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| ijw | #startmeeting pci_passthrough | 13:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 20 13:02:10 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ijw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: pci_passthrough)" | 13:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:02 |
| ijw | Hope that name is right... | 13:02 |
| ijw | Who's about? I know Robert's skiving and I imagine yongli is too | 13:02 |
| irenab | hi | 13:03 |
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| ijw | Well then, this will be a short meeting | 13:03 |
| ijw | #topic Provider networks | 13:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Provider networks (Meeting topic: pci_passthrough)" | 13:04 | |
| ijw | So the issue we've been discussing is that provider networks in particular are usually on separate trunk networks to internal networks. I think that in ML2 the issue might potentially be more general than that. | 13:04 |
| ijw | So you have to pick a card attached to the right trunk in order to be able to connect to the network. | 13:05 |
| irenab | ijw: yes. What do you mean by trunk? | 13:05 |
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| ijw | Well, in the VLAN case it's the physical network you're attached to, without VLANs | 13:05 |
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| ijw | So you could have two provider networks that are completely isolated from each other, and a number of Neutron networks set up on those networks with different segmentation IDs | 13:06 |
| irenab | ijw: so in neutron languafe is a phy network label | 13:06 |
| ijw | Yup | 13:06 |
| ijw | In ML2 I think it's a segment (because it can use separate segments internally) | 13:07 |
| ijw | But I shall defer to Bob on that because I am not a master of ML2 | 13:07 |
| irenab | ijw: fine, its exactly my case. So just need a way to group PCI device s on compute node according to labels | 13:07 |
| ijw | If I wanted to connect to a Neutron network on one of those provider networks I would have to choose a port with the right physical connection or I just can't do it | 13:07 |
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| ijw | And since that's a problem of scheduling then Neutron can't solve it by itself - you have to choose the right device | 13:08 |
| irenab | I think rkukura is here | 13:08 |
| ijw | What I propose is that - initially - we just pick a device from the flavor, and if it can't be attached to the network because it's physically the wrong connection we abort the machine start. That would practically mean you would want to set up two flavors and choose the right flavor for the network. | 13:09 |
| ijw | That's obviously crap as a solution, but it means that we can implement the Neutron part and solve the other problem independently | 13:09 |
| ijw | The other half of the problem is then making sure Nova picks the right device based on the Neutron network. | 13:09 |
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| irenab | ijw: I am OK with this approach for a start | 13:10 |
| rkukura | I missed the proposal here - sorry I'm late | 13:10 |
| ijw | Hey bob | 13:10 |
| rkukura | hi | 13:10 |
| irenab | hi | 13:10 |
| irenab | ijw: want to recup? | 13:10 |
| ijw | We were just discussing how you make PCI work when you need to choose a device that's connected to the right bit of network to suit the Neutron network you want to attach to | 13:10 |
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| ijw | Step one: ignore the problem and hope someone else makes it go away. If you get an unsuitable port you refuse to start the VM | 13:11 |
| irenab | assuming ML2 and segments,.. | 13:11 |
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| ijw | Or anything else and provider networks - it's a problem with the OVS plugin too, in fact (not that I see us implementing PCI passthrough in the OVS plugin) | 13:11 |
| irenab | ijw: not sure how you know if the port is unsuitable | 13:11 |
| heyongli | ijw, i miss a little, if the device label by phy connection, why we can not attach to VM ? | 13:12 |
| ijw | Well, provider-network-wise you can find the provider network that the Neutron network is on. ML2-wise, dunno | 13:12 |
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| ijw | heyongli: if I pick Neutron network X and some network device flavor, there's no guarantee I can connect the device I get to X | 13:12 |
| ijw | As a user, I don't know (in theory) which devices are suitable - even if I have multiple flavors | 13:13 |
| irenab | ijw: if we label the device flavor with provider network label, it should be solved? | 13:13 |
