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| dkoryavov | Hello folks! | 15:00 |
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| katyafervent | Hi! | 15:01 |
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| IgorYozhikov | /me say hi :) | 15:02 |
| sergmelikyan | Hi :) | 15:03 |
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| IgorYozhikov | :) | 15:03 |
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| dkoryavov | So, Murano Team, let's start our meeting? | 15:03 |
| gokrokve | Hi. Yes. Let's do. | 15:04 |
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| dkoryavov | Agenda is (traditionnaly) is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda | 15:04 |
| dkoryavov | #startmeeting murano | 15:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 12 15:05:06 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dkoryavov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 15:05 |
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| dkoryavov | We have several action items from the previous meetings. | 15:06 |
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| dkoryavov | dmyznikov akuzetsova and timur moving critical bugs to launchpad. | 15:07 |
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| dkoryavov | dmyznikov akuznetsov what about this action item? | 15:08 |
| dkoryavov | tnurlygayanov ? | 15:08 |
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| tnurlygayanov | we moved critical bugs to launchpad today... | 15:09 |
| dkoryavov | tnurlygayanov with info tag please :) | 15:09 |
| dkoryavov | slagun stanlagun rite blueprint that says that we need SaltStack automatic installation as a workflow example and suspend this blueprint till we know exactly how agents in vNext are going to be implemented | 15:10 |
| dkoryavov | slagun what about this action item? | 15:10 |
| tnurlygayanov | [info] #info we moved critical bugs to launchpad today... | 15:10 |
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| dkoryavov | OK, we have only 3 weeks before the release (v0.2). | 15:12 |
| dkoryavov | It is time to think about stabilization. :) | 15:13 |
| gokrokve | That is exactly threse 3 weeks. We have all features implemented and committed. | 15:14 |
| ativelkov | do we have all required 0.2 features ready by now? | 15:14 |
| dkoryavov | AFAIK, this blueprint is implemented? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/ssl | 15:14 |
| slagun | yes | 15:15 |
| gokrokve | And all others. We need to make sure that our blueprints are procesed correctly. I see that some of them are unassined to the series and have no approved status. | 15:16 |
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| dteselkin | By the way, we've fully implemented the 'MS SQL 2012 Single instance support' (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/sql-server-single-instance) | 15:18 |
| ativelkov | that's great | 15:18 |
| ativelkov | what about cluster? Did Stan's fix to rule Muting help? | 15:18 |
| dkoryavov | Well it is nice to see. | 15:18 |
| gokrokve | Just updated its status. | 15:20 |
| gokrokve | Let's pay attentions to the processes. We need to maintain this at high level. | 15:20 |
| dteselkin | We haven't test this fix yet, as we are in process of moving PS scripts to conductor. As soon it is done, we will test it. | 15:21 |
| dkoryavov | dteselkin then, give the corresponding status for the blueprint please. | 15:21 |
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| gokrokve | We have a new contributor Chad Bernick. He wants to participate in powershell scripts development. | 15:22 |
| gokrokve | Dmitry, please do a quick sync up with him and describe how it is organized in Murano. | 15:22 |
| dkoryavov | #info We've fully implemented all blueprints for v0.2. | 15:22 |
| dkoryavov | #info We have a new contributor Chad Bernick. He wants to participate in powershell scripts development. | 15:23 |
| dteselkin | Ok, please send us his contact. | 15:23 |
| dkoryavov | #action item dteselkin will be a mentor for Chad Bernick. | 15:24 |
| dteselkin | For now, all PS scritps and worflows are done to support SQL Cluster. We are testing it. | 15:25 |
| dkoryavov | slagun what about blueprint? | 15:25 |
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| dteselkin | #info For now, all PS scritps and worflows are done to support SQL Cluster. We are testing it. | 15:25 |
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| slagun | I've updated SaltStack blueprint | 15:26 |
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| gokrokve | We have to start submitting blueprints for the next release. | 15:27 |
| gokrokve | Team, please think what is required to improve Murano and etend its functional. Convert your idea to a blueprint and submit it. | 15:28 |
| dkoryavov | It would be very nice if we will have a screencast for Murano v0.2. | 15:28 |
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| gokrokve | Its mandatory. We need to create it during this week. | 15:29 |
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| dkoryavov | Shall we submit a blueprint for this? :) | 15:29 |
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| gokrokve | No. This is a task, not a new feature. | 15:29 |
| dkoryavov | ОК. | 15:29 |
| ativelkov | gokrokve - this is controversary to what we have heard before | 15:30 |
| gokrokve | I think Timur can create meaningfull demo scenario and Alex Tivelkov can narrate a text. | 15:30 |
| ativelkov | I mean thinking about improvements and and extending of Murano | 15:30 |
| ativelkov | because Improvements and Extending is what we suggested for vNext | 15:31 |
| gokrokve | Its not a development, it is just a blueprint submission. | 15:31 |
| tnurlygayanov | ок | 15:31 |
| ativelkov | so, you want us to submit our vNext ideas as blueprints? | 15:31 |
| gokrokve | There is a difference between what should be doen and how should be done. | 15:31 |
