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baoli | Hi Everyone | 14:01 |
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yjiang5 | hi | 14:01 |
sadasu | #startmeeting PCI passthrough | 14:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 10 14:01:26 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sadasu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: PCI passthrough)" | 14:01 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 14:01 |
irenab | hi | 14:01 |
baoli | At this point, I'm not sure what our agenda is going to be for today. But I Just saw the email from Yongli about the PCI flavor design. Can anyone tell who are involved in it? | 14:02 |
yjiang5 | Is yongli around? | 14:02 |
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irenab | baoli: I tried to catch up on PCI flavor design today, but quite confused with what is going on there | 14:03 |
yjiang5 | baoli: I get some information from yongli, a core developer in nova think the alias/whitelist is not the right solution, and should use the host aggregate for it. | 14:04 |
yjiang5 | baoli: I'm busy on another task these two weeks, so didn't get into details. | 14:04 |
sadasu | yjiang5: could you pls explain further? | 14:04 |
yjiang5 | irenab: what's the confusion? | 14:04 |
irenab | yjiang5: how it solves the PCI for networking | 14:05 |
baoli | For the 10 minutes worth of reading, it seems to me that pci-flavor, in concept, is similar to pci-group. But configuration of compute nodes for PCI is done with the a nova PCI | 14:05 |
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yjiang5 | irenab: I don't think it's for PCI networking specific, but generic PCI changes. | 14:06 |
baoli | nova pci-flavor-create name 'GetMePowerfulldevice' description "xxxxx" | 14:06 |
yjiang5 | sadasu: I have no time to check the details yet. | 14:07 |
baoli | nova pci-flavor-update UUID set 'description'='xxxx' 'address'= '0000:01:*.7', 'host'='compute-id' | 14:07 |
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baoli | So the API seems to be combining the whitelist + lci-group | 14:08 |
sadasu | does PCI flavor take care of letting nova know of the "feature" associated with the PCI device? | 14:08 |
baoli | @sadasu, don't think so | 14:08 |
irenab | PCI flavor still should be part of the VM flavor, right? | 14:08 |
baoli | I think so. | 14:09 |
baoli | We should brought John's attention to our effort, and we should combine the ideas and converge | 14:09 |
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irenab | baoli: agree | 14:09 |
yjiang5 | irenab: I think PCI flavor will be like alias, to be used in VM flavor | 14:09 |
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irenab | yjiang5: thas what I understood too. I do not like it, since its not flexible for nic addition for running VM | 14:11 |
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baoli | @yjang5, seems like that you guys are aware of John and Yongli's effort on pci-flavor. Just wonder why we are in the dark. | 14:11 |
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sadasu | there seems to be a huge overlap of our effort with them | 14:12 |
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yjiang5 | baoli: I think the reason is because John is the core deverloper review the BP that discussed in this meeting, and object it. | 14:12 |
irenab | baoli: I just saw Yongli comments on the mail today referensing wiki | 14:12 |
baoli | @irenab, same here | 14:13 |
irenab | baoli: I think we need to commmunicate on the the devs mailing list and have one place discussion | 14:13 |
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yjiang5 | irenab: agree. | 14:14 |
baoli | I completely agree. | 14:14 |
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yjiang5 | irenab: I think this change should not impact network effort from API point of view. | 14:15 |
irenab | yjiang5: agree, from neutron API point of view | 14:15 |
baoli | @yjang5, I think that when designing the nova part of the PCI passthrough, folks working on networking/storage, a.k.a, feature, should get involved | 14:16 |
yjiang5 | baoli: thanks for remind and agree. We will send mail to mailing list for this talk. Sorry for it. | 14:17 |
baoli | Especially we have something in disucssion ourself for so long | 14:18 |
irenab | baoli: Do we want to discuss what to send out to the mailing list? | 14:19 |
baoli | @irenab, absolutely. But I need some time to completely absort the material. Maybe we can exchange email first after reading it? We can also use time here to discuss it | 14:20 |
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irenab | baoli:agree | 14:20 |
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irenab | I would like to understand the request binding pieces to see what information can be assumed to be available to the neutron on port creation | 14:22 |
baoli | Yes. | 14:23 |
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irenab | Then I think it can be possible to define the neutron part assuming noa and scheduling details will be finalized | 14:23 |
yjiang5 | baoli: irenab:agree. | 14:24 |
baoli | How do you guys think about adding devices per compute node by means of a nova API? | 14:25 |
baoli | nova pci-flavor-update | 14:25 |
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baoli | Also, we need to find out if the compute node still needs to configure the whitelist | 14:25 |
irenab | baoli: I think at can be in addition to auto-discovery | 14:25 |
baoli | @irenab, that would sound ok | 14:26 |
baoli | the config file for alias and whitelist defination is going to deprecated. if database is not NULL , configration is ommit and given deprecated warning. if database is NULL, config if read from the file, | 14:27 |
baoli | from the wiki | 14:28 |
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baoli | with this solution, we move pci config from file to API. | 14:28 |
baoli | also from the wiki | 14:28 |
irenab | baoli: do you agree with deprecating config option (white-list)? | 14:29 |
baoli | we had a discussion on this during the summit. But later I thought that using a centralized API to manage ocmpute nodes resources doesn't sound right to me. But it could be an additon if dynamic change is needed | 14:30 |
yjiang5 | baoli: I remember yongli told me that the API is requested in the summit discussion? | 14:31 |
baoli | @yjang5, yes, I had a conversation with Yongli on that as well. | 14:31 |
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irenab | another concern I have is regarding PCI request as part of the VM flavor | 14:33 |
baoli | With the API, does nova api needs to notify nova-compute for the resouces that it owns, where the actual allocation occurs? | 14:34 |
yjiang5 | irenab: I think PCI flavor can also be used for neutron? For example, neutron can create flavor first, and then use it onport creation? at least we can extend it to work this way. | 14:34 |
irenab | I think it will make VM provisioning flow very complicated | 14:36 |
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irenab | yjiang5: for every combination of VM with networks, admin will have to define different flavors | 14:36 |
yjiang5 | irenab: you mean we need one extra effort? Currently we can specify the alias directly , right? | 14:37 |
irenab | yjiang5: ideally, I think it should be possible to create VM with several vNIC each one either using PCI device or OVS for example | 14:38 |
baoli | @irenab, also we | 14:38 |
baoli | we'd like to use network xml to support live migration. | 14:38 |
baoli | where the allocation of devices happen in libvirt | 14:39 |
baoli | we have to keep that in mind | 14:39 |
irenab | baoli: agree, once nova supports it | 14:39 |
yjiang5 | irenab: baoli what do you mean of allocation of devices happen in libvirt? | 14:40 |
baoli | @irenab, I may be wrong. But that plays into on what basis, a network xml should be defined. We used to think mapping PCI group to a network xml | 14:41 |
baoli | @yjing5, with network xml, libvirt allocates a PCI device out of those included in the 'network' | 14:42 |
irenab | what I meant to say that putting PCI devices request in flavor is very unflexible. Admin may want to specify on VM creation what vif-type he requires per Network. | 14:42 |
baoli | @irenab, I agree with you on that | 14:43 |
yjiang5 | irenab: so you mean if use pci flavor, we have to create flavor for each such VM creation request and is not convenient, am I right? | 14:45 |
yjiang5 | irenab: instead, we should simply passing all parameter in the creation request directly, right? | 14:45 |
irenab | yjiang5: I mean VM flavor | 14:46 |
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sadasu | yjiang5: the new wiki gets rid of pci alias which is good because we have been asking for it for a while | 14:47 |
sadasu | but it is making an assumption that all SRIOV devices are equivalent | 14:47 |
sadasu | like in a neutron port | 14:47 |
sadasu | but that is not the case | 14:47 |
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sadasu | SRIOV ports will have to be put into diff flavors based on the physical network that they are connected to and other config that we want to apply on them | 14:48 |
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sadasu | so the number of flavor creation requests could be significant | 14:49 |
baoli | @yjang5, can you tell us John's full name and his email? | 14:49 |
yjiang5 | baoli: I think he comments on the BP and then yongli discussed with him on the IRC. | 14:49 |
yjiang5 | baoli: let me check | 14:50 |
sadasu | also, configuring the flavor via neutron using Nova API requires Neutron to know so much more about the network config that we had not initially planned on | 14:50 |
sadasu | so this might affect our design significantly | 14:51 |
yjiang5 | baoli: I think John Garbutt <john@johngarbutt.com> and possibly we should initiate the discussion on the mailing list. | 14:51 |
baoli | @yjang5, thanks for the info. | 14:51 |
sadasu | I just resurrected the old thread...could you please reply to that? | 14:52 |
irenab | sadasu: I think its not even possible to create flavor from neutron | 14:52 |
baoli | Let's exchange comments/concerns with email, then we'll summarize it and send it to the openstack alias, in the same time bringing John's attention to our effort. The goal is to converge | 14:52 |
irenab | baoli: agree | 14:53 |
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irenab | lets try to push it soon, since Yongli probably starts to code to make something into icehouse-2 | 14:54 |
baoli | Agreed. So let's continue through emails | 14:54 |
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irenab | baoli: fine | 14:55 |
yjiang5 | baoli: ok | 14:55 |
baoli | Thanks everyone. | 14:56 |
irenab | thanks | 14:56 |
yjiang5 | thanks. | 14:56 |
sadasu | thanks | 14:56 |
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sadasu | #endmeeting | 14:56 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 10 14:56:38 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:56 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2013/pci_passthrough.2013-12-10-14.01.html | 14:56 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2013/pci_passthrough.2013-12-10-14.01.txt | 14:56 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2013/pci_passthrough.2013-12-10-14.01.log.html | 14:56 |
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flaper87 | o/ | 15:04 |
flaper87 | o/ | 15:04 |
alcabrera | :) | 15:04 |
flaper87 | Who's around? | 15:04 |
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alcabrera | It's that time again. | 15:04 |
megan_w | o/ | 15:04 |
flaper87 | Kurt is still afk, we can start and I'll hand the control over as soon as he gets here | 15:04 |
alcabrera | sounds good to me. | 15:04 |
flaper87 | unless you guys know where he is | 15:04 |
flaper87 | :D | 15:04 |
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alcabrera | I have no idea. :P | 15:05 |
