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SlickNik | hello trove folk. | 20:01 |
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datsun180b | hello | 20:01 |
cweidenkeller | Hello | 20:01 |
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vipul | yello | 20:01 |
vipul | o/ | 20:01 |
isviridov_ | o/ | 20:02 |
juice | o/ | 20:02 |
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amytron | o/ | 20:02 |
cp16net | o^/ | 20:02 |
SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 20:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 28 20:02:41 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:02 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 20:02 |
kevinconway | \o/ | 20:02 |
SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 20:03 |
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imsplitbit | o/ | 20:03 |
pdmars | o/ | 20:03 |
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esp | o/ | 20:03 |
robertmyers | o/ | 20:03 |
SlickNik | Feel free to add items to the agenda if you want to bring them up. | 20:03 |
cp16net | o^/ | 20:03 |
ashestakov | o/ | 20:04 |
vipul | I think the agenda is mostly from last week btw | 20:04 |
SlickNik | #topic action items | 20:04 |
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SlickNik | yeah, I left some of the items in, in case people had updates. | 20:04 |
SlickNik | If not, I'm going to remove them and move right along. | 20:04 |
SlickNik | imsplitbit: you're up on the first one | 20:04 |
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imsplitbit | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/trove+branch:master+topic:clustering,n,z | 20:05 |
SlickNik | 1.imsplitbit to push up cluster api to feature branch | 20:05 |
imsplitbit | BAM | 20:05 |
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vipul | nice | 20:05 |
SlickNik | Awesome, nice work. Thanks for pushing that up. | 20:05 |
imsplitbit | lesson learned from that... | 20:05 |
imsplitbit | the command is "git review -t topic" | 20:05 |
imsplitbit | if you make a change and need to resubmit | 20:05 |
imsplitbit | you can't just do "git review" | 20:05 |
imsplitbit | it doesn't store the topic local | 20:06 |
vipul | because it has a dependency? | 20:06 |
imsplitbit | not sure yet | 20:06 |
imsplitbit | but if you do git review it pulls it from the topic | 20:06 |
imsplitbit | you have to do git review -t topic EVERY time | 20:06 |
imsplitbit | any change | 20:06 |
SlickNik | #info The command is "git review -t topic" if you make a change and need to resubmit. You can't just do "git review" as it doesn't store the topic local | 20:06 |
imsplitbit | so just an FYI for the team if | 20:07 |
imsplitbit | like that | 20:07 |
SlickNik | Sounds good. | 20:07 |
SlickNik | Next we have: hub_cap to find out what happens w/ feature based reviews that land after FF | 20:07 |
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imsplitbit | he's flying | 20:07 |
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SlickNik | I'm not sure of that, so I'm going to re-action it to remind us next week. | 20:07 |
datsun180b | and boy i bet his arms are tired | 20:08 |
imsplitbit | omg | 20:08 |
imsplitbit | I knew someone was gonna say it | 20:08 |
SlickNik | #action hub_cap to find out what happens w/ feature based reviews that land after FF | 20:08 |
SlickNik | heh | 20:08 |
SlickNik | never fails. :) | 20:08 |
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SlickNik | Next one is mine: SlickNik update devstack review to add role to default devstack users. | 20:08 |
SlickNik | I was looking into this a bit more, and it seemed like other OS component do things differently. | 20:09 |
SlickNik | eg. neutron creates a _separate_ user like radmin and gives that user the role. | 20:10 |
SlickNik | So I'm still trying to figure out what the right thing to do here is. | 20:10 |
isviridov_ | the same for heat user | 20:11 |
