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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 3 15:01:05 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
| bswartz | hello! | 15:01 |
| vbelokon | hi! | 15:01 |
| shamail | Hello everyone. | 15:01 |
| caitlin56 | Morning | 15:01 |
| rushiagr2 | hi all! | 15:01 |
| yportnova | hi | 15:01 |
| vponomaryov | hi | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | sorry I didn't put an agenda up on the wiki this week | 15:01 |
| bswartz | we'll have to make it up as we go | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | My ideas for the networking stuff are starting to get clearer, but I still don't have a API design | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | I think I have enough information that I can update the wiki with some details though | 15:03 |
| bswartz | first let's talk about the last week though | 15:03 |
| glenng | ls -l | 15:03 |
| bswartz | glenng: welcome! | 15:03 |
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| glenng | Thanks. Sorry for typing int he wrong window :-) | 15:03 |
| bswartz | glenng is new to the team here at netapp | 15:04 |
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| rushiagr2 | I did some preliminary testing with manila, using CLI, and filed some bugs | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | do we have anyone else new we need to introduce? | 15:04 |
| rushiagr2 | minor issues mostly | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | rushiagr2: thanks | 15:05 |
| bswartz | rushiagr2: anything you'd like to discuss? | 15:05 |
| caitlin56 | Eventually we want to deal with virtual servers, but the network model itself would have to proceed that. | 15:05 |
| rushiagr2 | bswartz: not much.. I'd like to help with anything non-network related. I hate networking stuff :) | 15:06 |
| bswartz | rushiagr2: lol | 15:06 |
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| yportnova | bswartz: I have done some minor bug fixes | 15:07 |
| bswartz | yportnova, vbelokon: anything you want to share? | 15:08 |
| yportnova | Started working on docs https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/docs | 15:08 |
| shamail | Are we on the networking topic or are we discussing last week at the moment? | 15:08 |
| shamail | Sorry, my chat was lagging. | 15:08 |
| bswartz | #topic status | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "status (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:08 | |
| bswartz | shamail: still status | 15:08 |
| bswartz | the networking will be next | 15:08 |
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| yportnova | Also we filed 3 blueprints - two connected with Oslo and one - using taskflow | 15:09 |
| bswartz | thanks -- I haven't yet looked into taskflow | 15:09 |
| bswartz | I understand it will probably be important | 15:09 |
| * rushiagr2 is excited to see taskflow into manila | 15:09 | |
| bswartz | can I ask if anyone is working on new backends yet? | 15:10 |
| rushiagr2 | I saw there have been some issues with taskflow in cinder | 15:10 |
| rushiagr2 | looked like it was hastily merged -- not good test coverage and some high-critical bugs introduced | 15:10 |
| bswartz | I'm eager to see some contributions to help us make our case for incubation | 15:10 |
| caitlin56 | I almost have a commitment to doing a backend for Nexenta. We'll probably have people working on it in 2 weeks. | 15:11 |
| shamail | bswartz: We plan to start working on back end. | 15:11 |
| bswartz | rushiagr2: I thought that taskflow was delayed to icehouse for cinder | 15:11 |
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| rushiagr2 | bswartz: ah! I thought it was merged already.. Definitely I must be wrong.. not attending Cinder meetings lately | 15:11 |
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| shamail | bswartz: I'll connect with you offline (in the other room) to understand how to begin that process. | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | caitlin56, shamail: thats good news, but I'm hoping for some early contributions | 15:12 |
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| caitlin56 | I'll be proposing a new cinder backup via taskflow for icehouse. It should be a prototype for efficient use of backends. | 15:12 |
| bswartz | anything that will help demonstrate multivendor participation in the project to the openstack gonvernance bodies | 15:12 |
| caitlin56 | Which makes it very relevant for Manila. | 15:12 |
| shamail | +1 | 15:12 |
| bswartz | shamail: okay | 15:13 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: that sounds interesting, I look forward to it | 15:13 |
| bswartz | okay so let's move on then | 15:14 |
| bswartz | #topic networking | 15:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "networking (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:14 | |
| bswartz | I still don't have my new thoughts written down on this topic, so I'll try to express them here | 15:14 |
| bswartz | It's pretty clear that priority #1 will be to support full 2-way network connectivity between tenants and backends using neutron | 15:14 |
| bswartz | I don't want to rule out the other approachs -- and I still think a plugin model may be appropriate, but that particular use case seems to be the dominant one | 15:15 |
| bswartz | So that means that backends will need to be able to "join" a tenant's network, presumably by creating new network virtual interfaces on the storage controller dynamically, or something equivalent to that | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | also, it's important that storage controllers can isolate tenant data so tenant A can't see tenant B's data, and vice versa | 15:17 |