flwang | o/ | 15:05 |
flaper87 | #startmeeting Marconi | 15:05 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 10 15:05:09 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:05 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:05 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'marconi' | 15:05 |
alcabrera | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Marconi#Agenda | 15:05 |
flaper87 | first of all, I want to make this part of the meeting logs | 15:05 |
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flaper87 | cpallares: Welcome to the team! | 15:05 |
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megan_w | welcome!! | 15:05 |
alcabrera | cpallares: yes! welcome! :D | 15:05 |
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flaper87 | #topic Bug triage | 15:06 |
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alcabrera | we'll come back to the action-review later? | 15:06 |
flaper87 | actually, lets start with actions | 15:06 |
flaper87 | #topic Review homeworks | 15:06 |
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cpallares | thanks alcabrera, flaper87! | 15:06 |
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kgriffs | o/ | 15:07 |
alcabrera | kgriffs: o/ | 15:07 |
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alcabrera | We just started reviewing actions. | 15:07 |
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kgriffs | alcabrera: kk | 15:07 |
* flaper87 didn't get in touch with Everett | 15:07 | |
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flaper87 | #action flaper87 to get in touch with Everett Toews and share ideas about client design | 15:07 |
flaper87 | flaper87 to spec out heat integration blueprint | 15:08 |
flaper87 | I didn't do the work myself but flwang point me to someone that will take care of it | 15:08 |
alcabrera | sweet | 15:08 |
flaper87 | Which is definitely good | 15:08 |
flaper87 | there's some work going on there already | 15:08 |
flaper87 | the only bit missing to officially make that patch land is a release of marocni client | 15:08 |
flaper87 | we'll get there before i-2 | 15:09 |
kgriffs | kk | 15:09 |
flaper87 | kgriffs to play with swob | 15:09 |
kgriffs | what kinds of templates? | 15:09 |
alcabrera | how close would you say we are with marconiclient? | 15:09 |
kgriffs | (what will it/they do?) | 15:09 |
flaper87 | alcabrera: so, I'm working on the Message object now | 15:10 |
flaper87 | which is almost ready but required me to change some things in tests and the code that already landed | 15:10 |
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flaper87 | (patches in gerrit already) | 15:10 |
alcabrera | alright. :) | 15:10 |
alcabrera | I'll have plenty to review later. | 15:10 |
flaper87 | after that, the only piece missing is claims | 15:10 |
flaper87 | which flwang wanted to tackle | 15:10 |
flaper87 | flwang: are you still up for that? | 15:11 |
flaper87 | btw | 15:11 |
flaper87 | #chair kgriffs | 15:11 |
openstack | Current chairs: flaper87 kgriffs | 15:11 |
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flaper87 | kgriffs: if you want to take over, feel free. | 15:12 |
kgriffs | flaper87: thanks for getting things started | 15:12 |
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flaper87 | kgriffs: my pleasure :) | 15:12 |
kgriffs | kgriffs to play with swob | 15:12 |
kgriffs | so, i didn't get to that yet | 15:12 |
kgriffs | but am still planning on doing it soon | 15:12 |
kgriffs | #action kgriffs to play with swob | 15:12 |
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kgriffs | > everyone to get remaining sharding patches merged | 15:13 |
kgriffs | kudos to everyone! | 15:13 |
kgriffs | poptarts on the house! | 15:13 |
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alcabrera | #info everyone got the remaining shard patches merged | 15:13 |
flaper87 | w000t | 15:13 |
alcabrera | :) | 15:13 |
* flaper87 wonders who this everyone d00d is | 15:13 | |
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alcabrera | very productive, this "everyone" | 15:13 |
kgriffs | > kgriffs to confirm whether or not query params are ok in json-home URI templates | 15:13 |
kgriffs | crap | 15:13 |
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kgriffs | I forgot about that one | 15:13 |
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flaper87 | lol | 15:14 |
flaper87 | looool @ crap | 15:14 |
kgriffs | #action kgriffs to confirm whether or not query params are ok in json-home URI templates | 15:14 |
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* flaper87 ran out of gummy bear | 15:14 | |
flaper87 | :( | 15:14 |
kgriffs | kgriffs to re-target bps and bugs to Icehouse milestones | 15:14 |
flaper87 | #info flaper87 ran out of gummy bear | 15:14 |
kgriffs | lol | 15:15 |
alcabrera | heh | 15:15 |
kgriffs | #info kgriffs retargeted bps and bugs to icehouse | 15:15 |
alcabrera | re: the retargeting | 15:15 |
oz_akan_ | hi | 15:15 |
flaper87 | you should all be worried about that, my productivity is in danger | 15:15 |
alcabrera | it's pretty much what we're doing in this meeting, isn't it? | 15:15 |
kgriffs | #info kgriffs updated milestones with due dates | 15:15 |
alcabrera | oz_akan_: hey! | 15:15 |
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kgriffs | oz_akan_: O/ | 15:15 |
alcabrera | mpanetta: o/ | 15:15 |
flaper87 | oz_akan_: o/ | 15:15 |
mpanetta | hi :) | 15:15 |
flaper87 | megan_w: o/ | 15:15 |
flaper87 | mpanetta: o/ | 15:15 |
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kgriffs | alcabrera: somewhat, but i did an initial pass to get everything off havana | 15:16 |
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alcabrera | gotcha | 15:16 |
kgriffs | > everyone to participate in notifications breakout | 15:16 |
megan_w | agreed | 15:16 |
kgriffs | we had a great brainstorming meeting | 15:16 |
alcabrera | #info many participated in notifications breakout | 15:16 |
alcabrera | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi_notifications_brainstorm/2013/marconi_notifications_brainstorm.2013-12-03-15.05.html | 15:16 |
flaper87 | and there's this 'everyone' d00d again | 15:16 |
alcabrera | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/marconi-notifications-brainstorm | 15:16 |
flaper87 | that was a real good meeting | 15:17 |
kgriffs | #action kgriffs to create bp for notifications based on brainstorming session | 15:17 |
alcabrera | one more action that wasn't listed - | 15:17 |
alcabrera | > alcabrera to look into documentation process | 15:17 |
kgriffs | #action alcabrera to look into documentation process | 15:17 |
kgriffs | ^^^ what he said | 15:18 |
alcabrera | I started looking through the openstack documentation pages yesterday. I also started reaching out to annegentle | 15:18 |
alcabrera | I'm awaiting a response while I read through things. | 15:18 |
kgriffs | ok, cool. You can give us an update next week | 15:18 |
alcabrera | yup! | 15:18 |
alcabrera | that's all the actions from last time. | 15:18 |
kgriffs | alcabrera: and it better include these words: "I got it all figured out, wrote 100 pages of online documentation and even published a book!" | 15:19 |
flaper87 | LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL | 15:19 |
flaper87 | especially the 500 pages part | 15:19 |
alcabrera | kgriffs: ooohh, very tempting. I *have* been meaning to publish by the end of this year. Something. :D | 15:19 |
* kgriffs is channeling Anne | 15:19 | |
mpanetta | I'm not sure if y'all want to know, but I have moved my "marconi-simple" docker container to a trusted build. It is building as we speak. | 15:19 |
alcabrera | hahaha | 15:19 |
kgriffs | mpanetta: gtk! | 15:19 |
flaper87 | mpanetta: awesome! | 15:19 |
alcabrera | #info mpanetta has a marconi-simple docker container available | 15:20 |
alcabrera | Link? | 15:20 |
flaper87 | mpanetta: I'd like to play with that | 15:20 |
flaper87 | mpanetta: do you have a template for it or something? | 15:20 |
kgriffs | mpanetta: how can we get our hands on said dockerfile? | 15:20 |
mpanetta | yes | 15:20 |
* flaper87 is not a docker expert | 15:20 | |
mpanetta | sec | 15:20 |
mpanetta | https://github.com/bentwire/marconi-simple.git | 15:20 |
alcabrera | #link https://github.com/bentwire/marconi-simple.git | 15:20 |
mpanetta | And as soon as the build is done I should have a docker repo link as well | 15:21 |
mpanetta | The automated build system must have quite the backlog... | 15:21 |
flaper87 | mpanetta: +1 | 15:21 |
alcabrera | cool, cool | 15:21 |
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kgriffs | kudos to mpanetta | 15:22 |
flaper87 | triage, triage, triage, triage | 15:22 |
kgriffs | #info marconi is officially cool now that it has a docker file | 15:22 |
kgriffs | mooooving on | 15:22 |
flaper87 | LOL | 15:22 |
flaper87 | LOLOLOLOLO | 15:22 |
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kgriffs | #topic Review Graduation BPs/Bugs | 15:23 |
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kgriffs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/Incubation/Graduation | 15:23 |
kgriffs | ah crap. I need to do the 1.1 spec thing | 15:23 |
kgriffs | #action kgriffs to write v1.1 api spec | 15:23 |
alcabrera | we have almost exactly two months worth of time to wrap up all pending items | 15:24 |
kgriffs | yes, not much time | 15:24 |
flaper87 | indeed! | 15:24 |
flaper87 | the most critical one that is still pending is the sqlalchemy thing | 15:24 |
alcabrera | definitely | 15:24 |
flaper87 | ykaplan already submitted the first patch | 15:24 |
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flaper87 | and she started to work on the controllers | 15:25 |
alcabrera | I wonder... | 15:25 |
flaper87 | I guess we should help her a bit | 15:25 |
kgriffs | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/sql-storage-driver | 15:25 |
flaper87 | by splitting the work there | 15:25 |
alcabrera | If I wrap up marconi-redis, would that count as having finished that requirement? | 15:25 |
flaper87 | don't think so! | 15:25 |
alcabrera | heh. :P | 15:26 |
flaper87 | :D | 15:26 |
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flaper87 | but you should wrap it up anyway | 15:26 |
alcabrera | anyway, +1 towards helping sqlalchemy happen. :D | 15:26 |
kgriffs | yes, you should. ;) | 15:26 |
alcabrera | will do | 15:26 |
alcabrera | #info sqlalchemy is of critical priority | 15:26 |
kgriffs | alcabrera: will you be able to enforce FIFO + once-and-only-once delivery? | 15:26 |
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flaper87 | oaoo delivery | 15:27 |
kgriffs | (we had talked about relaxing that requirement to be specific to the storage driver) | 15:27 |
alcabrera | kgriffs: yes. | 15:27 |
alcabrera | I think I can even make it a configurable thing. | 15:27 |
kgriffs | interesting | 15:27 |
alcabrera | [...:redis] fifo = True | 15:27 |
kgriffs | can't wait to see the implementation | 15:27 |
flaper87 | I wouldn't add that config option yet | 15:27 |
kgriffs | so, back to sqlalchemy | 15:27 |
flaper87 | lets wait until the API layer is done | 15:27 |
flaper87 | and we can expose what features are enabled | 15:28 |
flaper87 | and what not | 15:28 |
kgriffs | next steps to get SQL support? | 15:28 |
flaper87 | review the tables patch | 15:28 |
flaper87 | start working on the controller | 15:28 |
alcabrera | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60223/ | 15:28 |
flaper87 | controllers* | 15:28 |
flaper87 | queue, message, claims | 15:28 |
alcabrera | needs 3 controllers ^^ | 15:28 |
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kgriffs | ok, if we have one more person volunteer to help | 15:28 |
alcabrera | and two more for sharding | 15:28 |
flaper87 | alcabrera: you could work on the sharding part f it | 15:28 |
flaper87 | :D | 15:28 |
kgriffs | then they can divide up controllers with Yeela | 15:29 |
flaper87 | I volunteered alcabrera | 15:29 |
flaper87 | :D | 15:29 |
alcabrera | I'm tied up 'til January, but after that, I'd love to. :) | 15:29 |
