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| dkoryavov | Hello folks! | 15:00 |
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| dkoryavov | Let's start our Murano meeting. | 15:02 |
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| ativelkov | Hi | 15:02 |
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| dkoryavov | Muranoers: are you here? | 15:02 |
| IgorYozhikov | Hi | 15:02 |
| ativelkov | Here I am | 15:02 |
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| stanlagun | hi | 15:02 |
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| dteselkin | Hi | 15:03 |
| dmyznikov | Hi all! | 15:04 |
| dkoryavov | We have small team today…. | 15:04 |
| dkoryavov | OK, let's start our meeting. | 15:04 |
| dkoryavov | #startmeeting murano | 15:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 19 15:04:40 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dkoryavov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 15:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 15:04 |
| dkoryavov | Here is agenda for today's meeting https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda#Agenda | 15:05 |
| dkoryavov | The summary from the previous meeting is here: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-08-12-15.05.html | 15:05 |
| dkoryavov | We have an action item from the previous meeting. | 15:06 |
| dkoryavov | dteselkin? | 15:06 |
| dkoryavov | Also, let's check our blueprints https://launchpad.net/murano/+milestone/0.2 | 15:07 |
| dkoryavov | I believe, that we can close this blueprint as implemented: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/external-ad, right? | 15:08 |
| ativelkov | yes | 15:08 |
| ativelkov | But that's a question to QA guys | 15:08 |
| dteselkin | I send a brief info about our PS scripts to Chad, but I haven't received a reply yet. | 15:09 |
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| ativelkov | I would rather look at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/sql2012-single-instance-service - it seems like we have already overimplemented this thing | 15:09 |
| dkoryavov | Yes, this blueprint is superseded. | 15:10 |
| ativelkov | Ah, I see | 15:11 |
| dkoryavov | What about this? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/sql-server-single-instance | 15:11 |
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| ativelkov | What about Clustered SQL? Do we include it into 0.2? | 15:11 |
| ativelkov | I didn't test single instance recently, but it used to be working before we started hard push towards clustering | 15:12 |
| dkoryavov | dteselkin IgorYozhikov ? | 15:12 |
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| dteselkin | The development phase for Clustered SQL service is done. Now the intensive testing is required. I believe it might be included into 0.2 | 15:14 |
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| dkoryavov | As far as I can see we fixed all critical bugs? I doub't that…. | 15:18 |
| ativelkov | Well, seems like we may expect more after new complicated workflows are tested | 15:18 |
| ativelkov | Also we may expect something with Dynamic UI | 15:18 |
| dkoryavov | https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano/+bug/1212185 ? | 15:19 |
| ativelkov | In general, all our new features haven't been tested propely yet, so I would expect some bugs to be found during remaining weeks | 15:19 |
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| ativelkov | Is not this dUI? | 15:19 |
| dkoryavov | I think so. | 15:20 |
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| tsufiev | hi all! | 15:21 |
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| ativelkov | Hi Timur, just about time | 15:21 |
| dkoryavov | tsufiev you a late. | 15:21 |
| ativelkov | Can you comment on this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano/+bug/1212185 | 15:21 |
| dkoryavov | yep | 15:21 |
| ativelkov | Is that a dynamic UI issue or somethign else? | 15:22 |
| tsufiev | sorry, there was traffic jam in metro ( | 15:22 |
| tsufiev | ativelkov: yes, it is related to dynamic UI, but it was already fixed in release-0.2 | 15:24 |
| dkoryavov | And who works on this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano/+bug/1211453 | 15:24 |
| tsufiev | this bug is due to missing package in pip-requires | 15:24 |
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| dkoryavov | tsufiev then, let's close it. | 15:25 |
| ativelkov | 1211453 seems to be a conductor issue | 15:25 |
| ativelkov | May be stan can comment | 15:25 |
| dkoryavov | stanlagun ? | 15:25 |
| dkoryavov | It is your bug or Gosha really works on it? | 15:25 |
| stanlagun | this is fixed already | 15:26 |
| dkoryavov | Hmm… | 15:26 |
| dkoryavov | We have all blueprints implemented and have no bugs? :) | 15:26 |
| ativelkov | seems like we need to sync our blueprints with internal mirantis jira | 15:26 |
| dkoryavov | Yep. | 15:27 |
| ativelkov | denis, I am sure we'll get bugs as soons as that heavy stuff will get to our QA | 15:27 |
| dkoryavov | Where is our QA team? | 15:27 |
| dkoryavov | Folks, are you here? | 15:27 |
| tsufiev | dkoryavov, yes we should close https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano/+bug/1212185 | 15:27 |
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| ativelkov | Timur, I think you can do it yourself | 15:29 |
| dkoryavov | silence followed…. | 15:29 |
| ativelkov | Just edit its status | 15:29 |
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| dmyznikov | I am here | 15:31 |
| dmyznikov | somebody have any questions? | 15:31 |
| dkoryavov | OK, then I suggest 1 action item for our QA team: #action Sync internal Mirantis JIRA issues with launchpad (bugs). | 15:32 |
| ativelkov | dmyznikov, yes, the question is if the QA team has started testing Clustered SQL or External AD features | 15:33 |
| dmyznikov | This is a Timur's task - sync with launchpad | 15:33 |
| dmyznikov | I don't testes this features today, but I can do it tomorow | 15:34 |
| dkoryavov | Let's move on by agenda. | 15:34 |
| dmyznikov | If it will be have needed priritet | 15:34 |
| dkoryavov | What about v0.3. | 15:34 |
| dkoryavov | ? | 15:34 |
| dkoryavov | We are thinking about it? :) | 15:35 |
| dkoryavov | I suggest to discuss a date… | 15:35 |
| tsufiev | ok, i've marked it as fixed | 15:36 |
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| dkoryavov | I suggest to synchronize our dates with … openstack… What do you think about this? | 15:39 |
| dkoryavov | openstack releases* | 15:39 |
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| ativelkov | Well.. this should be discussed with the higher Mirantis management | 15:40 |
| dkoryavov | Let's invide them to this chat. :) | 15:42 |
| ativelkov | I have no objections, but in this case we will either have to postpone 0.2 till the Havanna release, or to have a very small changest between 0.2 and 0.3, if we schedule 0.3 to Havanna | 15:42 |
| ativelkov | but I think this is up to Iliya | 15:42 |
