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| colinmcnamara | hello | 19:59 |
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| sarob | hey | 19:59 |
| sarob | #startmeeting training-manuals | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 22 20:00:04 2013 UTC. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| colinmcnamara | just zoomed over tehachapi pass and found LTE connectivity #WIN | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' | 20:00 |
| sarob | we have sarob and colinmcnamara present | 20:00 |
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| sarob | who else joins us | 20:01 |
| sarob | #topic who, what is core | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "who, what is core (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 20:02 | |
| colinmcnamara | when I was tagging core in trello | 20:02 |
| colinmcnamara | it was items that were seperate from content | 20:03 |
| sarob | ahh, right | 20:03 |
| sarob | i was thinking core team | 20:03 |
| colinmcnamara | oh, gothca | 20:03 |
| sarob | like def in wiki | 20:03 |
| sarob | does what I put into the the wiki https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Training-manuals | 20:03 |
| sarob | seem the way to defn? | 20:04 |
| colinmcnamara | gotcha, on same page now | 20:04 |
| colinmcnamara | agree | 20:04 |
| colinmcnamara | very accurate actually | 20:04 |
| sarob | okay, coolness | 20:04 |
| sarob | so we what good spread of skills | 20:05 |
| sarob | and commitment to get the the sprint when we schedule it out | 20:05 |
| sarob | 3-4 weeks | 20:05 |
| colinmcnamara | you are suggesting a 3-4 sprint duration? | 20:06 |
| colinmcnamara | and suggesting that the core team manages commitments to deliver in those sprints? | 20:06 |
| sarob | nope, one sprint, 3-5 days, in 3-4 weeks | 20:06 |
| colinmcnamara | I agree with those statements | 20:06 |
| colinmcnamara | ahh | 20:06 |
| sarob | we all get in one room | 20:06 |
| sarob | build on bones we | 20:06 |
| sarob | are putting together now | 20:06 |
| colinmcnamara | for me, those are doable depending on the schedule. I need to get it on the calendar ahead of time though | 20:07 |
| sarob | right me too | 20:07 |
| sarob | so mark voelker | 20:07 |
| sarob | mestery | 20:07 |
| sarob | they are in for that? | 20:07 |
| colinmcnamara | we need to check, now that we have defied the responsibility levels for core | 20:08 |
| colinmcnamara | probably need to layout sub-core (or pick a friendlier name) | 20:08 |
| colinmcnamara | so we can present them with multiple options | 20:08 |
| sarob | outer core | 20:08 |
| sarob | mantle | 20:08 |
| sarob | core mantle crust | 20:09 |
| colinmcnamara | community ? | 20:09 |
| sarob | for what? | 20:10 |
| colinmcnamara | the level below core | 20:10 |
| sarob | so core, community, extended | 20:10 |
| colinmcnamara | that sounds very inclusive | 20:10 |
| colinmcnamara | which is good | 20:10 |
| sarob | okay, i buy that | 20:10 |
| colinmcnamara | this may seem odd, but I love the idea of | 20:11 |
| colinmcnamara | a new user or community organizer | 20:11 |
| colinmcnamara | seeing each level as a step up, and inclusive | 20:11 |
| sarob | sound right to me | 20:11 |
| sarob | so i will update the wiki with the new name for sub-core | 20:11 |
| sarob | #action sarob change sub-core team name to community | 20:12 |
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| sarob | #action sarob: colinmcnamara: get 4 people signed up for core | 20:13 |
| sarob | #action sarob: get 4 people signed up for core | 20:13 |
| sarob | #action colinmcnamara: get 4 people signed up for core | 20:14 |
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| sarob | done with this topic? | 20:14 |
| colinmcnamara | just updated the trello card reflecting 4 | 20:14 |
| colinmcnamara | yes, done | 20:14 |
| sarob | #topic update on getting training published to docs.openstack.org | 20:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "update on getting training published to docs.openstack.org (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 20:14 | |
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| colinmcnamara | I'm looking through my calendar to see the dates that Anne had called out | 20:16 |