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megan_w | alcabrera: i was hoping you'd say that :) | 15:29 |
flaper87 | sounds good! | 15:29 |
kgriffs | sharding should "just work" shouldn't it? | 15:29 |
flaper87 | megan_w: LOL | 15:29 |
alcabrera | #info alcabrera volunteers to work on sqlalchemy/sharding controllers for January | 15:29 |
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alcabrera | kgriffs: yes, with one caveat | 15:29 |
alcabrera | As it stands now | 15:30 |
alcabrera | People would still have to deploy a mongodb-based catalogue | 15:30 |
alcabrera | so~ | 15:30 |
alcabrera | sqlalchemy/{shards,catalogue}.py need to be implemented to meet the grad req | 15:30 |
flaper87 | but the sharding is optional | 15:30 |
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alcabrera | hmmm | 15:31 |
flaper87 | so, as far as the requirement is concerned, having support for the storage controllers it's enough | 15:31 |
flaper87 | IMHO | 15:31 |
alcabrera | if sharding is optional, then those controllers are optional. I'm worried about the wording of the req "real production" | 15:31 |
flaper87 | alcabrera: don't worry, we can get rid of that | 15:31 |
flaper87 | :D | 15:31 |
alcabrera | kk | 15:31 |
flaper87 | :D | 15:31 |
alcabrera | lol | 15:31 |
flaper87 | :D | 15:31 |
flaper87 | I'm joking | 15:31 |
flaper87 | mmh, that's an interesting point though | 15:32 |
flaper87 | because the "real production" environemnt needs you'd have with mongo are not necesarilly the same you'd have with mysql | 15:32 |
flaper87 | you may actually not need on or the other | 15:32 |
kgriffs | "Real production" doesn't necessarily mean "public cloud" or "massive deployment" | 15:33 |
kgriffs | which is where sharding comes in handy | 15:33 |
flaper87 | exactly | 15:33 |
alcabrera | alright | 15:33 |
kgriffs | we should try to make it happen, but I think it could slip into i-2 if need be | 15:33 |
flaper87 | that's why I think that having support for the storage controllers would indeed cover that graduation requirement | 15:33 |
kgriffs | alcabrera: can you create a blueprint for doing that for sharding? | 15:33 |
alcabrera | "that" == add sqlalchemy sharding controllers? | 15:34 |
alcabrera | kgriffs: ^^ | 15:34 |
kgriffs | alcabrera: yes | 15:34 |
alcabrera | will do! | 15:34 |
kgriffs | thanks! | 15:34 |
alcabrera | #action alcabrera to draft BP for sqlalchemy sharding controllers | 15:34 |
kgriffs | ok, so everyone go review that table patch! | 15:34 |
flaper87 | awesome | 15:34 |
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kgriffs | alcabrera: just assign it to graduation milestone for now. I'll set priority and mark as "accepted" | 15:35 |
kgriffs | alcabrera: ping me when you have it ready. Thanks! | 15:35 |
alcabrera | kk :) | 15:35 |
kgriffs | moving on | 15:35 |
kgriffs | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-marconiclient/+spec/python-marconiclient-v1 | 15:35 |
kgriffs | let me set that milestone to graduation | 15:36 |
flaper87 | I don't think there's one | 15:36 |
kgriffs | heh | 15:36 |
flaper87 | :D | 15:36 |
kgriffs | looks like the client doesn't have teh milestones | 15:36 |
kgriffs | flaper87: would you mine creating an icehouse release and some milestones for the client? | 15:37 |
kgriffs | s/mine/mind | 15:37 |
flaper87 | Yes sir | 15:37 |
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flaper87 | btw, I've an off-topic thing to say about the client milestones. Will do that offline | 15:38 |
kgriffs | kk | 15:38 |
alcabrera | kgriffs: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/sql-sharding-controllers | 15:38 |
alcabrera | also | 15:38 |
alcabrera | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/sql-sharding-controllers | 15:38 |
kgriffs | alcabrera: thanks! updated. | 15:39 |
alcabrera | awesome | 15:39 |
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kgriffs | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/heat-template | 15:40 |
kgriffs | should we change the status to "good progress"? | 15:40 |
kgriffs | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/heat-template | 15:40 |
kgriffs | do we need to reassign? | 15:40 |
flaper87 | kgriffs: slow progress | 15:40 |
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kgriffs | or blocked? | 15:40 |
kgriffs | blocked by client lib? | 15:40 |
flaper87 | Yup, that sounds about right | 15:41 |
alcabrera | +1 for Blocked | 15:41 |
flaper87 | kgriffs: I reassigned it to liang | 15:42 |
kgriffs | kk | 15:42 |
kgriffs | I guess the assignee doesn't have to actually do the work, but is responsible for reporting status | 15:42 |
kgriffs | anyway, not a big deal | 15:42 |
kgriffs | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/devstack-support | 15:42 |
flaper87 | implemented | 15:43 |
kgriffs | extra-fresh box of pop-tarts for flaper87! | 15:43 |
flaper87 | w00000t | 15:43 |
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kgriffs | and two tickets to go see that band he loves | 15:43 |
* flaper87 shares with everybody | 15:43 | |
kgriffs | srsly, thanks for getting that done | 15:43 |
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kgriffs | we are getting official-er all the time! | 15:44 |
flaper87 | btw | 15:44 |
flaper87 | something raised in that review, which I agree with, is that we picked a weird port number | 15:44 |
flaper87 | :) | 15:44 |
flaper87 | it's actually gunicorn's default port | 15:44 |
mpanetta | There are weird port #'s? | 15:44 |
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alcabrera | port 8000 seems like the most normal port in the world to me. ;) | 15:45 |
* alcabrera uses gunicorn all the time | 15:45 | |
flaper87 | so, if we'll ever think about changing it, we better do it before graduation | 15:45 |
kgriffs | oh | 15:45 |
kgriffs | were they expecting, e.g., 80? | 15:45 |
flaper87 | I think 53 | 15:45 |
flaper87 | because we hat DNS | 15:45 |
flaper87 | hate | 15:45 |
kgriffs | lol | 15:46 |
mpanetta | heh | 15:46 |
kgriffs | why not 42? | 15:46 |
* kgriffs likes 42 | 15:46 | |
* cpallares likes 42 too | 15:46 | |
flaper87 | solution to everything | 15:46 |
flaper87 | :D | 15:46 |
alcabrera | the answer to everything, kgriffs? :P | 15:46 |
alcabrera | heh | 15:46 |
cpallares | haha | 15:46 |
flaper87 | erm, answer is the right word | 15:46 |
flaper87 | :D | 15:46 |
flaper87 | anyway, I'm happy with 8888 | 15:46 |
kgriffs | ok, whatever they like | 15:46 |
flaper87 | it's weird but you know, we're all weird after all | 15:46 |
flaper87 | we are not using pecan | 15:47 |
* kgriffs thinks people are wierd | 15:47 | |
flaper87 | we're doing QaaS | 15:47 |
flaper87 | we've the funiest channel ever | 15:47 |
flaper87 | :D | 15:47 |
kgriffs | :D | 15:47 |
flaper87 | We couldn't be weirder than this | 15:47 |
kgriffs | what? | 15:47 |
mpanetta | Oh surely we could. | 15:47 |
* kgriffs looks innocent | 15:47 | |
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flaper87 | LOOL | 15:47 |
alcabrera | haha | 15:47 |
kgriffs | moving on | 15:48 |
kgriffs | ;) | 15:48 |
alcabrera | #info marconi-team has no shortage of weirdness | 15:48 |
* mpanetta looks at /etc/services and sees an unused port at 70 :P | 15:48 | |
alcabrera | yup - triaging things next? :) | 15:48 |
kgriffs | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/tempest-integration | 15:48 |
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mpanetta | Nobody uses gopher anymore right? :P | 15:48 |
kgriffs | tempest | 15:48 |
alcabrera | malini isn't here yet today | 15:48 |
kgriffs | booh | 15:48 |
alcabrera | I heard that she's ramping up on that | 15:48 |
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kgriffs | started? | 15:48 |
alcabrera | I believe so. | 15:49 |
* kgriffs updates status | 15:49 | |
kgriffs | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/pecan-framework | 15:49 |
kgriffs | still on my todo list | 15:49 |
kgriffs | anyone is welcome to help | 15:49 |
* kgriffs is biased, after all ;) | 15:50 | |
alcabrera | :P | 15:50 |
mpanetta | What is wrong with falcon? | 15:50 |
alcabrera | I'll see what I can do come January. | 15:50 |
kgriffs | srsly. Nice guys. Met the maintainer and original author in HK | 15:50 |
* mpanetta is curious | 15:50 | |
kgriffs | but... we have some philosophical differences, I must admit | 15:50 |
alcabrera | mpanetta: pecan is the current OS-blessed wsgi framework, so it's preferred tha projects implement their wsgi layer using pecan. | 15:50 |
* kgriffs is a minimalist | 15:51 | |
alcabrera | *that | 15:51 |
mpanetta | oic | 15:51 |
mpanetta | thanks alcabrera | 15:51 |
alcabrera | np. :) | 15:51 |
kgriffs | for the record, WSME is not as blessed | 15:51 |
kgriffs | mainly because it falls on it's face when it comes to API extensions | 15:51 |
kgriffs | </digression> | 15:52 |
flaper87 | 8 mins left | 15:52 |
alcabrera | next? :) | 15:52 |
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kgriffs | hmmm | 15:53 |
kgriffs | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/pecan-framework | 15:53 |
flaper87 | LOL | 15:53 |
kgriffs | oops sorry | 15:53 |
flaper87 | I thought you were trolling us | 15:53 |
* kgriffs freudian slip | 15:53 | |
flaper87 | :D | 15:53 |
alcabrera | lol | 15:53 |
kgriffs | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/marconi-horizon-integration | 15:53 |
flaper87 | mmh | 15:53 |
alcabrera | who is working on that? who would work on that? | 15:53 |
flaper87 | that's compeltely stalled | 15:53 |
kgriffs | yeah | 15:54 |
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flaper87 | It'd be nice to have someone from the community to work on that | 15:54 |
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kgriffs | i don't see it happening soon unless we get a new contributor | 15:54 |
flaper87 | FWIW, I don't think it's a strong requirement for graduation | 15:54 |
kgriffs | yeah, hence i-3 | 15:54 |
alcabrera | the wording says "nice to have", on the grad reqs page | 15:54 |
alcabrera | so I agree | 15:55 |
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kgriffs | plus, it can go into horizon project, so as long as it is done before the freeze, we are good | 15:55 |
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alcabrera | #info Marconi needs eager Horizon volunteer to make Horizon-integration happen | 15:55 |
kgriffs | and this is assuming we become integrated this cycle | 15:55 |
alcabrera | true | 15:56 |
kgriffs | I'm not totally confident that infra has the bandwidth to add us in | 15:56 |
cpallares | what's the freeze?? | 15:56 |
kgriffs | (this time around) | 15:56 |
kgriffs | cpallares: there is a feature freeze just before each release | 15:56 |
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kgriffs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule | 15:56 |
flaper87 | If we don't get integrated this cycle, it's fine as well | 15:56 |
kgriffs | cpallares: ^^^ | 15:56 |
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kgriffs | flaper87: yeah | 15:57 |
kgriffs | but, I want us to still strive for it | 15:57 |
kgriffs | you know, student syndrome | 15:57 |
flaper87 | I'd rather make sure we're full-featured before being integrated than graduating without having a good support | 15:57 |
kgriffs | let's get a "1.0" thing done sometimes this decade. :D | 15:57 |
flaper87 | kgriffs: +1 | 15:57 |
alcabrera | heh, yeah... 1.0. :D | 15:57 |
alcabrera | we'll get there | 15:57 |
alcabrera | 1.5 minutes | 15:58 |
kgriffs | ok, we hit the essential bps | 15:58 |
kgriffs | #topic open discussion | 15:58 |
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alcabrera | any closing thoughts? | 15:58 |
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kgriffs | first thing from me, real quick | 15:58 |
* alcabrera gives mic to kgriffs | 15:58 | |
kgriffs | each mtg I'd like to quickly review in-flight bps | 15:58 |
kgriffs | seems to be a pattern followed by other teams | 15:58 |
alcabrera | +1 | 15:58 |
kgriffs | second thing | 15:58 |