| ijw | The best solution would be where I don't have to know and I just go grab a 10Gbit flavor and leave Neutron to solve the problem. | 13:13 |
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| ijw | irenab: that works better, but you can still come up with a Neutron network and a flavor in a single --nic argument that won't work together | 13:13 |
| irenab | ijw: why? | 13:14 |
| rkukura | ijw: We eventually need some way for nova scheduling to take neutron connectivity into account | 13:14 |
| heyongli | ijw, for example, if device connect to phy network X, labeled X, and flavor , we request phy-network: X, why this can not reslove this problem? | 13:14 |
| ijw | rkukura: I have a cunning plan, we'll get there in a mo ;) | 13:14 |
| ijw | I think the best solution is that (regardless of connection) you put all your 10G NICs in a single flavor and Neutron and Nova work out which specific device from that flavor to use | 13:14 |
| ijw | heyongli: that works, but you have to know that if you choose a neutron network 'thing' on phy network X - which you can't see as a user, I think, anyway - then you need to choose flavor tagged with phy-network X to make it work | 13:15 |
| irenab | ijw: I think it should be thus way, but to be realistic and have something work for current release, we can have separate flavor for each net connectivity. I think it should work | 13:15 |
| ijw | Better is if you have a set of devices connected to multiple networks (X and Y say) all in the one flavor, and the scheduler finds you a suitable device without having to do anything special | 13:16 |
| ijw | irenab: yep, that's plan A, basically, what we do to start with | 13:16 |
| ijw | Plan B would involve changing Neutron so that, at the point at the moment in nova-api where Nova checks all the networks exist, you also say 'and I need a device labelled as on segment X' | 13:16 |
| ijw | Neutron tells nova-api that and nova-api passes the information on to the scheduler. | 13:17 |
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| ijw | Plus point: without the user knowing anything special about the setup of the cloud, they will get a PCI device attached to the network | 13:17 |
| irenab | ijw: so for plan B, you suggest neutron to manage PCI devices network connectivity awarness? | 13:17 |
| ijw | Minus point: if I have a flavor with 10 devices left in it but they're all attached to network Y, I may be unable to schedule the machine | 13:17 |
| heyongli | ijw, given a example about your B plan , that's interesting | 13:18 |
| ijw | irenab: I think Neutron needs to tell Nova which segment (provider network, whatever) it needs and Nova has to check the extra-info on the devices to work out which one suits | 13:18 |
| irenab | ijw: understood | 13:19 |
| ijw | So basically Nova says 'does this network exist?' and neutron now replies 'it exists and it's on segment X'. Nova tells the scheduler 'I want a PCI device from flavor '10G' and on segment 'X' | 13:19 |
| rkukura | port binding is where ml2 figures out which segment is going to be used | 13:19 |
| ijw | rkukura: you can see from above where that wouldn't work here, we'd need the information a bit earlier | 13:19 |
| rkukura | ijw: I think you are using "segment" slightly differently than in ml2 | 13:19 |
| ijw | And segment might be the wrong term, to be honest - this is the underlying trunk | 13:20 |
| ijw | indeed | 13:20 |
| rkukura | trunk == physical_network | 13:20 |
| ijw | OK, physical_network it is | 13:20 |
| heyongli | ijw, you mean we label the device with network, but flavor does not need to set up for that. | 13:20 |
| ijw | heyongli: that's what I think we want, yes | 13:20 |
| rkukura | A virtual network (tenant or provider) can have multiple segments, on different physical_networks, but somehow bridged | 13:20 |
| heyongli | so when we tell the nova scheduler and how | 13:20 |
| ijw | heyongli: I think to be properly generic Neutron should be supplying its own list of scheduling requirements as {attr: value} | 13:21 |
| heyongli | ijw, where to inject this information? | 13:22 |
| ijw | And (and I think from the way he's spoken about it baoli doesn't like this much) we will be setting aside specific named extra-info attributes for special purposes, so we would reserve 'physical_network' say and use that consistently for this purpose in both the extra-info and in Neutron | 13:22 |
| heyongli | to nova scheduler, | 13:22 |
| ijw | nova-api would pass it on to the scheduler, and the scheduler would find matching information in extra-info, done like this | 13:22 |
