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| SergeyLukjanov | savanna team meeting will be here in 5 minutes | 18:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting savanna | 18:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 25 18:06:45 2013 UTC. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'savanna' | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hey everyone! | 18:06 |
| rnirmal | hey | 18:07 |
| ruhe | hi | 18:07 |
| aignatov3 | hallo | 18:07 |
| akuznetsov | hi | 18:07 |
| ivan_berezovskiy | hi | 18:07 |
| NikitaKonovalov | hi | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Red Hat and Hortonworks guys, are you here? | 18:08 |
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| mattf | hi | 18:08 |
| jmaron | hi | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, we have a quorum, let's start | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Agenda | 18:09 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info Savann 0.2.1 release preparations | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info General news/updates | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info Gluster integration steps | 18:09 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info EDP discussions | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info Scalable architecture discussions | 18:10 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Savann 0.2.1 release preparations | 18:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Savann 0.2.1 release preparations (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:10 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | There are several open issues that should be closed to release 0.2.1 version | 18:10 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info [core] image tags validation - https://bugs.launchpad.net/savanna/+bug/1204410 | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | looks like it's near to be merged | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38440/ | 18:11 |
| aignatov3 | hmm, image tags validation already got several approvlas | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info [hdp] convert method - https://bugs.launchpad.net/savanna/+bug/1202663 | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jmaron, could you please write updates on it? | 18:12 |
| jmaron | working on that one. have a potential fix, but internally working thru dev env issues | 18:12 |
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| jmaron | ok | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jmaron, thank you, so, work in progress state | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info [hdp] prepare Centos with cloud-init image | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jmaron, do you now anything about image preparations? | 18:13 |
| jmaron | I know we are putting image creation automation in place. ErikB may be able to provide more info | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ErikB, please | 18:14 |
| jmaron | (he may be on the phone with Ilya) | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'll create an issue to track this activity | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #action Sergey to create an issue to cover image creation for HDP plugin | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info [hdp] update docs - https://bugs.launchpad.net/savanna/+bug/1204178 | 18:15 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | any updates on it? | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jmaron? | 18:15 |
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| jmaron | the plan is to address this shortly. quick question: are you looking for something like https://savanna.readthedocs.org/en/latest/userdoc/vanilla_plugin.html? | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yep, absolutely | 18:17 |
| jmaron | ok | 18:17 |
| ruhe | quick-start guide will be nice too | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's go on | 18:17 |
| jmaron | I'm not sure what a quick-start with respect to plugin would mean | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jmaron, thanks for the updates | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info elements for diskimage-builder looks ready to release | 18:18 |
| aignatov3 | it's up to you the doc content, but some info about hdp plugin is needed | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | are there any thoughts about what should be fixed in elements? | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, ivan_berezovskiy? | 18:18 |
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| ruhe | jmaron, an example hadoop configuration which user would be able to pass to convert method | 18:18 |
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| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, for 0.2.1? nothing urgent comes to mind. | 18:19 |
| ivan_berezovskiy | I think nothing to change | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, yep | 18:19 |
| aignatov3 | great | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | https://bugs.launchpad.net/savanna/+bug/1201794 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/savanna/+bug/1199970 has been already fixed | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thanks | 18:20 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ok, i think that's all that I can remember about preparations for 0.2.1 release | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | are there any thoughts on it? | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's move on | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic General news/updates | 18:22 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info most of the issues has been fixed and all blueprints has been implemented, the overall status of 0.2.1 release preparations is green | 18:23 |