| caitlin56 | bswartz: *and* associate it with a file sharing context. | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | In order to join the tenant network, we'll need to integrate with neutron to obtain some IP addresses, etc | 15:18 |
| bswartz | And because security will be important in at least some cases, there need to be an interface for tenants to supply security information to manila, such as: | 15:18 |
| bswartz | DNS server IP, LDAP server hostname, Kerberos server hostname, Kerberos account credentials | 15:19 |
| bswartz | These details could be supplied either with each request to provision storage, or we could add a separate API to allow the user to provide them up front and then reference them later | 15:20 |
| caitlin56 | If they can attach to a tenant network the virtual servers should be able to find the other servers the same way they would have in an in-house network. | 15:20 |
| bswartz | I'm undecided on which approach is better | 15:20 |
| bswartz | I'm leaning towards making it a new API, so that the share-create API doesn't get bogged down with a bunch of extra parameters | 15:21 |
| shamail | I think separate API might be useful | 15:21 |
| bswartz | also, different storage protocols will have different information for security | 15:21 |
| bswartz | a CIFS share will care about the AD domain, and not about Kerberos | 15:21 |
| bswartz | anyone here from RedHat who can talk about what security details Gluster would need? | 15:22 |
| shamail | bswartz: We may also have shared file-systems that span tenants, right? We would want these file-systems to get different config information than the individual tenant | 15:22 |
| caitlin56 | But wouldn't a file server already know whether to look for AD or LDAP? | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | shamail: I think that use case would be rare, I'm not even convinced we need to support it at all | 15:22 |
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| shamail | bswartz: okay, I agree. I was thinking binaries. | 15:23 |
| eharney | bswartz: not off the top of my head, but i can think about it and get back to you | 15:23 |
| caitlin56 | shamail: single tenant has to control any given file system. That's simple. Why not just leave it at that. | 15:23 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: I think you'd need to tell it | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | caitlin56: a tenant might have multiple AD domains, for example | 15:24 |
| caitlin56 | bswartz: but aren't there already mechanisms for tenants todo that. | 15:24 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: a request for storage needs to be associated with exactly 1 domain | 15:24 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: if there are I need to learn about them | 15:24 |
| bswartz | shamail: I can imagine a case where 2 tenants could share a filesystem -- but that would only work when the 2 tenants shared a lot of other infrastructure | 15:25 |
| caitlin56 | bswartz: my concern is that I would prefer if my VServer did not have to be an OpenStack Vserver. | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | shamail: I think that's probably an edge case we can avoid dealing with in the first version | 15:25 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: I don't get what you mean | 15:26 |
| shamail | I agree with both of you (bswartz and caitlin56). I can write something up in the future but not a V1 requirement. | 15:26 |
| caitlin56 | I'd rather that the VServer logic didn't have to know much about openstack after it attached to the network. | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | caitlin56: the "vserver" doesn't need to know about openstack, but manila needs to know enough about the tenant that it can make the vserver work properly | 15:28 |
| bswartz | I'm fairly certain that manila will need to make "vservers" explicitly join various tenant domains | 15:28 |
| caitlin56 | manila knowing is no problem. | 15:29 |
| bswartz | and I'm using the term "vserver" here loosely -- it's a NetApp term but I hope the rest of you understand what it is | 15:29 |
| bswartz | storage backends will need to present views of themselves which are compatible with virtual infrastructure | 15:30 |
| vponomaryov | dont forget about policies for each API command, it is also usefull to restrict access | 15:30 |
| bswartz | It's important that 10 or 100 tenants can all have their manila storage on the same physical backend server | 15:31 |
| bswartz | Otherwise the approach won't scale | 15:31 |
| caitlin56 | It's also important that each tenant be able to manage ACLs internally the same way that they alrady manage them. | 15:32 |
| bswartz | that necessarily means that backends will have multiple IP addresses and be in multiple domains though | 15:32 |
| bswartz | I'm not sure how well other storage backends can cope with requirements like that | 15:32 |
| shamail | bswartz: The principle requirement is to provide adherence with tenant security and connectivity requirements. The actual aspect of how a vendor supports multiple AD domains, LDAP, network address spaces should be considered by each vendor given their architecture. | 15:32 |
| bswartz | shamail: yes | 15:33 |
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| shamail | vponomaryov: +1 | 15:33 |
| bswartz | I don't want to perscribe how backends should be designed, but there are certain features which will be necessary, and could be hard to implement w/ certain hardware/software | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | I want the backend interface to give vendors are much flexibility as possible while still providing the right kinds of security guarantees to the ultimate users | 15:34 |