| ijw | We'd use a consistent attribute name in both Neutron and in the configuration we added to nova-compute (the pci_information) | 13:23 |
| irenab | ijw: the only problem I have is that we put networking info into nova configuration, but I think its not a tragedy | 13:23 |
| ijw | In any case, plan B is up for discussion but plan A, I think, is what we should do for now - if Neutron can't attach the device it just kills the machine start | 13:24 |
| ijw | irenab: yeah - we discussed that before and it's annoying but it's not the end of the world | 13:24 |
| rkukura | ijw: Is "if Neutron can't attach the device it just kills the machine start" enforced in ml2's port binding? | 13:24 |
| ijw | I think that's best fixed by rethinking the way the pci_information is gathered at some point in the future. If you could pull it from several files or sources this would work better | 13:24 |
| ijw | rkukura: yup | 13:25 |
| heyongli | ijw, this information should be inject to VM's instance type before the scheduler does it's work, i wondering nova should do something in API stage, it's unclear to me ... | 13:25 |
| irenab | ijw: for the plan A, I do not like that it may end without resources, so probably should use PCI flavor per phy_net | 13:25 |
| ijw | heyongli: yes, that's exactly what I'm trying to describe - there's a call to neutron in the API code and we can just get the information and push it on to the instance just there | 13:25 |
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| heyongli | ijw: thank undstood. | 13:26 |
| ijw | irenab: We're agreeing, I think - we're saying that the administrator has to configure things consistently and, if the admin or the user does something that's not consistent we have a fallback plan (don't boot the VM) | 13:26 |
| heyongli | ijw: this sound a configration problem | 13:27 |
| irenab | ijw: fine with me | 13:27 |
| ijw | heyongli: for plan A, it is, absolutely - we need everything to be set up just right or things won't work. | 13:27 |
| irenab | since we have Bob here, can we discuss the --nic vnic_type? | 13:27 |
| rkukura | Even without PCI passthru, as soon as we have heterogeneous connectivity, we really need to make nova scheduling take account of connnectivity - so I do not think this is a PCI-specific issue, and the solution shouldn't be PCI-specific | 13:27 |
| ijw | For plan B then we basically solve the configuration problem for people by doing better scheduling | 13:27 |
| ijw | rkukura: indeed, and that should work - it's the same call in the same place and I think we need to work out how we can get Neutron to return information to be passed to the scheduler that isn't too Neutron-specific | 13:28 |
| heyongli | rkukura: sounds great. | 13:28 |
| ijw | As in a requirement 'I want a machine that looks like this' and not 'I want a neutron-specific thing from nova' | 13:28 |
| irenab | soud like task for next summit, if don't make it before | 13:28 |
| ijw | rkukura: how far down the line is heterogeneous network connectivity? | 13:29 |
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| ijw | Not soon, I'm thinking | 13:29 |
| rkukura | ijw: Its been a long time since I looked at the nova scheduler in detail - can it be made to call into nova to test whether connectivity is possible, or to prune a list of candidates or anything like that? | 13:29 |
| ijw | And in fact if someone doesn't configure a provider network on one compute node presumably we get the same failure right now... | 13:29 |
| ijw | It prunes candidates and it's really best if it's operating on static-ish information, so sources of information about the compute nodes and a requirement from the API | 13:30 |
| ijw | I think callouts would be wrong - it tries to build and use a data model and the compute nodes generally try and keep that model current. In your case I think the neutron agents would be supplying more information to its model. | 13:30 |
| irenab | ijw: there is probably the assumption on homogenous environment, but with ML2 it is changing .. | 13:30 |
| ijw | And it's also allowed to be wrong - in the case the information is slightly out of date it reschedules | 13:31 |
| rkukura | ijw: OK, so static-ish but not static? | 13:31 |
| ijw | Yeah - periodic updates are favoured. You don't call to discover the info, you have it to hand and the backend keeps it current | 13:31 |
| ijw | I'm not in the current scheduler rewrite discussions but I don't think anyone was planning on changing that aspect of it | 13:32 |
| rkukura | the assumption has been that connectivity is homogeneous, but we've basically been saying that right now, if you need heterogeneous connectivity, you are on your own to configure some nova feature such as flavors/cells/... to match | 13:32 |