| sarob | it looks like we need to update 3 files, manuals.yaml, layout.yaml, and the doc.openstack.org index file | 20:16 |
| sarob | dates for the docs meeting? | 20:16 |
| colinmcnamara | I got that as feedback on my submistion | 20:16 |
| colinmcnamara | let me answer your questions first | 20:16 |
| colinmcnamara | when I pick the review, to patch it | 20:17 |
| colinmcnamara | I'm getting an error, I think because patches were submitted after I branched | 20:17 |
| colinmcnamara | and I need to merge | 20:17 |
| colinmcnamara | I'll be back in the office starting tomorrow morning | 20:17 |
| colinmcnamara | for the next two weeks | 20:17 |
| sarob | okay | 20:17 |
| colinmcnamara | my target is to get it figured out tomorrow morning | 20:18 |
| sarob | i wanted to get training published to docs before this weeks hackathon if possible | 20:18 |
| sarob | so before thursday would be soon enough | 20:18 |
| colinmcnamara | yeah, should be good | 20:18 |
| colinmcnamara | this is my first time going through submitting patches to a review | 20:19 |
| colinmcnamara | you had to figure that out last week right? | 20:19 |
| colinmcnamara | here is the review in question https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37388/ | 20:19 |
| sarob | right | 20:19 |
| sarob | plan is to publish training to doc.openstack.org/grizzly/training | 20:20 |
| colinmcnamara | error I get - Errors running git rebase -i remotes/gerrit/master | 20:20 |
| colinmcnamara | error: could not apply 4e5cf4b... Blueprint - CI coverage for OpenStack Training within OpenStack Manuals https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/training-manuals | 20:20 |
| colinmcnamara | I'll have to change the yaml file to grizzly vs trunk | 20:20 |
| sarob | okay | 20:20 |
| colinmcnamara | but that is simple once I find out what I am borking in the patching workflow | 20:20 |
| sarob | it looks like the build worked, just blair and boylan wanted some changes | 20:21 |
| colinmcnamara | correct. it was good feedback | 20:21 |
| colinmcnamara | it's somethign locally with my setup | 20:21 |
| colinmcnamara | I think I need to rebase manually | 20:21 |
| colinmcnamara | need to whip out the pro-git book to figure it out | 20:22 |
| sarob | i still have issues with rebasing | 20:22 |
| sarob | it fried my local | 20:22 |
| sarob | on monday | 20:22 |
| colinmcnamara | I tried just checking out a fresh repositiory, then checking out the review branch, and ammending | 20:22 |
| colinmcnamara | still nogo | 20:22 |
| sarob | had to blow it all away | 20:22 |
| colinmcnamara | and then it worked? | 20:23 |
| sarob | yup | 20:23 |
| colinmcnamara | I might blow it away again tommorrow morning | 20:23 |
| sarob | we should figure out how to rebase correctly | 20:23 |
| colinmcnamara | and document the workflow | 20:23 |
| sarob | right | 20:23 |
| colinmcnamara | some chapters out of pro-git are in my future | 20:23 |
| sarob | ;) | 20:23 |
| colinmcnamara | http://git-scm.com/book | 20:23 |
| sarob | #action colinmcnamara publish training to doc.openstack.org/grizzly/training | 20:24 |
| sarob | #topic CI test coverage | 20:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI test coverage (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 20:24 | |
| sarob | are you planning on tweaking this separately from above? | 20:24 |
| colinmcnamara | I am just trying to get it to work | 20:25 |
| colinmcnamara | I guess I could just abandon the change, and submit new | 20:25 |
| colinmcnamara | and if I can't figure the workflow out by COB tuesday | 20:25 |
| colinmcnamara | then I will do just that | 20:25 |
| colinmcnamara | I'll submit fresh code, with all of the commentary taken into account as a seperate contribution | 20:26 |
| sarob | okay, i was trying to understand if you merging ci test coverage and publishing into one patch or two | 20:26 |
| colinmcnamara | into one | 20:26 |
| sarob | okay | 20:27 |
| colinmcnamara | it is a statement in the bottom of the section covering openstack-training | 20:27 |
| colinmcnamara | by publish are you saying showing up in the index? or a deep link? | 20:27 |
| sarob | i will continue to work on local clean maven builds so you can run ci maven with validation | 20:27 |
| sarob | right publish | 20:28 |
| colinmcnamara | I just realized that I didnt grab the maven resource declaration chapter that I had read | 20:28 |