| gokrokve | Do this in abstract way. Do not enforce exact architecture. | 15:32 |
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| gokrokve | Like "We need dynamic UI". UI Should be described in plain text.... | 15:32 |
| ativelkov | ok | 15:33 |
| dkoryavov | #idea "We need dynamic UI". UI Should be described in plain text.... | 15:33 |
| gokrokve | It was not an idea. It was an example how to write an abstract feature description. | 15:34 |
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| gokrokve | Without referencing exact implementation. | 15:34 |
| dkoryavov | I think it is a good idea. :) | 15:34 |
| gokrokve | Implementation may change in a time, but the idea is not. | 15:34 |
| gokrokve | Any other questions? | 15:35 |
| gokrokve | We run out of time. | 15:35 |
| dkoryavov | No, i think not. | 15:36 |
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| dkoryavov | So, let's stop our meeting? Do we have any questions to discuss? | 15:36 |
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| dteselkin | The last thing to implement is Windows 2008 support. Our build system supports it, but it is not fully integrated with our workflows. | 15:37 |
| dkoryavov | ouch... | 15:37 |
| dkoryavov | slagun ? | 15:37 |
| slagun | We do support Windows 2008 | 15:38 |
| dkoryavov | dteselkin what time we need to fully implement this blueprint? | 15:38 |
| slagun | At least at conductor | 15:38 |
| slagun | But we don't have any Win2008-specific logic | 15:39 |
| dteselkin | We need to alter PS scrips because currently we use some functions that are available on 2012. | 15:40 |
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| dteselkin | I think one month should be enough. | 15:41 |
| dkoryavov | #info We need to alter PS scrips because currently we use some functions that are available on 2012. | 15:41 |
| dkoryavov | dteselkin we have no time to do this… | 15:41 |
| dkoryavov | we have only 3 weeks. | 15:41 |
| dkoryavov | then, maybe we should to create an another blueprint and implement current blueprint in minimal form? | 15:43 |
| dteselkin | It looks a good idea. | 15:43 |
| dkoryavov | dteselkin OK, please do this before the next meeting. | 15:44 |
| dkoryavov | Do we need any questions to discuss? ativelkov gokrokve slagun tnurlygayanov sergmelikyan katyafervent ? | 15:45 |
| katyafervent | No, everything's clear | 15:46 |
| dkoryavov | Then, let's stop our meeting. | 15:46 |
| dkoryavov | #endmeeting | 15:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 12 15:46:33 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-08-12-15.05.html | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-08-12-15.05.txt | 15:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-08-12-15.05.log.html | 15:46 |
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| oz_akan_ | hi | 16:01 |
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| kgriffs | o/ | 16:03 |
| flaper87 | \o/ | 16:03 |
| cppcabrera | :) | 16:03 |
| megan_w | hi everyone | 16:03 |
| malini | oyyy!! | 16:03 |
| ametts | \\o// | 16:04 |
| ametts | (I'm limber) | 16:04 |
| flaper87 | ametts: duuuude | 16:04 |
| cppcabrera | :P | 16:04 |
| megan_w | haha | 16:04 |
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| zyuan_ | ametts: the deserialized checking is already included in my patch, just i don't have it on queues yet | 16:04 |
| kgriffs | ok folks | 16:04 |
| kgriffs | let's get this party started | 16:04 |
| flaper87 | ametts: http://acimg.auctivacommerce.com/imgdata/0/1/9/3/9/7/webimg/2900229.jpg ? | 16:04 |
| kgriffs | #startmeeting marconi | 16:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 12 16:04:57 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kgriffs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 16:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'marconi' | 16:05 |
| flaper87 | \o/ | 16:05 |
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| flaper87 | toc toc ? | 16:06 |
| kgriffs | let me pull up the agenda | 16:06 |
| flaper87 | :D | 16:06 |
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| kgriffs | any actions from last time? | 16:06 |
| flaper87 | Yeah, there were a couple of actions w.r.t tests | 16:06 |
| kgriffs | I didn't see a summary posted on the wiki... | 16:06 |
| flaper87 | IIRC | 16:06 |
| malini | we had a heavy test discussion & I added it to the bp | 16:07 |
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| malini | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/refactor-system-tests | 16:07 |
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| cppcabrera | I updated the summary a few days ago. I also noticed it was missing, kgriffs. | 16:07 |
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| cppcabrera | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-08-02-16.02.html | 16:07 |
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| * kgriffs gives cppcabrera a pop-tart | 16:08 | |
| cppcabrera | :) | 16:08 |
| flaper87 | arrgh, that's my fault | 16:08 |
| flaper87 | sorry guys! | 16:08 |
| flaper87 | I completely forgot ot update it | 16:08 |
| malini | one of the ACTION is ' kgriffs to buy pop-tarts' ;) | 16:08 |
| kgriffs | heh | 16:08 |
| cppcabrera | No worries. You've got backup, flaper87. ;) | 16:08 |
| kgriffs | #topic review actions from last time | 16:08 |
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| kgriffs | ok, so any items we need to carry forward? | 16:09 |
| cppcabrera | Both. | 16:09 |
| flaper87 | yeah, 1 and 2 | 16:09 |
| malini | Action # 3 & 4 too | 16:09 |
| cppcabrera | Client dev got very little love this go around. | 16:09 |
| kgriffs | you mean, everything under topic 3? | 16:09 |
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| kgriffs | (c,e,f,g) | 16:09 |
| kgriffs | oic | 16:10 |
| malini | f is complete | 16:10 |
| malini | (its in the bp + etherpad) | 16:10 |