| bswartz | there's a built in tension there | 15:35 |
| caitlin56 | bswartz: if someone has a computer room network right now, and a system for setitng ACLs and users in their LDAP/AD server, they should be ale to port that entire environment for managing permissions within their domain. | 15:35 |
| bswartz | yes, but with one exception | 15:36 |
| bswartz | whatever they're using to manage the ACLs on their storage backend, will have to switch to calling manila APIs to manage the security of the storage provided by manila | 15:36 |
| bswartz | because manila will hide the details of the backend storage implementation from the tenant, exactly like cinder does | 15:37 |
| bswartz | okay so I plan to update the wiki with some of the stuff we discussed today | 15:38 |
| bswartz | and to outline changes to the API to enable this stuff | 15:38 |
| bswartz | in parallel we need to see how we can actually implement these APIs in the generic LVM backend | 15:39 |
| bswartz | yportnova, vbelokon: I'm going to need your help with that part | 15:39 |
| yportnova | bswartz: sure | 15:39 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | okay so that's about as much as I have for networking | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | anyone have anything else for today? | 15:40 |
| rushiagr2 | whats the plan of incubation request? | 15:40 |
| shamail | I'm going to drop. Have a great day/night everyone! | 15:41 |
| bswartz | shamail: thx | 15:41 |
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| rushiagr2 | i mean, any date we are looking at? | 15:41 |
| bswartz | well if ther are no contributions of working backends planned for the next few weeks we may need to submit an incubation request based on the work that's been done so far by NetApp+Mirantis, and rely on the fact that we haev significant community particitions in these meetings to convince the OpenStack board to accept us for incubation | 15:42 |
| bswartz | by 2 weeks from today I'd like to have the request submitted | 15:43 |
| bswartz | I guess I'll poll people individually about whether we're likely to see any code before then | 15:43 |
| bswartz | if not, we may not wait and just take our chances | 15:43 |
| bswartz | does anyone know who ultimately decides the fate of incubation requests? | 15:44 |
| bswartz | is it the TC or the board of directors or another group? | 15:44 |
| rushiagr2 | the HP and IBM folks were also interested in it isnt it? Havent seen them around from a while.. | 15:44 |
| rushiagr2 | I think it happens in the weekly TC meeting | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | we've had interest from the following companies: RedHat, IBM, EMC, Nexenta, HP, Intel | 15:45 |
| bill_az | rushiagr2: IBM here, we will be submitting BP for GPFS backend | 15:46 |
| bswartz | maybe a bit from solidfire | 15:46 |
| bswartz | Intel probably won't contribute but the rest of those companies are all considering backends | 15:46 |
| bill_az | rushiagr2: and most likely at least one other - not sure of timing yet | 15:46 |
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| vbelokon | Incubation process - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Approved/Incubation | 15:46 |
| bswartz | bill_az: can we expect anything in the next 2 weeks or are you looking at a longer timeline? | 15:47 |
| bill_az | bswartz: will try for next two weeks, but can't commit on that | 15:47 |
| rushiagr2 | bill_az: sorry. Didnt know you are from IBM | 15:47 |
| bill_az | no worries! :-) | 15:47 |
| esker | It is the TC | 15:48 |
| bswartz | okay well I'll ask around a bit more but it seems that our best course of action may be to make the incubation request now | 15:48 |
| esker | The TC will want to see evidence of diverse community participation | 15:48 |
| bswartz | esker: we have ample evidence of participation in these meetings, but it looks doubtful we'll have evidence in gerrit before the HK conference | 15:49 |
| esker | So the IBM BP as well as the RH ones will need to be emphasized in the incubation request | 15:49 |
| esker | BP in lieu of submissions... indicates intent | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | rushiagr2: thanks for your particiation finding and filing bugs | 15:49 |
| esker | rushiagr2: distinguished alumni ;-) | 15:50 |
| rushiagr2 | :-P | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | #action bswartz submit incubation request by end of next week | 15:50 |
| bswartz | okay I don't have anything else | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | okay everyone thanks for attending | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | see you next week or in #mania | 15:51 |
| bswartz | #manila | 15:52 |
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| bswartz | I keep making that typo -- hope it doesn't mean I'm going insane | 15:52 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 3 15:52:25 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2013/manila.2013-10-03-15.01.html | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2013/manila.2013-10-03-15.01.txt | 15:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2013/manila.2013-10-03-15.01.log.html | 15:52 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | weekly savanna team meeting will be here in 5-10 minutes | 17:58 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | hi everyone | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | savanna folks, are you here? | 18:03 |
| crobertsrh | yep | 18:04 |
| dmitryme | yep | 18:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 18:04 |