vipul | why don't we just create a user and give it the trove role? woudl they object? | 20:11 |
SlickNik | I've decided, that it's best that I leave the current devstack patch as is (it has gotten positive reviews so far, and I don't want to jinx it) and do this work later as part of another change-set. | 20:11 |
SlickNik | vipul: that's what we're doing right now, and I haven't heard any objections. | 20:11 |
SlickNik | We were talking about this as an optimization. | 20:12 |
vipul | ok.. | 20:12 |
vipul | sound good to me | 20:12 |
SlickNik | okay, that's all I had to say about that. | 20:12 |
SlickNik | gonna re-action to do some more digging/investigation here. | 20:12 |
SlickNik | #action: SlickNik to leave current patch as is and investigate adding trove role to default devstack users in another patch. | 20:13 |
SlickNik | You're up next datsun180b | 20:13 |
SlickNik | * datsun180b to do pull request on phase one of Trove Conductor | 20:13 |
datsun180b | almost there--got the daemon built, just need to tune it in right. supplanting the GA to feed Conductor instead of writing the the DB itself was straightforward. | 20:14 |
datsun180b | no commit yet, but soon | 20:14 |
KennethWilke | weee | 20:14 |
datsun180b | reaction me if you please | 20:15 |
SlickNik | sounds good, looking forward to the commit. Want to re-action it for next week? | 20:15 |
datsun180b | that's a yes | 20:15 |
SlickNik | #action datsun180b to do pull request on phase one of Trove Conductor | 20:15 |
SlickNik | moving on | 20:15 |
SlickNik | * Find json style guide vipul hub_cap grapex | 20:15 |
vipul | so since the other two are out.. | 20:16 |
vipul | it's all over the place.. camelCase vs underscore | 20:16 |
vipul | in openstack APIs that is | 20:16 |
vipul | https://lists.launchpad.net/openstack/msg23779.html | 20:16 |
vipul | Someone tried to point this out.. but went nowhere | 20:16 |
konetzed | we we can fix it on our project at least | 20:16 |
SlickNik | That makes me sad :( | 20:16 |
imsplitbit | yeah | 20:17 |
imsplitbit | it makes me super sad | 20:17 |
vipul | I think it makes sense to do it v2 | 20:17 |
SlickNik | Yes, we should pick a style for us and keep to it. | 20:17 |
amytron | agreed | 20:17 |
KennethWilke | +1 | 20:17 |
konetzed | maybe we can have a trickle up effect | 20:17 |
kevinconway | vipul: most JS guides suggest camel | 20:17 |
imsplitbit | I agree 100% | 20:17 |
imsplitbit | I'm fine with either | 20:17 |
imsplitbit | I would just like to see consistency | 20:17 |
konetzed | i dont care i just want something consistant | 20:17 |
vipul | javascript prefers camelcase.. python is underscore.. is what i see | 20:17 |
cp16net | i recall talks at the summit over this but nothing was ever decided on | 20:18 |
kevinconway | our variable don't have to match our API output | 20:18 |
KennethWilke | hungarian notation it is! | 20:18 |
SlickNik | Yeah same here. I don't have a preference as long as we're consistent. Let me action this for the team to discuss with hub_cap and grapex when they get back? | 20:18 |
datsun180b | probably the best idea | 20:18 |
vipul | yea, let's pick something for v2 (whenever that happens) | 20:18 |
kevinconway | i think we should run jslint over trove and see what happens | 20:18 |
datsun180b | what'll happen is there will be a kevin-shaped crater in your seat | 20:19 |
SlickNik | #action team needs to discuss and come up with a consistent JSON notation across API | 20:19 |
SlickNik | #action ^^hub_cap grapex vipul SlickNik | 20:19 |
konetzed | SlickNik: you think that will be decided by next meeting? | 20:20 |
esp | datsun180b: lol | 20:20 |
datsun180b | the decision can happen quickly, but implementing it completely likely won't | 20:20 |
konetzed | datsun180b: thats a given :D | 20:20 |
konetzed | but sooner decision is mad the sooner we stop taking on tech debt | 20:20 |
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konetzed | /mad/made | 20:21 |
amytron | konetzed: +1 | 20:21 |
