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| colinmcnamara | hello sarob: | 17:01 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting training-manuals | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 30 17:01:16 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' | 17:01 |
| sarob | I have news on publishing | 17:01 |
| sarob | Whatcha you got? | 17:02 |
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| colinmcnamara | well | 17:03 |
| colinmcnamara | either being productive or not productive | 17:03 |
| colinmcnamara | but it may be relevant to training-guides | 17:03 |
| colinmcnamara | you go first | 17:03 |
| sarob | Sure | 17:03 |
| sarob | #topic publishing | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "publishing (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 17:04 | |
| sarob | I worked out the plan | 17:04 |
| sarob | We will keep a single repo location, | 17:05 |
| sarob | Rather branch of master | 17:05 |
| sarob | Publish to http via docs.openstack.org/training-guides | 17:06 |
| sarob | I'll add a redirect for training as well | 17:06 |
| sarob | Andreas should have the yaml files updated today | 17:07 |
| colinmcnamara | cool | 17:07 |
| sarob | For the FTP moves | 17:07 |
| colinmcnamara | the publishing job in the CI system? | 17:08 |
| sarob | I'll update the index, redirect, | 17:08 |
| sarob | Right | 17:08 |
| sarob | #topic quizzes | 17:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "quizzes (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 17:09 | |
| sarob | I'll finish the patch with Ed's quiz questions | 17:10 |
| sarob | Today | 17:10 |
| sarob | Dguitarbyte here? | 17:10 |
| colinmcnamara | k | 17:10 |
| sarob | #action sarob publish ehorley quiz questions today | 17:11 |
| sarob | #action dguitarbyte needs to update us on moodle hosting design | 17:12 |
| sarob | Anything else? | 17:12 |
| sarob | #topic active contributors | 17:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "active contributors (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 17:13 | |
| colinmcnamara | yeah | 17:13 |
| colinmcnamara | so, I have to say. If I never see a bug in docbooks xml again I'll be happy | 17:13 |
| colinmcnamara | so, over this weekend | 17:13 |
| sarob | I'd like to post the monthly active contributors to help promote | 17:13 |
| colinmcnamara | agreed | 17:14 |
| colinmcnamara | so, I've been working on something | 17:14 |
| colinmcnamara | that addresses a few issues | 17:14 |
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| sarob | Cool | 17:14 |
| colinmcnamara | 1. without oxygen, really can't write for training-guides | 17:14 |
| colinmcnamara | 2. docbooks xml is a pain in the but, even with oxygen | 17:14 |
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| colinmcnamara | 3. still have to integrated with the openstack -docs toolchain | 17:14 |
| sarob | Sure | 17:14 |
| colinmcnamara | the background is | 17:15 |
| colinmcnamara | I signed up to write a chapter for an O'reilly book | 17:15 |
| colinmcnamara | and they are basically the king of docbooks | 17:15 |
| sarob | Cool | 17:15 |
| colinmcnamara | and then switched over to a new system instead of oxygen | 17:15 |
| colinmcnamara | to generate the docbooks xml files | 17:15 |
| sarob | I'm very interested | 17:15 |
| colinmcnamara | so, they use a toolchain similar to what the redhat jboss team (and publican if you remember the demo) | 17:16 |
| colinmcnamara | that takes a markdown format called asciidoc | 17:16 |
| sarob | Yup | 17:16 |
| colinmcnamara | which is super f'n simple | 17:16 |
| colinmcnamara | human readable | 17:16 |
| colinmcnamara | no xml | 17:16 |
| colinmcnamara | they basically have a translator that goes from docbooks to asciidoc and back again | 17:16 |
| colinmcnamara | sooo | 17:17 |
| colinmcnamara | I've been experimenting in a place where I won't rock the boat | 17:17 |
| colinmcnamara | and creating | 17:17 |
| colinmcnamara | a workflow | 17:17 |
| colinmcnamara | where you write in AsciiDOc | 17:17 |
| colinmcnamara | then mvn tranlates to docbooks | 17:18 |
| colinmcnamara | and then it fits right into the normal openstack asciidoc toolchain | 17:18 |
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| colinmcnamara | I'm doing it for OpenDaylight OVSDB. which will be used as the reference SDN controller for nuetron | 17:18 |
| colinmcnamara | basically making it so all their docs will be able to be integrated into the openstack docs | 17:18 |
| sarob | Could we develop using asciidoc, patch with xml | 17:19 |
| colinmcnamara | yup | 17:19 |
| colinmcnamara | exactly | 17:19 |
| colinmcnamara | we can lower the barrier to contribution | 17:19 |
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| colinmcnamara | as well as integrate a web (kind of like wiki) | 17:19 |