kgriffs | wait, back on first thing | 15:59 |
* kgriffs confuses self | 15:59 | |
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kgriffs | so, if you are assigned a bp or bug, be prepared to defend yourself. I mean, explain youself. | 15:59 |
flaper87 | self = self.confused_self | 15:59 |
kgriffs | i mean, give an update | 15:59 |
kgriffs | :D | 15:59 |
alcabrera | lol | 15:59 |
kgriffs | second thing | 15:59 |
kgriffs | if you register a bp I am going to ignore it until you set a milestone. | 16:00 |
adrian_otto | kgriffs: all done? | 16:00 |
kgriffs | adrian_otto: wrapping up | 16:00 |
kgriffs | ok folks, let's let solum folks do their thing | 16:00 |
flaper87 | o/ | 16:00 |
alcabrera | cool | 16:00 |
kgriffs | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 10 16:00:50 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-12-10-15.05.html | 16:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-12-10-15.05.txt | 16:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-12-10-15.05.log.html | 16:00 |
alcabrera | I'll update the agenda/minutes | 16:00 |
kgriffs | alcabrera: thanks! | 16:01 |
adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 16:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 10 16:01:42 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 16:01 |
adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:01 |
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paulmo | Paul Montgomery, Rackspace | 16:01 |
funzo | Chris Alfonso, Red Hat | 16:01 |
adrian_otto | hello everyone | 16:01 |
funzo | good morning | 16:02 |
datsun180b | hi there | 16:02 |
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russellb | Russell Bryant, OpenStack | 16:02 |
jwforres | Jessica Forrester | 16:02 |
gokrokve_ | Georgy Okrokvertskhov | 16:02 |
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coolsvap | Swapnil | 16:02 |
devkulkarni | Devdatta | 16:02 |
claytonc | Clayton | 16:02 |
kgriffs | Kurt | 16:02 |
adrian_otto | welcome everyone | 16:03 |
adrian_otto | #topic Agenda | 16:03 |
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adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum Today's Agenda | 16:03 |
adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
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briancline | Brian Cline / SoftLayer | 16:03 |
adrian_otto | Are there any announcements the team members would like to make? | 16:03 |
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adrian_otto | ok, to blueprints | 16:04 |
adrian_otto | #topic Review Blueprints | 16:04 |
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adrian_otto | #link https://launchpad.net/solum/+milestone/milestone-1 Milestone 1 Blueprints | 16:04 |
adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/api Solum API | 16:04 |
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adrian_otto | Note: I'd like to timebox this to ~10 minutes. We can schedule a breakout for a longer Q&A if there is interest. | 16:04 |
adrian_otto | Status: Drafting Plan design proposal | 16:04 |
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adrian_otto | #link Draft WIP: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/solum-demystified | 16:04 |
adrian_otto | we can take a moment to look that Etherpad over and collect feedback on the file and resource for the Plan | 16:05 |
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adrian_otto | I recognize we will need more than just a couple of minutes to dig in and understand everything here | 16:06 |
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adrian_otto | so feel free to mark up the etherpad with your remarks and questions | 16:06 |
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devkulkarni | adrian_otto: yes, its big. (and excited to see this) | 16:06 |
claytonc | yeah, same | 16:06 |
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devkulkarni | one quick question: what is 'origin' in a plan? | 16:07 |
adrian_otto | devananda: thanks. I look forward to working through this with you this week | 16:07 |
adrian_otto | origin is where the plan came from, such as "Solum Model Interpreter" | 16:07 |
adrian_otto | or "Adrian's Platform Hosting" | 16:07 |
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adrian_otto | in the case where you have a plan that was created on one system, and exported to another, you want some label that can indicate where it was produced | 16:07 |
devkulkarni | ah okay. | 16:08 |
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gpilz1 | also helps platforms recognize "their own" plans | 16:08 |
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devkulkarni | great to see the build service in the 'services' section :) | 16:08 |
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adrian_otto | yes, you can even get to a point where there is no language pack at all, just a service for "Python Build" for example | 16:10 |
adrian_otto | and the language pack selection can be implicit | 16:10 |
devkulkarni | about component type, would it be useful to identify the specific kind of component (e.g.: db, or ip-handler) | 16:10 |
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devkulkarni | this is not related to the current bp probably, but just thinking out loud | 16:10 |
rajdeep | should there be auto detection of the app type | 16:10 |
rajdeep | in case nothing is specified | 16:10 |
adrian_otto | oh, a component is extensible, so we can add any number of attributes to it | 16:11 |
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adrian_otto | basically in the scheme I'm proposing anything prefixed with solum_ can go into basically any resource anywhere | 16:11 |
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devkulkarni | I see. So instead of defining a generic 'attributes' map or something, we will introduce attributes that start with 'solum_' as and when we need. | 16:12 |
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adrian_otto | ok, so take just a few more minutes, and we will skip forward to discussing the status of CLI | 16:13 |
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adrian_otto | devananda: Yes, that's how the Extensions will work | 16:13 |
adrian_otto | it allow for *anything* to be added as long as it does not contradict the base functionality | 16:14 |
adrian_otto | that allows different service providers to surface different features | 16:14 |
adrian_otto | but in a way that won't clash | 16:14 |
* devananda perks up | 16:14 | |
adrian_otto | so if Rackspace wanted a foo attribute | 16:14 |
adrian_otto | we could have rax_foo on there | 16:14 |
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adrian_otto | as an Extension loaded in our Solum setup | 16:14 |
adrian_otto | make sense? | 16:15 |
russellb | devananda: tab completion fail i think | 16:15 |
adrian_otto | but if you put vendor specific stuff into your plans, then you can't expect your plan to be portable | 16:15 |
devananda | russellb: it seems that way :) | 16:15 |
devkulkarni | adrian_otto: yeah, makes sense | 16:15 |
adrian_otto | ok, so please get me additional feedback, and ML follow-up as needed to continue to advance on this topic | 16:15 |
devkulkarni | russellb: I think that is what must be happening :) | 16:16 |
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adrian_otto | did I miss something important? | 16:16 |
devkulkarni | nah, nothing. | 16:16 |
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coolsvap | devkulkarni :) | 16:16 |
adrian_otto | oh, you had me worried for a sec | 16:16 |
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adrian_otto | oh, whoops, that was tab completion. Sorry devkulkarni | 16:17 |
devkulkarni | he he.. no worries :) | 16:17 |
adrian_otto | sorry devananda | 16:17 |
adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/solum-minimal-cli Command Line Interface For Solum (devdatta-kulkarni) | 16:17 |
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devkulkarni | Okay. So here is a brief update. | 16:18 |
devkulkarni | •Looked at the Trove cli; Plan to use this as starting point: https://github.com/openstack/python-troveclient/tree/master/troveclient/compat | 16:18 |
devkulkarni | •Next step is to look at cliff (https://github.com/dreamhost/cliff) and see how that can be used. | 16:18 |
devkulkarni | datsun180b has helped us with understanding the Trove cli | 16:18 |
devkulkarni | datsun180b: thanks for the help | 16:19 |
kgriffs | devkulkarni: how will this play into the effort to create a single CLI for openstack projects? | 16:19 |
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kgriffs | I suppose since solum is not even incubated yet, it may not (play into it) yet | 16:19 |
devkulkarni | kgriffs: good question. haven't thought that through yet. | 16:20 |
adrian_otto | kgriffs: I atually met with DRG about that last week. | 16:20 |
devkulkarni | open to suggetions/feedback on whether we should be targeting that from M1 | 16:20 |
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kgriffs | adrian_otto: cool | 16:20 |
adrian_otto | we are looped in and Jesse Noller will be subscribing to our review stream | 16:20 |
adrian_otto | so since he is driving our overall OpenStack alignment efforts, we will ride his coattails on that | 16:21 |
kgriffs | makes sense | 16:21 |
adrian_otto | and he will inform us as progress is made on the OpenStack SDK efforts | 16:21 |
* kgriffs grabs onyo Jesse's coattails | 16:21 | |
kgriffs | s/onyo/onto | 16:21 |
russellb | who is DRG? | 16:21 |
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adrian_otto | we can invite him to this meeting for periodic updates | 16:21 |
devkulkarni | cool. adrian_otto, will keep an eye out for updates about this frm you | 16:21 |
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sapuri | devkulkarni: besides the app create-delete commands, are the rest of the app lifecycle commands in scope for m1 - e.g. app start / stop /restart etc? | 16:22 |
kgriffs | russellb: Rackspace | 16:22 |
adrian_otto | russellb: It's our Developer Relations Group. They make tools for Rackspace customers, and are contributing to OpenStack | 16:22 |
adrian_otto | they are interested in helping unify the OpenStack CLI | 16:22 |
russellb | ok | 16:22 |
russellb | should talk to whoever is working on the unified CLI project too :) | 16:22 |
adrian_otto | I will connect you with Jesse | 16:23 |
russellb | maybe they are, just got confused when you switched to rax talk | 16:23 |
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adrian_otto | they are planning some more ML discussion too, that that's coming soon | 16:23 |
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adrian_otto | russellb: sorry about that. | 16:23 |
devkulkarni | sapuri: its not set in stone. if we are done with the create/delete, we will pull in the rest | 16:23 |
kgriffs | I guess I assumed Jesse was already in touch with doug et al. on that | 16:23 |
russellb | probably is | 16:23 |
adrian_otto | kgriffs: yes | 16:23 |
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adrian_otto | ok, more discussion on CLI, or should we advance to Git? | 16:24 |
datsun180b | my two cents is maybe focus stays on minimal and if/when general OS direction is decided, move toward that goal | 16:24 |
adrian_otto | datsun180b: that's exactly the approach | 16:24 |
adrian_otto | we will work entirely in parallel | 16:24 |
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adrian_otto | until we have things to converge on | 16:25 |
datsun180b | plenty of time to vet cliff or other unified approaches | 16:25 |
adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/solum-git-pull Pull integration of Solum from an external Git repo (kraman) | 16:25 |
kraman | Hi, so summary of out last meeting: | 16:25 |
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kraman | We agreed that the git workflow would be configurable and will be logged and auditable | 16:25 |
