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| mugsie | #startmeeting designate | 17:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 6 17:27:57 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:27 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: designate)" | 17:28 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:28 |
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| mugsie | #topic artom's packaging fork | 17:28 |
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| mugsie | whos here? | 17:28 |
| mugsie | I am going to ut this very short, as everyone with action items is gone | 17:29 |
| artom | Wait, didn't I have something from last time? | 17:29 |
| artom | Did those actually. | 17:29 |
| artom | So packaging fork is just https://github.com/enovance/debian-designate | 17:30 |
| betsy | here | 17:30 |
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| mugsie | #link https://github.com/enovance/debian-designate | 17:30 |
| artom | Allows me to build packages from the master branch, thus including API v2 and domain import/export | 17:30 |
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| artom | We need for our prototype here, so I put it on github. | 17:31 |
| mugsie | cool | 17:32 |
| eankutse1 | here | 17:32 |
| mugsie | so how do yourun it? | 17:32 |
| artom | I need to figure out where to put a short howto for using it - I can't put that in a README as it messes up the packaging. | 17:32 |
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| mugsie | does git-notes work? | 17:32 |
| artom | git-nodes? | 17:32 |
| artom | Maybe the github wiki? | 17:32 |
| betsy | artom: Or I see a github wiki | 17:32 |
| mugsie | yeah, github wiki could be handy | 17:33 |
| betsy | Yeah. I bet that'd work | 17:33 |
| artom | I guess that can be my action item for this week then, add a quick explanation to https://github.com/enovance/debian-designate's wiki | 17:34 |
| mugsie | #action add a quick explanation to https://github.com/enovance/debian-designate's wiki (artom) | 17:34 |
| artom | Unless people have questions, that's all for that. | 17:35 |
| mugsie | nothing from me - apart from thanks! | 17:35 |
| betsy | Yeah. Nice job | 17:36 |
| artom | Bah, Kiall did all the work, I forked and adjusted. | 17:36 |
| artom | But thanks :) | 17:36 |
| mugsie | #topic Open Discussion | 17:37 |
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| betsy | I heard Kiall's talk was well attended. | 17:37 |
| betsy | Have you heard from him? | 17:37 |
| mugsie | no, I missed him with the time overlap | 17:38 |
| mugsie | but he said it went OK apparently | 17:38 |
| betsy | Some of our guys that were there said there was a lot of interest in Designate | 17:38 |
| mugsie | yeah, it has been mentioned in 2 -3 other talks | 17:38 |
| betsy | Hopefully that bodes will for incubation | 17:38 |
| mugsie | fingers crossed | 17:39 |
| eankutse1 | Mugsie: Server Pools - How are we preventing the creation of differently named Sever Pools that have servers that overlap with servers of other pools or have exactly the same servers in their pools? Or Is that a non-issue? | 17:39 |
| mugsie | ah, yes. I went to reply to you but you had gone offline | 17:39 |
| eankutse1 | sorry :-) | 17:40 |
| mugsie | The idea is that servers are part of one pool only | 17:40 |
| eankutse1 | k | 17:40 |
| mugsie | so that overlap should not be an issue | 17:40 |
| eankutse1 | You mean even if the overlap happens, it would not cause a problem? | 17:41 |
| mugsie | no, there shouldnt be an over lap as servers can only be in one pool | 17:41 |
| eankutse1 | Ah, so we do check for and enforce that today? | 17:41 |
| eankutse1 | Or \ | 17:42 |
| mugsie | not at the moment | 17:42 |
| eankutse1 | is this part of phase2/3 | 17:42 |
| eankutse1 | ? | 17:42 |
| mugsie | this would be 2/3 alright | 17:42 |
| eankutse1 | cool | 17:42 |
| mugsie | We need to get phase one to have redundecy first | 17:42 |
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| mugsie | any other topics? | 17:43 |
| eankutse1 | More questions | 17:43 |
| eankutse1 | on Server pools | 17:43 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:43 |
| artom | I would note previous question/answer in the wiki. | 17:43 |
| mugsie | artom: good idea | 17:44 |
| eankutse1 | What do you think about the ff assumptions on Server Pools/Pool Managers - it's ok if you'd like me to put these in the wiki: | 17:44 |
| mugsie | #action update wiki with questions / answers from IRC meeting (mugsie) | 17:44 |
| eankutse1 | 1.The Server Pool that is managed by a given Pool Manager is first created (by an admin) before the Pool Manager is started up | 17:44 |
| eankutse1 | 2.The Pool Manager is up and running in the backend when the Update/Delete Server operation is requested | 17:44 |