| aignatov_ | \o | 18:04 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | hi | 18:05 |
| alazarev | o/ | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's start the meeting | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting savanna | 18:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 3 18:05:43 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'savanna' | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Agenda | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info Action items from the last meeting | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info Feature freeze | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info News / updates | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info Roadmap cleanup / update | 18:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:05 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info Design track sessions | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info General discussion | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 18:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-09-26-18.03.html | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | there was two action items from the last meeting about moving monitoring and next-gen arch to the next release | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | both done | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Feature freeze | 18:07 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-September/015800.html | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it's today | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, I'll push rc1 tag in several hours | 18:07 |
| aignatov_ | a have a question about it: do we plan to stop implement new features right now? And what will be with the CRs n the review? | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and it's time to test everything | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | most of the reviews are not new features | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we have one more week before code freeze | 18:08 |
| aignatov_ | ok, that's good | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and feature freeze exceptions could be request | 18:09 |
| alazarev | Regardin data locality feature, does FF means that it will not be included to 0.3? | 18:09 |
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| aignatov_ | I hope it'll be | 18:09 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, let's discuss it when it'll be finished and ready for review | 18:10 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov, ok | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's move on | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:10 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info multi-tenancy resurrected after applying conductor | 18:11 |
| ErikB | We're working on integrating service still making good progress on the HDP side. Hoping to be done early next week | 18:11 |
| NikitaKonovalov | #info Savanna Dashboard is now using python-savannaclient | 18:12 |
| ErikB | We're also looking in detail at Neutron support and what the current gap is. | 18:12 |
| NikitaKonovalov | no code duplication left there | 18:12 |
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| crobertsrh | I think that the EDP UI is close to finished. Currently 1 outstanding review and a couple of bugs. I'm currently trying to do some end-to-end testing. I'll add any bugs that I find. | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | great, looks like EDP is near to be done | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I mean 0.3 scope | 18:13 |
| aignatov_ | this week I was working on EDP, triyed to find some bugs, and there were found :) also had adisscussions with our qa, They started implementing integration tests | 18:13 |
| aignatov_ | crobertsrh, today I'm was not able to delete job object from the UI | 18:13 |
| crobertsrh | were there any job executions that were based on that job? | 18:14 |
| crobertsrh | I will investigate. | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov_, let's discuss it in general discussion section | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any news/updates? | 18:14 |
| aignatov_ | hmm, it seems yes | 18:14 |
| ErikB | we | 18:14 |
| alazarev | Data locality is nearly done, it was working yesterday and I spent today on resolving conflicts after rebase (mostly with concurrent ssh) | 18:14 |
| aignatov_ | I got what you mean, crobertsrh :) | 18:14 |
| ErikB | We're glad to see the multi-tenancy support get resolved. | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ErikB, yeah, me too :) | 18:15 |
| ErikB | When can we discuss Neutron state / support? | 18:15 |
| aignatov_ | general discussions sections I think | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'll add point to agenda before general discussion for it | 18:16 |
| ErikB | thanks | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | for today I mean :) | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any more news? | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Roadmap cleanup / update | 18:16 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | should we update roadmap? | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any thoughts from my side | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Savanna/Roadmap | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Design track sessions | 18:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | as you all know, we are now in Incubator | 18:18 |