kraman | there would also be a configuration allowing ops to specify a regex for allowed URLs | 16:26 |
kraman | so they may restrict it as they see fit | 16:26 |
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kraman | There was discussion around using Zuul | 16:26 |
kraman | and I am hoping to meet up with mordred later to get a diagram of his thoughts on that | 16:26 |
mordred | sorry. it's my fault | 16:26 |
kraman | our next meeting is scheduled for tomorrow at 8 am PST | 16:26 |
mordred | I owe documentation | 16:27 |
mordred | two conferences in a week happened | 16:27 |
kraman | and thats where we stand right now | 16:27 |
kraman | mordred: no problem. if you have time today we can discuss it before tomorrows meeting | 16:27 |
paulczar | I assume zuul would be optional ? | 16:27 |
adrian_otto | kraman: thanks | 16:27 |
mordred | but I promose - when I get it done, you'll all love it and we can all go raise bunnies or somehting :) | 16:27 |
adrian_otto | mordred: lol | 16:27 |
mordred | paulczar: I don't think so | 16:27 |
kraman | paulczar: we havent decided on it yet. still needs discussion | 16:27 |
kraman | but right now it feels like it would not be optional | 16:28 |
adrian_otto | ok, ready for next blueprint? | 16:28 |
kraman | there are other questions I had as well which I have sent on the ML | 16:28 |
kraman | adrian_otto: yes. thanks | 16:28 |
mordred | yeah. we'll get more deets. sorry for the delay | 16:28 |
adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/user-authentication User authentication for incoming requests (gokrokvertskhov) | 16:28 |
adrian_otto | See: https://review.openstack.org/58811 | 16:28 |
rajdeep_ | can we assume other workflow engines can be plugged in as well | 16:28 |
gokrokve_ | Hi. I added a new patch set for it. Now it passed gates. | 16:29 |
adrian_otto | gokrokve_: WHOOT | 16:29 |
adrian_otto | ok, so note to reviewers to have a look at that patch set and make remarks | 16:29 |
russellb | gokrokve_: cool, will try to review today | 16:29 |
gokrokve_ | It has some small tricks for python33 in test_auth | 16:29 |
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adrian_otto | gokrokve_: can you explain them for us here? | 16:29 |
russellb | gokrokve_: do you have a functional test for it? | 16:29 |
gokrokve_ | if import of keystone fails, all tests will be skipped | 16:30 |
russellb | gokrokve_: need to get the gate running the functional tests soon (so far it's just starting up the API in devstack) | 16:30 |
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gokrokve_ | russellb: there is no functional tests for that. Only unit tests. | 16:30 |
russellb | OK, that'd be something nice to add ... can be another patch though, i suppose | 16:30 |
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briancline | cool | 16:31 |
adrian_otto | gokrokve_: thanks for the work in thinking through unit+func tests | 16:31 |
gokrokve_ | russellb: but this patch affects all functional tests. Authentication is enabled by default, so you need to have keystone and credentials to run tests against app. | 16:31 |
russellb | right | 16:31 |
adrian_otto | and russellb for his contributions there too | 16:31 |
adrian_otto | gokrokve_: (unless your func tests sets up auth to be False as the stest is stood up, right)? | 16:32 |
gokrokve_ | adrian_otto: yes. you can do this. | 16:32 |
adrian_otto | so that would be acceptable for non-auth related func tests | 16:33 |
russellb | would like to start requiring functional tests for everything in the APi as things come in though | 16:33 |
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adrian_otto | russellb: +1 | 16:33 |
adrian_otto | ok, more remarks on this one? | 16:33 |
devkulkarni | russellb: +1 | 16:33 |
gokrokve_ | russellb: As soon as we have all required infrastructure around that. | 16:33 |
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russellb | well, should be able to do it now | 16:33 |
russellb | they're just not running in the gate yet | 16:33 |
russellb | close though | 16:33 |
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gokrokve_ | russellb: We need to keep base configuration somewhere. | 16:33 |
adrian_otto | good discussion. Maybe this needs a blueprint? | 16:34 |
adrian_otto | I'll entertain one for that, if someone feels like drafting one. | 16:35 |
adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/specify-lang-pack Specify the language pack to be used for app deploy (devdatta-kulkarni) | 16:35 |
gokrokve_ | adrian_otto: Sure. We need couple bps to organize tests and processes around them. | 16:35 |
sapuri | gokrokve: is the intent to also leverage the notion of tenancy that comes with openstack/keystone, | 16:35 |
gokrokve_ | sapuri: Yes. I am thinking about that. It will be a separate BP. | 16:36 |
devkulkarni | Here is an update on the specify-lang-pack bp: | 16:36 |
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devkulkarni | •Status: Had discussion in language pack working group meeting; came up with https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Solum-Language-pack-json-format | 16:36 |
devkulkarni | •Status: Need input on the endpoint (/v1/language-packs/ vs. /v1/components/) | 16:36 |
gokrokve_ | sapuri: We need to design some unified approach wich works with and without keystone auth. | 16:36 |
devkulkarni | To give a overall context, we agreed to have a API for language packs in M1 in Solum | 16:37 |
devkulkarni | There was discussion around whether we should skip it and directly use glance (or heater) apis for this. | 16:37 |
adrian_otto | devkulkarni: the /services might be where we want to list language packs, or possibly in a catalog service, which has been a topic of discussion on the ML | 16:37 |
claytonc | catalog service was exactly what got discussed :) | 16:37 |
devkulkarni | We agreed that in the background Solum may use glance/heater etc. but API should be built in Solum | 16:37 |
devkulkarni | claytonc: right | 16:38 |
briancline | I hate to add a third option to think about, but perhaps "kits"? | 16:38 |
adrian_otto | got it | 16:38 |
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adrian_otto | briancline: ooh, I like that! | 16:38 |
devkulkarni | adrian_otto: /services makes sense | 16:38 |
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sapuri | gokrokve: got it.. the authz portions of keystone are limited, but can be built upon using various roles.. the permissions for the roles would have to be maintained in solum db, i would assume | 16:39 |
devkulkarni | I have started working on this, will have a patch sometime soon. | 16:39 |
adrian_otto | ok, next blueprint... | 16:39 |
adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/logging Logging Architecture (paulmo) | 16:39 |
adrian_otto | See: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/Logging | 16:39 |
paulmo | Ah, beat me to the 2nd link. The 2nd link contains some guidance for how to log and what to watch out for. | 16:40 |
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paulmo | This will be expanded and I will add more explanation in there. | 16:40 |
paulmo | Does this look reasonable to everyone? | 16:40 |
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russellb | paulmo: more code expected? or firming up guidelines? | 16:41 |
adrian_otto | how does the team feel about making the OpenStack Security Guide (OSSG) the basis for the Solum security architecture? | 16:41 |
claytonc | +! | 16:41 |
paulmo | This is attempting to set a process for logging. Clayton showed how Oslo log can be used to identify confidential data. | 16:41 |
claytonc | +1 | 16:41 |
devkulkarni | paulmo: in the 'extra' section, we would need both 'key' and 'value', right? | 16:41 |
russellb | heh, OSSG is also the acronym for the OpenStack Security Group | 16:42 |
devkulkarni | I think there might be a typo "value=value" | 16:42 |
adrian_otto | with some additioanl solum specific concerns added as justified by this team | 16:42 |
paulmo | In the example, key wasn't confidential. Perhaps a better name would be appropriate for the example though. | 16:42 |
russellb | seems fine though | 16:42 |
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adrian_otto | paulmo you said you were going to dress up the examples a bit, so I think that's a WIP, right? | 16:42 |
paulmo | Ok, no concerns about the logging guidelines? I would like to use that in reviews going forward. | 16:42 |
paulmo | Yes | 16:42 |
paulmo | I will modify based on all feedback received. :_ | 16:43 |
paulmo | :) | 16:43 |
adrian_otto | ok, any objections to documenting an agreement: "OpenStack Security Guide (OSSG) will be the basis for the Solum security architecture" | 16:43 |
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adrian_otto | ? | 16:43 |
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russellb | don't think i've read it all, but i'm sure it's sane :) | 16:43 |
paulmo | I think that is a perfect start to architecting our security model. | 16:43 |
devkulkarni | russellb: same here. | 16:44 |
adrian_otto | ok, I'm happy to revisit this later if we find something ridiculous in there | 16:44 |
devkulkarni | sounds good | 16:44 |
paulmo | If we agree to go in that direction, I would create a list of Solum security topics vs operator security implementation and get agreement fromt he group if that sounds like a feasible path. | 16:44 |
russellb | if something ridiculous was in there, it'd be an issue bigger than just solum's concern, heh | 16:44 |
devkulkarni | paulmo: +1 | 16:44 |
adrian_otto | plus, we are participating in the OSSG, so we can get it changed if we find something that we truly can't accept | 16:44 |
russellb | i think every project should be on board with what's in there, and should contribute as applicable | 16:44 |
adrian_otto | russellb: exactly | 16:44 |
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paulmo | russellb: Yes, I plan to contribute to the spec where we find new Solum issues. | 16:45 |
adrian_otto | #agreed OpenStack Security Guide (OSSG) will be the basis for the Solum security architecture | 16:45 |
coolsvap | no objections as long as #Solum follows the #OpenStack way from start :) | 16:45 |
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adrian_otto | #agreed Solum will have additional security requirements as needed, documented on our Wiki pages | 16:46 |
adrian_otto | (as security concerns pertain to applications) | 16:46 |
russellb | coolsvap: +1, and alternatively, work to influence the OpenStack way instead of just diverging without broader conversation when applicable | 16:46 |
paulmo | Here is the link to the addition Solum-specific requirements (to be, need to clean up vs the OSSG): https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/Security | 16:46 |
adrian_otto | our last blueprint was mentioned earlier, so this should be a quick update: | 16:46 |
rajdeep_ | +1 on using the standard OSSG with additional layers where ever applicable | 16:46 |
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rajdeep_ | containers / docket | 16:47 |
adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/Security | 16:47 |
adrian_otto | (for the minutes) | 16:47 |
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rajdeep_ | docker could be one area where additional hardening is required | 16:47 |
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adrian_otto | rajdeep_: absolutely | 16:47 |
paulmo | Yes, agreed rajdeep_ | 16:47 |
adrian_otto | last blueprint now... | 16:47 |
adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/solum-zuul-integration Solum integration with Zuul (devdatta-kulkarni) | 16:48 |
devkulkarni | actually, for update on the last bp, we can just wait for mordred to send the flow/diagram for Zuul. | 16:48 |
adrian_otto | ok, so no update needed | 16:48 |
adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:48 |
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kraman | devkulkarni: is that BP just a seb BP of the git workflow | 16:48 |
