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| irenab_ | baoli: I'll try to add the interaction part | 13:37 |
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| baoli | cool | 13:37 |
| baoli | I thought that I described it in the original google doc | 13:38 |
| ijw | ok.robert, we can write up the nova part that gets us to the compute server point. | 13:38 |
| ijw | i think weve all descrived it at least once. ;) actually we generally seem to have the same mental picture. | 13:38 |
| baoli | Somehow, I missed those emails on hte openstack alias. So I need to catch up a little bit on that. | 13:38 |
| irenab_ | baoli: prefer to see it in code :-) | 13:39 |
| baoli | Irenab, let me try to make some change in my code and share it with you guys | 13:40 |
| irenab_ | baoli: thanks | 13:40 |
| irenab_ | so how do we want to continue? | 13:42 |
| irenab_ | I will progress with neutron part according to the doc, ok? | 13:43 |
| ijw | irenab_: maybe you fix your doc up and talk to bob? ill talk to yongli and yunhong amd robert can get his code up. | 13:43 |
| baoli | I just briefly went over John's email, and basically it's a recap of our last meeting discussion | 13:43 |
| irenab_ | ijw: agree | 13:44 |
| heyongli | ijw,+1 | 13:44 |
| ijw | baoli: you good with that? | 13:44 |
| ijw | heyongli: can you chrvk the email where yunhong and i agreed and see what you think? | 13:45 |
| ijw | i think its close to some of your patches but the precise format of the compute node config could use a reformat so that its clear which are matching expressions and which are extra info. | 13:45 |
| heyongli | ijw, sure, and i want to sync up with yunhong about some design consideration | 13:45 |
| ijw | ok, make sure you reflect anything you agree on the ml | 13:46 |
| heyongli | sure | 13:46 |
| ijw | now, someone at this point usually finds the enormous problem we forgot about. what is it today? ;) | 13:46 |
| baoli | Let's go through the use cases | 13:47 |
| irenab_ | I have some question on --nic and scheduling | 13:47 |
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| baoli | Irenab, you want to start? | 13:47 |
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| irenab_ | I am a little bit confused if we OK not using flavor for networking? | 13:47 |
| heyongli | irenab_, the discuss on mail is so long, i kind of confused also sorry for this, | 13:48 |
| ijw | irenab: seems like we are for now at least. we will use pci flavor in the nic args and not put it in the flavor. i think we may come back to that but what we do now will work and it's changeable in the future. | 13:48 |
| baoli | I'm actually confused with that as well. | 13:48 |
| irenab_ | how --nic PCI request (group/flavor) will be taken into scheduling concerns? | 13:48 |
| ijw | (i assume this is flavor, not pci flavor) | 13:49 |
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| baoli | Irenab, it will be clear once I post my patch | 13:49 |
| ijw | irenab_, im assuming that we count the number of --nic devices we need and pass that to the scheduler as well as the flavor. | 13:49 |
| heyongli | baoli: what's your patch about? | 13:49 |
| baoli | And it's described in the google doc | 13:49 |
| ijw | baoli, is that how you do it? | 13:50 |
| baoli | Heyongli, it's about how to use your existing PCI passthrough to do SRIOV | 13:50 |
| heyongli | baoli, cool, let's see the patch | 13:50 |
| baoli | All our discussion so far is to expand the ideas we have discussed so far. But | 13:50 |
| baoli | We don't seem to agree on how to proceed | 13:51 |
| irenab_ | fine, just wanted to be sure we do not need VM flavor to include the PCI request info, I think ijw proposed it | 13:51 |
| baoli | Irenab, can we discuss your use cases now? | 13:51 |
| ijw | yeah - no one else likes that so id given up on it. | 13:51 |
| irenab_ | ijw: good :-) | 13:51 |
| irenab_ | so we are back to use cases? | 13:52 |
| baoli | Yes | 13:52 |
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| irenab_ | so we have tenant and admin use cases | 13:52 |
| ijw | tenant is easy enough, there is just the general passthrough case (via flavor) and the specific to neutron (via --nic) | 13:53 |