| dkoryavov | Maybe we can create an intermediate version - v 0.25. | 15:42 |
| dkoryavov | I suggest to discuss this idea on the nex meeting. | 15:44 |
| dkoryavov | #idea To synchronize Murano releases with the OpenStack releases. To synchronize with Havanna we can create v0.25 with a short schedule. | 15:47 |
| dkoryavov | Do we have any questions to discuss today? | 15:49 |
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| dkoryavov | any other questions* | 15:49 |
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| dkoryavov | ativelkov stanlagun dteselkin IgorYozhikov dmyznikov tsufiev ? | 15:50 |
| IgorYozhikov | nothing 4 now :) | 15:51 |
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| dmyznikov | also nothing | 15:52 |
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| dkoryavov | OK, let's stop our meeting. | 15:53 |
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| dkoryavov | #endmeeting murano | 15:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 19 15:53:35 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-08-19-15.04.html | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-08-19-15.04.txt | 15:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-08-19-15.04.log.html | 15:53 |
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| dkoryavov | I forgot to mention, the next meeting will be 26th Aug. | 15:58 |
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| kgriffs | o/ | 16:01 |
| flaper87 | \o/ | 16:01 |
| cppcabrera | :) | 16:01 |
| kgriffs | marconi meeting starting in a couple minutes | 16:01 |
| cppcabrera | All meetings start with hand-waving. ^^ | 16:02 |
| malini | \o | 16:02 |
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| megan_w_ | o/ | 16:02 |
| Alex_Gaynor | /dance | 16:03 |
| kgriffs | #startmeeting marconi | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 19 16:03:13 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kgriffs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'marconi' | 16:03 |
| flaper87 | <o/ | 16:03 |
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| kgriffs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Marconi#Agenda | 16:03 |
| kgriffs | #topic •Review actions from last time | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "•Review actions from last time (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 16:03 | |
| kgriffs | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-08-12-16.04.html | 16:03 |
| kgriffs | 2a. | 16:04 |
| * flaper87 hides | 16:04 | |
| kgriffs | cppcabrera and flaper87 ^^^ | 16:04 |
| kgriffs | :D | 16:04 |
| cppcabrera | :P | 16:04 |
| cppcabrera | Lessee... | 16:04 |
| cppcabrera | No progress. | 16:04 |
| flaper87 | didn't had a chance! But I do think the client is becoming quite urgent now! | 16:05 |
| flaper87 | (lets talk about that later) | 16:05 |
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| kgriffs | ok | 16:05 |
| kgriffs | #action cppcabrera and flaper87 to turn apiclient-marconi etherpad into bps/bugs | 16:05 |
| kgriffs | ACTION: malini to update the etherpad and start working on the re-factor | 16:05 |
| kgriffs | malini: ? | 16:06 |
| malini | I started working on the refactoring | 16:06 |
| malini | will have patches for tht coming soon | 16:06 |
| malini | As in today or tomorrow :) | 16:06 |
| malini | I havent started on the tox part yet | 16:07 |
| kgriffs | ok, cool | 16:07 |
| malini | will work with flaper87 on TOXifying the tests | 16:07 |
| kgriffs | #action malini to work with flaper87 on TOXifying the tests | 16:07 |
| flaper87 | <o/ | 16:08 |
| cppcabrera | +1 - looking foward to tox support. | 16:08 |
| kgriffs | ACTION: kgriffs,flaper87, et al. to stop using Trello and focus efforts on getting/keeping Launchpad up to date | 16:08 |
| kgriffs | so, I have been trying to keep bp's up to date | 16:08 |
| * flaper87 hasn't looked at trello in years | 16:08 | |
| flaper87 | :D | 16:08 |
| kgriffs | and I've added a few new ones based on trello cards | 16:08 |
| flaper87 | I think it was a good call | 16:08 |
| cppcabrera | I like how quickly and efficiently this was started. The title page approach is great (Openstack - Marconi (Old, No Longer Used)) | 16:08 |
| kgriffs | but I'm sure there is some lower-priority stuff that I've forgotten about that doesn't have a bp yet | 16:08 |
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| kgriffs | so | 16:09 |
| kgriffs | I like it too | 16:09 |
| flaper87 | Although, LP is not the best tool out there, keeping everything in it seems good | 16:09 |
| kgriffs | kgriffs.stress -= 10 | 16:09 |
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| kgriffs | I am talking with a dev tools guy at Rackspace who is interested in writing something that makes Launchpad more friendly. We'll see how that goes. | 16:10 |
| flaper87 | awesome! | 16:10 |
| kgriffs | anyway, if you don't see a pet feature of yours in Launchpad-land, please register it as a blueprint or bug | 16:10 |
| kgriffs | FWIW, I created an Icehouse series and Icehouse-1 milestone | 16:11 |
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| kgriffs | so that is available for long-range planning | 16:12 |
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| kgriffs | any questions re. project management? | 16:12 |
| flaper87 | just a suggestion | 16:12 |
| kgriffs | shoot | 16:12 |
| kgriffs | I don't understand | 16:12 |
| kgriffs | where all this is coming from | 16:12 |
| kgriffs | I thought we were fine? | 16:12 |
| flaper87 | based on OS workflow, it is a good practice to set the "Expected" release when creating blueprints. That's what will trigger the review / discussion about it | 16:12 |
| * kgriffs couldn't resist | 16:12 | |
| flaper87 | LOOOL | 16:13 |
| kgriffs | ah, ok | 16:13 |
| kgriffs | I will do that from now on. Forgot about that. Everyone else please do that as well. | 16:13 |
| cppcabrera | Release as in "H3", "I1", etc.? | 16:13 |
| flaper87 | just to be clear, blueprints are not expected to be reviewed unless they are targeted | 16:13 |
| flaper87 | cppcabrera: yeah | 16:13 |
| flaper87 | that will help us all to keep track of new releases and "in-progress" ideas | 16:14 |
| flaper87 | hope that makes sense | 16:14 |
| kgriffs | #action kgriffs to back-fill "Expected" release on bps | 16:14 |
| cppcabrera | cool. thanks for the workflow heads up, flaper87. | 16:14 |
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| megan_w_ | does that mean there needs to be some discussion about priority of a feature before a blueprint is made? | 16:14 |
| flaper87 | megan_w_: nope, the blueprint can be created. The author sets the target release, then the blueprint is dicussed and finally re-targeted if needed | 16:16 |
| megan_w_ | got it | 16:16 |
| amitgandhi | +1 | 16:16 |
| flaper87 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints | 16:16 |
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| flaper87 | ok, moooving on! | 16:17 |