SlickNik | konetzed: I'd sure hope so. | 20:21 |
imsplitbit | +1 | 20:21 |
esp | I'm guessing there will be client and server side validation? | 20:21 |
kevinconway | i think we should modify all old commits to make it look like we always complied with the style we choose | 20:21 |
esp | vipul: yt? | 20:22 |
SlickNik | kevinconway: let's talk about that offline in trove once hub_cap and grapex are around. | 20:22 |
vipul | ping | 20:22 |
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SlickNik | s/trove/#openstack-trove | 20:22 |
SlickNik | Okay, moving on. | 20:23 |
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SlickNik | #topic Automated Backups Design Update | 20:23 |
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cp16net | joy | 20:23 |
SlickNik | cp16net: take it away | 20:24 |
cp16net | so we talked last week with a few people about the api | 20:24 |
cp16net | and i think we came to the realization that there is lots of metadata and not all of it makes sense for the first pass | 20:24 |
cp16net | so we changed the sturcture around a bit to accomodate the task_metadata | 20:25 |
cp16net | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove/scheduled-tasks | 20:25 |
cp16net | we moved the retention period andnotifications | 20:26 |
cp16net | with that being said i sounded like the overview of the api was accecpted by those that were involved in the chat | 20:26 |
cp16net | i dont recall who that all the was right now | 20:27 |
SlickNik | Thanks for the wiki page updates and the link cp16net | 20:27 |
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cp16net | i've worked on creating the api and database model for this | 20:27 |
cp16net | i'll add it to the wiki so that its documented as well | 20:27 |
cp16net | i have not made much more progress | 20:28 |
SlickNik | okay, sounds good. | 20:28 |
kevinconway | cp16net: some of your params say options | 20:28 |
kevinconway | as in you don't have to pass them in the request? | 20:28 |
kevinconway | *optional | 20:28 |
cp16net | #action cp16net add the database model to the scheduled_task wiki | 20:28 |
cp16net | kevinconway: i am not sure which ones you are speaking of | 20:29 |
kevinconway | notifications: - optional | 20:29 |
cp16net | description? | 20:29 |
kevinconway | notifications: - optional | 20:29 |
kevinconway | oops | 20:29 |
kevinconway | same pasta | 20:29 |
cp16net | ahh yea | 20:29 |
kevinconway | but yeah | 20:29 |
cp16net | that was the idea | 20:29 |
kevinconway | does our api validation allow for optional params? | 20:29 |
juice | yes | 20:29 |
SlickNik | I think it does. | 20:30 |
imsplitbit | yuppers | 20:30 |
SlickNik | okay, thanks for the update cp16net | 20:30 |
cp16net | well you dont validate it then its all optional right? | 20:30 |
cp16net | :-P | 20:30 |
vipul | I can see a whole bunch of stuff around notifications | 20:30 |
cp16net | but thats something to look at kevinconway | 20:30 |
vipul | like notification type.. | 20:30 |
vipul | but maybe we don't want to worry about that now | 20:31 |
cp16net | vipul: yeah it could snowball that way | 20:31 |
SlickNik | #action Team to go through the wiki changes at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove/scheduled-tasks and give cp16net feedback | 20:31 |
cp16net | SlickNik: thanks plz do! | 20:31 |
cp16net | :) | 20:31 |
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SlickNik | Let's move on for now. | 20:31 |
cp16net | let me know if anyone wants to chat during the week or anything about it | 20:32 |
vipul | looks good cp16net | 20:32 |
SlickNik | #topic Clustering API update | 20:32 |
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cp16net | ty sir | 20:32 |
imsplitbit | models and views are done | 20:32 |
imsplitbit | I'm in the middle of making the create call then I'll submit | 20:33 |
imsplitbit | this is API only | 20:33 |
SlickNik | awesome, thanks imsplitbit. | 20:33 |