| aignatov3 | Sergey can you shed more light about Savanna branching and backporting? | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yes, sure | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | now the stable/0.2 branch created | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and master is open for 0.3 code | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | there will be some limitations to make migration to new architecture easier | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I hope that will do most of the refactoring in about week | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and it'll be clear to understand in such style code should be writted | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | in depends mostly on db interop | 18:25 |
| mattf | should folks hold off on core changes until that refactoring is done? | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | all patches for 0.2.1 should be merged to the master and then back ported to the stable/0.2 branch | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, we want to avoid 'world lock' for the refactoring stage | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I think that we can do it in background w/o breaking the code | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and it's now very important to start working on EDP and it'll be not good to block it by refactoring | 18:26 |
| mattf | in the case of conflicts, it'll be the responsibility of the team doing the refactor to handle the conflicts? | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we'll check all change requests for compatibility with new db interop and will place comments to make the refactoring easier | 18:27 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, yep, I think | 18:28 |
| mattf | sounds good | 18:28 |
| aignatov3 | thanks guys, I've got your thoughts | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | currently Nikita working on initial refactoring and Dmitry will join him at the next week | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | (nkonovalov and dmescheryakov) | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mm, are there any other updates/news? | 18:29 |
| mattf | 2 from me | 18:29 |
| mattf | i filed a bp about gluster integration | 18:30 |
| mattf | and a bug about fedora packaging | 18:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | great, thank you | 18:30 |
| aignatov3 | +2 | 18:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/savanna/+spec/savanna-in-fedora | 18:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/savanna/+spec/hcfs-gluster-support | 18:30 |
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| aignatov3 | +2 for matt | 18:30 |
| mattf | it'd be nice to target them for 0.3, but that could be optimistic | 18:30 |
| ruhe | mattf, maybe we should post our mail conversation about hcfs to the blueprint? | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, I've already target them to 0.3 because of their improtance | 18:31 |
| mattf | ruhe, i tried to include the relevant pieces from our thread. if i missed something feel free to add it | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, great | 18:32 |
| mattf | fyi, i didn't post anything about native ubuntu packages. someone more familiar with that world should do that instead. | 18:32 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | we are waiting for volunteer :) | 18:33 |
| aignatov3 | I think we should create a separate bp for that | 18:33 |
| mattf | sane approach | 18:33 |
| mattf | ^^ waiting volunteer | 18:33 |
| aignatov3 | and think how and who will do that :)) | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov3, yep, do it please | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #action aignatov to create a blueprint for ubuntu packaging | 18:34 |
| aignatov3 | yes, will do | 18:34 |
| IlyaE | are you referring to ubuntu packaging of Savanna itself or for base images? | 18:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | IlyaE, ubuntu packaging of Savanna | 18:35 |
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| aignatov3 | yep, hust ubuntu packages with Savanna inside | 18:35 |
| IlyaE | ok, I'll have a volunteer for you :) | 18:35 |
| aignatov3 | *just | 18:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, looks like there are no other news or updates | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info qa guys started working on UI tests using webdriver | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Gluster integration steps | 18:37 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, could you please write what steps should be done to integrate with Gluster? | 18:37 |
| mattf | can i refer you to the bp? | 18:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | there are some steps in it | 18:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/savanna/+spec/hcfs-gluster-support | 18:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | are there any questions about them? | 18:38 |