| ErikB | +1 | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and so we have 4 time slots at design summit | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Friday (November 8) | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | November 8 (for clients that like smiles) | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link http://summit.openstack.org | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ^^ here you can propose sessions for design summit | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | with topic "savanna" for us | 18:19 |
| aignatov_ | and then we should decide which talks will be there, right? | 18:20 |
| aignatov_ | there -> in the summit | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we'll merge sessions in 4 slots at the end of the next week I think | 18:20 |
| aignatov_ | ok | 18:20 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | here is some info about design track | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, I'm looking for your suggestions | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any questions? | 18:22 |
| ErikB | Suggestion for design track is to how to best spawn a large cluster | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I've already added scalable savanna session | 18:23 |
| ErikB | great. | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | please, comment on it to add details | 18:23 |
| ErikB | ok | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/145 | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Neutron support | 18:24 |
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| ErikB | We are actively looking at Neutron support for a customer. | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Nikita, please, write the current status of Neutron support | 18:25 |
| NikitaKonovalov | What we can do know with Neutron is tell nova to assign a specific network | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ErikB, yep, do you read the Ruslan's answer in ML? | 18:26 |
| ErikB | the requirement, as one would expect is to leverage Neutron without requiring floating/public ip addresses. | 18:26 |
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| ErikB | SergeyLukjanov - yes | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ErikB, as Ruslan said it will not work in case of HA or at least will be hard to implement | 18:27 |
| ruhe | I've replied to Jon today. There might be issues in HA mode deployment | 18:27 |
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| ErikB | Yes, agreed - although I don't understand the details yet. HA is a separate topic I think and providing basic Neutron support is top of mind for us. | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it's ok to add a flag 'use-netns' to use network namespaces in case of non-HA installations | 18:27 |
| NikitaKonovalov | the actual difficulty is there in no access to private network of vms | 18:27 |
| ErikB | Nikita - there is through netns | 18:28 |
| ErikB | using a paramiko proxy you can ssh to the instance on their private network through the controller (where Savanna will presumably be deployed). | 18:28 |
| ruhe | netns will work only when savanna is on the same host with quantum router | 18:29 |
| ErikB | ruhe - yes, that is the only viable option to deploy Savanna with Neutron right? | 18:29 |
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| dmitryme | ErikB: except using floating IPs for provisioning | 18:30 |
| ErikB | Yes, but that negates Neutron completely. | 18:30 |
| ErikB | The reason someone is using Neutron is for security - at least in large part. | 18:30 |
| NikitaKonovalov | afaik the router is tenant specific, but networks might be not | 18:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yep, and for HA installation netns usage will break even floating IPs, so, it could be implemented only as option | 18:30 |
| ErikB | Nikita - yes you are correct routers are tenant specific I believe as well. | 18:31 |
| ErikB | Regardless, we will be implementing this in the short term and if we can get it into 0.3 - even if it is not the final version of Neutron support, it would be a good start. | 18:32 |
| jmaron | routers can be tenant or non-tenant specific | 18:32 |
| jmaron | but tenant routers make sense in most scnearios | 18:32 |
| ruhe | it's a good solution. I just want to make it clear -it'll require advanced ha configuration | 18:33 |
| ErikB | Sergey - is HA on the agenda for design summit? | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ErikB, if you'll be able to push this patch early next week than we can merge it (should be wrapped with flag) | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ErikB, the same topic - scalable savanna | 18:34 |
| alazarev | regarding neutron, do we know exactly how to choose namespace for netns? | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we should discuss new architecture | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | scalable, distributed and HA-friendly | 18:34 |
| ErikB | Sergey - we will look at what we can accomplish in the short term for this. | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and Neutron and Heat and etc. -friendly too :) | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yeah, great | 18:35 |
| jmaron | alazarev - we'll have to explore that issue. there should be a way to map from network to router (we hope ;) ) | 18:35 |
| jmaron | and from router to namespace | 18:35 |
| jmaron | (the latter part is much easier :) ) | 18:35 |
| alazarev | jmaron, will see, it could be rather nono-trivial | 18:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, netns enabling flag for Neutron support could be merged into the 0.3 | 18:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any things to discuss on this topic? | 18:37 |