vipul | imsplitbit: do we want to start serioiusly looking at some of this for the purposes of merging now? or is that something we want to hold off on | 20:33 |
imsplitbit | well I would love feedback on the existing code for clustertypes | 20:33 |
imsplitbit | but with the feature freeze for havana next week | 20:34 |
cp16net | vipul: i thought this was going to wait until I | 20:34 |
imsplitbit | it makes sense to give feedback | 20:34 |
imsplitbit | but not merge | 20:34 |
cp16net | yeah | 20:34 |
vipul | cp16net: Ok just checking.. | 20:34 |
vipul | yea probably no new api's in H | 20:34 |
cp16net | hub_cap mentioned that last weeke | 20:34 |
cp16net | err week before | 20:35 |
imsplitbit | and last week too | 20:35 |
SlickNik | Waiting till I for this seems prudent. | 20:35 |
imsplitbit | :) | 20:35 |
cp16net | tru | 20:35 |
imsplitbit | agree | 20:35 |
SlickNik | Any more questions / shall we move on? | 20:35 |
vipul | ok maybe i wasn't paying attention :P | 20:35 |
imsplitbit | moving on :) | 20:35 |
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SlickNik | #topic Flavors per Service Type Update | 20:35 |
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SlickNik | Looks like there's a review for this up | 20:35 |
cp16net | link? | 20:36 |
vipul | I believe it's still in Draft | 20:36 |
vipul | don't think the author is here.. SushilKM | 20:36 |
vipul | So he's got some tests to write, and he'll make it public | 20:36 |
SlickNik | Okay, it's still work in progress then. | 20:36 |
vipul | I've reviewed it | 20:36 |
vipul | but it's coming along | 20:37 |
cp16net | ok | 20:37 |
vipul | there are a couple of things that stem from it | 20:37 |
vipul | 1. manage flavors through mgmt api.. | 20:37 |
vipul | 2. restrict which flavor can be booted per service_type | 20:37 |
vipul | 3. filter 'flavor list' by service type | 20:37 |
vipul | I've seen work for 1&2 | 20:38 |
cp16net | bp? | 20:38 |
vipul | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/service-type-filter-on-flavors | 20:39 |
SlickNik | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/service-type-filter-on-flavors | 20:39 |
SlickNik | Thanks for the update vipul. | 20:39 |
isviridov_ | Does #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43741/ work for you? | 20:39 |
cp16net | nope | 20:40 |
cp16net | all the links are broken | 20:40 |
SlickNik | I think that was the draft vipul was talking about. | 20:40 |
SlickNik | It's still WIP, as he mentioned. | 20:40 |
SlickNik | So let's move on to the next topic. | 20:40 |
SlickNik | #topic Trove Conductor Update | 20:41 |
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demorris | vipul: so is this similar to what I submitted for types/versions? | 20:41 |
SlickNik | Skipping this one since datsun180b already gave an update about it. | 20:41 |
SlickNik | (Thanks!) | 20:41 |
vipul | demorris: kinda... although there is no explicit service_type api | 20:41 |
cp16net | ok i would like some more info on this :) | 20:41 |
datsun180b | that was easy | 20:41 |
SlickNik | datsun180b: anything else to add or should we move on? | 20:42 |
vipul | demorris: the requirement is to be able to define Nova flavors per Trove service type | 20:42 |
ashestakov | hey guys | 20:42 |
ashestakov | want to discuss this one https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove/trove-versions-types | 20:42 |
datsun180b | nothing relevant | 20:42 |
SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 20:42 |
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ashestakov | i suggests add support of dbms version select on instance create | 20:42 |
demorris | vipul: hmm what does that mean exactly | 20:42 |
vipul | ashestakov: good timing you got demorris here | 20:42 |
demorris | sweet | 20:42 |
demorris | yeah, lets discuss | 20:42 |
ashestakov | maybe we can eliminate service_type percona and use percona as version on mysql | 20:43 |