| mattf | that'll be the canonical location for steps and be expanded over time | 18:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, it'll be good to add todo items to the "Work Items" section | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | in future | 18:40 |
| mattf | sure thing | 18:40 |
| rnirmal | this is going to be an optional component right ? | 18:40 |
| mattf | optional in what sense? | 18:40 |
| rnirmal | a deployer decides wether or not to setup gluster | 18:41 |
| mattf | i imagine the image will be built w/ some gluster element and be tagged appropriately when registered | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | rnirmal, yes, sure, it'll be an option to use or not Gluster, it'll be looks like integration with Swift I think | 18:42 |
| ruhe | we'll also need to have this integration in plugins. and in oozie for EDP | 18:42 |
| mattf | so in that sense it would be optional | 18:42 |
| rnirmal | ok think I'm missing some pieces .. suppose it's not similar to swift where you'll have to run a separate service | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | there are 2 use cases that mattf described in bp afaiu - using external Gluster and installing Gluster to Hadoop cluster | 18:43 |
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| rnirmal | ok that's good | 18:43 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's move on | 18:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic EDP discussions | 18:44 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | akuznetsov, please | 18:45 |
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| akuznetsov | I created first draft for REST API implementation | 18:45 |
| akuznetsov | you can see it in gerrit | 18:46 |
| rnirmal | can you link to the docs or etherpad | 18:46 |
| akuznetsov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38627/ | 18:46 |
| ruhe | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/edp_v3_components | 18:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info elements for building images w/ Oozie are in WIP state | 18:46 |
| aignatov3 | another update on EDP: Oozie DIB elements for Vanilla plugin are in progress | 18:48 |
| akuznetsov | we plan to use oozie for Savanna and Hadoop cluster interaction | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | are there any other thoughts about EDP? | 18:49 |
| rnirmal | so EDP is going to use oozie for job management scheduling etc | 18:50 |
| aignatov3 | also I'm playing with plugin code to launch Oozie process like a node process in terms of savanna | 18:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yes, that's our plan for now | 18:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov3, great, looking for the change request from you :) | 18:50 |
| rnirmal | can users run job flows on existing clusters or does it create new clusters ? | 18:51 |
| ruhe | both | 18:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we want to support both flows? | 18:51 |
| ruhe | we want | 18:51 |
| rnirmal | ok so user specifiable is good | 18:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | (oops, the '?' is incorrect) | 18:52 |
| akuznetsov | rnirmal user will choose there to run job on exiting cluster on create a new one | 18:52 |
| aignatov3 | there -> where? | 18:52 |
| rnirmal | cool thanks.. I'll look thru the docs | 18:53 |
| ruhe | in future version we might want to implement/integrate smth like netflix genie | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | rune likes pretty sexy diagrams :) | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ruhe* | 18:54 |
| rnirmal | well aren't both similar | 18:54 |
| ruhe | it's not about diagrams :) | 18:55 |
| rnirmal | ie. EDP and genie in some aspects .. haven't looked at genie in depth | 18:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | (I mean netflix lipstick) | 18:55 |
| ruhe | or twitter ambrose? :) | 18:55 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | yep:) | 18:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, lat's move on | 18:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Scalable architecture discussions | 18:56 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I send an email with BP of new scalable arch | 18:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, thank you for taking a look on it | 18:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I hope that I address all your comments | 18:56 |
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| mattf | i've not gotten to your response yet. i'll hit it later today hopefully. we can chat on irc too. | 18:57 |
| rnirmal | so not sure I totally agree with all the agent comments. | 18:57 |
| mattf | re edp and genie -- there's an interesting opportunity there | 18:57 |
| rnirmal | I'll respond to the email.. we are almost out of time | 18:58 |
| mattf | rnirmal, my comments or SergeyLukjanov's? | 18:58 |
| mattf | ok | 18:58 |
| rnirmal | SergeyLukjanov's and I'll update on mattf's comments | 18:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | the summary is that we want to implement the base part of arch changes - refactor code to be able to run in distributed mode and collect requirements for the right approach - using agents or not and about tasks management too | 18:58 |
| rnirmal | basically I think the agent approach is more scalable | 18:59 |
| rnirmal | yeah agree with splitting out the api db code first | 18:59 |