| eankutse1 | 3.Create/Update/Delete of a Server Pool (and the servers that belong to the pool) are "Management"-type operations that are performed on infrequent (and possibly one-time) basis. The Creation might be done ahead of time before the API is open for use. Update and Deletion of Server Pools might happen preferably during a scheduled downtime. | 17:44 |
| eankutse1 | :-) that's a lot | 17:45 |
| eankutse1 | I know | 17:45 |
| mugsie | they seem sound assumptions | 17:45 |
| mugsie | 3: will start out as managment style operations | 17:46 |
| eankutse1 | k | 17:46 |
| mugsie | but could change (for private DNS in a VPC for example) | 17:46 |
| mugsie | where we may use Heat to boot a pool, and do a pool create | 17:46 |
| eankutse1 | Ahh :-) | 17:47 |
| mugsie | i know it is something we are interested in, and i can see others wanting this ability | 17:47 |
| eankutse1 | yes | 17:48 |
| eankutse1 | Do you have time for more, Mugsie? | 17:48 |
| mugsie | yeah, shoot | 17:48 |
| eankutse1 | k | 17:48 |
| eankutse1 | What do you think the action of the Pool Manager will be when 1) a Server Pool is Created, 2) Server Pool is Updated 3) Server Pool is Deleted? | 17:49 |
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| mugsie | 1: start listenign on APMQ for messages | 17:51 |
| mugsie | 2: perform required update (changing SOA records etc) | 17:51 |
| mugsie | 3: humm... not sure.... | 17:51 |
| mugsie | Stop listening to the APMQ stream anyway | 17:51 |
| eankutse1 | Sounds good! | 17:52 |
| betsy | mugsie: And on 1: Update the SOA records, also. Right? | 17:52 |
| eankutse1 | But on #2 | 17:52 |
| artom | Given the 1 manager per pool paradigm we seem to choosing, I would say just... disappear. | 17:52 |
| artom | Not sure what happens to the records though. | 17:52 |
| betsy | artom: Good point. On a delete, the Pool Manager would also be deleted | 17:52 |
| mugsie | yeah, that makes sense | 17:53 |
| mugsie | records, not sure - we might need to force it so a pool has no zones before deletion | 17:53 |
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| artom | That seems wise :) | 17:53 |
| eankutse1 | Good answers - jives with my thinking | 17:54 |
| eankutse1 | so far | 17:55 |
| eankutse1 | for Phase2/3 | 17:55 |
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| artom | Couple of questions from me if we have time? | 17:56 |
| mugsie | yeah | 17:56 |
| artom | Scheduler is phase 2 or 3? | 17:57 |
| mugsie | 2 | 17:57 |
| artom | The sequence diagram in phase 2 mentions "send operation to correct pool manager" | 17:57 |
| eankutse1 | 3, I think | 17:57 |
| mugsie | sorry, yeap 3 | 17:57 |
| mugsie | that will be a shell to send it to the only pool in phase 2 | 17:57 |
| mugsie | shell function* | 17:58 |
| artom | Ah, gotcha. | 17:58 |
| mugsie | it will support multiple pools, but it will require mesing in the DB | 17:58 |
| mugsie | (to set them up and adding zones to it) | 17:58 |
| artom | So scheduler stub in phase 2, full scheduler in phase 3 is a concise way of putting it? | 17:58 |
| mugsie | well, there will be no schedualer at all in phase 2 | 17:59 |
| mugsie | the each zone will get an extra colum, with pool-id | 17:59 |
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| mugsie | that is what the schedualr will populate | 18:00 |
| mugsie | after that central will deal with sending the messages to the right queue | 18:00 |
| artom | Ah, right, missed the "lookup pool_id for domain" part. | 18:00 |
| betsy | Will the scheduler also "own" the Pool Managers? | 18:00 |
| mugsie | (based on the value in that column) | 18:00 |
| mugsie | no | 18:00 |
| mugsie | betsy: no, | 18:00 |
| betsy | So owned by Central? | 18:01 |
| mugsie | yeah | 18:01 |
| mugsie | similar to have the nova-schedualer works | 18:01 |
| mugsie | each compute node is owned by nova, but instances are assigned by nova-schedualer | 18:01 |
| mugsie | it knows about each pool, and decides where to put each zone created | 18:02 |
| betsy | But the Nova scheduler doesn't track them as being in a specific pool, does it? | 18:02 |
| mugsie | no, it tracks them as being on a partcualr compute node | 18:02 |
| artom | So on zone creation the scheduler writes the pool-id in the DB, and then never touches it again (ignoring moves between pools, if that's even possible/planned). | 18:03 |
| mugsie | for that example a compute node is simalir to a pool | 18:03 |
| mugsie | artom: yup | 18:03 |
| mugsie | and we will need to do migrations.., just havent though how that will work yet | 18:03 |
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| mugsie | I need time to get some actual dev done :) | 18:03 |
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| betsy | And the pool scheduler has no part in the creation of new servers | 18:04 |
| mugsie | nope, just of zones | 18:04 |
| mugsie | we know what pool we want to a server to | 18:04 |
| betsy | True | 18:04 |
| betsy | So, is there any part of that you want help on? | 18:06 |
| betsy | Writing the code, that is | 18:06 |
| betsy | I'm not sure what parts you already have in flight | 18:06 |