ashestakov | for example [oracle-mysql-5.1.69, oracle-mysql-5.5.32, percona-mysql-5.5.11, percona-mysql-5.6.23, mariadb-5.5.18] | 20:43 |
ashestakov | on instance creation should be possible to select service_type and dbms_version from the list | 20:43 |
vipul | ashestakov: I'm generally Ok with that.. we need to consider backwards compatibility though | 20:43 |
demorris | the model I used was the name was DB + Major Version and then full version in the list | 20:44 |
demorris | where it could be N+1 depending on how many versions you actually support | 20:44 |
esp | ashestakov: I think I already have a bug for that. | 20:44 |
esp | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/trove/+bug/1212027 | 20:45 |
ashestakov | i think to each dbms version need map package name and version | 20:45 |
ashestakov | which will be used by GA for install | 20:45 |
vipul | I don't know if a minor version is necessary | 20:46 |
ashestakov | and eliminate mysql_pkg option | 20:46 |
demorris | its is for when you want to communicate updates | 20:46 |
vipul | right i meant it's shouldn't be necessary as a top level 'type' | 20:47 |
ashestakov | vipul: if new minor version of mysql will aailable, how to check what you use now and how | 20:47 |
vipul | ashestakov: trove should upgrade it for you automatically | 20:47 |
vipul | you as a user only care that you want mysql 5.5 | 20:47 |
vipul | not that you want 5.5.29 or 5.5.18 | 20:47 |
ashestakov | if user dont want to upgrade? | 20:48 |
ashestakov | like in amazon rds, it is optional | 20:48 |
cp16net | yeah i think the minor version is a little meticulous | 20:48 |
vipul | that can be a maitenance windoe thing | 20:48 |
vipul | if they choose not to provide a upgrade window.. we choose not to provide upgrades | 20:48 |
demorris | right, so this would be dependent per operator | 20:48 |
kevinconway | seems like minor could actually be major depending on the version scheme used by the dbms | 20:48 |
cp16net | trove doesnt update automatically now | 20:48 |
vipul | cp16net: right, but at some point it will | 20:48 |
cp16net | right | 20:49 |
demorris | you may decide that you want to update automatically or have it be user controlled (due to dbms restarts) | 20:49 |
ashestakov | when will multiverson support, the next step will upgrade i think | 20:49 |
demorris | you may decide that you want to support 10-20 previous versions or just one | 20:49 |
vipul | seems like when you upgrade.. you would want to go to the latest minor version the deployer has set | 20:49 |
demorris | correct, but there could be cases where you don't | 20:50 |
vipul | whether it's manual or automatic.. is there value in allowing users to pick the minor.. | 20:50 |
demorris | I actually would not want to support more than one, but I think the API should allow it | 20:50 |
konetzed | wait, you sometimes dont want that, if your on 5.1 you dont want to go to 5.1 | 20:50 |
konetzed | 5.5 | 20:50 |
vipul | that's different | 20:50 |
vipul | i mean within 5.1 | 20:50 |
konetzed | your talking minor numbers | 20:50 |
SlickNik | konetzed: that's major version | 20:50 |
konetzed | major.minor.rev | 20:50 |
vipul | oh | 20:51 |
vipul | fine :P | 20:51 |
vipul | rev | 20:51 |
kevinconway | konetzed: assuming the devs are using a real versioning scheme | 20:51 |
konetzed | well thats the way i have always seen it so im sorry i was way confused | 20:51 |
cp16net | ashestakov: so you are proposing that these service_types be in the service catalog? | 20:51 |
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kevinconway | in my mind that's how it *should* be | 20:51 |
cp16net | ashestakov: that includes the type and version? | 20:51 |
demorris | guys I have to run to catch a bus, but I want to keep discussing this. | 20:52 |
isviridov_ | According to #link http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/upgrading.html update from 5.1 to 5.5 also needs 5.2, 5.3 ... | 20:52 |