| rnirmal | no arguments there :) | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | because of the focus on edp and teams bandwidth | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | rnirmal, I think that we should name the current activity something like "the first steps of scaling savanna" | 19:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | it'll be much more cleaner | 19:00 |
| rnirmal | SergeyLukjanov: totally agree.. also I'm just getting caught up with savanna | 19:00 |
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| aignatov3 | guys, let's end and move to the savanna channel if needed | 19:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | because we are now trying to collect info about bottlenecks and requirements | 19:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yep, we are out of time | 19:00 |
| mattf | +1 data driven | 19:00 |
| mattf | thanks all! | 19:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thanks everyone | 19:01 |
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| aignatov3 | thx | 19:01 |
| rnirmal | thanks | 19:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info JFYI you can always use openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org mailing lists and #savanna irc channel to find us and ask your questions | 19:01 |
| jmaron | thx | 19:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 25 19:01:33 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-07-25-18.06.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-07-25-18.06.txt | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-07-25-18.06.log.html | 19:01 |
| mattf | and please add [savanna] because os-dev is a fire hose | 19:01 |
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| rnirmal | will do | 19:02 |
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| markwash | #startmeeting glance | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 25 20:02:03 2013 UTC. The chair is markwash. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
| markwash | hi everybody | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 20:02 |
| rosmaita | hi mark | 20:02 |
| * jbresnah waves | 20:02 | |
| ameade_ | hey | 20:02 |
| zhiyan | \o/ | 20:02 |
| markwash | my apologies if I have seemed or do seem distracted this week | 20:02 |
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| markwash | I caught a bug earlier on, and treatment has kept me a bit spaced-out | 20:02 |
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| jbresnah | Did you file the bug on launchpad? | 20:03 |
| jbresnah | I would be happy to triage it | 20:03 |
| markwash | the broad topic i want us to address during the meeting today is what we expect/plan to accomplish in H-3 | 20:03 |
| markwash | lol | 20:03 |
| markwash | but due to being out sick, I haven't developed a specific agenda | 20:03 |
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| markwash | so lets do a quick once-around-the-room to get agenda items from everyone, to make sure we stick to a sensible structure | 20:04 |
| jbresnah | For h3 i would like to get a patch for storage quota | 20:04 |
| zhiyan | ify, we discussed in last meeting: https://etherpad.openstack.org/glance-havana3-blueprints | 20:04 |
| jbresnah | but that is all i have in mind right now | 20:04 |
| rosmaita | new upload-download workflow recast as "tasks" api | 20:06 |
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| rosmaita | property protections | 20:06 |
| markwash | as an additional item, i think it makes sense to take another look at https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/havana-3 | 20:06 |
| markwash | I wanna talk a little bit about focusing on bug triage and fixes during H-3, so I'll add that to my list as well | 20:07 |
| markwash | okay, I've got 4 items, storage quotas, property protections, task api, and bug triage | 20:08 |
| markwash | anything else? | 20:08 |
| jbresnah | not from me | 20:08 |
| markwash | well, and "other h-3 blueprints" if we have time | 20:09 |
| markwash | okay, rosmaita wanna kick things off with tasks api? | 20:09 |
| zhiyan | i have 3, we discussed yesterday | 20:09 |
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| rosmaita | sure | 20:09 |
| markwash | #topic task api | 20:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "task api (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:09 | |
| rosmaita | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Glance-tasks-api | 20:09 |
| * markwash hands over the mic | 20:09 | |
| rosmaita | the idea is that we can unify import/export/clone in a new uri path | 20:10 |
| rosmaita | for these operations, we will return a "task" resource | 20:10 |
| rosmaita | that you can poll to see what's up | 20:10 |
| rosmaita | eventually you either get success or failure status | 20:10 |
| rosmaita | and the think has an expiration date, so it can be deleted | 20:10 |
| rosmaita | that doc above gives the basic outline | 20:11 |
| rosmaita | it's got links to proposed use for import, export, and clone | 20:11 |
| rosmaita | there was some discussion on the mailing list | 20:11 |
| rosmaita | some people would prefer using the image response for this | 20:11 |
| rosmaita | but i think that's a bad idea, these operations may result in a non-image | 20:12 |
| jbresnah | i missed that discussion on the ML | 20:12 |
| rosmaita | so why clog up the db | 20:12 |
| rosmaita | there's a ref on the above doc if you want to review | 20:12 |