| jmaron | alazarev -true. we just have to explore and see | 18:37 |
| jmaron | in the short term we may be able to simply configure | 18:38 |
| ruhe | it'll be great to have this patch in0.3 | 18:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yep, absolutely | 18:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's move to the general discusion | 18:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic General discussion | 18:39 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please | 18:39 |
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| ruhe | we're nearing the release date. it's time to work on documentation, especially forEDP. who's willing to participate? | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | nothing to discuss today?^) | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we need volunteers from all sub teams :) | 18:41 |
| aignatov_ | I can create docs for REST API samples | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | trevor, could you help aignatov with writing EDP docs? | 18:42 |
| crobertsrh | I can help with any UI documentation required | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, great, I think it'll be good to add some descriptions for EDP-related workflows on UI | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | for end-users | 18:43 |
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| ruhe | lets create a bp with work items | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ruhe, yeah, good point | 18:44 |
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| crobertsrh | Is there a particular format or template to conform to? | 18:44 |
| jmaron | probably should make sure to look at docs across the board to make sure there are no gaps | 18:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, howdy :) | 18:44 |
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| tmckay | sorry, I forgot completely | 18:44 |
| aignatov_ | also we should have a clear description what EDP is | 18:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, meeting logs http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-10-03-18.05.log.txt | 18:45 |
| * tmckay looks | 18:45 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, could you please help aignatov with writing EDP-related docs? | 18:45 |
| tmckay | sure | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we're discussing state of docs and gaps in them | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, great! | 18:45 |
| aignatov_ | thx, tmckay, will work together | 18:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, aigantov and tmckay will cover EDP docs for backend part, crobertsrh for UI part | 18:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | are there anything more that should be done for 0.3 docs? | 18:46 |
| dmitryme | crobertsrh: we don't have established formats. I think that the general rule should be that all docs should be consistent | 18:47 |
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| aignatov_ | I think it could be the action item to the next week: "find the gaps in docs for 0.3 and fix that" | 18:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yep, no templates | 18:47 |
| ruhe | there's a guide how-to write docs | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #action all to find and fix gaps in the docs for 0.3 release | 18:48 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | who would like to help coordinate doc activity? | 18:49 |
| ruhe | me | 18:50 |
| crobertsrh | Looks like savanna-dashboard has no existing "docs" Is that correct? | 18:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ruhe, great thank you | 18:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, only installation and dev guides | 18:50 |
| tmckay | fyi, aignatov_, I am PTO tomorrow but will be back on Monday | 18:50 |
| tmckay | re docs | 18:50 |
| dmitryme | crobertsrh:nope, just user's guide giving general guildelines | 18:50 |
| aignatov_ | tmckay, no problem, docs activiti could be started on the next week | 18:51 |
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| crobertsrh | Ok. Should I add my new doc to the savanna/doc/source/horizon tree, or should something be added to the savanna-dashboard project itself? | 18:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | additionally, it'll be great to add unit tests :) | 18:51 |
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| crobertsrh | this discussion can just take place in #savanna, no need to figure it all out here | 18:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, to the savanna repo | 18:51 |
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| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, also, I would remind anyone who hasn't to check blueprints too as part of the doc effort | 18:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yeah, tmckay, good point | 18:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #action all to check their blueprints and update their descriptions and statuses | 18:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anything more to discuss? | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #action ruhe to create root documentation blueprint and add work items to it | 18:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, one more minute | 18:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info JFYI you can always use openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org mailing lists and #savanna irc channel to find us and ask your questions | 18:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, thank you all! | 18:57 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 18:57 |