| kgriffs | 2.b., 2.d, 3.c, 3.e | 16:11 |
| kgriffs | all those need to be carried forward? | 16:11 |
| flaper87 | (actions items are enumerated bellow) | 16:11 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: yup | 16:11 |
| kgriffs | ok | 16:11 |
| kgriffs | #action cppcabrera and flaper87 to turn apiclient-marconi etherpad into bps/bugs | 16:12 |
| malini | 2.d is abadoned | 16:12 |
| kgriffs | #action malini to update the etherpad and start working on the re-factor | 16:12 |
| kgriffs | #action malini to make functional tests run with tox | 16:12 |
| kgriffs | does that look right? | 16:12 |
| malini | yes | 16:12 |
| flaper87 | it does to me | 16:12 |
| cppcabrera | yup | 16:12 |
| kgriffs | ok, moving right along | 16:12 |
| cppcabrera | +1 | 16:13 |
| kgriffs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Marconi#Agenda | 16:13 |
| kgriffs | #topic poposal to deprecate Trello | 16:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "poposal to deprecate Trello (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 16:13 | |
| * flaper87 is ready to vote | 16:13 | |
| kgriffs | Any question/comments before we vote? | 16:13 |
| zyuan_ | which one we use? | 16:13 |
| cppcabrera | Launchpad (LP) | 16:14 |
| kgriffs | today we use both Trello and Launchpad, but it had become a real waste of time (IMHO) to keep them in sync | 16:14 |
| Sriram | +1 | 16:14 |
| zyuan_ | launchpad has card? | 16:14 |
| flaper87 | zyuan_: nope, just issues and blueprints | 16:14 |
| kgriffs | Trello seems really helpful when planning the next release, but after that becomes hard to maintain since it has to sync with Launchpad. | 16:14 |
| kgriffs | also, we are the only project i know of using Trello at the moment. I would rather focus efforts on improving Launchpad and/or helping infra migrate to something like phabricator. | 16:15 |
| zyuan_ | it's somewhat not obvious to see who is working on which bp/bug | 16:15 |
| flaper87 | zyuan_: if we use assignee fields correctly, it becomes obvious | 16:15 |
| flaper87 | we haven't done that because we were focusing on trello | 16:16 |
| kgriffs | zyuan_: agreed, a lot of people are not satisfied with Launchpad, but aint nobody got time to keep Trello and LP in sync, and sometimes comments and stuff end up in one place and not the other. | 16:16 |
| malini | I like the moving thru column part of trello | 16:16 |
| zyuan_ | when i say not obvious i mean... the bugs page does not give you such info | 16:16 |
| zyuan_ | you have to open each | 16:16 |
| malini | helps me track all work has tests associated | 16:16 |
| kgriffs | how about we try it for a few weeks and see? | 16:16 |
| kgriffs | (try not using Trello) | 16:16 |
| zyuan_ | cards are different. you don't need to open it to know lots of things | 16:16 |
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| flaper87 | We'll have to move to launchpad anyway, that's what OS uses and that's what TC and everyone will use to get status of the project | 16:17 |
| kgriffs | an alternative would be to take a day or two and write a "facelift" interface on top of launchpad that makes it more grokkable at a glance | 16:17 |
| flaper87 | Moving forward with trello wont replace launchpad, anyway | 16:18 |
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| zyuan_ | ha ha ha ha | 16:18 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: lol | 16:18 |
| Sriram | :P | 16:18 |
| flaper87 | zyuan_: I agree with you :/ | 16:18 |
| kgriffs | so, if anyone is looking for a totally sweet project for their next hackathon... | 16:18 |
| amitgandhi | im surprised no one has done it yet | 16:18 |
| zyuan_ | lunchpad - trello integration? | 16:19 |
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| zyuan_ | or cards for launchpad? | 16:19 |
| flaper87 | to do that, you'd have to mess with launchpad's OpenId and permissions, THAT is not fun :D | 16:19 |
| kgriffs | no, just making launchpad prettier | 16:19 |
| flaper87 | ok, vote ? | 16:19 |
| zyuan_ | like bugs in many views? | 16:19 |
| kgriffs | yeah, better views. And maybe a nicer font or something. :p | 16:20 |
| Sriram | ok lets vote. | 16:20 |
| * cppcabrera ready to vote | 16:20 | |
| kgriffs | #startvote Should we try freezing Trello and start using Launchpad exclusively? Yes, No | 16:21 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Should we try freezing Trello and start using Launchpad exclusively? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 16:21 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 16:21 |
| cppcabrera | #vote Yes | 16:21 |
| flaper87 | #vote Yes | 16:21 |
| amitgandhi | #vote Yes | 16:22 |
| Sriram | #vote Yes | 16:22 |
| kgriffs | #vote Yes | 16:22 |
| megan_w | #vote yes | 16:22 |
| zyuan_ | no solution in mind; abstain | 16:22 |
| kgriffs | noted | 16:22 |
| kgriffs | I'll give it 10 seconds in case anyone wants to object | 16:22 |
| kgriffs | #endvote | 16:23 |
| openstack | Voted on "Should we try freezing Trello and start using Launchpad exclusively?" Results are | 16:23 |
| openstack | Yes (6): megan_w, kgriffs, cppcabrera, amitgandhi, Sriram, flaper87 | 16:23 |
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| zyuan_ | one thing i like about launchpad is Link to CVE | 16:24 |
| kgriffs | #action kgriffs,flaper87, et al. to stop using Trello and focus efforts on getting/keeping Launchpad up to date | 16:24 |
| zyuan_ | but we never used that yet :) | 16:24 |
| zyuan_ | hope we don't use that in the future LOOL | 16:25 |
| kgriffs | #action cppcabrera to assist in getting cards on Trello ported to Launchpad for those that aren't in sync. | 16:25 |
| kgriffs | #topic triage bugs | 16:25 |
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| kgriffs | #link http://goo.gl/RjZJCw | 16:25 |
| cppcabrera | +1 | 16:26 |
| kgriffs | malini has identified these as the only two critical bugs at the moment. Actually, I think there is one more pending... | 16:26 |