| jbresnah | what is an example non-image? | 20:12 |
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| rosmaita | was a few months back | 20:12 |
| markwash | jbresnah: an image import that fails | 20:12 |
| jbresnah | fair | 20:12 |
| markwash | rosmaita: I agree 100% | 20:12 |
| jbresnah | yeah, i like it to not be an image | 20:13 |
| markwash | I don't want to always use my PTL hat, but I'm putting it on to say no to more complex internal image state | 20:13 |
| rosmaita | i think the current glance people are ok with this | 20:13 |
| jbresnah | why is it v2? | 20:13 |
| jbresnah | as in /v2/tasks | 20:13 |
| nikhil | caz v1 prolly should not support that | 20:13 |
| rosmaita | well, we (as in rackspace) are thinking of only going public with v2 | 20:14 |
| jbresnah | the task portion seems like a new API all together ot me | 20:14 |
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| jbresnah | currently v1 v2 ar efor image handing, and now there is new API for tasks | 20:14 |
| markwash | rosmaita: thanks for the overview, this looks good to me, is there a best place for folks to provide more feedback? | 20:14 |
| jbresnah | but very minor point | 20:14 |
| jbresnah | just caught my eye | 20:14 |
| jbresnah | API-wise i think that is great | 20:14 |
| jbresnah | i would like to hear about some impl details and architecture | 20:14 |
| rosmaita | don't have a feedback point, what would be best to use? | 20:15 |
| rosmaita | don't think there's much impl details yet, been working on the api mostly | 20:15 |
| rosmaita | there are implied details in the individual docs, though | 20:15 |
| markwash | I don't really want to trigger another internal vs external state discussion honestly, but I guess the ML is still best | 20:15 |
| rosmaita | ok, i will post after the mtg | 20:15 |
| rosmaita | and hope for the best | 20:15 |
| markwash | rosmaita: one thing I want to make sure you know, is that there are some other folks outside of your org interested in working on this | 20:16 |
| rosmaita | that is good news | 20:16 |
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| markwash | in particular I know flwang is interested in some of the implementation details, and he and I have had some discussions | 20:16 |
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| markwash | rosmaita: how much of this are you imagining will be done for H-3 at this point? | 20:16 |
| nikhil | markwash: rosmaita yeah flwang and I had a chat | 20:17 |
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| markwash | nikhil: oh good :-) | 20:17 |
| nikhil | markwash: he seemes to be of the opinion that everone is on design phase | 20:17 |
| jbresnah | i would like to work on it as well (i have some reasons to want this as well) | 20:17 |
| nikhil | not sure how far along are you both on that one | 20:17 |
| rosmaita | i think a preliminary implementation, e.g., import with just 1 file format conversion | 20:17 |
| jbresnah | tho i am not sure i will be able to in the h3 time | 20:17 |
| rosmaita | same for export | 20:17 |
| nikhil | jbresnah: i mentioned it to him that you might be interested too | 20:17 |
| rosmaita | not sure about cloning, TBH | 20:17 |
| markwash | with rosmaita's recent work, i think we're at a great state in terms of the API design | 20:18 |
| * rosmaita blushes | 20:18 | |
| markwash | there are some details to be worked out internally, but I think we can iterate on that pretty safely | 20:18 |
| nikhil | jbresnah: just based on our old discussion | 20:18 |
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| jbresnah | nod | 20:18 |
| markwash | rosmaita: okay, so up to "import" with a simple conversion step for H-3? | 20:18 |
| jbresnah | i am very interested in what it would take to add a new backend task | 20:19 |
| nikhil | markwash: would like to sync up with you on cloning bp after the meeting | 20:19 |
| nikhil | if you'r free for a few mins? | 20:19 |
| rosmaita | markwash: i think so | 20:19 |
| markwash | nikhil: not sure yet, but sometime soon for sure | 20:19 |
| rosmaita | definitely import, possibly export too | 20:19 |
| nikhil | jbresnah: +1 | 20:19 |
| markwash | okay, jbresnah wanna move on to talking about storage quotas? | 20:19 |
| nikhil | markwash: will send an email | 20:19 |
| jbresnah | sure | 20:19 |
| markwash | #topic storage quotas | 20:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "storage quotas (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:19 | |
| jbresnah | I am working through a patch to do something very simple | 20:20 |
| jbresnah | just enforce a maximum allowed storage usage across all storage systems | 20:20 |
| jbresnah | for now the quota would be set as a single value in conf and apply to all users | 20:20 |
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| jbresnah | the idea being that when keystone has more sophisticated ways of setting user based quota information taht the value will come from a keystone query | 20:21 |
| jbresnah | but the enforcement code will all be the same | 20:21 |
| markwash | sounds pretty straightforward | 20:21 |
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| markwash | I was a bit meh on quotas earlier in the cycle, but this sounds reasonable to me | 20:21 |
| jbresnah | yeah not much to it | 20:21 |
| jbresnah | oh, and i was thinking of only putting it into v2 as well | 20:22 |
| jbresnah | at leastfor the first patch | 20:22 |
| jbresnah | to keep it small and easier to review | 20:22 |