funzo | also, waiting for responses to krishna's email re Zuul | 16:48 |
kraman | s/seb/sub/ | 16:48 |
claytonc | adrian_otto: as per the langpack meeting yesterday there's a spec missing from M1 that we said would be essential | 16:49 |
claytonc | which was langpack-examples | 16:49 |
devkulkarni | devkulkarni: it is a separate bp than git workflow. I had created it as a placeholder for investigating Zuul. | 16:49 |
devkulkarni | sorry I meant kraman | 16:49 |
devkulkarni | :D | 16:49 |
adrian_otto | claytonc: is there a new blueprint for me to process? | 16:49 |
kraman | :) k | 16:49 |
claytonc | i have a todo to draft that as a sub-BP of the lang pack BP | 16:49 |
kraman | devkulkarni: perhaps after discussion with mordred we can merge that into git. lets see | 16:49 |
devkulkarni | kraman: but, yeah, it can be considered as a sub bp of the overall git workflow | 16:49 |
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claytonc | it would be the Java/Python example image langpacks suitable for consumption by dev's get-lang-pack and specify-lang-pack | 16:49 |
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devkulkarni | kraman: may make sense to do that. | 16:50 |
claytonc | but it would be strictly scoped to what is required for M1 and would serve as a foundation for later, post M1 specs that might deal with more complex langpacks | 16:50 |
adrian_otto | are there other new blueprints that we should consider for M1? | 16:50 |
kraman | claytonc: adrian_otto: need some guidance from lang-pack BP workgroup as to where they want the git-sources available for processing | 16:50 |
kraman | just FYI, perhaps it can be an item on next meeting agenda | 16:51 |
adrian_otto | kraman: okay, any suggestions? | 16:51 |
claytonc | kraman: we didn't get to that topic, the new spec would "own" that reqt and we can discuss it at next monday's meeting. my initial thoughts are that it's an argument to a known "execution script" | 16:51 |
kraman | claytonc: sure. lets discussion next meeting. argument sounds fine. but it may need to be a (bind)-mounted into the VM or container | 16:52 |
claytonc | kraman: agree its both | 16:52 |
devkulkarni | adrian_otto: stating the obvious. anything that is required for end to end working example, and which has not been identified yet needs to be identified and scoped as part of current blue prints or new blue prints | 16:52 |
claytonc | the argument is to let the script know where it's bind mounted - since different OS' may not have the same path semantics | 16:52 |
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adrian_otto | devananda: Thakns. I'm fishing for ones that meet that criteria that have been submitted as new that I should take notice of, and target accordingly | 16:53 |
adrian_otto | I did it again, darn it | 16:53 |
adrian_otto | ^^ devkulkarni | 16:53 |
devananda | :) | 16:53 |
devkulkarni | :) | 16:53 |
adrian_otto | sorry devananda | 16:53 |
paulmo | #link http://docs.openstack.org/security-guide/content/openstack_user_guide.html (OS Security Guide Link from previous discussion) | 16:53 |
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adrian_otto | thanks paulmo | 16:53 |
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devkulkarni | paulmo: is there any specific parts of the guide that developers should focus on first? | 16:55 |
adrian_otto | 5 mins remaiing | 16:56 |
paulmo | I think it is good to quickly review in general but I'll try to pull out what looks like Solum work vs operator/devops work for review by the group if that sounds good. | 16:56 |
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devkulkarni | paulmo: thanks. that will be helpful. | 16:56 |
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paulmo | Once we have that, we can start discussing security milestones. | 16:57 |
devkulkarni | paulmo: sounds good | 16:57 |
adrian_otto | ok, sounds like we are ready to wrap up | 16:58 |
adrian_otto | thanks everyone for attending! | 16:58 |
adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 10 16:58:23 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2013/solum_team_meeting.2013-12-10-16.01.html | 16:58 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2013/solum_team_meeting.2013-12-10-16.01.txt | 16:58 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2013/solum_team_meeting.2013-12-10-16.01.log.html | 16:58 |
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ativelkov | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 10 17:00:34 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ativelkov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
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ativelkov | Hi Muranoers! | 17:01 |
ativelkov | Anybody here today? | 17:01 |
tsufiev | hi! | 17:01 |
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dteselkin | Hi ! | 17:01 |
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sergmelikyan-a | \o | 17:01 |
ativelkov | Let's start then | 17:02 |
stanlagun | hi | 17:02 |
ativelkov | Let's start with AI review, as usual | 17:02 |
ativelkov | #topic AI review | 17:02 |
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ativelkov | ativelkov to fix the security groups cidd assignment | 17:03 |
ativelkov | This is done, the fix has been reviewed and merged to master branch already | 17:03 |
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ativelkov | ativelkov to update the blueprint on advanced networking | 17:03 |
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ativelkov | This is not done yet: too many tasks are pending on other documentation, so I could not find time to do it | 17:04 |
ativelkov | will do next week, I hope | 17:04 |
ativelkov | #action ativelkov to update the blueprint on advanced networking | 17:04 |
ativelkov | Next, katyafervent to transfer api spec to docbook | 17:04 |
gokrokve_ | Hi | 17:04 |
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tsufiev | currently she is away, but afaik she did it | 17:05 |
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ativelkov | Ok, that' good | 17:05 |
ativelkov | The remaining are on you, Timur: | 17:05 |
ativelkov | tsufiev to create launchpad issues to track bugs with security group cords and MS SQL cluster IP | 17:06 |
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tsufiev | done | 17:07 |
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ativelkov | tsufiev to implement the subnet detection routing in the dashboard | 17:07 |
ativelkov | Is this done as well? | 17:07 |
tsufiev | also done, finally implemented it today | 17:07 |
ativelkov | Good! | 17:07 |
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ativelkov | Ok, let's discuss the upcoming 0.4 then | 17:08 |
ativelkov | #topic release 0.4 | 17:08 |
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ativelkov | tsufiev, please share an update | 17:08 |
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tsufiev | we have fixed all bugs in Metadata Repository (that are known) | 17:09 |
tsufiev | we have a code freeze today, also | 17:09 |
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ativelkov | Is it already active? | 17:09 |
tsufiev | so right now we trying to ensure that nothing broken in 0.4 remains | 17:09 |
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tsufiev | we're currently testing MS SQL Cluster deployment - it seems, that some port were open previously by default | 17:10 |
ativelkov | I mean, is the stable 0.4 branch is created? | 17:10 |
tsufiev | and now we need to specify them manually | 17:10 |
tsufiev | not yet, i'l do it in an hour or so | 17:10 |
ativelkov | Ok | 17:11 |
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ativelkov | #info code freeze for 0.4 scheduled for today, will occur in about 10 am PST | 17:11 |
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ativelkov | tnurlygayanov_: can you comment on the bugs known in 0.4 by far? | 17:11 |
tnurlygayanov_ | so, we hova no critical issues in the release 0.4 | 17:12 |
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ativelkov | #info No critical issues in 0.4 discovered yet | 17:12 |
tnurlygayanov_ | and we plan to fix some major features during the next few days | 17:13 |
ativelkov | what do you mean by major features? Is something not implemented yet - or you mean bugs? | 17:13 |
tsufiev | tnurlygayanov_: are they related to fuel? | 17:13 |
tnurlygayanov_ | all automated tests, which we executed on our test lab are passed for this release | 17:13 |
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tnurlygayanov_ | or? sorry, major bugs ) | 17:13 |
ativelkov | Ok. We need to decide if we really want to fix them or document as known issues and proceed. | 17:14 |
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tsufiev | tnurlygayanov_: do you mean major bugs in murano itself or fuel integration issues? | 17:14 |
ativelkov | Usually code freeze means that check-ins are allowed only for critical bugs | 17:14 |
ativelkov | So, I would suggest | 17:15 |
tnurlygayanov_ | in Murano, yes. Need to fix and merge commti for key pair, for example | 17:15 |
ativelkov | to either escalate the status of the bugs to "critical" - or to postpone the fix till 0.4.1 | 17:15 |
tnurlygayanov_ | it does not work now ) | 17:15 |
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tnurlygayanov_ | ok, we will review bugs descriptions and will change priorities and mailstones for all bugs | 17:16 |
ativelkov | #info some major bugs remain. Some of them may be escalated and fixed before the release, others will remain as known issue | 17:16 |
tsufiev | afair, key pairs wasn't specified as 0.4 deliverables... | 17:16 |
tsufiev | is it a critical feature? | 17:17 |
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ativelkov | yup. Also, the linux images which we use for this Apps usually allow root login via the horizon console | 17:17 |
ativelkov | So, I don't think that they are really crtitical | 17:17 |
ativelkov | But it is up to you to decide, as you are the owner of the release | 17:18 |
tnurlygayanov_ | it is small non critical feature, but implementation of linux services without this feature is incomple | 17:18 |
tsufiev | i'd prefer to postpone them until 0.4.1 | 17:18 |
ativelkov | Anyway, we need to schedule a service release 0.4.1 which will fix these known issues and will add role-based access control to Simplified Metadata Repository | 17:18 |
tnurlygayanov_ | ok, no problem, let's move it to 0.4.1 | 17:19 |
tsufiev | good :) | 17:19 |
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ativelkov | #agreed to postpone kypair fix till 0.4.1 | 17:19 |
joel_c | joel_c: when do we expect 0.4.1 to land? approximately? | 17:19 |
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ativelkov | Depends on the feature set. If this is just bug fixes + RBAC, then about mid january | 17:20 |
ativelkov | May be earlier, but long holiday seasons tend to consume time | 17:21 |
joel_c | ativelkov: sounds good. | 17:21 |
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ativelkov | Is that all what we have for 0.4, tsufiev? | 17:22 |
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tsufiev | ativelkov: almost forgotten. Also all needed heat patches were ported to havana - to make ms sql cluster work | 17:23 |
tsufiev | now i think that's all | 17:23 |
ativelkov | I thought that allowed address pairs is not ported to havanna | 17:23 |
ativelkov | At least yesterday I saw it in their master, but not in stable/havana | 17:24 |
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tsufiev | i rebased patches made from master onto stable/havana | 17:24 |
tsufiev | dteselkin applied it today on our lab, it works | 17:24 |
ativelkov | Ah, I see | 17:25 |
ativelkov | but the official Heat does not have it in their Havanna release | 17:25 |
ativelkov | This means that our implementation of MS SQL Cluster will work either on the latest trunk of the Heat - or on patched deployment of Havana | 17:26 |
ativelkov | but not on the out-of-the-box Havana | 17:26 |