| irenab_ | ijw: agree | 13:54 |
| ijw | nic attachment can vary but i think we have made that the responsibility of neutron's driver and then we make sure there are enough vif types in nova to support it. | 13:54 |
| heyongli | ijw: i think every on agree on this? | 13:54 |
| ijw | snd the two we care about are passthrough and macvtap for now, and we will have additional options for setting the encap. | 13:55 |
| irenab_ | ijw: we may want to go with John suggestion on more logical naming (Fast, Slow,..) | 13:56 |
| ijw | the one that worries me is where we have a nic that can only connect to one network (a provider network) because that would need appropriate scheduling. but i would make that a pci group / flavor of uts own and avoid neutron completely in that case, but its not a great solution. | 13:56 |
| ijw | i think fast/slow now falls out of the pci flavor labels the admin chooses. | 13:56 |
| irenab_ | if we consider both cisco and mellanox segments in same OpenStack, we may need cisco_fast, mlnx_fast | 13:56 |
| ijw | so if they want to have 1g and 10g nics they can make sure that the user visible flavors have that | 13:57 |
| heyongli | ijw: the provider network should be some property of pci device(likely the PF) | 13:57 |
| irenab_ | ijw: sounds good | 13:57 |
| baoli | Not sure why we go away from the standards defined names. is it more intuitive to the users? | 13:58 |
| ijw | so you do still get to choose you group of nic devices from which you want one, but the admin sets them up and, to an extent, can change them in a cluster (that is group versus flavor again) | 13:58 |
| ijw | standards defined? | 13:58 |
| ijw | i think the aim here was that a cloud admin gets to select what they are offering. maybe i want to offer a nic by brand, maybe i just offer a 10g nic without distinguishing brand | 13:59 |
| baoli | virtio, sriov, macvtap | 13:59 |
| ijw | ah - that is a different setting imo, that is the kind of attachment | 13:59 |
| baoli | Would the user care about brand in the case of SRIOV? | 13:59 |
| ijw | also virtio is a horrible name... | 13:59 |
| ijw | might do. they might not have all the drivers in their vm | 14:00 |
| baoli | fast/slow make me think about qos | 14:00 |
| baoli | they are not related to the technology. | 14:01 |
| irenab_ | baoli: I need to get into details of neutron side to see if there is enought info to decide on what encap to set on device based on PCI device info | 14:01 |
| irenab_ | I assume that initially vendor/product ids should be enough | 14:01 |
| ijw | yeah. but in groups pr flavors that 'which nic device type' argument has always been admin selected, they can call it fast slow if they want or anything else. i think we are covered for that use case equally with the other one where you have a finer distinction. just that that argument at the moment is separate from the one that describes attachment type. | 14:01 |
| ijw | irenab_, i think that will, to some extent, depend on the mechanismdriver in place. | 14:02 |
| baoli | Irenab, yea, vendor_id and product_id should help | 14:02 |
| ijw | cos you can use intel cards in a vlan env but not easily in a vxlan one, for instance. | 14:02 |
| ijw | so yes, some will work and some wont. neutron has to be at least a little wise to that. | 14:03 |
| baoli | Shall I end the meeting to save the log now? | 14:03 |
| ijw | top of the hour. have we solved the wold's problems? | 14:03 |
| irenab_ | ijw: OK. I'll continue with neutron doc, talk to rkukura and then will try to verify with all | 14:04 |
| irenab_ | do we have meeting tomorrow? | 14:04 |
| ijw | i shall fix my laptop and then write up that doc | 14:04 |
| ijw | +1 to tomorrow | 14:04 |
| irenab_ | same time? | 14:04 |
| heyongli | +1 | 14:04 |
| baoli | Sure let's continue tomorrow | 14:05 |
| baoli | #endmeeting | 14:05 |
| sadasu | +1, I will get a chance to go through ijw's email proposal by then | 14:05 |
| sadasu | thanks! | 14:05 |
| baoli | Don't know why #startmeeting, #endmeeting don't work for me any more | 14:05 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting training-manuals | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 13 17:01:54 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' | 17:01 |