| jbresnah | how does that sound? | 20:22 |
| markwash | jbresnah: sounds like something that could be easily done in H-3, do you just wanna take feedback on the patch? or do folks need a way to talk this out more before you finish the impl? | 20:22 |
| jbresnah | yeah h3 | 20:22 |
| jbresnah | i am good with just getting feedback on the patch | 20:23 |
| jbresnah | unless people are fully against the idea | 20:23 |
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| jbresnah | in which case i would like to know sooner | 20:23 |
| markwash | anybody worried about just giving feedback on the patch? I assume the default setting is "no limit" so it shouldn't be too binding | 20:23 |
| jbresnah | right | 20:23 |
| zhiyan | i just think how it work in multiple-location context | 20:24 |
| jbresnah | each location counts against the quota | 20:24 |
| zhiyan | you mean 'each store'? | 20:24 |
| markwash | that is an interesting question | 20:24 |
| jbresnah | right | 20:25 |
| jbresnah | it is about total usage | 20:25 |
| markwash | if I use my own swift account, and add a location from it, does that count against my shared storage quota? | 20:25 |
| jbresnah | i could imagine a later patch putting quota on a per-storage system basis | 20:25 |
| jbresnah | markwash: for this yes | 20:25 |
| markwash | okiedokie, let's keep thinking about it but I think we can still just look at the patch | 20:26 |
| markwash | can I move on to bug triage? | 20:26 |
| zhiyan | i'd like check details from patch for that. | 20:26 |
| jbresnah | nod | 20:26 |
| zhiyan | pls | 20:26 |
| markwash | #topic bug triage in H-3 | 20:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug triage in H-3 (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:26 | |
| markwash | since we pretty much can't merge anymore after H-3, I think it makes sense to make a few passes through the bug list to try to fix anything critical | 20:26 |
| markwash | so all I'm really asking is for core folks to devote a little extra time to bug management during the next months | 20:27 |
| markwash | after we do some triage, it might make sense to have an actual "bug squash" day, but let's hold off | 20:27 |
| jbresnah | yeah that sounds like a reasonable request | 20:27 |
| ameade_ | markwash: oh hey just thought about the mox thread on the ML, should we talk about that? | 20:28 |
| markwash | ameade, added to list | 20:28 |
| markwash | okay, I think that's all from me | 20:28 |
| markwash | rosmaita, wanna move on to prop protections? | 20:29 |
| rosmaita | ok, so here's something to look at: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Glance-property-protections-product | 20:29 |
| markwash | #topic property protections | 20:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "property protections (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:29 | |
| rosmaita | so the above is a "product" approach, it's kind of self-explanatory, would appreciate feedback | 20:30 |
| rosmaita | anyway, i think we're ready here to start work on this tomorrow | 20:30 |
| markwash | okay, cool, so H-3 feels good? | 20:30 |
| rosmaita | definitely | 20:30 |
| markwash | one note on the FAQ, you suggest that communication about the protections would be out-of-band | 20:31 |
| markwash | but could we also use the schema to communicate those restrictions? | 20:31 |
| markwash | maybe some restrictions are supposed to be 'secret' though. . . | 20:31 |
| rosmaita | that's what i was thinking | 20:31 |
| rosmaita | the nonreadable properties | 20:31 |
| jbresnah | rosmaita: recently we added a notion of "meta data" on storage system locations | 20:31 |
| jbresnah | i would be great if these protection mechanisms could apply there as well | 20:32 |
| rosmaita | ok, will have to look | 20:32 |
| rosmaita | not sure about h-3 for that though | 20:32 |
| markwash | hmm, jbresnah would you buy that as a second pass? it sounds like it might be hard to do at first | 20:32 |
| jbresnah | yeah, also i can make that my problem | 20:33 |
| rosmaita | once we get it right for image properties, might not be hard to port to location | 20:33 |
| markwash | jbp - jbresnah's problems | 20:33 |
| jbresnah | just keep me abreast of whats up | 20:33 |
| jbresnah | heh | 20:33 |
| rosmaita | ok | 20:33 |
| jbresnah | 99 jbps but protection aint one? | 20:33 |
| jbresnah | ...i probably should have gone with properties there | 20:34 |
| markwash | rosmaita: have you heard any more from smclaren about property protections, do you think most folks are on board? | 20:34 |
| markwash | haha | 20:34 |
| markwash | jbresnah: careful, we'll quote that in a court in sweden and then you'll have to learn a lot about extradition law | 20:34 |
| rosmaita | markwash: have not heard more, will contact him to ask | 20:34 |
| rosmaita | not sure if he saw your comments on the etherpad | 20:35 |
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| jbresnah | heh | 20:35 |
| rosmaita | should i send out a mailing list item on property protections? | 20:35 |
| markwash | sounds good, some sort of stub for more feedback | 20:35 |
| rosmaita | ok, will do | 20:35 |
| markwash | all right, one more from me | 20:35 |
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| markwash | #topic other havana-3 blueprints | 20:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "other havana-3 blueprints (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:36 | |