demorris | I will assume that y'all will keep digging on this - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove/trove-versions-types | 20:52 |
kevinconway | demorris: i don't think the folks on the bus will know what you're talking about | 20:52 |
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demorris | kevinconway: correct, I'll keep it to myself | 20:52 |
demorris | :) | 20:52 |
isviridov_ | ) | 20:52 |
vipul | lol | 20:52 |
ashestakov | cp16net: i propose to add possibility to select service_type and dbms_version | 20:53 |
vipul | isviridov_: I assume 5.1 to 5.5 will be something like 'restore from a backup' | 20:53 |
demorris | anyway, just beat up my blueprint and let me know | 20:53 |
SlickNik | so it seems like this needs a longer discussion | 20:53 |
SlickNik | And now might not be the best time to discuss it. | 20:53 |
konetzed | vipul: depends on the backup probably need a mysql dump | 20:53 |
SlickNik | ashestakov: Can we set up a meeting to discuss this at a convenient time for interested parties? | 20:53 |
demorris | offline is okay, i think the list is a good place for this | 20:53 |
demorris | I'd like to see y'all discussing BP's on the list more :) | 20:54 |
ashestakov | SlickNik: sure, when? | 20:54 |
cp16net | i'm not sure putting all the versions in the catalog makes sense | 20:54 |
demorris | later | 20:54 |
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vipul | konetzed: Yea, which might be something we'll have to allow i am assuming.. | 20:54 |
cp16net | tomorrow? | 20:54 |
vipul | works for me | 20:55 |
SlickNik | Are people good with discussing this on the openstack-dev list? | 20:55 |
konetzed | vipul: yea i think we will need the ablity to export (mysql dump) and import (mysql restore) a database | 20:55 |
SlickNik | Or meeting tomorrow? | 20:55 |
SlickNik | Either would work. | 20:55 |
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vipul | btw.. i didn't see any of arborism's emails | 20:55 |
SlickNik | ashestakov: Your preference. Either tomorrow, or offline on openstack-dev. | 20:55 |
cp16net | or mine :( | 20:56 |
vipul | i saw a reply from imsplitbit but the original email just never showed up | 20:56 |
ashestakov | SlickNik: will hub_cap available tomorrow? | 20:56 |
cp16net | ashestakov: yea he will be back | 20:56 |
SlickNik | ashestakov: Not sure. Rackers? | 20:56 |
ashestakov | SlickNik: i think better on meeting | 20:56 |
cp16net | in his bat cave | 20:56 |
SlickNik | Okay, let's talk about this in the channel tomorrow. | 20:56 |
kevinconway | he's stuck on that episode of the twilight zone where the plane keeps jumping around in time | 20:56 |
ashestakov | which time? | 20:56 |
kevinconway | he may be back yesterday | 20:56 |
kevinconway | or never | 20:56 |
datsun180b | <hub_cap> Ill be in a plane all day today. Ill be back online tomorrow back to normal!! | 20:57 |
datsun180b | via email | 20:57 |
amytron | he should be back tomorrow | 20:57 |
cp16net | ok sounds good | 20:57 |
SlickNik | Same time as today (1PST) should work, I think. | 20:57 |
cp16net | +1 | 20:57 |
SlickNik | Okay, before we run out. | 20:58 |
vipul | ok | 20:58 |
SlickNik | Any other items for Open Discussion? | 20:58 |
vipul | don't forget Fantasy football draft at 3pm! | 20:58 |
vipul | :D | 20:58 |
SlickNik | Oh yeah :) | 20:58 |
amytron | haha nice vipul | 20:58 |
SlickNik | #endmeeting | 20:58 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 28 20:58:47 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:58 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-08-28-20.02.html | 20:58 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-08-28-20.02.txt | 20:58 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-08-28-20.02.log.html | 20:58 |
SlickNik | Thanks all | 20:58 |
cp16net | thx | 20:58 |
SlickNik | see you in #openstack-trove | 20:59 |
vipul | thanks | 20:59 |
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esp | thx | 21:01 |
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