04 |
| sarob | just me thoughts to get started | 20:04 |
| colinmcnamara | sounds good to me | 20:05 |
| sarob | #topic what todo exists in the blueprint and what exists in trello | 20:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "what todo exists in the blueprint and what exists in trello (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 20:05 | |
| colinmcnamara | probably want to discuss project structure, what to put in this sprint | 20:05 |
| colinmcnamara | what timebox to put in the sprint | 20:05 |
| sarob | hmm, okay | 20:06 |
| colinmcnamara | sorry, adding to | 20:06 |
| sarob | np | 20:06 |
| colinmcnamara | ok, sorry about disrupting, back on Topic | 20:06 |
| sarob | im thinking about trello being useful for sprint topic org | 20:06 |
| colinmcnamara | agree | 20:07 |
| sarob | communicating with the larger community would be the blueprint and wiki spec | 20:07 |
| colinmcnamara | I think that makes sense | 20:07 |
| colinmcnamara | one issue that I realized | 20:07 |
| sarob | so we just need to find balance | 20:07 |
| colinmcnamara | is that there is overlap between the bug tracking system | 20:07 |
| sarob | some overlap | 20:07 |
| colinmcnamara | and tasks in trello | 20:07 |
| sarob | hmm, shouldnt be | 20:07 |
| sarob | id keep them separate | 20:08 |
| colinmcnamara | I agree, just saying that some people use the bug tracking system as a task tracking system | 20:08 |
| sarob | ahh | 20:08 |
| colinmcnamara | probably not appropriate though | 20:08 |
| sarob | a way to boost your karma perhaps | 20:08 |
| sarob | id like to keep them separate | 20:08 |
| colinmcnamara | I agree | 20:09 |
| colinmcnamara | one thing I do like, is that I can get a visual view of what needs to get done | 20:09 |
| colinmcnamara | and that it is reasonably open | 20:09 |
| colinmcnamara | oh, and when I subscribe I get notifications on my mobile devices, as well as the online tool (I'm always on the go) | 20:09 |
| sarob | so lets write up a para on bugs, trello sprints, and wiki topics | 20:09 |
| sarob | right | 20:10 |
| sarob | add the para to #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Training-manuals | 20:10 |
| sarob | did I really create a page with caps? | 20:10 |
| sarob | argg | 20:11 |
| colinmcnamara | is that a task that we need done? | 20:11 |
| colinmcnamara | doh | 20:11 |
| colinmcnamara | yes you did | 20:11 |
| colinmcnamara | Traning | 20:11 |
| * sarob banging head on the table | 20:11 | |
| sarob | bad sean | 20:11 |
| sarob | moving on | 20:12 |
| sarob | #topic core team members status | 20:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "core team members status (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 20:12 | |
| sarob | i have not found anyone | 20:12 |
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| sarob | that i think should be part of core yet | 20:12 |
| sarob | well other than seanwinn | 20:13 |
| colinmcnamara | what about mestery and mark voelker? | 20:13 |
| sarob | and you :) | 20:13 |
| colinmcnamara | Thx sean ;) | 20:13 |
| sarob | you vote for mark voelker | 20:13 |
| colinmcnamara | I think it would make sense to get some other meetup organizers as core | 20:13 |
| sarob | and kyle mestery | 20:13 |
| * mestery is happy to help and be core here, but is on PTO (and just checking his computer for the moment, honest). | 20:13 | |
| colinmcnamara | yes, I vote for him and kyle | 20:13 |
| colinmcnamara | both ATC's in quantum | 20:13 |
| colinmcnamara | both meetup organizers | 20:14 |
| colinmcnamara | and Voelker is right next to RedHat OpenStack development in RTP | 20:14 |
| colinmcnamara | i'm thinking about who could get engagement outside of just SFbay | 20:14 |
| colinmcnamara | also, we are going to get to a point where we need to have different people deliver the content | 20:15 |
| colinmcnamara | and submit bugs | 20:15 |
| colinmcnamara | the more user groups we can get involved, the better (to a point) | 20:15 |
| colinmcnamara | just my thoughts | 20:15 |
| sarob | mestery: understood | 20:15 |
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| sarob | yeah, i agree we need user group leader representation | 20:16 |
| sarob | i think there are three levels of participation | 20:16 |
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| colinmcnamara | what are the levels? | 20:17 |
| sarob | core would be involved in design and sprints | 20:17 |
| colinmcnamara | ok | 20:17 |
| sarob | sub-core? would be involved in editing content | 20:17 |
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| sarob | user groups/community would be involved in using material and submitting bugs | 20:18 |
| colinmcnamara | that sounds logical | 20:18 |
| sarob | that way we can keep things as is | 20:18 |
| colinmcnamara | effectively structure it similar to a full flegded project | 20:18 |