| colinmcn_ | morning | 17:02 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob,colinmcnamara hello | 17:02 |
| dguitarbite | morning | 17:02 |
| sarob | morning | 17:02 |
| colinmcn_ | morning :) | 17:02 |
| sarob | #topic action items from last meeting | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 17:03 | |
| sarob | #info active contributors | 17:03 |
| sarob | #info sarob is going to check out using stackalytics for inclusion into the the guides | 17:04 |
| sarob | no update from me, still pending | 17:04 |
| sarob | #info sarob will send out irc meeting rundown to openstack-docs | 17:05 |
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| sarob | #info quiz dump into https://docs.google.com/a/yahoo-inc.com/document/d/1w7XhcJzdZi_DMT4eenA9rBY7n3uPieCzIfllaQZkXag/edit?usp=sharing | 17:06 |
| dguitarbite | as you see I have put some basic info as per my observations | 17:07 |
| sarob | dguitarbite give us a quick run down | 17:07 |
| dguitarbite | the GDoc has been filled by me as requested, I have also deployed Moodle for testing purposes, you may find moodle here .. http://os-trainingquiz.aptira.com/ | 17:07 |
| dguitarbite | I am sending you the required login credentials via email. | 17:07 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: i see | 17:07 |
| dguitarbite | check your email for login, we can do some testing on Moodle till we are sure about how to use it exactly | 17:08 |
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| sarob | dguitarbite: implementation details | 17:08 |
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| dguitarbite | ok, about 1GB Ram, 2 VCPUs and 50GB Hdd space should provide at least 50 concurrent users for one course | 17:08 |
| sarob | cool | 17:09 |
| dguitarbite | we need to scale the hard drive space as per the storage requirements | 17:09 |
| sarob | idea on how to move the quiz questions to moodle? | 17:09 |
| dguitarbite | yes, we can create a course, design selected forms and ask the contributors to submit them, the course admin (we need to come up with some names here) will accept or reject it | 17:10 |
| dguitarbite | I dont know how to integrate this with gerrit based system but we can find some hooks | 17:11 |
| dguitarbite | *ask the contributors to fill and submit forms | 17:11 |
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| sarob | Implementation steps/details, Using openstack.org and/or launchpad auth, Migrating training-guides quizzes to Moodle, Tracking Moodle user results: | 17:13 |
| sarob | these four things would allow us to start using moodle i think | 17:14 |
| dguitarbite | Tracking Moodle User Results is as simple as installing Analytics plugin | 17:14 |
| colinmcn_ | thats pretty awesome | 17:15 |
| sarob | cool, can you explain in the gdoc how that gets installed/added? | 17:15 |
| dguitarbite | we can see if Moodle can use the same DB for Login -- so easy to login via OpenStack.org | 17:15 |
| sarob | we need to get this to a wiki howto | 17:15 |
| sarob | very simple and to the point | 17:15 |
| sarob | then we could hand off to infra | 17:16 |
| dguitarbite | yea, let me look into the login system and migration of existing quizzes | 17:16 |
| sarob | we should plan on handing off to infra as quickly as possible | 17:16 |
| dguitarbite | yes | 17:16 |
| sarob | awesome | 17:17 |
| dguitarbite | as of installing modules its similar to wordpress/ other PHP based CMS | 17:17 |
| sarob | #action dguitarbite continue to work on gdoc https://docs.google.com/a/yahoo-inc.com/document/d/1w7XhcJzdZi_DMT4eenA9rBY7n3uPieCzIfllaQZkXag/edit?usp=sharing | 17:17 |
| dguitarbite | so its a bit of infra work | 17:17 |
| dguitarbite | *infrastructure related | 17:18 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: goal of infra handoff by 01feb? | 17:18 |
| sarob | two weeks? | 17:18 |
| dguitarbite | just a second let me check my cal | 17:18 |
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| dguitarbite | can we make it 8th? I am travelling from 20th Jan for a week | 17:19 |
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| dguitarbite | *8th Fev | 17:19 |
| dguitarbite | *Feb | 17:19 |
| sarob | roger that | 17:20 |