| ruhe | bye | 18:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 3 18:57:36 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-10-03-18.05.html | 18:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-10-03-18.05.txt | 18:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-10-03-18.05.log.html | 18:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | bye, have a good day/night | 18:57 |
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| markwash | good afternoon/evening/morning! | 20:00 |
| markwash | glance folks around? | 20:00 |
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| rosmaita | i forgot to scroll down! | 20:02 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 20:03 |
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| nikhil | o/ | 20:03 |
| markwash | nikhil: hi! | 20:04 |
| nikhil | hi markwash :) | 20:04 |
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| nikhil | guess rosmaita hi5ed before you joined :) | 20:04 |
| markwash | ah | 20:05 |
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| markwash | I guess let's log some stuff! | 20:05 |
| markwash | #startmeeting glance | 20:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 3 20:05:22 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markwash. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:05 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 20:05 |
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| markwash | I've got a (basically empty) agenda up on etherpad | 20:05 |
| markwash | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 20:05 |
| nikhil | i'm in | 20:06 |
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| markwash | flwang: zhiyan: around? | 20:06 |
| zhiyan | sorry i'm late | 20:06 |
| zhiyan | yes, i'm in | 20:06 |
| markwash | cool | 20:06 |
| markwash | reposting that link | 20:06 |
| markwash | agenda here https://etherpad.openstack.org/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 20:06 |
| markwash | I'll run through those real fast | 20:06 |
| zhiyan | thanks | 20:06 |
| markwash | second item first, iccha has nominated flwang and zhiyan for core | 20:07 |
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| markwash | I plan to vote +1 for both as soon as I get my mx records fixed :-) | 20:07 |
| rosmaita | +1, +1 | 20:07 |
| zhiyan | thanks for you strong support! | 20:08 |
| nikhil | sent +1 on ml from my side | 20:08 |
| rosmaita | (i have been unsubscribed from ML, am fixing that now) | 20:08 |
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| zhiyan | thank you nikhil! | 20:08 |
| nikhil | meaning you did not get my meeting invite rosmaita :( | 20:09 |
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| markwash | zhiyan: its going to be great having you on as core | 20:09 |
| markwash | #topic rc1 is out! | 20:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rc1 is out! (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:09 | |
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| zhiyan | thanks markwash! | 20:09 |
| rosmaita | nikhil: what meeting, did i miss it? | 20:10 |
| nikhil | just desing sync up, tom at 14utc | 20:10 |
| nikhil | design* | 20:10 |
| rosmaita | k | 20:10 |
| markwash | since rc1 is out, that means feature freeze no longer applies | 20:10 |
| markwash | hurray | 20:10 |
| nikhil | :) | 20:10 |
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| zhiyan | nikhil: cool, will check that mail | 20:11 |
| nikhil | gr8 job , markwash. loved so many bp/bugs got in this rc!! | 20:11 |
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| nikhil | typing with one hand, 5guys fries are irresistible | 20:11 |
| markwash | haha | 20:12 |
| nikhil | :) | 20:12 |
| markwash | nikhil: so the design syncup, on IRC tomorrow? | 20:12 |
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| nikhil | yes please | 20:12 |
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| markwash | #info async tasks design syncup Oct 4 1400 UTC in #openstack-glance | 20:13 |
| markwash | does that look right? ^^ | 20:13 |
| nikhil | yeah , thanks markwash! | 20:13 |
| markwash | on that note, does https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42817/ still apply? | 20:13 |
| * markwash looks for something to approve to celebrate feature freeze ending | 20:14 | |
| * nikhil looks | 20:14 | |
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| nikhil | markwash: yes, however there were some suggestions on that tabke from venkatesh | 20:15 |
| nikhil | tables* | 20:15 |
| markwash | gotcha | 20:15 |
| markwash | can you link again to the patch we/I should review before the meeting tomorrow? | 20:15 |
| * nikhil is looking into venkatesh's irc win | 20:15 | |
| nikhil | ok sure | 20:15 |
| nikhil | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46117/ | 20:16 |
| nikhil | markwash: ^^ | 20:16 |
| * markwash has been distracted by rc1 bugs and unable to keep up with forward looking reviews | 20:16 | |
| nikhil | zhiyan: has some comments on it | 20:16 |
| markwash | thanks for the link | 20:16 |
| nikhil | would be great to have your thoughts as well | 20:16 |
| nikhil | design wise specifically :) | 20:17 |
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| * markwash nods | 20:17 | |
| zhiyan | nikhil: +1 | 20:17 |
| nikhil | making slight changes to it atm, should not differ by much though | 20:17 |
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| markwash | #topic glanceclient release plan | 20:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "glanceclient release plan (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:18 | |