| sarob | im fine with an up front link with /grizzly/training | 20:28 |
| colinmcnamara | the reason I bring that up however, is that I need to figure out how to update that site | 20:29 |
| colinmcnamara | I don't think that is updated from Jenkins | 20:29 |
| sarob | if we do that, I will need to add something like a rough draft watermark or something | 20:29 |
| colinmcnamara | or, automatically | 20:29 |
| colinmcnamara | exactly | 20:29 |
| colinmcnamara | and run it by Anne | 20:29 |
| colinmcnamara | I'd hate for a new user | 20:29 |
| sarob | the infra team owns the index file | 20:30 |
| sarob | i remember seeing a patch for it | 20:30 |
| colinmcnamara | to stumble into it, and run down a path and get stuck | 20:30 |
| colinmcnamara | ok | 20:30 |
| colinmcnamara | vs beta's being run through the users groups | 20:30 |
| colinmcnamara | so we can capture feedback, and help people through errors | 20:30 |
| sarob | cant find it again though, looked through repos | 20:30 |
| sarob | prob just a quick question for infra channel | 20:31 |
| colinmcnamara | good point | 20:31 |
| sarob | no action here, covered in previous topic | 20:31 |
| colinmcnamara | great point on the watermark btw | 20:31 |
| sarob | ill see what i can do | 20:32 |
| sarob | #topic review of what goes into trello, wiki, and blueprint | 20:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review of what goes into trello, wiki, and blueprint (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 20:32 | |
| sarob | do you think we have the right stuff in these three places? | 20:33 |
| colinmcnamara | for now | 20:33 |
| colinmcnamara | I think that in a future state our kanban board should be closer linked into the infra systems | 20:33 |
| colinmcnamara | oh, probably want to output the weekly board state | 20:34 |
| colinmcnamara | and either paste it into here | 20:34 |
| colinmcnamara | or put in in the wiki | 20:34 |
| sarob | hmm, that sounds cool | 20:34 |
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| sarob | we are going to need to keep the wiki uptodate | 20:34 |
| sarob | its already too big | 20:35 |
| colinmcnamara | should we put that in the wiki? or the meeting notes? | 20:35 |
| sarob | my thought was the blueprint is our reason for existing | 20:35 |
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| colinmcnamara | ok | 20:35 |
| sarob | but keep it as clean as possible, with patch updates only | 20:36 |
| colinmcnamara | the blueprint page | 20:36 |
| colinmcnamara | ? | 20:36 |
| sarob | wiki defines what the blueprint specification is | 20:36 |
| sarob | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/training-manuals | 20:36 |
| colinmcnamara | agreed | 20:36 |
| sarob | so then the kanban board is our work in progress, plans | 20:37 |
| colinmcnamara | and specifically, a place to manage flow | 20:37 |
| sarob | you and i will need to keep all three as fresh and clean as possible | 20:37 |
| colinmcnamara | and for the team to see what tasks are prioritized and available for pick up next | 20:38 |
| sarob | right | 20:38 |
| colinmcnamara | I was going to bring that up | 20:38 |
| colinmcnamara | basically being a scrum/ban nazi | 20:38 |
| colinmcnamara | e.g. making sure when a patch is merged, that a card is moved | 20:38 |
| sarob | id like to start assigning chapters to the community team | 20:38 |
| sarob | from the board | 20:38 |
| colinmcnamara | me too | 20:39 |
| sarob | i think we are close | 20:39 |
| sarob | we get the pages published | 20:39 |
| colinmcnamara | I envision the community pulling from the story qeueus | 20:39 |
| sarob | get the bones laid out | 20:39 |
| colinmcnamara | and editing the bones that you are laying out | 20:39 |
| colinmcnamara | that way it is a low barrier ot entry | 20:39 |
| sarob | so maybe 20 community members? | 20:39 |
| colinmcnamara | thats pretty big, I'd hope we can grow it that large | 20:40 |
| sarob | 10 core, 20 community, extended=user groups | 20:40 |
| sarob | me too | 20:40 |
| sarob | i figure that we will get active work out of half | 20:40 |
| sarob | week to week | 20:41 |
| colinmcnamara | sounds about right | 20:41 |
| colinmcnamara | would be interesting to use the in person meetups | 20:41 |
| colinmcnamara | to trigger bugs / work | 20:41 |