| cppcabrera | There is. It's... | 16:26 |
| * cppcabrera searches for link | 16:26 | |
| kgriffs | cppcabrera: retry on duplicate key error? | 16:26 |
| cppcabrera | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/marconi/+bug/1211386 | 16:26 |
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| cppcabrera | Yes | 16:26 |
| cppcabrera | The regex match fails. | 16:26 |
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| cppcabrera | Yielding a 503 | 16:26 |
| kgriffs | has this been independently verified? | 16:27 |
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| malini | alejandro verified it, rt? | 16:27 |
| cppcabrera | It's been noted by oz_akan and malini while load testing. I'm attempting to repro locally. | 16:27 |
| flaper87 | mhh, I wonder wether the buffer or the s/queue_id/queue_name/ patches could have caused that | 16:28 |
| amitgandhi | cppcabrera reported it | 16:28 |
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| zyuan_ | the releasing claim one, i can't repo it with unit test. i may got something wrong... | 16:28 |
| kgriffs | you have to do parallel requests to the same queue | 16:28 |
| malini | amitgandhi: cppcabrera reported what oz_akan & me saw in load tests. | 16:28 |
| kgriffs | the error is with duplicate markers | 16:28 |
| kgriffs | I'd like to mark this one as critical. Any objections? | 16:29 |
| Sriram | i'll try to repro it as well. | 16:29 |
| malini | amitgandhi: So its not really independent verification | 16:29 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: go for it | 16:29 |
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| kgriffs | ok folks, as soon as we get a reliable repro on this, let's get it fixed | 16:29 |
| kgriffs | (pls update the "status") | 16:30 |
| flaper87 | malini: what version of mongo are you guys using? | 16:30 |
| kgriffs | #action malini to verify/repro https://bugs.launchpad.net/marconi/+bug/1211386 | 16:30 |
| malini | oz_akan_ | 16:30 |
| cppcabrera | I'm using v2.4.1 (latest is 2.4.5, I believe) | 16:30 |
| malini | kgriffs: this bug we found in load test & we have a reliable repro with tsung | 16:31 |
| kgriffs | malini: mostly I just want to make sure we can reproduce this on demand; otherwise how can we prove we "fixed" it? | 16:31 |
| kgriffs | sweet | 16:31 |
| kgriffs | can you update the status accordingly? | 16:31 |
| malini | it shows up on all tsung runs | 16:31 |
| oz_akan_ | 2.4.5 | 16:31 |
| kgriffs | moving on | 16:32 |
| malini | I changed it to confirmed | 16:32 |
| kgriffs | is this one confirmed yet? | 16:32 |
| kgriffs | https://bugs.launchpad.net/marconi/+bug/1210662 | 16:32 |
| kgriffs | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/marconi/+bug/1210662 | 16:32 |
| amitgandhi | i reported that. either the spec needs to be corrected, or the code needs to be fixed | 16:33 |
| amitgandhi | zyuan is contesting that its a bug and prefers the current approach (which conflicts with the spec) | 16:33 |
| kgriffs | I think it's a bug | 16:33 |
| zyuan_ | i don't think it's bug... | 16:34 |
| kgriffs | wait | 16:34 |
| kgriffs | how does it conflict with the spec? | 16:34 |
| zyuan_ | it's spec has a glitch | 16:34 |
| zyuan_ | spec says age need to be reset | 16:34 |
| zyuan_ | while current age always reflect the "real" age -- time lived | 16:34 |
| kgriffs | isn't that the very definition of renewing a claim? | 16:34 |
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| flaper87 | kgriffs: I tested the regex and it doesn't seem to match, I'll test it a bit further | 16:34 |
| kgriffs | does the client need to know/care about the "real age"? | 16:35 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: kk, maybe the message changed with a recent Mongo releasse | 16:35 |
| * kgriffs wishes he didn't have to do a hack that's so fragile | 16:35 | |
| amitgandhi | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/specs/api/v1#Update_Claim "The server will reset the age of the claim and apply the new TTL." | 16:35 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: we may need to make the regex more flexible | 16:35 |
| zyuan_ | amitgandhi: yes, i saw that | 16:35 |
| * flaper87 complained directly with the right guys about those worthless error messages | 16:36 | |
| kgriffs | so, the simplest fix now is to code to the spec as it now stands | 16:36 |
| zyuan_ | wait | 16:36 |
| zyuan_ | wait | 16:36 |
| kgriffs | (in my opinion) | 16:36 |
| zyuan_ | sqlite's age is same as spec | 16:37 |
| zyuan_ | mongo's is not -_- | 16:37 |
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| kgriffs | ok, I propose we modify the mongo driver to be consistent with sqlite and the spec | 16:38 |
| kgriffs | any objections? | 16:38 |
| cppcabrera | +1 kgriffs | 16:38 |
| amitgandhi | kgriffs: +` | 16:38 |
| amitgandhi | +1 | 16:38 |
| flaper87 | +1 | 16:38 |
| zyuan_ | wait | 16:38 |
| Sriram | seems good. | 16:38 |
| zyuan_ | mongo has some impl issue | 16:39 |
| zyuan_ | when doing that | 16:39 |
| flaper87 | feel free to assign that to me! kgriffs | 16:39 |
| kgriffs | kk | 16:39 |
| zyuan_ | the created time is embaded into ObjectId | 16:39 |
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| kgriffs | flaper87: I think we have an expires field as well, nicht? | 16:39 |
| zyuan_ | you can either change the ID (i don't you dont); or add an extra field? | 16:39 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: right | 16:40 |
| cppcabrera | c.e | 16:40 |
| cppcabrera | ? | 16:40 |
| zyuan_ | then... age - expires | 16:40 |
| flaper87 | we've 2: e and c.e | 16:40 |
| kgriffs | kk, I think we are OK then | 16:40 |
| flaper87 | e is message's expire | 16:40 |
| flaper87 | c.e is claim's | 16:40 |
| zyuan_ | ok. if it's possible, add a test | 16:40 |
| kgriffs | malini, can you get a repro? | 16:40 |
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| kgriffs | (and a new test!) | 16:41 |