| markwash | its probably obvious to folks that there is not much of a plan in my head right now, just a general desire | 20:18 |
| markwash | but I did pressure bcwaldon to advance the agenda on a 1.0 release this week | 20:19 |
| markwash | hence we have some reviews | 20:19 |
| zhiyan | cool, so we need review some critical patchs asap? | 20:19 |
| markwash | whoops, false alarm | 20:19 |
| markwash | he hasn't submitted them yet :-( | 20:20 |
| zhiyan | i have some. | 20:20 |
| markwash | zhiyan: I think the priority is normal at this point, unless someone knows some critical issues with glanceclient | 20:20 |
| markwash | or are you talking about glance? | 20:20 |
| zhiyan | no glanceclient | 20:20 |
| zhiyan | except https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42741/ , i think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48480/ , https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48481/ , and https://review.openstack.org/48285 is important. | 20:21 |
| zhiyan | markwash: ok, i got it. just put them here, since i think they are important for client v1 | 20:22 |
| markwash | zhiyan: thanks | 20:22 |
| * markwash resists reviewing right now during the meeting | 20:24 | |
| markwash | regarding a general schedule | 20:24 |
| zhiyan | markwash: ok that's all to me, next topi pls | 20:24 |
| zhiyan | topic | 20:24 |
| markwash | the question for me is do we need another 0.x release? | 20:25 |
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| markwash | it looks like some of these fixes could be great for that | 20:25 |
| markwash | zhiyan: thoughts on that? ^^ | 20:25 |
| zhiyan | sorry i have no idea, but 0.12 is fine to me | 20:25 |
| markwash | k | 20:25 |
| markwash | that's about it for me this week | 20:26 |
| markwash | #topic open discussion | 20:26 |
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| zhiyan | can you share bcwaldon's change with me for 1.0 release? | 20:26 |
| markwash | zhiyan: probably not until he posts it | 20:27 |
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| markwash | zhiyan: but the idea is to switch to using requests | 20:27 |
| markwash | and I think we can have another change to drop legacy support | 20:27 |
| markwash | sorry for such a sparse agenda today, folks. I'm hoping the etherpad will open up the meeting to more and better discussion of importance and spur everyone's creativity in identifying important issues | 20:28 |
| zhiyan | for open discussion, i have one markwash, but not sure it's ok for this topic | 20:29 |
| markwash | got for it | 20:30 |
| markwash | s/got/go/ | 20:30 |
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| zhiyan | thanks. | 20:30 |
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| rosmaita | i have a dumb question for after zhiyan is done | 20:31 |
| zhiyan | i'm not sure can i get you support on my one change, it's for make glance integrate nova with more efficient | 20:31 |
| zhiyan | it's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33409/ | 20:31 |
| zhiyan | it's a old change to me, but it's important. the change make a framework to allow nova developer make some imagehandler plug-ins, to using more efficient approach to prepare base image. | 20:32 |
| markwash | zhiyan: for sure, I will support that | 20:32 |
| zhiyan | markwash: big thanks. | 20:33 |
| markwash | I suppose it just needs review support? | 20:33 |
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| zhiyan | markwash: actually, yes, but want to make two part: 1. pls more folks review it to allow it landing. | 20:33 |
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| markwash | zhiyan: did you have another part you wanted to mention? | 20:36 |
| zhiyan | 2. involve one imagehandler implement, i think RBD related one is a good candidate (sorry i can provide the link now, bad network) | 20:36 |
| markwash | okay | 20:37 |
| markwash | thanks for the heads up | 20:37 |
| zhiyan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46879/ | 20:37 |
| markwash | I think its important for us to review that and bump it up the importance stack for nova core to consider | 20:37 |
| zhiyan | got it | 20:37 |
| markwash | so that multiple locations is actually used | 20:38 |
| zhiyan | markwash: thanks again | 20:38 |
| markwash | rosmaita: your question? | 20:38 |
| rosmaita | was there a BP for the changes to support openstack-images-v2.1-json-patch | 20:39 |
| rosmaita | or did it just happen? | 20:39 |
| markwash | hmm | 20:39 |
| rosmaita | (trying to save myself work in documenting) | 20:39 |
| markwash | I think it might have just happened | 20:40 |
| rosmaita | also, is the only way to set multiple locations via PATCH ? | 20:40 |
| rosmaita | just happening is cool | 20:40 |
| markwash | rosmaita: there was this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1102476 | 20:41 |
| zhiyan | rosmaita: i think for now we can only set multiple locations via PATCH | 20:41 |
| markwash | zhiyan: +1 | 20:41 |
| rosmaita | what i thought, just checking, thanks | 20:42 |
| markwash | okay, if that's all we got, let's leave it here. . and feel free to add items to the agenda for next week | 20:42 |
| rosmaita | markwash: thanks for bug ref, exactly what i needed | 20:42 |
| rosmaita | bye! | 20:42 |
| zhiyan | thanks | 20:42 |
| markwash | cheers | 20:43 |
| markwash | #endmeeting | 20:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 3 20:43:06 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-10-03-20.05.html | 20:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-10-03-20.05.txt | 20:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-10-03-20.05.log.html | 20:43 |
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