| colinmcnamara | UI | 17:19 |
| sarob | So the yaml jobs run as is | 17:19 |
| colinmcnamara | mvn runs the pom.xml | 17:19 |
| colinmcnamara | multple jobs | 17:19 |
| colinmcnamara | it basically prepends the openstack mvn jobs | 17:20 |
| sarob | HTML and PDF now | 17:20 |
| colinmcnamara | yup | 17:20 |
| colinmcnamara | but, you can do more stuff | 17:20 |
| colinmcnamara | like slidey | 17:20 |
| colinmcnamara | ppt | 17:20 |
| colinmcnamara | odf | 17:20 |
| colinmcnamara | etc | 17:20 |
| colinmcnamara | so, it's WIP right now | 17:20 |
| sarob | So we would need to mod our pom? | 17:20 |
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| sarob | Or could we start with just using asciidocs like an editor? | 17:21 |
| colinmcnamara | well, first | 17:22 |
| colinmcnamara | I need to make sure the bidir workflow works with the clouddocs plugin | 17:22 |
| colinmcnamara | other projects us jdocbooks | 17:22 |
| colinmcnamara | I'm thinking this is parallel work, probably 4-6 weeks worth | 17:22 |
| colinmcnamara | but at the end | 17:22 |
| colinmcnamara | we may have a way of getting non-tech writers to contribute | 17:23 |
| colinmcnamara | as well as maybe have a solution to the dev-docs challenge | 17:23 |
| sarob | Sounds great | 17:23 |
| sarob | Sync up the work on daylight as well | 17:23 |
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| colinmcnamara | yup | 17:24 |
| colinmcnamara | exactly | 17:24 |
| Edh | hate to derail - did either of you look at the question pool I started? | 17:24 |
| colinmcnamara | since the ODL docs are going to have to fit into the Nuetron docs | 17:24 |
| colinmcnamara | morning edh: | 17:24 |
| sarob | Edh I like and I'm patching it to master this morning | 17:25 |
| sarob | You ready to make more? | 17:25 |
| sarob | Edh you keep it coming and I will add it to the repo | 17:26 |
| sarob | Edh we will have training-guides published on docs.openstack.org early this week | 17:27 |
| Edh | okay - I will work on sections as I have time - I just trying and pull directly from the text | 17:27 |
| Edh | but I want a better way to tag where I am pulling the question from | 17:27 |
| Edh | so in case the section gets updated - the question can get updated | 17:28 |
| Edh | and the answer(s) updated too | 17:28 |
| sarob | And I will get them added to the training.openstack.org | 17:28 |
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| sarob | If you file a bug on the page | 17:29 |
| sarob | The bug marks the file version | 17:29 |
| sarob | So make sure the bug filed is on the quiz page you want to update | 17:29 |
| Edh | Right, I am aware of that, just the concern is that the questions have some sort of meta data to associate them to a section | 17:30 |
| Edh | so if someone updates a section they know that a question is affected - does that make sense? | 17:30 |
| sarob | Ah right | 17:30 |
| sarob | Well, not sure how to automajikally fix that | 17:31 |
| Edh | We can crank out questions all day but they are basically out of context... | 17:31 |
| Edh | Yeah, I'm not sure either | 17:32 |
| sarob | Best right now that we as reviewer make sure before approving patches | 17:32 |
| sarob | That the quiz questions get patched at the same time | 17:32 |
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| sarob | And tests | 17:33 |
| sarob | So basically Colin and I will enforce for now | 17:34 |
| Edh | Fair enough - I also am not sure if the question and answer method I am using is appropriate for the level | 17:34 |
| Edh | I am using choose all that apply | 17:34 |
| Edh | and true and false | 17:34 |
| sarob | It's good with me. Until someone comes up with something better. | 17:35 |
| sarob | Help is help | 17:35 |
| colinmcnamara | it's really awesome | 17:35 |
| sarob | Spectacular maybe but not awesome | 17:36 |
| colinmcnamara | lol | 17:36 |
| sarob | Don't want to give edh a big head | 17:36 |
| sarob | I'm tapped out of new stuff | 17:37 |
| sarob | Any more news or info? | 17:37 |
| Edh | lol - okay - I need to run - conference call - later | 17:37 |
| colinmcnamara | i'm good. | 17:37 |
| sarob | Righto | 17:37 |
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| sarob | Sweet | 17:38 |
| sarob | Thanks for joining guys | 17:38 |
| sarob | Happy new yearish | 17:38 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 17:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:39 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 30 17:39:01 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-12-30-17.01.html | 17:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-12-30-17.01.txt | 17:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-12-30-17.01.log.html | 17:39 |
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