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| sarob | #action dguitarbite moodle handoff readiness 08feb2014 | 17:20 |
| sarob | #info quiz questions/answers | 17:21 |
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| sarob | i have one outstanding quiz bug to review | 17:22 |
| sarob | who else can we encourage to summit quiz bugs? | 17:23 |
| colinmcn_ | my opinion | 17:24 |
| colinmcn_ | is that when we start giving alpha's | 17:24 |
| colinmcn_ | or | 17:24 |
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| colinmcn_ | maybe that is an action item for meetup groups | 17:24 |
| colinmcn_ | that could be something short and actionable | 17:24 |
| colinmcn_ | that we can get out through the community | 17:24 |
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| sarob | i like that | 17:25 |
| sarob | colinmcn_ ideas on how we could do that? | 17:26 |
| colinmcn_ | I can also encourage the various community members that blog | 17:26 |
| colinmcn_ | to write up articles | 17:26 |
| colinmcn_ | in a perfect world | 17:26 |
| colinmcn_ | we contact the key members through the community list | 17:26 |
| colinmcn_ | and then package up a 5 min deck | 17:26 |
| colinmcn_ | that goes through goals and process | 17:26 |
| sarob | colinmcn_: can you write up a brief plan? | 17:26 |
| colinmcn_ | yeah | 17:26 |
| colinmcn_ | yes, I will | 17:26 |
| sarob | colinmcn_: its seems similar to what you are already working on | 17:27 |
| sarob | colinmcn_: i could use it for yahoos too | 17:27 |
| colinmcn_ | yup, short consumable | 17:27 |
| colinmcn_ | easy to deliver | 17:27 |
| colinmcn_ | basically we ask the user group members to give 5 min | 17:27 |
| colinmcn_ | or possibly record a video to play | 17:27 |
| colinmcn_ | or both | 17:27 |
| sarob | #action colinmcnamara training guides contribution how to for user groups and corporate | 17:28 |
| dguitarbite | is it like a survey asking for quiz questions ? | 17:28 |
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| sarob | dguitarbite i need feedback from sina on how the aptira training guides experience is going | 17:29 |
| sarob | can you ping him to reach out to me? | 17:30 |
| dguitarbite | yep, sure | 17:30 |
| dguitarbite | do you want his Skype Contact? | 17:30 |
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| sarob | sure, how about you send an email to both of us with contact info and what we need | 17:31 |
| dguitarbite | sounds good | 17:31 |
| sarob | #action dguitarbite email sina and sarob on commercial training guides experience so far | 17:31 |
| sarob | colinmcn_ what was the dudes name that just published at the summit? | 17:32 |
| colinmcn_ | ? | 17:32 |
| colinmcn_ | that dudes name that just published | 17:33 |
| colinmcn_ | cody banks? | 17:33 |
| sarob | righto | 17:33 |
| colinmcn_ | err cody bunch | 17:33 |
| sarob | hah, right | 17:33 |
| colinmcn_ | the racker who wrote a book | 17:33 |
| sarob | yeah, brainfart | 17:33 |
| colinmcn_ | it's ok. my brain is more fart then brain | 17:33 |
| sarob | time to bug him? maybe ed, you, i | 17:34 |
| sarob | lunch to strategize on guides and publishing | 17:34 |
| sarob | chew on it, we can discuss later | 17:35 |
| colinmcn_ | yeah, I think so | 17:35 |
| colinmcn_ | he is a great guy | 17:35 |
| colinmcn_ | however I think what we are seeing | 17:35 |
| colinmcn_ | is the community waiting to see something tangible to engage | 17:35 |
| colinmcn_ | people act in their self interest | 17:35 |
| colinmcn_ | it's just reality | 17:36 |
| colinmcn_ | I think what we have | 17:36 |
| colinmcn_ | is something that aligns to their self interest | 17:36 |
| colinmcn_ | an action item that I think we have to track | 17:36 |
| colinmcn_ | is how to communicate that self interest to the world | 17:36 |
| sarob | colinmcn_: id like to hear what they want to see that would link in the self interest | 17:36 |
| colinmcn_ | so, good example | 17:37 |
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| colinmcn_ | look at how @jtroyer in VMware communities incites action in the community | 17:37 |
| colinmcn_ | we can go into it for days | 17:37 |
| colinmcn_ | so, publicity | 17:37 |