| kgriffs | FWIW, you can just set the milestone and a script will update series goal for you | 16:17 |
| flaper87 | :D | 16:17 |
| kgriffs | yep | 16:17 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: +1 | 16:17 |
| kgriffs | ACTION: malini to verify/repro https://bugs.launchpad.net/marconi/+bug/1211386 | 16:17 |
| kgriffs | I think it's safe to assume this was done. :p | 16:17 |
| malini | kgriffs: its done | 16:17 |
| kgriffs | ACTION: cppcabrera to merge marconi cell bp's | 16:18 |
| cppcabrera | Done. | 16:18 |
| malini | kgriffs:launchpad doesnt have a better status to indicate that :( | 16:18 |
| kgriffs | for the record, can you provide the link? | 16:18 |
| malini | Going forward, I'll add a comment tht the fix is verified | 16:18 |
| oz_akan_ | kgriffs: we still haven't defined placement service | 16:18 |
| oz_akan_ | kgriffs: which I think affects the definition of a cell | 16:18 |
| * kgriffs loves saying "for the record" when it is literally correct | 16:18 | |
| cppcabrera | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/placement-service | 16:19 |
| kgriffs | oz_akan_: thanks segue dude! | 16:19 |
| kgriffs | ACTION: flaper87, cbbcabrera to schedule another placement service and/or cell architecture discussion | 16:19 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: done | 16:19 |
| zyuan_ | when? | 16:19 |
| flaper87 | we reviewed the last draft on Monday | 16:19 |
| flaper87 | (last Monday) | 16:19 |
| flaper87 | or Tuesday ? | 16:19 |
| kgriffs | can we break out discuss in #openstack-marconi after this? | 16:19 |
| flaper87 | mmh | 16:19 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: sure | 16:19 |
| cppcabrera | Yeah, placement service needs more thinking - the research continues. | 16:20 |
| kgriffs | I wanted to share some more thoughts from last thursday | 16:20 |
| kgriffs | #action team to finalize placement service architecture (high-level) | 16:20 |
| kgriffs | ok, that's it for actions from last time | 16:20 |
| kgriffs | #topic incubation | 16:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "incubation (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 16:20 | |
| cppcabrera | 40 minutes left for everything else - nice. :) | 16:20 |
| flaper87 | w0000t | 16:21 |
| kgriffs | I would like to propose that we apply for incubation now | 16:21 |
| ametts | +1 | 16:21 |
| megan_w_ | we really need to get this rolling | 16:21 |
| flaper87 | yeahhh | 16:21 |
| megan_w_ | +1 | 16:21 |
| kgriffs | ok | 16:21 |
| cppcabrera | Yes, let's. | 16:21 |
| kgriffs | megan_w_: would you like to spearhead that? | 16:21 |
| megan_w_ | yes | 16:21 |
| kgriffs | Trove just went though the process, so you can sync up with them for ideas | 16:21 |
| flaper87 | so, if we propose this now, it will be reviewed this week and we'll have to attend the next week's TC meeting | 16:22 |
| kgriffs | ok | 16:22 |
| megan_w_ | good to know | 16:22 |
| kgriffs | megan_w_: can you remind folks to attend that meeting? | 16:22 |
| kgriffs | also, do you have the wiki page handy? | 16:22 |
| megan_w_ | yes. i will figure out when it is and then remind people :) | 16:22 |
| megan_w_ | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/Incubation | 16:23 |
| megan_w_ | that's the applicaiton | 16:23 |
| kgriffs | kk | 16:23 |
| kgriffs | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Approved/Incubation | 16:23 |
| kgriffs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Approved/Incubation | 16:23 |
| kgriffs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/Incubation | 16:23 |
| kgriffs | #action megan_w_ to apply for incubation this week and invite everyone to the TC meeting | 16:24 |
| kgriffs | questions/comments on the topic before we move on? | 16:24 |
| cppcabrera | I'm happy and looking forward to feedback from the OS community. | 16:24 |
| * kgriffs hopes we get a cool mentor | 16:25 | |
| megan_w_ | one thing | 16:25 |
| cppcabrera | +1 for incubation - sooner rather than later. | 16:25 |
| cppcabrera | That's all from me. | 16:25 |
| megan_w_ | we'll want to be a "core" project, right? | 16:25 |
| flaper87 | yup | 16:25 |
| megan_w_ | great, just double checking | 16:26 |
| kgriffs | megan_w_: "During the incubation process, the project will be required to submit regular status updates to the community describing the status and progress of the project." | 16:26 |
| kgriffs | can you also take care of that? | 16:26 |
| megan_w_ | eys | 16:26 |
| flaper87 | I think we'll need to create a new program, TBH | 16:26 |
| megan_w_ | yes | 16:26 |
| kgriffs | what do you mean by "program"? | 16:26 |
| flaper87 | but that will happen when coming out from incubation | 16:26 |
| kgriffs | megan_w_: thanks! | 16:26 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Programs | 16:28 |
| flaper87 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Programs | 16:28 |
| flaper87 | we might want to have a Messaging program | 16:28 |
| flaper87 | where Marconi fits | 16:28 |
| kgriffs | ah | 16:28 |
| kgriffs | I've only ever heard people say "project" | 16:28 |
| kgriffs | gtk | 16:28 |
| kgriffs | or Queeus | 16:28 |
| kgriffs | Queues | 16:28 |
| kgriffs | whatever, we can figure that out later | 16:28 |
| flaper87 | yup | 16:28 |
| Alex_Gaynor | Projects and programs are different things, I think marconi is a project | 16:28 |
| cppcabrera | Program seems equivalent to project, with the added implication of greater communication, I think. | 16:28 |
| kgriffs | ok, mooooving on | 16:29 |
| ametts | Alex_Gaynor: If Marconi is a project, does it fall under a particular Program? | 16:29 |
| flaper87 | Alex_Gaynor: yup but it will fall into a program | 16:29 |
| ametts | If so, which one? | 16:29 |
| Alex_Gaynor | I guess we also need a queueing program then | 16:30 |
| kgriffs | so, a program can have multiple projects under it | 16:30 |
| flaper87 | and there's no program for messaging (or similar to what marconi does) | 16:30 |
| flaper87 | correct | 16:30 |
| flaper87 | anyway, we can figure that out later | 16:30 |
| kgriffs | like, the client for example | 16:30 |
| flaper87 | after incubation | 16:30 |
| kgriffs | so, messaging is probably the better name | 16:30 |
| kgriffs | anyway | 16:30 |
| kgriffs | #topic Proposal: Add another core reviewer | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Proposal: Add another core reviewer (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 16:30 | |
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| kgriffs | I'd like us to start thinking about this since it would decrease MTTA on patches | 16:31 |
| kgriffs | (I just made that up) | 16:31 |
| kgriffs | Mean Time to Approval | 16:31 |
| zyuan_ | MTTA..... | 16:31 |
| flaper87 | :P | 16:31 |
| zyuan_ | ETA | 16:32 |
| kgriffs | I should trademark that | 16:32 |
| flaper87 | we'll need that during incubation as well | 16:32 |
| zyuan_ | estimated time of approval | 16:32 |
| kgriffs | heh | 16:32 |
| kgriffs | so... | 16:32 |
| Alex_Gaynor | kgriffs: that'd be a fun metric to track across projects | 16:32 |