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| malini | I cannot add a system test for this https://bugs.launchpad.net/marconi/+bug/1210662 | 16:41 |
| malini | will be too complex | 16:41 |
| malini | We need unit tests for this one | 16:41 |
| zyuan_ | yes, i mean unit test | 16:41 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: ahhh, I knew it, I know what happened | 16:42 |
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| zyuan_ | we don't have to wait for some real time; just post, update, compare age, done | 16:42 |
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| flaper87 | that error was originated by the s/qid/qname/ patch | 16:42 |
| kgriffs | ok, let's just make sure there is a test somewhere that first proves it is broken (and pls set to confirmed) then proves it is fixed (when patch is submitted) | 16:42 |
| kgriffs | darn | 16:42 |
| kgriffs | kk | 16:42 |
| flaper87 | because the error now has the project in the message | 16:42 |
| flaper87 | I already created a more general regex | 16:42 |
| flaper87 | I'll submit a patch soon | 16:43 |
| zyuan_ | grate | 16:43 |
| zyuan_ | great | 16:43 |
| cppcabrera | +1 flaper87 | 16:43 |
| zyuan_ | -_- | 16:43 |
| kgriffs | kk | 16:43 |
| * cppcabrera watches bugs fixed in real time | 16:43 | |
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| kgriffs | I'll assign those two bugs to Mr. Percoco | 16:43 |
| zyuan_ | my key stokes alwyas .... errrrahhh | 16:43 |
| flaper87 | w00000t | 16:43 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: question, did this really happen? https://github.com/stackforge/marconi/blob/master/marconi/tests/storage/test_impl_mongodb.py#L52 | 16:44 |
| flaper87 | or that's just a sanity check ? | 16:44 |
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| kgriffs | flaper87: it must have happened, but I can't remember now for sure - it's been too long | 16:45 |
| kgriffs | (and indexes have changed around so much) | 16:46 |
| flaper87 | kk, no worries | 16:46 |
| kgriffs | next bug | 16:46 |
| kgriffs | https://bugs.launchpad.net/marconi/+bug/1210633 | 16:46 |
| kgriffs | I need someone to take this | 16:46 |
| cppcabrera | Claim release isn't being honored. | 16:46 |
| zyuan_ | alej can repo it; i tried with unit test... failed to repo | 16:46 |
| zyuan_ | (so far) | 16:46 |
| cppcabrera | I'll take it. | 16:47 |
| kgriffs | sold! | 16:47 |
| cppcabrera | I just assigned myself - I'll knock it out after the meeting. | 16:47 |
| kgriffs | ok, anything else on the topic of bugs before we move on? | 16:47 |
| zyuan_ | try sqlite | 16:48 |
| zyuan_ | if possible | 16:48 |
| zyuan_ | next time | 16:48 |
| cppcabrera | will do, zyuan. | 16:48 |
| kgriffs | #topic Triage blueprints | 16:48 |
| zyuan_ | i guess i implemeted it in a very precise way | 16:48 |
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| kgriffs | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi | 16:49 |
| kgriffs | so, go down the line, sorted by series | 16:50 |
| kgriffs | perf-testing | 16:50 |
| kgriffs | anything we need to update on this (status?) | 16:50 |
| flaper87 | did you guys take a look at the ones I put here? https://etherpad.openstack.org/queuing-scratch | 16:50 |
| kgriffs | ah, that's a good idea | 16:51 |
| kgriffs | let's take those first | 16:51 |
| kgriffs | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/multi-db-support (Should it be deleted as per Monday's call?) | 16:51 |
| zyuan_ | probably | 16:51 |
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| flaper87 | We said that addressing multi-db wasn't a good plan right now, I think we should close this and re-create it if needed | 16:52 |
| kgriffs | based on a recent conversation with 10gen, I think partitioning across several DBs is valuable and would like to see a patch | 16:52 |
| cppcabrera | I like the idea of addressing it later. | 16:52 |
| kgriffs | oz_akan: thoughts? | 16:52 |
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| amitgandhi | i kind of want to see the results of the perf testing first | 16:52 |
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| kgriffs | basically, my take on this is 1. it is valuable, but 2. not sure on the priority | 16:53 |
| amitgandhi | i think storage placement takes a higher priority | 16:53 |
| flaper87 | I think that one is easy to implement | 16:53 |
| flaper87 | I know oz_akan_ was working on that | 16:53 |
| kgriffs | ok, mind if I put it in H3 for now but low priority? | 16:53 |
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| amitgandhi | +1 | 16:54 |
| flaper87 | +1 | 16:54 |
| kgriffs | next | 16:54 |
| megan_w | seems like the right call | 16:54 |
| kgriffs | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/use-webob (I think this can be deleted) +1 | 16:54 |
| kgriffs | and the next one | 16:54 |
| kgriffs | I put those in to appease the gods | 16:54 |
| zyuan_ | .. | 16:55 |
| kgriffs | for the greater good, it may be nice to just port marconi over as a science project and see what a difference it makes | 16:55 |
| cppcabrera | +1 for deleting pecan/webob bps | 16:55 |
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| kgriffs | but I'm not super optimistic that it is something that would make it into mainline | 16:55 |
| flaper87 | lets just close them | 16:56 |
| kgriffs | re webob, we can say "we'll take that seriously as soon as swift does" | 16:56 |
| flaper87 | LOL | 16:56 |
| kgriffs | AFAIK we are the only two data APIs so far | 16:56 |
| notmyname | :-) | 16:56 |
| flaper87 | :P | 16:56 |
| notmyname | yay data APIs! | 16:56 |
| kgriffs | +1 | 16:57 |
| kgriffs | ok | 16:57 |
| Sriram | :D | 16:57 |
| * notmyname just saw "swift" in here. I don't really have any context | 16:57 | |
| kgriffs | let me just close those. I think Doug and I have agreed to disagree at this point anyway | 16:57 |
| kgriffs | hmm. how do I close a bp? | 16:58 |