| colinmcn_ | gaining knowlege | 17:37 |
| colinmcn_ | certifications | 17:38 |
| colinmcn_ | pay | 17:38 |
| colinmcn_ | social credibility (fame) | 17:38 |
| colinmcn_ | all area's of self interest that people take action around | 17:38 |
| colinmcn_ | e.g. that's why people always pile on towards the end of a successful project | 17:38 |
| sarob | colinmcn_: this kinda aligns with your action item | 17:38 |
| colinmcn_ | yup | 17:39 |
| colinmcn_ | we can't change human nature, but we sure as hell can accept it and leverage it | 17:39 |
| colinmcn_ | I think one actionable item is working with Steph to write a highlight on Dguitarbyte | 17:39 |
| colinmcn_ | show the world all the hard work, and amazing contribution that has been done | 17:39 |
| sarob | colinmcn_: i like | 17:39 |
| sarob | sounds like you have a start of a good plan then :) | 17:40 |
| colinmcn_ | :) | 17:40 |
| colinmcn_ | yup | 17:40 |
| colinmcn_ | created a card in trello | 17:40 |
| dguitarbite | im on with certificates | 17:40 |
| dguitarbite | *on board | 17:40 |
| colinmcn_ | with some checklist items | 17:40 |
| sarob | cooolo | 17:40 |
| sarob | next item | 17:40 |
| sarob | #info complete aptira content merge into training guideshttps://docs.google.com/a/yahoo-inc.com/drawings/d/1ju78O-PjkZIeSbpGkUndIohQeQy06QXseRPbCy2F6F8/edit?usp=sharing | 17:40 |
| dguitarbite | we can have wide adoption of Training Manuals with it | 17:40 |
| sarob | yup | 17:40 |
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| sarob | so we need to finish the merge up | 17:41 |
| sarob | we are about 3/4 of the way done | 17:41 |
| sarob | lets finish it | 17:41 |
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| sarob | the associate guide merge is done, lets finish whats left on the operator guide | 17:42 |
| colinmcn_ | topic change? | 17:42 |
| sarob | still old action items | 17:43 |
| colinmcn_ | k | 17:43 |
| sarob | ehh, okay, new topic | 17:43 |
| colinmcn_ | I was just sanity checking, not complaining | 17:44 |
| dguitarbite | is the basic install guide still there in manuals? | 17:44 |
| sarob | #topic complete operator guide layout, include final aptira content merge | 17:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "complete operator guide layout, include final aptira content merge (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 17:44 | |
| dguitarbite | or should I update one for Operator (Havana)? | 17:44 |
| sarob | dguitarbite basic install guide is gone | 17:45 |
| sarob | #link https://docs.google.com/a/yahoo-inc.com/drawings/d/1ju78O-PjkZIeSbpGkUndIohQeQy06QXseRPbCy2F6F8/edit?usp=sharing | 17:45 |
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| sarob | this is the december reorg plan | 17:45 |
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| sarob | associate guide is done | 17:46 |
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| sarob | operator guide layout needs some cleanup | 17:46 |
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| sarob | part of the sina conversation is how does aptira use the training guides | 17:46 |
| sarob | are they using the aptira books or the training guide books? | 17:47 |
| dguitarbite | we are using Training Guide Books | 17:47 |
| dguitarbite | all open source | 17:47 |
| sarob | should we add content switches like the install guides for commercial training use like aptira? | 17:47 |
| sarob | the training guides set has eight books right now | 17:48 |
| sarob | it should only be 5: start here, assoc, oper, dev, arch | 17:48 |
| dguitarbite | yes, we should add a basic install section (attacts more new commers) | 17:48 |
| dguitarbite | I guess for Operators it may be required | 17:49 |
| sarob | ehh? you lost me | 17:49 |
| sarob | ah, right | 17:49 |
| sarob | install labs are in operators guide | 17:49 |
| sarob | along with how to contribute docs bug fixes | 17:50 |
| sarob | and administrative tasks | 17:50 |
| dguitarbite | sarob " should we add content switches like the install guides for commercial training use like aptira? " honestly, I do not know | 17:50 |
| sarob | im assuming that aptira wants to create your own flavor of the same content plus some extra | 17:51 |