| mugsie | not quite yet. I think I have it under control. I want to get phase one done, and then we can reassess it i think | 18:07 |
| betsy | sounds good | 18:07 |
| mugsie | i have loads in flight - but not much of it is in a state to push yet ;) | 18:07 |
| mugsie | we should be less crazy over then next few weeks, so hopefully we should see some progress | 18:07 |
| eankutse1 | so you think ;-) | 18:08 |
| eankutse1 | less crazy :-) | 18:08 |
| mugsie | yeah... that is true | 18:08 |
| eankutse1 | what is that? | 18:08 |
| eankutse1 | Mugsie: not sure if I already asked for this but at some point it would be helpful to have more details on the table that is going to be introduced to support Async Response. | 18:08 |
| mugsie | you did ask for it, and I promptly forgot. | 18:09 |
| mugsie | sorry | 18:09 |
| mugsie | Will look at it this week | 18:09 |
| eankutse1 | k. Thx | 18:09 |
| mugsie | I wont be here next week, (i am at a conference), so if anyone has any questions, lash them here / wiki / email me over the next week, and I will get them when i can | 18:09 |
| artom | Last one from me. | 18:10 |
| mugsie | cool | 18:10 |
| artom | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/multi-backend is needed for server pools with more than 1 server, no? | 18:10 |
| mugsie | well, with more than one server type | 18:10 |
| mugsie | if it is PowerDNS it can be ok with multiple servers of the one DB | 18:11 |
| artom | Ah, right, they all MySQL-replicate from the main one. | 18:11 |
| mugsie | bind9 can have 1 server as the master, and then unlimted slaves, wiht no issues | 18:11 |
| mugsie | (or needing the multi-backend) | 18:12 |
| artom | But then it's not really a pool from Designate's point of view - all Designate knows about is the master server in the pool. | 18:12 |
| tsimmons | A pool can have just one server in it though. | 18:12 |
| mugsie | yup, but the backend could be resonsible for checking all the slave nodes have the correct reord before telling central that the operation is complete | 18:13 |
| artom | Well, yes, but the way mugsie is explaining it, until multi-backend gets implemented, *all* pools will have 1 server in them. | 18:13 |
| artom | mugsie, ah, gotcha. | 18:13 |
| artom | (the slave nodes part) | 18:13 |
| tsimmons | Unless theres two PowerDNS servers that aren't master slave? | 18:13 |
| mugsie | artom: designate will know about the slaves, and insert the correct information into the SOA etc | 18:16 |
| artom | So the backends will need quite a bit of work before pools is fully ready... | 18:16 |
| mugsie | yup | 18:17 |
| mugsie | the plan is to try and abstract as much custom backend code to them as possible | 18:17 |
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| artom | Gotcha. | 18:17 |
| mugsie | so that we have a clean implementation of a data flow from API -> pool | 18:17 |
| mugsie | cool. | 18:18 |
| mugsie | anything else? | 18:18 |
| artom | Nyet from I, comrade. | 18:18 |
| mugsie | cool | 18:18 |
| eankutse1 | I am done | 18:18 |
| vinod1 | I have one question | 18:18 |
| mugsie | cool | 18:18 |
| vinod1 | I need to test this - but wanted to check if when we create a zone under a SLD like co.uk and another tenant now wants to create another zone under co.uk | 18:20 |
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| vinod1 | will there be any issue | 18:20 |
| mugsie | em... | 18:20 |
| mugsie | i am not sure | 18:20 |
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| mugsie | I woulld need to test it myself | 18:20 |
| mugsie | I would thnk that .co.uk should be ok | 18:20 |
| vinod1 | Will the parent domain/sub domain checks flag this incorrectly? | 18:21 |
| mugsie | (its generally accepted as a tld) | 18:21 |
| mugsie | maybe... i think we would have caught that though | 18:21 |
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| artom | Try it an see ;) | 18:23 |
| mugsie | yeah. Failing that kiall is your best bet | 18:23 |
| vinod1 | Thanks I wanted to be sure that we correctly handle SLDs and TLDs that work as TLDs | 18:23 |
| mugsie | but we do have this in production, and I am sure we would have been shouted at about this if it wasnt the case | 18:24 |
| mugsie | any other questions? | 18:24 |
| artom | You can't outsource testing to angry users ;) | 18:24 |
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| mugsie | nope, that never ends well... | 18:25 |
| vinod1 | nothing from me | 18:25 |
| mugsie | cool | 18:25 |
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| mugsie | #endmeeting | 18:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:25 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 6 18:25:44 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2013/designate.2013-11-06-17.27.html | 18:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2013/designate.2013-11-06-17.27.txt | 18:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2013/designate.2013-11-06-17.27.log.html | 18:25 |
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