| cppcabrera | :P | 16:32 |
| oz_akan_ | what is the requirement to be core reviewer? | 16:32 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: what are your thoughts on that? | 16:32 |
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| kgriffs | Alex_Gaynor: true | 16:33 |
| flaper87 | Alex_Gaynor: There's a script that tracks that! The longest waiting review and so on | 16:33 |
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| flaper87 | kgriffs: I agree with you | 16:33 |
| * ametts thinks kgriffs and flaper87 need to be confident that another reviewer will lead the project in the direction it needs to go. | 16:33 | |
| flaper87 | cppcabrera: the requirement is to contribute a lot with meaningful reviews and patches | 16:33 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: I can haz script? | 16:33 |
| zyuan_ | so, what's the requirements? | 16:33 |
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| flaper87 | kgriffs: yup, will find it for you | 16:33 |
| kgriffs | excellent | 16:33 |
| kgriffs | ok | 16:34 |
| cppcabrera | Also, the core reviewer should be consistently available. | 16:34 |
| kgriffs | I think it is also a commitment to be an ongoing/active contributor to the project | 16:34 |
| malini | cppcabrera: you just made that up ;) | 16:34 |
| flaper87 | cppcabrera: correct, IIRC some of you won't work fulltime on Marconi for long, I could be wrong | 16:34 |
| megan_w_ | should we have an application process of sorts for someone who thinks they would be a good fit for the role? | 16:34 |
| cppcabrera | I did, malini. It's a thought. :D | 16:34 |
| Alex_Gaynor | Other openstack projects work via nomination AFAIK | 16:35 |
| malini | cppcabrera: +1 for that :) | 16:35 |
| flaper87 | the workflow is that core devs nominate people | 16:35 |
| flaper87 | that are a good fit for the project and have contributed for quite some time | 16:35 |
| amitgandhi | its important to not just be a consistent active contributor, but as ametts thought - be able to guide the project in the right direction | 16:35 |
| kgriffs | (by sending an email to dev list, typically) | 16:35 |
| flaper87 | I'd be very happy to have cppcabrera malini and zyuan_ in the team | 16:35 |
| kgriffs | amitgandhi: correct | 16:35 |
| flaper87 | (i don't think we need an email this time) | 16:35 |
| kgriffs | they must be wise in whatsoever things are entrusted them. | 16:36 |
| flaper87 | I'd be very happy to have y'all, but based on contributions I guess that's what makes more sense | 16:36 |
| kgriffs | (probably not, since the team is still relatively small) | 16:36 |
| amitgandhi | with great power comes great responsibility | 16:36 |
| flaper87 | amitgandhi: ametts +1 | 16:36 |
| kgriffs | ok, let's think about it and propose someone next week | 16:36 |
| zyuan_ | hahah | 16:37 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: +1 | 16:37 |
| megan_w_ | just one more for now? | 16:37 |
| oz_akan_ | do we need to add just one person, or can we add two? | 16:37 |
| cppcabrera | Works for me. Direction, vision, reliability, and commitment for core reviewers. | 16:37 |
| kgriffs | great question | 16:37 |
| flaper87 | oz_akan_: we can add as many as necessary | 16:37 |
| flaper87 | it's all based on the contributions and the work people have done | 16:37 |
| kgriffs | I'd say 2 for now | 16:37 |
| oz_akan_ | how is contribution measured? | 16:38 |
| flaper87 | oz_akan_: reviews | 16:38 |
| flaper87 | patches reviwed and proposed | 16:38 |
| kgriffs | ok, we've got to move | 16:38 |
| oz_akan_ | ok | 16:38 |
| cppcabrera | Agreed. Next topic? | 16:39 |
| kgriffs | #topic Proposal: enable logging for #openstack-marconi, and/or meetbot? | 16:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Proposal: enable logging for #openstack-marconi, and/or meetbot? (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 16:39 | |
| kgriffs | so, this just happened for metering | 16:39 |
| kgriffs | and I thought it was a good idea | 16:39 |
| flaper87 | +1 | 16:39 |
| kgriffs | if nothing else, have meetbot in there to record ad-hoc meetings for posterity | 16:39 |
| flaper87 | it's great for folks w/o an IRC bouncer | 16:39 |
| kgriffs | true dat | 16:40 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: and that, +1 | 16:40 |
| cppcabrera | flaper87: yeeesss | 16:40 |
| megan_w_ | +1 | 16:40 |
| * cppcabrera is one of those people | 16:40 | |
| Alex_Gaynor | +1 | 16:40 |
| kgriffs | anybody know if teams are on their own to run bots like that or if openstack-infra can help? | 16:40 |
| Alex_Gaynor | infra has a thing, as far as I know | 16:40 |
| flaper87 | I'm not sure either, I think they do have something | 16:41 |
| kgriffs | OK, I will ask | 16:41 |
| flaper87 | man, this guys rock! | 16:41 |
| kgriffs | #action kgriffs to set up a bot for #openstack-marconi | 16:41 |
| kgriffs | #topic Python Client: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Python_Marconi_Client | 16:42 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: I'll let you lead this discussion | 16:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Python Client: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Python_Marconi_Client (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 16:42 | |
| flaper87 | so, I'm a bit worried about marconi client now. I think we should give it some love. | 16:43 |
| flaper87 | I haven't seen alessio around | 16:43 |
| zyuan_ | flaper87: before placement? | 16:43 |
| flaper87 | and the cleanup work that was supposed to be done is stalled | 16:43 |
| zyuan_ | which one has a higher priority | 16:43 |
| flaper87 | zyuan_: placement | 16:43 |
| amitgandhi | placement has a higher priority | 16:43 |
| kgriffs | but | 16:43 |
| kgriffs | not everyone is working on placement | 16:43 |
| flaper87 | but, we can split efforts | 16:43 |
| Alex_Gaynor | There's a handful of patches in review now, I tried to do some reviews on them | 16:44 |
| flaper87 | exactly | 16:44 |
| flaper87 | Alex_Gaynor: +1 thanks! | 16:44 |
| * kgriffs creeped out again | 16:44 | |
| cppcabrera | The cllient definitely could use some love. | 16:44 |
| cppcabrera | *client | 16:44 |
| amitgandhi | so either client or other perf optimizations | 16:44 |
| cppcabrera | I've got a few touch ups to left on the message controller. | 16:44 |
| cppcabrera | s/to// | 16:45 |
| flaper87 | so, I'm about to make a radical proposal. Since the work to be don in Alessio's code seems huge, I'd say we should revert it and buld our own client code | 16:45 |
| amitgandhi | do we need client for incubation? | 16:45 |
| flaper87 | based on request and taking auth pieces from other projects | 16:45 |
| flaper87 | amitgandhi: no, we don't | 16:45 |
| kgriffs | alex_gaynor: do you have bandwidth to help more with python-marconiclient? | 16:45 |
| cppcabrera | flaper87: since we haven't heard from alessio in a very long time, I'm in favor of this. | 16:45 |
| flaper87 | but users would appricate having something like: marconi queue-create blah | 16:45 |