| markwash | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/havana-3 | 20:36 |
| markwash | we need to take a very realistic view of these to try to keep our promises this time around | 20:36 |
| markwash | if you're assigned there, and think there's any chance your bp won't make it for H-3, talk to me and see what we can do to either pare down scope, or push off to I | 20:36 |
| jbresnah | 2 - 3 seem to be all about the task work, is that right? | 20:37 |
| markwash | some of those we already covered a bit in this meeting, so I"ll be updating based on my notes later today | 20:37 |
| markwash | I should also add I'm still very happy about what we delivered in H-2 | 20:38 |
| zhiyan | markwash: do you think we can talk about 'global state machine to maintain image status'? or discussing that later when i start do that? | 20:38 |
| markwash | zhiyan: looks like we should have time | 20:38 |
| markwash | #topic mox thread | 20:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "mox thread (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:38 | |
| markwash | ameade, take the lead | 20:38 |
| ameade_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-July/012474.html | 20:39 |
| markwash | also can I get a link on that? I'm not up to speed | 20:39 |
| markwash | yes! | 20:39 |
| markwash | read my mind! | 20:39 |
| ameade_ | basically mox isn't python3 compatible | 20:39 |
| ameade_ | I think we shoudl do both things chuck suggests there | 20:39 |
| ameade_ | #2 is the quick solution and we can also slowly phase out mox | 20:39 |
| markwash | I would like to see if we can slowly move towards mock | 20:40 |
| markwash | mostly because I tend to like the tests it results in a bit better | 20:40 |
| ameade_ | +1 | 20:40 |
| ameade_ | russell sent an email about this | 20:40 |
| ameade_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-July/012484.html | 20:40 |
| jbresnah | ameade: just reading that email i would say pymox sounds perfect | 20:40 |
| jbresnah | but i wonder what the rest of the debate is | 20:40 |
| markwash | so maybe we port to pymox, and set up a policy that says "no more mox" ? and try to enforce that in review? | 20:40 |
| ameade_ | +1, the first part of that is the important part, just want to make sure everyone is aware | 20:41 |
| markwash | apparently I'm walking the same path russellb has paved | 20:41 |
| esheffield | markwash: are you saying existing mox -> pymox but new tests should use mock? | 20:41 |
| jbresnah | in glance there are only a handful of mox tests | 20:41 |
| jbresnah | so this should not be so hard | 20:41 |
| markwash | esheffield: something like that, if folks don't hate the idea too much :-) | 20:41 |
| jbresnah | markwash: i would go further and say pick the right one and port the tests | 20:42 |
| jbresnah | just because glance does not have that many mox tests | 20:42 |
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| markwash | jbresnah: +1 if that's easy enough | 20:42 |
| markwash | I can't say I can do all the porting required, but if someone can I'd be eager to review and approve | 20:42 |
| jbresnah | markwash: did i just dig myself a hole? | 20:42 |
| markwash | :-) | 20:42 |
| jbresnah | i can be involved | 20:43 |
| jbresnah | do some porting | 20:43 |
| jbresnah | and reviewing | 20:43 |
| markwash | jbresnah: let's just say someone can opt-in to porting all the tests :-) | 20:43 |
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| markwash | #topic global state management | 20:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "global state management (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:43 | |
| markwash | zhiyan can you help me understand what kind of changes you mean here? I'm still a little lost | 20:44 |
| ameade_ | dibs! i'll port glanceclient to mock | 20:44 |
| zhiyan | we just have concern about consistent image status management in multiple-locations patchs. | 20:45 |
| jbresnah | zhiyan: that seems like a big change to me | 20:45 |
| zhiyan | so for that maybe we need extract those code from controller layer to a dedicated/common place | 20:46 |
| jbresnah | zhiyan: i honestly dont see it happening to glance at this stage in its life | 20:46 |
| zhiyan | jbresnah: yes, probable | 20:46 |
| markwash | zhiyan: I think I can see what you're saying then, I'd actually like to see the domain model restructured a bit to move all status updates into glance/domain/__init__.py | 20:46 |
| jbresnah | maybe, but it would be neccessarily disruptive. | 20:46 |
| markwash | there are some challenges presently to doing that | 20:46 |
| markwash | this is honestly the kind of refactoring that I'd really like to see happen in between H-3 and the I summit | 20:46 |
| jbresnah | dont take my negativitly wrong tho, i would love to see it happen | 20:47 |
| jbresnah | markwash: yeah probbly best to have ti at the beginning of a cycle then the end | 20:47 |
| jbresnah | but at the same time, i am reminded of netscape re-writing its code base | 20:48 |
| zhiyan | markwash: ok, i think so. i can think about it to get a draft idea later, and discuss with team, then to start it. | 20:48 |
| jbresnah | and the advice i once got that 'all software sucks' | 20:48 |
| markwash | zhiyan: that might also free up more time for you to focus on some of your other bps, and in other projects where there might be some headwinds | 20:48 |
| jbresnah | i fear such a change could be more disruptive than helpful | 20:48 |