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tsufiev | yes, exactly | 17:26 |
ativelkov | This is fine, but we need to track such limitations carefully | 17:26 |
ativelkov | tsufiev, this should get into the release notes of 0.4 | 17:27 |
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tsufiev | ativelkov: ok, will add it | 17:27 |
ativelkov | #action tsufiev to ensure that allowed_ip_addresses limitation gets its way into release notes of 0.4 | 17:27 |
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ativelkov | Ok, let's move on | 17:28 |
ativelkov | #topic release 0.5 planning | 17:28 |
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ativelkov | So, we have completed vision for DSL design | 17:29 |
ativelkov | some of it are summarised in ether pad at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MuranoMetadata | 17:29 |
ativelkov | We are going to complete the pad this week and move the final definition to wiki | 17:30 |
ativelkov | And then create a series of blueprint to implement the minimal feature set of this spec in the 0.5 | 17:30 |
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ativelkov | Afaik, stanlagun is doing some PoC with the engine for the new DSL right now | 17:31 |
ativelkov | stanlagun, can you share some update on this topic | 17:31 |
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ativelkov | ? | 17:31 |
stanlagun | Well it is going not so fast as I hoped | 17:32 |
stanlagun | because of many meatings we have | 17:32 |
stanlagun | but I expect it to be completed by next comunity meeting | 17:32 |
ativelkov | What set of functionality may we expect? | 17:33 |
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ativelkov | #info new-DSL engine is being prototyped. ETA - next tuesday | 17:34 |
stanlagun | Currently I'm trying to implement some workflow engine prototype that can handle simultenious task execution. The goal is also to implement classes for underlying type system. That is a DOM model for the DSL | 17:34 |
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ativelkov | #info prototype will have a DOM model with parser and a simple workflow engine | 17:34 |
ativelkov | stanlagun what about Mistral? Are we going to use it for the workflows? | 17:35 |
stanlagun | As a result it will be possible to declare and implement workflow for some Hello-World class | 17:35 |
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stanlagun | No. Mistral is yet far from our minimal requirements. But it is moving fast and I'm present on all of their meetings to be sure it is going in good direction. I expect that we can start using Mistral by 0.6-0.7 timeframe | 17:36 |
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ativelkov | Thanks | 17:36 |
ativelkov | #info PoC of the new workflow engine is not going to use Mistral. We will migrate to Mistral at later stages of the product | 17:37 |
ativelkov | Also, there was a long discussion in mailing list about HeatR | 17:37 |
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ativelkov | It turned out that there is a strong community demand for a generic unified Metadata Repository | 17:38 |
ativelkov | which will be able to store various kinds of cataloged metadata | 17:38 |
ativelkov | The consensus in the list was reached that Glance should become such a reporsitory | 17:39 |
stanlagun | Is it final? | 17:39 |
ativelkov | Of course not | 17:39 |
ativelkov | But we should expect that it may come true | 17:40 |
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ativelkov | So, Murano should 1) be prepared for such changes and make a good use of the new repository if it emerges, 2) contribute our own ideas and experience | 17:41 |
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ativelkov | In general, this would be really beneficial for all the projects in the community | 17:41 |
ativelkov | Anyway, until the final solution is made, we should demonstrate our own achievements in this area to the community | 17:42 |
ativelkov | It is suggested to present our simplified metadata repository | 17:42 |
ativelkov | tsufiev has recorded a short video demo, gokrokve_ will send it to a mailing list | 17:43 |
ativelkov | Ok, that's all we have for 0.5 for now | 17:45 |
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ativelkov | #topic Open Questions | 17:45 |
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ativelkov | Does anybody have any questions? | 17:45 |
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ativelkov | Ok, then I have a proposal | 17:46 |
ativelkov | As release 0.4 is moving to the delivery, I'd like to clean up the remaining bugs which we have at launchpad | 17:47 |
ativelkov | Some of them are outdated, some need to be re-estimated | 17:47 |
ativelkov | So, I suggest to have a standard bug-scrub procedure | 17:47 |
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ativelkov | I suggest to send an invitation to a mailing list - so all may participate in this procedure | 17:49 |
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ativelkov | We will then schedule a convenient timeslot and all do a bug scrub in #murano channel | 17:50 |
igormarnat | Sounds good | 17:50 |
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ativelkov | currently we have 69 open bugs, so it should not take too long | 17:50 |
ativelkov | lots of them are in "fix committed" state, so they are likely to be closed with the release of 0.4 | 17:51 |
ativelkov | Any objections? | 17:51 |
ativelkov | #agreed have a bug-scrub procedure to clean-up the launchpad issues after the release 0.4 goes public | 17:52 |
ativelkov | #action ativelkov to send a bug-scrub invitation | 17:52 |
ativelkov | Ok, that's all I had. Any other questions? | 17:52 |
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ativelkov | Then let's finish the meeting | 17:54 |
ativelkov | #endmeeting | 17:54 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 10 17:54:15 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:54 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-12-10-17.00.html | 17:54 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-12-10-17.00.txt | 17:54 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-12-10-17.00.log.html | 17:54 |
ativelkov | Thanks for joining | 17:54 |
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lifeless | morning | 19:00 |
rpodolyaka1 | o/ | 19:00 |
lsmola_ | hello | 19:00 |
lifeless | #startmeeting tripleo | 19:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 10 19:00:41 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lifeless. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 19:00 |
dkehn | hi | 19:00 |
slagle | hi | 19:00 |
jtomasek | hi | 19:00 |
lsmola_ | o/ | 19:01 |
marios | o/ | 19:01 |
lifeless | ulp, someone deleted standing agenda items, please hold while I recover from history | 19:01 |
tzumainn | hiya | 19:01 |
jprovazn | hi | 19:01 |
jistr | o/ | 19:01 |
dprince | sup | 19:01 |
devananda | \o | 19:01 |
bnemec | \o | 19:01 |
lifeless | #topic agenda | 19:02 |
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lifeless | bugs | 19:02 |
lifeless | reviews | 19:02 |
lifeless | Projects needing releases | 19:02 |
lifeless | CD Cloud status | 19:02 |
lifeless | CI virtualized testing progress | 19:02 |
lifeless | Insert one-off agenda items here | 19:02 |
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lifeless | moving TripleO UI under Horizon codebase | 19:02 |
lifeless | open discussion | 19:02 |
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lifeless | #topic bugs | 19:02 |
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lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 19:02 |
lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 19:02 |
lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 19:02 |
lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 19:02 |
lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 19:02 |
lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 19:02 |
lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar-ui | 19:02 |
lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:02 |
lifeless | criticals: | 19:03 |
lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1254246 | 19:03 |
lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1254555 | 19:03 |
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rpodolyaka1 | fix for the first one is on review | 19:03 |
rpodolyaka1 | one +2 so far | 19:03 |
rpodolyaka1 | but reviews in neutron are really slow | 19:04 |
lifeless | untriaged: | 19:04 |
lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config/+bug/1258351 | 19:04 |
lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1252977 | 19:04 |
lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1259417 | 19:04 |
lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1242266 | 19:04 |
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lifeless | rpodolyaka1: would it help if we agitate for these in the Neutron meeting; given they are regressions... | 19:05 |
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rpodolyaka1 | lifeless: ok. will try to ping folks in irc tomorrow, the meeting was yesterday | 19:06 |
lifeless | rpodolyaka1: ok, cool | 19:06 |
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lifeless | So we're a little behind on triage; I know I let myself get a little slack, cause we were so well triaged for a while. | 19:07 |
lifeless | Reminder to everyone! triage all the projects once a week - many hands, light work. | 19:07 |
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slagle | ack | 19:07 |
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jprovazn | one bug which I think should be set to high or critical - https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1226310 (the neverending LIBVIRT_URI), if you agree, I'll be happy to create/send a patch which adds nova config option for this? | 19:08 |
lifeless | A cursory look suggests at least one high in there | 19:08 |
lifeless | jprovazn: hey; so I *thought* we fixed it back at the sprint | 19:08 |
slagle | we had a fix, it no longer works | 19:09 |
lifeless | jprovazn: export it locally, or is this for the overcloud itself ? | 19:09 |
slagle | the environment variable in the systemd service file for nova compute no longer seems to be taking effect | 19:09 |
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jprovazn | lifeless, I remember you mentioned it's sovled, but I never got abck to it since that, I think it's exported on wrong machine | 19:09 |
lifeless | ok, nuts. | 19:09 |
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slagle | i wonder if something changed in the virtual power driver somewhere to how the evnironment is exported to ssh | 19:09 |
jprovazn | lifeless, so quick fix: document it, longer/better fix: nova patch | 19:10 |
lifeless | jprovazn: +1 IMO; review if nova have concerns | 19:10 |
lifeless | s/review/revisit/ | 19:10 |
slagle | there's no fix to document yet, unless we add to bashrc on the host or something | 19:10 |
slagle | but we can discuss post-meeting | 19:10 |
lifeless | ack | 19:10 |
jprovazn | ok | 19:10 |
lifeless | any other bug business? | 19:10 |
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lifeless | moving on | 19:11 |
lifeless | #topic reviews | 19:11 |
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lifeless | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html | 19:12 |
lifeless | 19:12 | |
lifeless | Stats since the last revision without -1 or -2 : | 19:12 |
lifeless | Average wait time: 3 days, 12 hours, 43 minutes | 19:12 |
lifeless | 1rd quartile wait time: 0 days, 3 hours, 22 minutes | 19:12 |
lifeless | Median wait time: 0 days, 9 hours, 2 minutes | 19:12 |
lifeless | 3rd quartile wait time: 8 days, 3 hours, 26 minutes | 19:12 |
lifeless | so our latency is good - folk are getting prompt feedback | 19:12 |
lifeless | are there any specific reviews folk want to talk about ? | 19:12 |