| kgriffs | and/or someone else from the Rackspace developer advocate group? | 16:46 |
| Alex_Gaynor | kgriffs: I can either make time or get another person from my team to help | 16:46 |
| kgriffs | that would be FAN-TAS-TIC | 16:46 |
| flaper87 | Alex_Gaynor: that would be great | 16:46 |
| megan_w_ | awesome | 16:46 |
| amitgandhi | +1 to Alex_Gayner !!! | 16:46 |
| ametts | jdprax Did a quick-n-dirty marconi client a while back. | 16:47 |
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| cppcabrera | That'd be awesome, alex_gaynor. I love submitting patches and helping with client-dev, but doing the research on writing an idiomatic wrt to OS client is tough. | 16:47 |
| ametts | Maybe that's a starting point. | 16:47 |
| kgriffs | #action Alex_Gaynor to take point on python-marconiclient under flaper87's direction | 16:47 |
| kgriffs | you did volunteer, didn't you? ;) | 16:47 |
| Alex_Gaynor | hehe | 16:47 |
| ametts | #link https://github.com/painterjd/python-marconiclient | 16:47 |
| kgriffs | +1 | 16:48 |
| Alex_Gaynor | Does the wikipage still represent the desired API? | 16:48 |
| kgriffs | that doesn't use the proposed oslo client lib | 16:48 |
| flaper87 | so, that being said, if we all agree, I'll submit a patch reverting Alessio's patch and work on a base http client and structure to extend and clomplete | 16:48 |
| flaper87 | as a starting point for the client | 16:48 |
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| cppcabrera | alex_gaynor: Mostly, yes. I'm still unsure whether to go with verbs as functions (the openstack way - list, get, post, etc.) vs. using nouns (client.queues, queues.messages, etc.() | 16:48 |
| cppcabrera | I prefer the latter, personally, but it seems most OS clients use the former. | 16:49 |
| kgriffs | #action cppcabrera to assist with python-marconiclient design and implementation | 16:49 |
| flaper87 | lol | 16:49 |
| cppcabrera | ^^ kgriffs +1 (I did volunteer. :P ) | 16:49 |
| flaper87 | actions for free. Who wants one? | 16:50 |
| flaper87 | :D | 16:50 |
| kgriffs | ok, so I think we have 3 hands on it now | 16:50 |
| flaper87 | yup | 16:50 |
| oz_akan_ | cppcabrera: don't forget placement service | 16:50 |
| cppcabrera | That's my focus, oz_akan_. | 16:50 |
| kgriffs | anyone else is always welcome to help, of course, but I want to make sure we have a core team | 16:50 |
| cppcabrera | :) | 16:50 |
| kgriffs | ok | 16:51 |
| * amitgandhi must hold cppcabrera back from running towards client full steam haha | 16:51 | |
| kgriffs | last item for today (other agenda items will have to wait for next time) | 16:51 |
| oz_akan_ | amitgandhi: :) | 16:51 |
| kgriffs | #topic Finalize semantics around deleting claimed messags | 16:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Finalize semantics around deleting claimed messags (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 16:51 | |
| cppcabrera | :P | 16:51 |
| kgriffs | afaik, this is the last remaining question mark re the API | 16:51 |
| flaper87 | yep, I think so | 16:52 |
| kgriffs | so, the heart of the issue is... | 16:52 |
| zyuan_ | btw, does this still takes effects? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37140/ | 16:52 |
| zyuan_ | cppcabrera: ^^ | 16:52 |
| kgriffs | whether clients that do not know the Claim ID can delete claimed messages | 16:53 |
| cppcabrera | zyuan_: Yeah, that's still current. I've been slow to patch but I've kept review comments in mind. | 16:53 |
| kgriffs | or was there another issue here? | 16:53 |
| flaper87 | TBH, I'd say you can't delete claimed messages without claim-id | 16:54 |
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| ametts | flaper87: +1 | 16:54 |
| oz_akan_ | +! | 16:54 |
| zyuan_ | both make sense | 16:54 |
| oz_akan_ | sorry 1 | 16:54 |
| kgriffs | so if i provide an incorrect claim, or no claim ID at all, return 403? | 16:54 |
| zyuan_ | the file lock on windows forbit you to delete the file | 16:54 |
| zyuan_ | while the file locks on unix are all advirisory | 16:55 |
| malini | what abt scenarios that involve just notification ? | 16:55 |
| ametts | I think the concern was over "cancel" semantics. To my mind, one doesn't cancel tasks by deleting claimed messages from the queue. | 16:55 |
| zyuan_ | *advisory | 16:55 |
| ametts | malini: just notification would be UNCLAIMED messages | 16:56 |
| cppcabrera | amitgandhi made a really good analogy on that previously - it seems like poor communication for a "master" to delete a message ("task") a worker is taking care of without notifying them. | 16:56 |
| kgriffs | malini: then claims wouldn't be involved | 16:56 |
| ametts | there would be no claim id to provide. | 16:56 |
| amitgandhi | deleting a claim should be intentional | 16:56 |
| cppcabrera | So cancellation as a scenario seems like a bad idea to me the more I think about it. It should require a new message to do so, which puts me in a place where I favor requiring the claim ID. | 16:56 |
| malini | so we are talking ant needing claim ID, only for claimed messages - correct? | 16:56 |
| flaper87 | but allowing claim deletion w/o claim-id will make the API inconsistent. | 16:56 |
| flaper87 | malini: yup | 16:57 |
| amitgandhi | malni: yes | 16:57 |
| kgriffs | just realized something | 16:57 |
| zyuan_ | flaper87: why? | 16:57 |
| ametts | cppcabrera: excatly. Put "start task" and "cancel task" on the queue as separate messages. | 16:57 |
| kgriffs | if you require claim ID in all cases, then a producer could attempt to redact a message | 16:57 |
| kgriffs | if it is already claimed, the DELETE would fail | 16:57 |
| flaper87 | zyuan_: because the whole point of claims is that you can operate on claimed messages if you have a claim-id | 16:57 |
| kgriffs | otherwise, the delete succeeds | 16:57 |
| kgriffs | which, I think, is what you want | 16:57 |
| zyuan_ | you don't provide claim id when you get a claimed message right? | 16:57 |
| kgriffs | should be OK to recall a message until it is claimed | 16:58 |
| zyuan_ | so in my point of view it's consistent | 16:58 |
| zyuan_ | flaper87: no | 16:58 |
| kgriffs | 30 seconds, then we vote | 16:58 |
| zyuan_ | flaper87: the purpose of a claim is to use claim as a view to the messages | 16:58 |
| ametts | kgriffs: In theory, a producer should never know a consumer's claim id anyway. | 16:58 |
| zyuan_ | not to control | 16:58 |
| zyuan_ | and btw | 16:59 |
| ametts | The whole point of a queue is to decouple applications | 16:59 |
| kgriffs | correct | 16:59 |
| kgriffs | so, in that sense, it is like email | 16:59 |
| zyuan_ | by enfocring this, the normal pub-sub is supposed to be slower | 16:59 |
| flaper87 | ametts: correct | 16:59 |
| kgriffs | you can send it | 16:59 |
| kgriffs | but once it has left the email server under your control, you can't recall it | 16:59 |
| zyuan_ | ametts: exactly, decoupling | 16:59 |
| flaper87 | mmmh, actually, I think I agree with you, zyuan_ | 17:00 |