| ijw | Also you can add plugins (filters, really) so adding one that reads more information and excludes machines is exactly the right model | 13:32 |
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| ijw | rkukura: yes, so that model and this one are exactly the same - the 'make the flavors right' plan A here is exactly what you're recommending right now, too | 13:33 |
| rkukura | ijw: Filters calling into neutron was what I was originally thinking might work | 13:33 |
| ijw | rkukura: I think 'neutron updates a table of machine information in all the schedulers with a cast, then a filter acts on that information' is the model you'll end up with | 13:34 |
| irenab | ijw: I think filter calliing into neutron will take more efforts to implement | 13:34 |
| ijw | 'table' != DB table here | 13:34 |
| ijw | It's nto really the right model anyway, there can be multiple schedulers which is why the information broadcast is favoured | 13:34 |
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| ijw | So, are we good with the A/B approach? | 13:35 |
| heyongli | ijw: for plan A, we label the device with phy connectivity and put it to flavor, and for neutron network configuration, use irenab's rename approach? | 13:35 |
| rkukura | ijw: I think we could get the info to the filters, but what about have the scheduler reserve an actual resource? | 13:35 |
| heyongli | ijw: i'm ok with it. | 13:35 |
| irenab | ijw: what you suggest is that neutron agent will be required to gather local machine PCI devices connectivity info, propagate to neutron server and server will update the scheduler? | 13:35 |
| ijw | rkukura: it already has stuff for that - you have a resource type and counts, it prereserves till the next update | 13:35 |
| ijw | irenab: no, for Bob's case where he's talking about provider network bridges I think the neutron agent would be reporting - for our case I think we would report it from nova-compute at least for now | 13:36 |
| irenab | ijw: I meant for plan B | 13:37 |
| rkukura | ijw: Right now, neutron L2 agents report their connectivity to neutron-server via the agents_db RPC | 13:37 |
| ijw | For plan B too, I would just use an attribute | 13:37 |
| rkukura | Any ml2 port binding uses this info | 13:37 |
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| ijw | rkukura: ok - then maybe neutron-server should cast it | 13:37 |
| ijw | Or maybe you should just call out. Either works. | 13:37 |
| irenab | ijw: I just think that not any vendor solution will require neutron agent | 13:38 |
| irenab | I am not sure, but think that baoli's case can manage without the agent | 13:38 |
| rkukura | Maybe the RPC should be replaced with a notification that both the neutron-server and nova-schedulers could subscribe to | 13:38 |
| ijw | irenab: yeah - this is more Bob's problem we're solving. PCI passthrough, we'll use the nova-compute config | 13:38 |
| rkukura | irenab: good point about not always having an L2 agent | 13:38 |
| irenab | rkukura: cool, I like it | 13:39 |
| rkukura | Has the creating of PCI-passthru-capable neutron networks been addressed? | 13:39 |
| ijw | So - plan A: 'we get the right device for the network we're trying to attach or we just abort'; plan B: 'we add code so that Neutron can add stuff to the scheduling request'. A now, B later - possibly in Juno | 13:40 |
| ijw | rkukura: as in tagging them as capable? | 13:40 |
| irenab | ijw: agree. We need good examples how to setup the nova and neutron conf | 13:40 |
| ijw | At the moment we're assuming they're all capable, practically speaking. | 13:40 |
| irenab | rkukura: we are talking on PCI pass-through capable ports | 13:41 |
| rkukura | As in a normal tenant specifying that they need (and are willing to pay for) this capability without having to know anything about the provider's physical topology | 13:41 |
| ijw | I can see how you might want to mark them so that Neutron provisions them accordingly, but we haven't gone there at present | 13:41 |
| ijw | rkukura: seems like a thing we could implement independently | 13:41 |
| * ijw really needs to write that capability stuff. | 13:41 | |
| rkukura | Right, so neutron picks a physical_network that is attached to PCI-passthru-capable NICs | 13:41 |
| ijw | rkukura: not discussed. Want to enter a BP? | 13:42 |
| heyongli | ijw: in plan A if we scheduler the VM to a host, it should match the requirements, so there is may not be always failed, except a competition condition happens. | 13:42 |
| irenab | rkukura: not following your case, can elaborate please? | 13:42 |