| sarob | sfbay user group hackathon turns into communicating status | 20:18 |
| colinmcnamara | e.g. core would be quasi PTL and backup | 20:19 |
| sarob | and walking through the material | 20:19 |
| sarob | should | 20:19 |
| sarob | opps, sure | 20:19 |
| sarob | right on | 20:19 |
| colinmcnamara | makes sense, it gets SFbay back on track | 20:19 |
| colinmcnamara | and delivering value that is appropriate for the community | 20:19 |
| sarob | yup | 20:19 |
| colinmcnamara | e.g. next thursday would be (OpenStack basic install and operation beta review - section 1) | 20:20 |
| sarob | i want lots of people to start showing up to the hackathons | 20:20 |
| colinmcnamara | agreed | 20:20 |
| sarob | cause there is value | 20:20 |
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| sarob | moving on to next topic? | 20:20 |
| sarob | #topic docs refactoring impact on training-manuals | 20:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "docs refactoring impact on training-manuals (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 20:21 | |
| colinmcnamara | agreed | 20:21 |
| sarob | opps, im not setting action items | 20:21 |
| colinmcnamara | opps or oops? | 20:22 |
| sarob | whatever ;) | 20:22 |
| colinmcnamara | not sure if opps was some sort of IRC code ;) | 20:22 |
| sarob | so i dont see any problems with the docs refactoring so far | 20:22 |
| sarob | you? | 20:22 |
| colinmcnamara | no, I went through that email threawd | 20:22 |
| colinmcnamara | I think that problems may creep up | 20:22 |
| colinmcnamara | and that we need to ensure the CI system test covereage is sufficient | 20:23 |
| colinmcnamara | I think there is a gap there, based on earlier merge issues | 20:23 |
| colinmcnamara | I was reading up on Maven, and there is a safety check for referenced materials | 20:23 |
| sarob | #action colinmcnamara: monitor infra CI test coverage | 20:23 |
| colinmcnamara | agreed, and that is reflected in a task on trello right now | 20:24 |
| sarob | #action sarob: monitor openstack-docs refactor | 20:24 |
| sarob | moving on | 20:24 |
| colinmcnamara | I think there is another action in there | 20:24 |
| sarob | which? | 20:25 |
| colinmcnamara | I think it starts w/ a question. I know that I am way week on maven | 20:25 |
| sarob | hard stop in 5min | 20:25 |
| colinmcnamara | are you up to speed on Maven enough that you feel we have enough knowlege | 20:25 |
| colinmcnamara | or should we try to rope in an outsider to help | 20:25 |
| sarob | i on the local side yes, we should ping #openstack-infra channel when we have pipeline questions | 20:26 |
| sarob | #action use #openstack-infra for CI test coverage | 20:27 |
| colinmcnamara | agreed | 20:27 |
| sarob | #topic how to stitch docs together if content is not in the same repo | 20:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "how to stitch docs together if content is not in the same repo (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 20:27 | |
| sarob | i want to use the material in the operator and developer guides | 20:27 |
| colinmcnamara | is that also in github? | 20:27 |
| sarob | im thinking to use github.org/openstack/ repo url to stitch the material together | 20:28 |
| colinmcnamara | I think I read in the Maven guide that you can call up class from a higher directory | 20:28 |
| sarob | in addition to the local xml | 20:28 |
| colinmcnamara | exactly | 20:28 |
| sarob | there is no higher dir in the local repo | 20:28 |
| sarob | but url ref to github should work | 20:29 |
| colinmcnamara | I think we need to get one example just for test in the maven pom file | 20:29 |
| colinmcnamara | and then use that to define an archeotype | 20:29 |
| sarob | when the merge happens, the material gets stitched together | 20:29 |
| sarob | as long as the merge process has access, it should work | 20:29 |
| colinmcnamara | putting even more importance on CI coverage | 20:30 |
| colinmcnamara | because the merge may happen later and later, as well as multiple merges in annes queue | 20:30 |
| sarob | i need help on where to pull the material from at the high level | 20:30 |
| sarob | true | 20:30 |
| sarob | gotta run | 20:30 |
| sarob | will tweet some more | 20:31 |
| colinmcnamara | sounds good | 20:31 |
| colinmcnamara | good meeting | 20:31 |
| colinmcnamara | ttyl | 20:31 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 20:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings (alternate)" | 20:31 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 15 20:31:14 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-07-15-20.02.html | 20:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-07-15-20.02.txt | 20:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-07-15-20.02.log.html | 20:31 |
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