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| oz_akan_ | I think problem is if we want to support publisher-subscriber and producer-consumer for the same queue at the same time | 17:00 |
| zyuan_ | "view" means, you can operate the thing under this view in whatever way you want | 17:00 |
| oz_akan_ | I believe if a message claimed, then user choose to use producer-consumer | 17:00 |
| zyuan_ | but if you want to take the advantage, obey the view | 17:00 |
| oz_akan_ | and he would like to have this claimed message sage | 17:00 |
| oz_akan_ | saf | 17:00 |
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| oz_akan_ | safe | 17:01 |
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| kgriffs | #startvote require claim_id in all cases when deleting a message that is claimed? Yes, No, Abstain | 17:01 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: require claim_id in all cases when deleting a message that is claimed? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 17:01 |
| zyuan_ | #vote No | 17:01 |
| oz_akan_ | #vote Yes | 17:01 |
| amitgandhi | #vote Yes | 17:01 |
| zyuan_ | don't tell me anyone want to require claimed_id when GET a message | 17:01 |
| cppcabrera | #vote Yes | 17:02 |
| malini | #vote No | 17:02 |
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| * flaper87 still thinking | 17:02 | |
| kgriffs | #vote no | 17:02 |
| ametts | #vote Yes | 17:02 |
| flaper87 | #vote Yes | 17:02 |
| oz_akan_ | if a worker claims a message and another deletes it, what is the point in claiming messages | 17:02 |
| flaper87 | oz_akan_: that's what made up my mind :D | 17:03 |
| oz_akan_ | mine too :) | 17:03 |
| zyuan_ | oz_akan_: we don't care, our design don't care | 17:03 |
| kgriffs | it's a safeguard for application bugs | 17:03 |
| zyuan_ | if our design cares, then the design breaks | 17:03 |
| zyuan_ | (in many ways) | 17:03 |
| kgriffs | and for edge case (where a claim expires before a worker is done with it, and get's picked up by another worker) | 17:03 |
| flaper87 | I'm open to discus it further if you guys want | 17:03 |
| zyuan_ | (you will see) | 17:03 |
| amitgandhi | claims are eventually released, at whcih point it can be deleted by the producer | 17:04 |
| oz_akan_ | amitgandhi: +! | 17:04 |
| kgriffs | anyone want to change their vote? | 17:04 |
| oz_akan_ | +1 | 17:04 |
| oz_akan_ | no | 17:04 |
| oz_akan_ | not me I mean | 17:04 |
| kgriffs | #endvote | 17:04 |
| openstack | Voted on "require claim_id in all cases when deleting a message that is claimed?" Results are | 17:04 |
| openstack | Yes (5): amitgandhi, ametts, oz_akan_, cppcabrera, flaper87 | 17:04 |
| openstack | No (3): malini, zyuan_, kgriffs | 17:04 |
| kgriffs | I'm OK with the majority as it stands | 17:05 |
| zyuan_ | democracy is to protect the minority | 17:05 |
| kgriffs | can I get a volunteer to make the change? | 17:05 |
| zyuan_ | (it was said that) | 17:05 |
| kgriffs | heh | 17:05 |
| cppcabrera | I'm happy either way - only by using the system and let others take it for a spin will we learn what really works. | 17:06 |
| kgriffs | given that Flaper87 voted yes, and mine was a "soft" no (in my mind), I think this decision should stand | 17:06 |
| cppcabrera | s/let/letting | 17:06 |
| zyuan_ | at least, that what i learn in US university | 17:06 |
| kgriffs | cppcabrera: +1 zillion | 17:06 |
| oz_akan_ | oh so our votes are halg | 17:06 |
| flaper87 | cppcabrera: +1 | 17:06 |
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| kgriffs | votes matter, but core team members I think have the final say. | 17:07 |
| oz_akan_ | uep | 17:08 |
| oz_akan_ | why can't I type today | 17:08 |
| kgriffs | I think that is kinda how openstack works | 17:08 |
| kgriffs | #endmeeting | 17:08 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 19 17:08:30 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:08 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-08-19-16.03.html | 17:08 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-08-19-16.03.txt | 17:08 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-08-19-16.03.log.html | 17:08 |
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| kgriffs | zyuan_: that debate was core to the constitutional convention; small states didn't want to have their number of seats in congress rest solely on population, since they were afraid their "minority" voice would forever be at the mercy of the larger states. | 17:09 |
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| kgriffs | but I digress… :D | 17:09 |
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| colinmcnamara | Present | 20:01 |
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| colinmcnamara | Anybody else here for the OpenStack training meeting? | 20:02 |
| dachary | yes :-) | 20:02 |
| colinmcnamara | Welcome | 20:02 |
| rev | yup | 20:02 |
| colinmcnamara | we'll give it till 1:05 for everyone to join | 20:02 |
| colinmcnamara | Sean said he may have a conflict, I'll run the meeting in his place | 20:02 |
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| colinmcnamara | Sean is trying to log on | 20:04 |
| colinmcnamara | one min guys | 20:04 |
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| colinmcnamara | howdy sean | 20:05 |
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| sarob | That was strange | 20:05 |
| sarob | Meeting started yet? | 20:06 |
| colinmcnamara | No, was waiting till 1:05 | 20:06 |
| sarob | #startmeeting training-manuals | 20:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 19 20:06:30 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 20:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' | 20:06 |
| sarob | Okay lets start | 20:07 |
| colinmcnamara | ready | 20:07 |
| sarob | Anyone lurking? | 20:08 |
| colinmcnamara | rev an dachary are | 20:08 |
| rev | maybe... who wants to know? | 20:08 |
| dachary | :-) | 20:08 |
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| dachary | I plan to participate and not just lurk | 20:08 |
| colinmcnamara | even better | 20:08 |
| colinmcnamara | first Topic? | 20:08 |
| rev | ditto | 20:08 |
| sarob | #topic two week sprint focused on assoc training | 20:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "two week sprint focused on assoc training (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 20:08 | |
| sarob | Welcome all | 20:09 |
| colinmcnamara | so, is the topic what items do we want in the sprint, and when do we want to start it? | 20:09 |
| sarob | Colin you were working on some slide ? | 20:09 |
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| colinmcnamara | I am, putting together an ignite deck | 20:10 |
| sarob | Sure lets start there | 20:10 |
| colinmcnamara | that I will give at VMworld | 20:10 |
| sarob | Ready enough for community? | 20:10 |
| colinmcnamara | the ignite deck? | 20:10 |
| colinmcnamara | it's a why deck | 20:11 |
| sarob | I'd like to blast out an email to the mailing list | 20:11 |
| colinmcnamara | for what Topic. The two week sprint? | 20:11 |
| sarob | Asking for community contribution | 20:11 |