jomara | lifeless: do you ever compare us to other projects? | 19:12 |
lifeless | jomara: yes | 19:12 |
jomara | lifeless: we have to be #1 in the business | 19:12 |
marios | lifeless: srsly - this is beyond good. you should see what happens in neutron | 19:12 |
lifeless | I'm really thrilled with how we're handling reviews | 19:13 |
lsmola_ | agreed, also Horizon is muuuch slower | 19:13 |
jomara | yeah patches in horizon take weeks | 19:13 |
rpodolyaka1 | good job! | 19:13 |
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jomara | upside: you never have a hard time finding something to review there :) | 19:14 |
jcoufal | o/ | 19:14 |
lifeless | jomara: zing :( | 19:14 |
tzumainn | lol | 19:14 |
lifeless | ok, moving on | 19:14 |
lifeless | #topic Projects needing releases | 19:14 |
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lifeless | rpodolyaka1: Should we rotate the post, or are you up for another week ? | 19:15 |
rpodolyaka1 | lifeless: I am up | 19:15 |
lifeless | #note rpodolyaka1 to release projects again - thanks! | 19:15 |
lifeless | #topic CD Cloud status | 19:15 |
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lifeless | SpamapS put in a tone of effort to turn around the quagmire we had gotten stuck in | 19:16 |
lifeless | over the weekend we ran out of undercloud disk space | 19:16 |
lifeless | We're currently blocked on further improvements on the nova rebuild feature | 19:16 |
lifeless | SpamapS: is there more we should capture? | 19:17 |
lifeless | rpodolyaka1: any update on that? I've been struggling to get a deep enough timeslice to move it forward | 19:17 |
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rpodolyaka1 | lifeless: unfortunately, no :( | 19:17 |
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rpodolyaka1 | planning to hack on this tomorrow though | 19:18 |
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lifeless | ok; I'm wondering if we should cast a somewhat wider net - e.g. the main list - and ask for a volunteer | 19:18 |
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rpodolyaka1 | +1 | 19:18 |
lifeless | I suggested to SpamapS he might want to tool up on Nova and get into it | 19:18 |
rpodolyaka1 | at least to get attention of reviewers | 19:18 |
rpodolyaka1 | to get early feedback | 19:19 |
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lifeless | so that is fairly discouraged on the list | 19:19 |
lifeless | I would happily say 'hey, we're having folk pulled this way and that, and it's super important to us, so if you have spare time we'd love the help | 19:19 |
lifeless | but if we want some eyeballs, #openstack-nova and a gentle ask there is the way to go | 19:19 |
rpodolyaka1 | got it | 19:20 |
lifeless | I will ask in IRC today for some quick one-off reviews | 19:20 |
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rpodolyaka1 | cool! | 19:20 |
lifeless | coarse grained, no deep thought | 19:20 |
lifeless | #todo lifeless to ask for first-pass reviews of the rebuild patch set | 19:20 |
lifeless | rpodolyaka1: is it functional, do you think? | 19:20 |
lifeless | like | 19:20 |
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rpodolyaka1 | lifeless: so rebuild works for me for libvirt | 19:21 |
lifeless | if it worked, we could deploy that on our undercloud while it gets polish, and move forward | 19:21 |
lifeless | with preservation? | 19:21 |
rpodolyaka1 | oh, not yet | 19:21 |
lifeless | oh, we'll need the client to expose the option too, right ? | 19:21 |
rpodolyaka1 | yep, and we've got a patch already | 19:21 |
lifeless | sweet! | 19:22 |
rpodolyaka1 | so no preservation yet, just the glue for it | 19:22 |
rpodolyaka1 | from API layer | 19:22 |
lifeless | ok -> #openstack-meeting for a minute, they are talking tripleo testing - and it was the next item on the agenda here too | 19:22 |
lifeless | #topic testing | 19:23 |
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jdob | SpamapS: we're over in #openstack-meeting | 19:39 |
bnemec | It's where all the cool kids are. :-) | 19:39 |
SpamapS | I see that | 19:39 |
lifeless | sorry folk, we're still going on testing over <- there | 19:39 |
jdob | talking testing and we just narrowly avoided trying to get the bots to talk between channels and gain sentience and all of the armageddon that entails | 19:40 |
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lifeless | ok | 19:48 |
lifeless | #topic moving TripleO UI under Horizon codebase | 19:48 |
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lifeless | so - thoughts on this? | 19:49 |
SpamapS | I'm +1 for that. I don't feel qualified at all to do reviews of the code itself. | 19:49 |
SpamapS | The design process should still happen in TripleO | 19:49 |
jistr | SpamapS: +1 | 19:50 |
lsmola_ | lifeless, when should this happen? | 19:50 |
jtomasek | +1 | 19:50 |
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lifeless | lsmola_: if there is consensus on it happening, both here and w/Horizon, we can talk timing :) | 19:50 |
lsmola_ | lifeless, and yeah +1, seems all UI belongs to Horizon | 19:50 |
slagle | has the horizon team said anything? besides dlyle's initial response on the list to the core reviewer thread? | 19:50 |
lifeless | lsmola_: I think it's largely up to the folk doing the work | 19:50 |
jtomasek | lifeless: we will discuss this on horizon meeting in few hours | 19:51 |
lifeless | slagle: ^ :) | 19:51 |
slagle | :) | 19:51 |
lifeless | So the one thing I'm concerned about is review latency there | 19:51 |
slagle | yes, me too (given earlier comments) | 19:51 |
jtomasek | I think we are in process to improve that too | 19:51 |
slagle | so, hopefully folks who are tripleo core and working on tuskar_ui can become horizon core? | 19:52 |
jistr | are any of the tripleo folks also horizon core? | 19:52 |
lsmola_ | lifeless, well it should be better when we will be there fulltime, itÅ› like extra 6 people | 19:52 |
lsmola_ | jistr, not yet | 19:52 |
jtomasek | jistr: not yet afaik | 19:52 |
lsmola_ | jistr, though we will need to become core, to keep things rolling | 19:52 |
lifeless | lsmola_: perhaps - I mean, it depends on why there is the latency there is. | 19:53 |
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lifeless | If it's not enough core bandwidth, then yeah, adding to core will help. | 19:53 |
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lifeless | If it's something else, might need to focus on figuring that out and debugging it. | 19:53 |
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lifeless | review is just a process like any other :) | 19:53 |
lsmola_ | lifeless, well right now, there are only a few people doing reviews | 19:53 |
lifeless | ok, so yeah then I concur :) | 19:54 |
jistr | lsmola_: ok so seems there might be a bump initially, but when some of you guys get into core, it should be ok again | 19:54 |
lsmola_ | jistr, yeah, I guess | 19:55 |
lifeless | I think it would be reasonable to do what we did with the initial tuskar -> tripleo merge | 19:55 |
jistr | lifeless: +1 that's a great idea, hopefully horizon folks will be ok with that | 19:55 |
lifeless | which is to say (as tuskarUI would still be a distinct codebase until tuskar API has been integrated) - | 19:55 |
lsmola_ | lifeless, not sure if that will be possible, but yeah, it would be nice | 19:55 |
lifeless | have all of horizon-core + the folks from tripleo-core that want to work on tuskar-ui be -core for tuskar-ui specifically, then take 3/4/5 months to let them learn the horizon review norms | 19:56 |
lifeless | make it graceful | 19:56 |
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lifeless | I don't think thats a sustainable long term structure - silos and all - but to make the move smooth it makes a lot of sense to me | 19:57 |
lsmola_ | lifeless, well most of us are on Horizon code around 5 months | 19:57 |
lifeless | lsmola_: sure, so well integrated already one hopes :) | 19:57 |
lifeless | so there seems definite consensus here on moving the UI under the horizon programme | 19:57 |
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lifeless | will someone take point on coordinating that? | 19:58 |
lsmola_ | lifeless, we will see after the Horizon meeting | 19:58 |
lifeless | lsmola_: Ok, but I'd like to have a contact person | 19:58 |
lsmola_ | lifeless, seems like david-lyle has to decide :-) | 19:58 |
lifeless | lsmola_: contingent on the Horizon folk also wanting this. | 19:58 |
lsmola_ | lifeless, ok I volunteer if nobody else wants it | 19:59 |
lifeless | I'd like to be able to say - talk to <foo> about the mechanics for making this happen, they are going to do the work | 19:59 |
lifeless | 20s for someone else to volunteer1 | 19:59 |
jomara | lsmola_: you've got it@! | 20:00 |
lsmola_ | excellent | 20:00 |
jtomasek | I can split the work with lsmola if it's too much for him:) | 20:00 |
lifeless | #action lsmola_ to be executor for tuskar-UI->horizon move (if Horizon agrees) | 20:00 |
lsmola_ | lifeless, I am good at delegating :-) | 20:00 |
lifeless | #topic open discussion | 20:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 20:00 | |
lifeless | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
lifeless | done :) | 20:00 |
openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 10 20:00:42 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2013/tripleo.2013-12-10-19.00.html | 20:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2013/tripleo.2013-12-10-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2013/tripleo.2013-12-10-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
lifeless | Very short open discussion :) | 20:00 |
lsmola_ | hehe | 20:01 |
marios | 'night tripleo :) | 20:01 |
tzumainn | lifeless, is there a way we can expedite the tuskar requirements discussion? | 20:01 |
jtomasek | but it was there:) | 20:01 |
lsmola_ | thanks guys, have a good night | 20:01 |
tzumainn | whoops, I missed the cutoff :P | 20:01 |
lifeless | tzumainn: I think we're making good progress on the list | 20:01 |
jcoufal | c'ya guys ;) | 20:01 |
jistr | night | 20:01 |
lifeless | tzumainn: and I have my weekly catchup with jarda on friday | 20:01 |
jcoufal | tzumainn: I think list os ok for now | 20:01 |
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tzumainn | jcoufal, lifeless, can I be involved with that catchup? | 20:02 |
tzumainn | if it's not UX specific? | 20:02 |
lifeless | tzumainn: fine by me; it's mainly to ensure that UX is getting enough PTL bandwidth | 20:02 |
lifeless | tzumainn: so we talk wireframes, use cases, etc | 20:03 |
tzumainn | lifeless, fair enough, but if there are requirements discussions that go on, I wouldn't mind being part of that | 20:03 |
lifeless | tzumainn: UX and requirements are hand in hand really ;) | 20:03 |
tzumainn | lifeless, I agree, which is why I would want to be part of the discussion :) | 20:03 |
lifeless | jcoufal: your call; your meeting :) | 20:04 |
tzumainn | it's. . . odd to me that we're developing the UI without settling on the requirements | 20:04 |
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jcoufal | tzumainn: yeah we are talking mostly wireframes, use cases | 20:04 |
jcoufal | it's fine by me | 20:04 |
jcoufal | just want to keep those meetings really focused not in large groups | 20:05 |
tzumainn | jcoufal, cool, can you forward me the invite? I assume it's at an odd US hour, but I'll try and make it work | 20:05 |
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tzumainn | jcoufal, I promise to stay mostly quiet | 20:05 |
jcoufal | haha, that's not my concern :) | 20:05 |
jcoufal | np there | 20:05 |
jcoufal | anyway the mailing list discussion is going great | 20:05 |
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jcoufal | tzumainn: will forward the meeting for you | 20:06 |
jcoufal | we shouldn't spam this channel though :) | 20:06 |
tzumainn | sure, looking forward to the invite | 20:06 |
jcoufal | \o | 20:07 |
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