| rkukura | Initially, it might make sense to require these to be provider networks, where the administrator knows which physical_network to pick | 13:42 |
| ijw | heyongli: indeed - you pick a network on provider network X and a flavor on Y and it will go wrong, and it will all be your fault | 13:43 |
| irenab | rkukura: makes sence | 13:43 |
| ijw | OK, I don't see any disagreement here, just clarifications and refinements at the moment | 13:43 |
| ijw | So, since Bob's here | 13:43 |
| ijw | #topic ML2 plugin | 13:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ML2 plugin (Meeting topic: pci_passthrough)" | 13:44 | |
| heyongli | ijw: lets do A, and B is more user friendly. | 13:44 |
| irenab | rkukura: I registered a blueprint for vnic_type request | 13:44 |
| rkukura | If PCI-passthru NICs are a very limited resource, it might make most sense to connect all of them to one physical network, and only allocate that physical_network to virtual networks that will need passthru | 13:44 |
| ijw | irenab: link? | 13:44 |
| heyongli | irenab: cool | 13:45 |
| irenab | ijw: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-request-vnic-type | 13:45 |
| ijw | rkukura: totally true and also reasonable; I think we'll do as you say, we'll just implement it later | 13:45 |
| ijw | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-request-vnic-type | 13:45 |
| ijw | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-request-vnic-type Irena's blueprint | 13:45 |
| rkukura | The terms "plan A" and "plan B" imply either/or - I think you want something more like "phase 1" and "phase 2" | 13:45 |
| ijw | Screw you, meetingbot | 13:45 |
| ijw | Fair. The mailing list email is 1/2 | 13:46 |
| irenab | for ML2 mech drivers, we going with cisco and mellanox as separate Mech. Drivers | 13:46 |
| rkukura | So who sets vnic_type on a port? | 13:46 |
| ijw | It's set via the nova boot api | 13:47 |
| ijw | (and therefore cli) | 13:47 |
| ijw | --nic net-id=xxx,pci-flavor=yyy,vnic-type=macvtap | 13:47 |
| irenab | on nova bott command as part of --nic option (we should extend) on on neutron port-create | 13:47 |
| irenab | vnic-type can be macvtap/pci direct/virtio | 13:47 |
| irenab | name can be more logical | 13:48 |
| irenab | Fast/Slow/... | 13:48 |
| rkukura | So does nova interpret this --nic and pass the vnic_type to the port_create or port_update along with host_id? | 13:48 |
| irenab | rkukura: yes | 13:48 |
| irenab | will do so | 13:48 |
| ijw | I would just go with macvtap (needs a PCI flavor, pci passthrough (ditto) and absent for a vnic, right now | 13:48 |
| irenab | ijw: default = vnic | 13:48 |
| irenab | rkukura: can you please take a look and approve this blueprint? | 13:49 |
| rkukura | Is it considered desirable for the user to pick between these vnic_types explicitly? | 13:49 |
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| rkukura | vs. just saying they need low-latency high-bandwidth option | 13:50 |
| ijw | yes- firstly the device drivers change dramatically for passthrough and second you can't migrate with macvtap (which some people may care about) | 13:50 |
| irenab | on nova boot api it makes sense to go with later, but I think for neutron it can be explicit | 13:50 |
| rkukura | Might also not get security groups, right? | 13:51 |
| irenab | rkukura: yes, with PCI passthrugh its not that easy | 13:51 |
| rkukura | But I get the point that the VM has to be prepared for the vnic_type chosen, so it needs to be explicit | 13:51 |
| irenab | for pci passthrough VM image must have vendor drivers | 13:52 |
| rkukura | OK, so having nova interpret --nic option and set binding:vnic_type seems reasonable | 13:52 |
| ijw | rkukura: I'm sure secgroups and antispoof will be a nightmare at some point, yes... | 13:53 |
| irenab | sorry, I have to leave now. I'll try to chat in few hours on IRC | 13:53 |
| irenab | bye | 13:53 |
| rkukura | OK, so ml2 MechanismDrivers can then look at the binding:vnic_type, but what would they do with it? | 13:54 |
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| heyongli | so for nova part we are get some agreement, so i going to update my bp, and i hope ijw can review it. | 13:56 |
| heyongli | seem time is up soon. | 13:56 |
| ijw | Please, yes - mail me at my Cisco address if you want me to spot it ;) | 13:56 |
| ijw | One othe thing | 13:56 |
| ijw | #topic Xen | 13:56 |
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| ijw | Apparently the Xen guys (I've just been talking on another chat) have been implementing the PCI passthrough as it stands | 13:57 |