| markwash | jbresnah: I think its less code than you're thinking | 20:48 |
| jbresnah | markwash: ok cool | 20:48 |
| markwash | but not sure I have the same picture in my mind as others | 20:48 |
| jbresnah | markwash: if so then i am all about it | 20:48 |
| markwash | okay, I think we've got a good bit for open discussion | 20:49 |
| markwash | #topic open discussion | 20:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:49 | |
| * markwash hopes he didn't miss anything! | 20:49 | |
| zhiyan | markwash: do we have plan in h3 to update glanceclient to get fully v2 api support? | 20:49 |
| markwash | oh man that is a good topic | 20:49 |
| jbresnah | if people have a chance please checkout this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38606/ | 20:49 |
| jbresnah | flavio fixed a bug that was hurting me | 20:49 |
| jbresnah | it is pretty straight forward | 20:49 |
| markwash | zhiyan: we really need that, and I think esheffield has some existing work on it | 20:50 |
| markwash | esheffield: does that sound correct? | 20:50 |
| jbresnah | zhiyan: +1 | 20:50 |
| jbresnah | i would like to have that too | 20:50 |
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| esheffield | yes, I have a couple of patches out, and the Thoughtworks team we're working with have done some work as well | 20:50 |
| markwash | great, esheffield please feel free to keep contacting me directly to keep me on task for the reviews | 20:51 |
| zhiyan | esheffield: markwash: thanks for the update. yesterday cinder folks ask me again. | 20:51 |
| esheffield | Sure thing | 20:51 |
| esheffield | The changes I have out are for create https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35504/ | 20:51 |
| esheffield | and upload https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38359/ | 20:51 |
| markwash | fantastic | 20:52 |
| markwash | well, sounds like we might have dried up on open discussion topics | 20:53 |
| zhiyan | an other one from me is that: do you think it will be better if we move some properties from image level to image location's level? such as 'is_public' is good for a particular location since currently we have multiple locations for an image? | 20:53 |
| esheffield | the cli side will take a bit more work, but I think the library side of this is pretty close | 20:53 |
| markwash | nm | 20:53 |
| jbresnah | zhiyan: on the surface that makes sense | 20:53 |
| markwash | zhiyan: in general, yes we need to move some things down to the location | 20:53 |
| markwash | I wonder if status could actually move there too | 20:54 |
| markwash | or some portion of it | 20:54 |
| zhiyan | nod | 20:54 |
| markwash | like pending delete, or saving | 20:54 |
| zhiyan | we be we can think about it also, and discussing on this summit too | 20:54 |
| jbresnah | gotta be careful with backward compat in wire protocol | 20:54 |
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| markwash | is it time for us to rewrite glance as a protobuf rpc service in go? | 20:55 |
| jbresnah | heh | 20:55 |
| ameade_ | yes long overdue | 20:55 |
| zhiyan | markwash: do you think so? | 20:55 |
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| markwash | zhiyan: :-) only a little | 20:55 |
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| zhiyan | sorry, i think it's worth thing, or say under multiple-location situation, some properties should belong with location but image... | 20:56 |
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| markwash | zhiyan: oh sorry thought you were asking about my protocol buffers and go comment | 20:57 |
| markwash | :-) | 20:57 |
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| jbresnah | zhiyan: i agree with you | 20:57 |
| markwash | zhiyan: definitey +1 for moving the appropriate properties down to locations | 20:57 |
| jbresnah | that should probably be a new bp | 20:57 |
| markwash | I think that's going to be a big improvement | 20:57 |
| jbresnah | and put through those paces | 20:57 |
| markwash | it might be hard to do with the proper backwards compat, but I think it can be done to some degree | 20:58 |
| zhiyan | markwash: do you think it should happen in h3? | 20:58 |
| markwash | zhiyan: I'm not worried about that right away | 20:58 |
| markwash | I'd love to see a strong definition of what's needed, so we can hammer away at it during the summit | 20:58 |
| jbresnah | +1 | 20:58 |
| zhiyan | so, i think we can discussing it in summit...and make it in I? | 20:58 |
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| markwash | sounds good to me | 20:58 |
| jbresnah | . o O ( Tho I wont be at the summit <tears> ) | 20:58 |
| zhiyan | great! | 20:58 |
| zhiyan | jbresnah: don't worry, i will think about how to involve you in | 20:59 |
| iccha | if the internet works :) | 20:59 |
| zhiyan | and hope you can get there. :) | 20:59 |
| markwash | jbresnah: can't you just take a boat? | 20:59 |
| jbresnah | markwash: you would think i could, i am not all that far | 21:00 |
| markwash | okay, i got another meeting, thanks everybody! | 21:00 |
| markwash | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings (alternate)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 25 21:00:54 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-07-25-20.02.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-07-25-20.02.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-07-25-20.02.log.html | 21:01 |
| rosmaita | bye! | 21:01 |
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