| zyuan_ | lol | 16:58 |
| kgriffs | priority "not" ? | 16:58 |
| kgriffs | :p | 16:59 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: definition | 16:59 |
| flaper87 | set it obsolete or superseeded | 16:59 |
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| kgriffs | they need a more accurate term, but oh well | 16:59 |
| kgriffs | moving on | 16:59 |
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| kgriffs | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/stream-messages (I think this one can be deleted) +1 | 16:59 |
| kgriffs | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/streaming-serialization (I think this one can be deleted) +1 | 16:59 |
| kgriffs | I added those in case we wanted to revisit the idea later | 17:00 |
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| kgriffs | but, if nobody thinks we are going to go back to streaming posted messages, we can forget about it. | 17:00 |
| flaper87 | I'd close them and re-open them later if needed | 17:01 |
| zyuan_ | i can remember them | 17:01 |
| kgriffs | note that at the moment we don't stream messages when listing them - we serialize to JSON in RAM | 17:01 |
| zyuan_ | so you can delete them now | 17:01 |
| kgriffs | ok | 17:01 |
| kgriffs | going once | 17:01 |
| kgriffs | going twice | 17:01 |
| kgriffs | sold to the guy eating a pop-tart in the back! | 17:01 |
| flaper87 | LOOOL | 17:02 |
| cppcabrera | :P | 17:02 |
| kgriffs | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/placement-service was superseeded by https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/storage-placement (Is this for H3 or I-1 ?) (They need to be merged.) | 17:02 |
| cppcabrera | If the contents of those two BPs could be merged, it's perfect, IMO. | 17:02 |
| kgriffs | ok, let's merge and change the name to "cell" or whatever you want to call it | 17:03 |
| flaper87 | (the oldest wins) :P | 17:03 |
| kgriffs | #action cppcabrera to merge marconi cell bp's | 17:03 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: if you think "cell" is going to give people the wrong idea, we are open to suggestions for naming | 17:04 |
| kgriffs | moving on | 17:04 |
| kgriffs | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/routing-api (H-3 or I-1?) | 17:04 |
| kgriffs | I think that would be I-1 | 17:04 |
| kgriffs | what does everyone think? | 17:04 |
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| kgriffs | I just want to get a solid, baseline release out first | 17:04 |
| cppcabrera | I-1, as well as v1.1 or v2.0 of the API | 17:05 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: I think cell is going to confuse people, I'd keep storage palcement and leave cell for a higher "cell" concept | 17:05 |
| flaper87 | I prefer I-1 as well | 17:05 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: we've actually been contemplating replacing storage placement with a higher-level cell | 17:05 |
| amitgandhi | flaper87: +1 to not using "cell" | 17:05 |
| kgriffs | so, routing to webheads + storage as a big black box | 17:05 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: mmh, seems you've discussed that service a bit further | 17:05 |
| cppcabrera | yup, a bunch flaper87. | 17:06 |
| flaper87 | when can we sync up on that? (G+?) | 17:06 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: yeah, last week, I wanted to discuss as part of this meeting but we are out of time | 17:06 |
| kgriffs | let's sync up on all that tomorrow? | 17:06 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: +1 | 17:06 |
| kgriffs | ok, cppcabrera can you schedule somethin' | 17:06 |
| kgriffs | #action flaper87, cbbcabrera to schedule another placement service and/or cell architecture discussion | 17:07 |
| cppcabrera | Will do. | 17:07 |
| flaper87 | +1 | 17:07 |
| * cppcabrera is action-packed | 17:07 | |
| Sriram | woot!:) | 17:07 |
| flaper87 | cppcabrera: Is the wiki page updated? | 17:07 |
| flaper87 | I'll read it before our next G+ | 17:08 |
| cppcabrera | Yeah, I made sure the latest is up there last I worked on it. It should have lots of haproxy and cell ideas on it. | 17:08 |
| cppcabrera | *"cell" | 17:08 |
| kgriffs | ok folks, we are out of time. we will take care of the placement service chat in breakout, and we can audit the API next Monday. | 17:08 |
| kgriffs | #endmeeting | 17:08 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 12 17:08:53 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:08 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-08-12-16.04.html | 17:08 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-08-12-16.04.txt | 17:08 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-08-12-16.04.log.html | 17:08 |
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| flaper87 | \o/ | 17:08 |
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| kgriffs | thanks everyone, nice work lately! we've gotten a ton of stuff done | 17:09 |
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| kgriffs | flaper87: Let's triage bps again next week | 17:09 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting training-manuals | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 12 20:02:36 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' | 20:02 |
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| colinmcnamara | Colin here | 20:02 |
| sarob | hello | 20:03 |
| colinmcnamara | hello | 20:03 |
| sarob | what do you have for agenda today? | 20:04 |
| colinmcnamara | one mine | 20:04 |
| colinmcnamara | min | 20:05 |
| sarob | sure | 20:05 |
| colinmcnamara | back | 20:05 |
| sarob | mestery: you online? | 20:06 |
| sarob | ill start with mine first... | 20:06 |
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| sarob | #topic 2 week sprint | 20:06 |
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| sarob | are we ready to start our first 2 week sprint? | 20:07 |
| colinmcnamara | I think so | 20:07 |