| colinmcnamara | yes, I think we are ready | 20:11 |
| colinmcnamara | my ignite deck is not though | 20:11 |
| colinmcnamara | my contribution schedule is heavy on nights and weekends due to day job pressures | 20:11 |
| sarob | Can we add the why deck later on this week? | 20:12 |
| colinmcnamara | I am going to have that deck ready by next wednesday | 20:12 |
| sarob | Okay that good with me | 20:12 |
| colinmcnamara | i have lots of 9-5 work pressures that are forcing my OpenStack stuff to nights and weekends | 20:12 |
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| sarob | Okay, sorry about that | 20:13 |
| colinmcnamara | no worries | 20:13 |
| colinmcnamara | just life | 20:13 |
| sarob | Do what you can | 20:13 |
| colinmcnamara | in a couple weeks, my schedule should normalize | 20:13 |
| colinmcnamara | also, once we get to the delivery portion of the associate course | 20:14 |
| sarob | I'll put out an email for review right after the meeting | 20:14 |
| colinmcnamara | then I can spend time internally deliverying it and improving | 20:14 |
| sarob | #action sarob will announce training open for business today | 20:14 |
| sarob | #topic get community contributors from the user groups | 20:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "get community contributors from the user groups (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 20:15 | |
| colinmcnamara | Shannon McFarland has signed up for community | 20:16 |
| sarob | Everyone think this is the first group to tap? | 20:16 |
| colinmcnamara | Denver user group | 20:16 |
| colinmcnamara | this? = SFbay? | 20:16 |
| sarob | Coolo | 20:16 |
| colinmcnamara | RTP is on board, and Mestery is running MSP | 20:16 |
| colinmcnamara | I think that is a good 3 | 20:16 |
| sarob | Meaning all user groups | 20:16 |
| colinmcnamara | I do think we should go through a controlled beta to get the process together | 20:17 |
| colinmcnamara | where we can measure and improve | 20:17 |
| colinmcnamara | e.g. the user group organizer is active | 20:17 |
| dachary | Would it make sense for me to suggest the French user group joins / participates ? | 20:17 |
| colinmcnamara | also, boston with (blanking on his name) | 20:17 |
| colinmcnamara | not spotify… | 20:17 |
| colinmcnamara | craig…. (insert last name) volunteered | 20:17 |
| sarob | Dachary yes def | 20:17 |
| colinmcnamara | That is brilliant (Dacary) | 20:18 |
| colinmcnamara | that way we can get multi-content and language | 20:18 |
| sarob | Lets start the list from this irc session | 20:18 |
| sarob | I'll reach out directly | 20:18 |
| dachary | What's the primary URL for a user group to figure out how they can contribute ? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Training-manuals ? | 20:19 |
| sarob | Zechicle too | 20:19 |
| colinmcnamara | I'd like to reach out rather early to some of the users groups from economic disadvantaged area's | 20:19 |
| colinmcnamara | and get early engagement | 20:19 |
| colinmcnamara | e.g. your Africa users group idea Sarob | 20:19 |
| colinmcnamara | Rob signed up? Awesome | 20:19 |
| colinmcnamara | probably need to update the wiki | 20:20 |
| sarob | docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-training | 20:20 |
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| colinmcnamara | Next topic? | 20:21 |
| sarob | #link docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-training | 20:21 |
| sarob | #topic sprint day | 20:21 |
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| sarob | 11sep is the date | 20:21 |
| colinmcnamara | W00T! | 20:22 |
| colinmcnamara | I have space set up in pleasanton, with food and drink | 20:22 |
| sarob | Me setup eventbrite | 20:22 |
| colinmcnamara | is that done or a todo? | 20:22 |
| sarob | Todo | 20:22 |
| sarob | #action sarob to set eventbrite | 20:23 |
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| sarob | Me to use yahoo conference stuff? | 20:23 |
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| colinmcnamara | that is probably best. | 20:23 |
| sarob | np | 20:24 |
| colinmcnamara | Nexus provides space and food, Yahoo provide bridging | 20:24 |
| colinmcnamara | plus it is a consistent bridge | 20:24 |
| sarob | Cool | 20:24 |
| sarob | I'm done | 20:24 |
| colinmcnamara | do we need space in any other geographys? | 20:24 |
| sarob | Depends on who signs up | 20:24 |
| sarob | Dachary? | 20:24 |
| dachary | does this sprint day need to be synchronized with all user groups ? | 20:24 |
| sarob | Nope | 20:25 |
| sarob | Just core team plus a few others | 20:25 |
| dachary | Ok. | 20:25 |
| sarob | Dachary you interested? | 20:25 |
| sarob | np if not | 20:25 |
| * dachary still trying to figure out what it is about. | 20:26 | |
| colinmcnamara | Dachary, where are you located? | 20:26 |
| dachary | I'm in Paris | 20:26 |
| rev | What is the objective of the sprint day? | 20:26 |
| sarob | Sprint day would be to clean | 20:26 |
| colinmcnamara | work though sprint backlog items | 20:26 |
| colinmcnamara | to edit review, and merge | 20:27 |
| colinmcnamara | in a quick manner | 20:27 |
| colinmcnamara | making progress through our backlog | 20:27 |
| rev | thx | 20:27 |
| sarob | Up and finish associate training | 20:27 |
| dachary | I'll be there, 100% | 20:27 |
| colinmcnamara | https://trello.com/b/XaRTBVGq/openstack-training | 20:27 |
| sarob | Cool | 20:27 |
| colinmcnamara | sprint backlog is the priority. Get to rough draft stage | 20:27 |
| colinmcnamara | i'm I off on that Sean? | 20:27 |
| sarob | Dachary remotely? | 20:27 |
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| dachary | yes :-) | 20:27 |
| dachary | is it possible ? | 20:28 |
| sarob | Yes def | 20:28 |
| rev | I'm already taking time away from day job for Doc Bootcamp the two days right before-hand. | 20:28 |
| sarob | np | 20:28 |
| colinmcnamara | are you going to be on US time for the doc bootcamp? | 20:28 |
| sarob | Do what you an | 20:28 |
| colinmcnamara | or, in the US? | 20:28 |
| sarob | Can | 20:28 |
| * dachary blocking sept 11th | 20:28 | |
| sarob | Sweet | 20:28 |
| rev | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Docs_Bootcamp_2013 | 20:28 |
| colinmcnamara | thats the one, with Anne down in Mtn View | 20:29 |
| rev | Mountain View, CA 9-10 Sept | 20:29 |
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| colinmcnamara | Rev / Dachary, will either of you be there in person? | 20:29 |
| rev | Doc Bootcamp yes. Sprnt... prolly not | 20:29 |
| colinmcnamara | then Sean and I will see you there at the bootcamp | 20:30 |
| rev | :-) | 20:30 |
| * dachary https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Docs_Bootcamp_2013 I won't make it in person, no | 20:30 | |
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| sarob | #topic other topics | 20:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "other topics (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 20:31 | |