| colinmcnamara | graph that out | 20:41 |
| colinmcnamara | not really a sprint | 20:41 |
| colinmcnamara | but, similar effect | 20:41 |
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| sarob | #action sarob colinmcnamara continue to keep the wiki, kanban board fresh | 20:42 |
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| colinmcnamara | I'll volunteer to be the kanban nazi | 20:42 |
| sarob | that would be cool to have an weekly activity graph | 20:43 |
| sarob | move on? | 20:43 |
| sarob | #action colinmcnamara will be kanban lead | 20:43 |
| sarob | #topic doc-core update | 20:44 |
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| sarob | so i tried out merging my own patches | 20:44 |
| sarob | kinda wierd and self-serving, but pretty quick | 20:45 |
| sarob | zuul picked it up within minutes | 20:45 |
| sarob | try it, you'll like it | 20:46 |
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| sarob | you were running off a perth au freenode server | 20:48 |
| colinmcnamara | sarob: back. internat access | 20:48 |
| colinmcnamara | really? | 20:48 |
| colinmcnamara | wow | 20:48 |
| colinmcnamara | just auto logged in | 20:48 |
| sarob | now texas | 20:48 |
| colinmcnamara | sitting in a field outside of bakersfield | 20:48 |
| colinmcnamara | first place I could get LTE | 20:48 |
| colinmcnamara | on my drive back from havasu | 20:48 |
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| sarob | all cool, thx for joining | 20:48 |
| sarob | i would have been lonely | 20:49 |
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| colinmcnamara | Definition of core, attends IRC meetings ;) | 20:49 |
| colinmcnamara | even if that means driving 90 MPH over tehachapi pass | 20:49 |
| sarob | right, that good with me | 20:49 |
| colinmcnamara | ok, I have a burnd down chart btw | 20:49 |
| colinmcnamara | and since we aren't really enforcing a sprint right now | 20:50 |
| colinmcnamara | well, it shows inverse | 20:50 |
| sarob | the last time i did that on grapevine it didnt end well | 20:50 |
| colinmcnamara | already had a CHP convo while stopped | 20:50 |
| sarob | so try out your new powers of doc-core | 20:51 |
| sarob | zuul will pick up the build job within minutes | 20:51 |
| colinmcnamara | really? | 20:52 |
| colinmcnamara | wow | 20:52 |
| colinmcnamara | I'm going to add that to my day tomorrow | 20:52 |
| colinmcnamara | as in, once I review | 20:52 |
| colinmcnamara | that it will build and merge? | 20:52 |
| sarob | our powers of rebase will need to be strong | 20:52 |
| colinmcnamara | git jujitsu | 20:52 |
| colinmcnamara | interesting note | 20:52 |
| sarob | as more of us start piling on | 20:52 |
| colinmcnamara | when you think about our journey here | 20:52 |
| colinmcnamara | we are proving the concept that working on Doc's eases a user into contribution workflows | 20:53 |
| sarob | true | 20:53 |
| colinmcnamara | I'm learning new stuff all the time | 20:53 |
| sarob | aob? | 20:53 |
| colinmcnamara | ? | 20:53 |
| sarob | any other business | 20:53 |
| colinmcnamara | oab? | 20:53 |
| colinmcnamara | none | 20:53 |
| sarob | sweet | 20:54 |
| sarob | lets get our new cores/victims in next irc meeting | 20:54 |
| colinmcnamara | agreed. I'll ping you tomorrow re: CI merge | 20:54 |
| colinmcnamara | and see you on thursday? | 20:54 |
| sarob | roger that | 20:55 |
| sarob | ill help with the ci merge, tweet me to get my attention | 20:55 |
| colinmcnamara | thx dude, I appreciate it | 20:55 |
| sarob | if you need it | 20:55 |
| colinmcnamara | probably will. though I'll bang my head up against a wall for the morning ;) | 20:56 |
| colinmcnamara | if thats all, I'll get back on the road | 20:56 |
| sarob | manson real loud helps with that | 20:56 |
| sarob | yup, im done, thanks for your time | 20:57 |
| colinmcnamara | likewise | 20:57 |
| colinmcnamara | signing off | 20:57 |
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| sarob | #endmeeting | 20:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 22 20:57:16 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-07-22-20.00.html | 20:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-07-22-20.00.txt | 20:57 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-07-22-20.00.log.html | 20:57 |
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