| sarob | cool | 20:07 |
| colinmcnamara | I think we need to be hyper vigalant | 20:07 |
| colinmcnamara | and start with a pre-plan figuring out what stories are going to be in | 20:07 |
| colinmcnamara | and manage our burn down chart like nazi's | 20:08 |
| sarob | ;) | 20:08 |
| colinmcnamara | I think an action item is to do resource estimation, and figure out what stories are going to be in this sprint | 20:08 |
| sarob | so the user stories in the sprint backlog are assoc user stories | 20:08 |
| sarob | can we label them as assoc, so we can start adding oper and dev user stories? | 20:09 |
| colinmcnamara | yes, but I don't think all of them will get accomplished in a sprint | 20:09 |
| colinmcnamara | we can, but I think we should focus on releasing the associate book first | 20:09 |
| colinmcnamara | and then assessment | 20:09 |
| sarob | i hear that | 20:09 |
| colinmcnamara | and also | 20:09 |
| colinmcnamara | start to address preso format (tagging slides, notes, etc) | 20:10 |
| colinmcnamara | and get a beta done | 20:10 |
| colinmcnamara | beta delivery | 20:10 |
| colinmcnamara | so, one prod dev cycle on associate | 20:10 |
| colinmcnamara | then take those lessons learned and apply them to the next level of engineer | 20:10 |
| sarob | #ACTION goals for associate training book publish | 20:10 |
| colinmcnamara | the big thing is to do an hours estimation, and figure out the true amount of team the team devotes | 20:11 |
| sarob | #ACTION add book label for user stories, e.g. assoc, operator, developer, devops | 20:11 |
| colinmcnamara | and then mange the sprint to the sprint duration | 20:11 |
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| sarob | we still need to recruit community committers so i dont know how many hands | 20:12 |
| sarob | lets promote that we are open for business to the other user groups and see how many community takers we get | 20:12 |
| colinmcnamara | agreed | 20:12 |
| colinmcnamara | I talked to shannon mcfarland | 20:13 |
| colinmcnamara | he is to busy for core | 20:13 |
| colinmcnamara | but wants to participate in community | 20:13 |
| sarob | #ACTION publish to user groups that openstack-training project is actively seeking community contributors | 20:13 |
| sarob | sounds good | 20:14 |
| colinmcnamara | I think an action | 20:14 |
| sarob | we need lots of doers, community is it | 20:14 |
| colinmcnamara | for getting contribution, is putting together an ignite deck | 20:14 |
| colinmcnamara | that goes over the purpouse and mission of openstack-training | 20:14 |
| sarob | #ACTION colinmcnamra community contribution ignite deck | 20:15 |
| colinmcnamara | I'll take that action | 20:15 |
| colinmcnamara | yup | 20:15 |
| sarob | i guess i bled into the second agenda item | 20:15 |
| sarob | oh well | 20:15 |
| sarob | so how many community members is enough? | 20:16 |
| colinmcnamara | 20-40 | 20:16 |
| colinmcnamara | members vs leaders btw is an interesting notion | 20:16 |
| sarob | how so? | 20:16 |
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| colinmcnamara | I personally think that the best way to go after community is to go after the community users group leaders | 20:17 |
| colinmcnamara | it may be worth deciding when were are ready to handle a large influx of focus | 20:17 |
| colinmcnamara | and get an article published on the OpenStack blog | 20:17 |
| sarob | id say now | 20:18 |
| sarob | if we can get some people to help take ownership of the different books | 20:19 |
| colinmcnamara | I would like to get a consistency in style | 20:19 |
| colinmcnamara | and dev process | 20:19 |
| sarob | then we can loosely manage the process of getting the material published | 20:19 |
| sarob | act more like editors | 20:19 |
| colinmcnamara | I think that it would be good to go through and end to end product cycle on associate | 20:19 |
| colinmcnamara | then splinter out to each level | 20:19 |
| sarob | prob right | 20:20 |
| sarob | figure out bugs in process before full bore | 20:20 |
| colinmcnamara | thats my recommendation | 20:20 |
| sarob | so lets sprint on associate training only, while capturing new | 20:20 |
| colinmcnamara | yup | 20:20 |
| sarob | users stories for the other books as they come up | 20:20 |
| colinmcnamara | focus teams and effort on creating a product that is releasable | 20:21 |
| colinmcnamara | yup | 20:21 |
| sarob | over the next two weeks | 20:21 |
| colinmcnamara | agree | 20:21 |
| colinmcnamara | btw, I was thinking that for now | 20:21 |
| colinmcnamara | we should probably add each other as reviewers for quick merges | 20:21 |
| sarob | #action 2 week sprint starts now focused on associate engineer | 20:21 |
| sarob | #action dev, ops, devops user stories captured now, but sidelined until after current sprint has run | 20:22 |
| colinmcnamara | question on that action | 20:22 |
| colinmcnamara | I think that is something to create, that the user community can create stories | 20:22 |
| colinmcnamara | but is lots of work | 20:23 |
| sarob | okay, so we take them as ideas for the next two weeks | 20:23 |
| colinmcnamara | yes, it is significant work | 20:24 |
| sarob | reassess books and materials post 11sep | 20:24 |
| colinmcnamara | agreed | 20:24 |
| colinmcnamara | also, that bootcamp may affect our workflow | 20:24 |
| sarob | cool | 20:24 |
| sarob | i hope so | 20:24 |
| sarob | i want new ideas | 20:24 |
| sarob | ready for next topic? | 20:25 |
| colinmcnamara | yes | 20:25 |
| sarob | #topic bug https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41504/ | 20:25 |
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| sarob | i guess that is patch | 20:26 |
| sarob | related to bug | 20:26 |
| colinmcnamara | that the patch is dependent on the shallow clone | 20:27 |
| colinmcnamara | ? | 20:27 |