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| colinmcnamara | Id like to review the priority list | 20:31 |
| colinmcnamara | in the trello board | 20:31 |
| sarob | Okay | 20:31 |
| colinmcnamara | and make sure that we are effectively prioritizing | 20:31 |
| colinmcnamara | and insert any items that need to be there | 20:32 |
| colinmcnamara | Currently under doing | 20:32 |
| colinmcnamara | 1. recruit core members | 20:32 |
| colinmcnamara | 2. Trevor (new contributor) has a story he is working throuh | 20:32 |
| colinmcnamara | 3. create ignite deck - Colin | 20:32 |
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| colinmcnamara | current priority list | 20:32 |
| colinmcnamara | 1. establish eventrbrite site - sean | 20:32 |
| colinmcnamara | 2. run through / time basic install guide | 20:32 |
| sarob | Right | 20:33 |
| colinmcnamara | are there any other items that need to be put int he priority list to support the next two week sprint or the 11th sprint? | 20:33 |
| sarob | Email to community list | 20:34 |
| sarob | Review sprint progress at next irc meet | 20:34 |
| sarob | That's it | 20:34 |
| colinmcnamara | k | 20:34 |
| colinmcnamara | added | 20:34 |
| dachary | it would greatly help to have a short overview for new members like me. Not sure if this is relevant. I'll figure things out. | 20:34 |
| colinmcnamara | I am going to have the ignite deck recorded | 20:34 |
| colinmcnamara | and post the video / slideshare | 20:35 |
| sarob | Read the very first page of the docs | 20:35 |
| sarob | Too | 20:35 |
| dachary | I'm prepared to spend ~4-8h a week. If it's typically what's expected from a new core member then a short introduction probably does not matter so much. | 20:35 |
| dachary | colinmcnamara: great :-) | 20:35 |
| sarob | That will be great | 20:35 |
| colinmcnamara | Awesome | 20:35 |
| colinmcnamara | I have one other topic I want to cover | 20:36 |
| sarob | Okay | 20:36 |
| colinmcnamara | #topic user-group agenda | 20:37 |
| colinmcnamara | I'd like to formally propose and assign leaders to two different tracks in the advanced devops (I think this will be a good structure for others) | 20:37 |
| * dachary subscribed to https://trello.com/b/XaRTBVGq/openstack-training | 20:37 | |
| sarob | #topic user group agenda | 20:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "user group agenda (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 20:37 | |
| colinmcnamara | one leader helping people through git, gerrit, mvn etc | 20:37 |
| colinmcnamara | and another leader helping people through pulling stories, submitting, reviewing | 20:37 |
| colinmcnamara | basically, divide and conquer | 20:38 |
| sarob | Hmm sounds interesting | 20:38 |
| sarob | Cool | 20:38 |
| colinmcnamara | I know there are a bunch of members who are ready to contribute | 20:38 |
| colinmcnamara | want to make sure that they get through the process during the in person sessions | 20:38 |
| colinmcnamara | so they can take that momementum offline | 20:38 |
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| rev | +1 | 20:38 |
| colinmcnamara | in the two week gaps | 20:38 |
| rev | I got really lost trying to install Gerrit workflow on my PC at user-gropu | 20:39 |
| rev | by myself | 20:39 |
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| colinmcnamara | It does take a bit of time | 20:39 |
| rev | Too many python dependenies | 20:39 |
| sarob | Good | 20:39 |
| colinmcnamara | then once we have the associate content ready for beta | 20:39 |
| colinmcnamara | going to have to assign a 3rd lead to deliver content | 20:40 |
| colinmcnamara | and capture bugs / feeback | 20:40 |
| colinmcnamara | I think that structure is something that we can experiment w/ in SFbay | 20:40 |
| colinmcnamara | and then rubber stamp to other users group as a proposed structure | 20:40 |
| sarob | I'm in | 20:40 |
| colinmcnamara | so then the action necessary is to identify who is going to do what before the meetup | 20:41 |
| colinmcnamara | so we can structure it, and then communicate clearly through the meetup page | 20:41 |
| colinmcnamara | prior | 20:41 |
| sarob | That will help | 20:41 |
| sarob | Alot | 20:41 |
| sarob | Having structure plan | 20:41 |
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| colinmcnamara | yup, I'm happy to be the org structure nazi | 20:42 |
| dachary | :-D | 20:42 |
| colinmcnamara | and the Scrum taskmaster ;) | 20:42 |
| sarob | I helps | 20:43 |
| sarob | A lot | 20:43 |
| colinmcnamara | Probably good to reach out on the meetup mailing list and ask for volunteers | 20:43 |
| sarob | It helps a lot | 20:43 |
| colinmcnamara | :) | 20:43 |
| colinmcnamara | Thats all I have | 20:43 |
| sarob | Yeah, let's include that in the sprint email | 20:43 |
| sarob | I'm done | 20:44 |
| colinmcnamara | AOB? | 20:44 |
| sarob | Anyone else? | 20:44 |
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| sarob | Going | 20:44 |
| dachary | would someone be willing to mentor me into becoming an effective contributor to this effort ? I could read thru the docs and the archive of these meetings and I will if noone has time :-) | 20:44 |
| sarob | Hand up | 20:44 |
| dachary | \o/ | 20:44 |
| dachary | thanks :-) | 20:44 |
| rev | I'd love to help with delivery... but my OpenStack chops are still pretty pathetic. | 20:45 |
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| colinmcnamara | well, don't feel bad. We all start somewhere | 20:45 |
| colinmcnamara | the goal of this project is to lower the barrier to adoption | 20:45 |
| sarob | Dachary when start? | 20:45 |
| colinmcnamara | and at the same time increase active contribution | 20:45 |
| rev | heh. Yeh. but trust me... teaching when you don't know your subject is hell. | 20:46 |
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| rev | OTOH, teaching is the best way to learn. :-) | 20:46 |
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| dachary | sarob: tomorrow would be possible for you ? It's late here already and I have a patch to rebase right now ;-) | 20:46 |
| sarob | no prob | 20:46 |
| sarob | Ping me on time | 20:46 |
| sarob | Lets call it | 20:47 |
| colinmcnamara | l8ter guys | 20:47 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 20:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 19 20:47:35 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-08-19-20.06.html | 20:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-08-19-20.06.txt | 20:47 |
| rev | ciao | 20:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-08-19-20.06.log.html | 20:47 |
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| sarob | Welcome all | 20:47 |
| sarob | And thanks | 20:47 |
| dachary | \o | 20:48 |
| colinmcnamara | thanks everyone. Colin out | 20:48 |
| sarob | word | 20:48 |
| dachary | sarob: do you see my PM ? | 20:48 |
| sarob | pm? | 20:49 |
| dachary | private message :-) | 20:49 |
| dachary | sarob: when would be a good time for you to chat tomorrow ? | 20:50 |
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