| dguitarbite | just for Associate | 17:51 |
| sarob | id like to understand how sina is using the content and his plans | 17:51 |
| dguitarbite | yes, I will ask him to get in touch with you | 17:52 |
| sarob | so we can clean up the repo and finish the operator design | 17:52 |
| dguitarbite | yeah, I think we can add some videos on install guide section if possible | 17:52 |
| sarob | #action dguitarbite sarob finalize clean up of up aptira content in repo | 17:53 |
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| sarob | #topic any other business, new items | 17:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "any other business, new items (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 17:53 | |
| colinmcn_ | I have two things | 17:54 |
| colinmcn_ | 1. I am continuing down the path of building an AsciiDoc << >> docbookbooks translation enginee | 17:54 |
| colinmcn_ | things are moving slowly, but moving | 17:54 |
| colinmcn_ | and it looks like we may be able to remove the requirement for Oxygen and XML tagging to author training docs | 17:55 |
| colinmcn_ | I'll keep everyone informed on progress | 17:55 |
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| colinmcn_ | I'm beta'ng out the process in OpenDaylight - OVSDB project | 17:55 |
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| dguitarbite | colinmcn_ awesome | 17:55 |
| colinmcn_ | all the doc work there is built to map right into the OpenStack docbooks toolchain | 17:55 |
| sarob | colinmcn_ cool | 17:56 |
| colinmcn_ | If I never have to open up Oxygen, or debug and XML build error again in my life | 17:56 |
| colinmcn_ | it will be a happy day | 17:56 |
| colinmcn_ | but still be able to author content | 17:56 |
| sarob | hmm, yes | 17:56 |
| colinmcn_ | 2nd thing | 17:56 |
| colinmcn_ | 2. item | 17:56 |
| colinmcn_ | in the 332 engineers at work | 17:56 |
| colinmcn_ | I found out that we have a tech writer | 17:56 |
| colinmcn_ | I don't know if it will get approved | 17:56 |
| colinmcn_ | but I am submitting and internal project to assign him part time to this project | 17:57 |
| sarob | wow, nice | 17:57 |
| sarob | ill get you a muffin | 17:57 |
| sarob | as thanks | 17:57 |
| colinmcn_ | the internal project approval cycle takes 90 + days | 17:57 |
| sarob | breakfast thanks theme | 17:57 |
| colinmcn_ | but, it's a resource | 17:57 |
| sarob | 3 months would be outstanding | 17:57 |
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| dguitarbite | colinmcn_ "If I never have to open up Oxygen, or debug and XML build error again in my life" -- if you implement this system, your expertise will be called upon for fixing weird situations, adding new features and more ... althought it will be more fun than editing XML ... | 17:58 |
| sarob | we can get a lot done in three months | 17:58 |
| colinmcn_ | I'm also putting into to take one of our ASE's (associate systems engineers) and apply them as an intern | 17:58 |
| colinmcn_ | again, I have to fight internal process and budgets. But I thought I would share | 17:58 |
| colinmcn_ | dguitarbite: basically we have david kramer | 17:59 |
| colinmcn_ | as the one guy who can fix all things docbooks | 17:59 |
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| colinmcn_ | I feel that random build errors | 17:59 |
| dguitarbite | kool | 17:59 |
| colinmcn_ | are bugs in the system | 17:59 |
| colinmcn_ | shouldn't be there for a content contributor to deal with every day | 17:59 |
| colinmcn_ | my 2 cents | 17:59 |
| colinmcn_ | that's what I have to share | 17:59 |
| sarob | excellent | 18:00 |
| sarob | anything else? | 18:00 |
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| colinmcn_ | i'm good | 18:01 |
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| sarob | lets close up | 18:02 |
| colinmcn_ | agreed | 18:02 |
| dguitarbite | yep (yawn) | 18:02 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 13 18:02:56 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-01-13-17.01.html | 18:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-01-13-17.01.txt | 18:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-01-13-17.01.log.html | 18:03 |
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