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| sarob | lorin and jeremy have asked that we clone remote docs rather than include from raw.github.com | 20:29 |
| sarob | im willing to try it out for now | 20:29 |
| colinmcnamara | so, how does that affect our workflow | 20:29 |
| sarob | see my comment https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1211135 | 20:29 |
| sarob | not really impacts workflow | 20:29 |
| sarob | just point to local repo clone rather than raw.github.com | 20:30 |
| colinmcnamara | more thinking of the local dev workflow | 20:30 |
| sarob | explain? | 20:30 |
| colinmcnamara | well, it does affect the fact that we need people pulliing more then openstack-manuals | 20:30 |
| colinmcnamara | for the local work | 20:30 |
| colinmcnamara | right? | 20:30 |
| colinmcnamara | and need to make sure that all are up to date for local mvn builds | 20:31 |
| sarob | i created a subdir /openstack-training/sources | 20:31 |
| sarob | to house the repo clones | 20:31 |
| colinmcnamara | so, everytime there is a merge, gerrit clones into those? | 20:32 |
| sarob | i think we should manage the clone timing | 20:32 |
| sarob | manually | 20:32 |
| colinmcnamara | ok | 20:32 |
| sarob | it duplicates content, but | 20:32 |
| colinmcnamara | maybe that is something we can automate | 20:32 |
| colinmcnamara | so we don't get drift | 20:33 |
| sarob | it allows us to control when the source content changes | 20:33 |
| sarob | right | 20:33 |
| colinmcnamara | you know, we could update the jenkins job to update that sub dire | 20:33 |
| sarob | yeah, but im thinking the cloning should be managed | 20:33 |
| colinmcnamara | I think dependancies should be managed | 20:33 |
| sarob | i prestage the cloning | 20:33 |
| sarob | so i know which pages are changing | 20:34 |
| colinmcnamara | I think that is effectively branching | 20:34 |
| sarob | kinda | 20:34 |
| colinmcnamara | I think that we should use maven for dependancy management | 20:34 |
| colinmcnamara | or, more accurately | 20:34 |
| colinmcnamara | we should manage dependancies programatically | 20:34 |
| colinmcnamara | I believe maven is the proper tool to do that | 20:34 |
| sarob | if a notice of which pages changed can be sent out to the team | 20:34 |
| sarob | im good | 20:34 |
| sarob | otherwise id want it to be manual | 20:35 |
| colinmcnamara | but, say we get to 600 pages of docs | 20:35 |
| colinmcnamara | how are we going to notice an error? | 20:35 |
| colinmcnamara | I think this needs to be programatic | 20:35 |
| colinmcnamara | especially if an include statement fails | 20:35 |
| colinmcnamara | now that I think about it | 20:35 |
| colinmcnamara | maven does catch that | 20:35 |
| sarob | agreed, but when and how | 20:35 |
| colinmcnamara | when an update happens | 20:36 |
| colinmcnamara | I am a big fan of keeping as close to trunk as possible | 20:36 |
| sarob | back up a sec | 20:36 |
| sarob | if we have 600 included pages | 20:36 |
| sarob | the choices are auto clone new material, note the source changes and failed includes, somebody will need to pickup | 20:37 |
| sarob | maybe auto create bugs | 20:37 |
| colinmcnamara | auto create a bug | 20:37 |
| colinmcnamara | and that bug would be a priority to address | 20:37 |
| sarob | or sprint day one a month to do the same thing | 20:37 |
| colinmcnamara | before new material is added | 20:37 |
| sarob | or both maybe | 20:37 |
| colinmcnamara | core tennant of CI | 20:38 |
| colinmcnamara | which is a core tennant of openstack dev | 20:38 |
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| colinmcnamara | I'd rather fix broken code (before it is merged btw) | 20:39 |
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| colinmcnamara | vs getting a pile of re-worlk | 20:39 |
| sarob | whats new materal | 20:39 |
| sarob | new source material or new training materila | 20:39 |
| colinmcnamara | so, say an upstream doc changes | 20:39 |
| colinmcnamara | introducing a bug | 20:40 |
| colinmcnamara | if that upstream is merged say, every 2 weeks | 20:40 |
| colinmcnamara | that there can be 2 weeks of new bugs generated from that upstream change | 20:40 |
| colinmcnamara | if it is merged imediately | 20:40 |
| colinmcnamara | the first bug would trigger a build failure | 20:40 |
| colinmcnamara | which would then get addressed as a priority before any new stories are worked on | 20:41 |
| sarob | if we are going to hold merges for two active weeks, | 20:41 |
| sarob | id better get to be an expert on git | 20:41 |
| sarob | smarter than i am now :) | 20:42 |
| colinmcnamara | I think we both have that challenge | 20:42 |
| colinmcnamara | that and Jenkins / Maven | 20:43 |
| sarob | so we build into maven script clone repo, create bugs on failed includes | 20:43 |
| colinmcnamara | I think it is a publish step on the merge for the jenkis / zuul system | 20:44 |
| colinmcnamara | and then the local dev workflow doesn't change | 20:44 |
| sarob | we make policy to solve failed includes as pre-merge priority | 20:44 |
| colinmcnamara | yup | 20:44 |
| colinmcnamara | always be integrating working clde | 20:44 |
| colinmcnamara | code | 20:44 |
| colinmcnamara | increases code quality while decreasing lead times | 20:44 |
| colinmcnamara | I need to step out pretty soon | 20:45 |
| sarob | #action figure out script to clone repos and build failed includes as priority bugs | 20:45 |
| sarob | im done | 20:46 |
| colinmcnamara | cool | 20:46 |
| sarob | aob? | 20:46 |
| colinmcnamara | none | 20:46 |
| colinmcnamara | you? | 20:46 |
| sarob | thats a wrap | 20:46 |
| colinmcnamara | ttyl | 20:46 |
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| sarob | #endmeeting | 20:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 12 20:46:44 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-08-12-20.02.html | 20:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-08-12-20.02.txt | 20:46 |
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