| BobBall | *cough* Sorry 'bout that! Not quite ready for external review - but we have patches up and are doing internal reviews with a few guys :) | 13:57 |
| ijw | So, what I suggest is we try and get heyongli's compute changes agreed and coded sharpish (obviously we're going to miss I-2 but we get quiet time afterward) so that we can show them and get them to change their implmenentation in step | 13:57 |
| ijw | Bad Bob. | 13:58 |
| BobBall | we were aiming for I-2 but figured it'll slip a little so now were aiming for early I-3 | 13:58 |
| BobBall | yeah, we're very happy to update the impl as needed | 13:58 |
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| ijw | BobBall: the changes are that we don't (just) group by device and vendor any more, we can provide extra parameters in the config and group by them as well (per an externally defined list of 'significant' attributes) | 13:58 |
| ijw | The discovery ought to be pretty similar, I think | 13:59 |
| ijw | heyongli is your guy | 13:59 |
| BobBall | Ah, great. | 13:59 |
| ijw | Top of the hour. Any more for any more? | 13:59 |
| ijw | #action heyongli to update BP, ijw to review | 13:59 |
| ijw | #action Annoy BobBall with superfluous changes to Xen | 13:59 |
| heyongli | bob, talk me any time. | 13:59 |
| ijw | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 20 14:00:03 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-01-20-13.02.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-01-20-13.02.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-01-20-13.02.log.html | 14:00 |
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| BobBall | thanks heyongli | 14:00 |
| heyongli | bobball, i had to sleep, see you later. bye | 14:01 |
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| BobBall | night! | 14:02 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting training-manuals | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 20 17:00:46 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' | 17:00 |
| sarob | #help | 17:01 |
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| sarob | #topic moodle | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "moodle (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 17:02 | |
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| sarob | morning/evening dude | 17:02 |
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| sarob | dguitarbite: ping | 17:02 |
| * sarob drumming fingers | 17:03 | |
| * sarob drumming head | 17:04 | |
| smemon92 | sarob,hello | 17:04 |
| sarob | dguitarbite__ | 17:04 |
| smemon92 | morning | 17:04 |
| sarob | hello | 17:04 |
| dguitarbite__ | hello | 17:04 |
| sarob | hello | 17:05 |
| sarob | lets talk moodle | 17:05 |
| dguitarbite__ | we have hosted few sample questions for your reference | 17:05 |
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| sarob | sweeeet | 17:05 |
| sarob | wheres it at | 17:06 |
| dguitarbite__ | salman is working on making it very easy to for people to contribute | 17:06 |
| dguitarbite__ | http://os-trainingquiz.aptira.com | 17:06 |
| sarob | looking | 17:06 |
| dguitarbite__ | its a bit slow as its testing server | 17:06 |
| * sarob thinking | 17:06 | |
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| dguitarbite__ | sarob: smemon92 is working with me on Moodle App | 17:09 |
| sarob | cool | 17:09 |
| dguitarbite__ | he is intern at Aptira | 17:09 |
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| sarob | so the buildout instructions | 17:10 |
| sarob | you have notes? | 17:10 |
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| dguitarbite__ | sarob: did you login? | 17:12 |
| dguitarbite__ | I have sent login credentials via email | 17:13 |
| dguitarbite__ | last monday | 17:13 |
| sarob | trying, i waiting on the new account email | 17:13 |
| sarob | oh | 17:13 |
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| colinmcnamara | sorry guys. brainfart | 17:13 |
| dguitarbite__ | for some reason the email goes into spam | 17:13 |
| dguitarbite__ | I guess this domain is not recognized for now | 17:13 |
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| dguitarbite__ | but for admin access I suggest you to use the one I sent, so that you get to experience how to host quiz | 17:14 |
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| sarob | ill have to look further, but this looks exactly like what we need | 17:15 |
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| sarob | im thinking beyond | 17:15 |
| sarob | our testing needs | 17:16 |
| sarob | this is good | 17:16 |
| dguitarbite__ | we could add a few more modules | 17:16 |
| sarob | so the build instructions | 17:16 |
| dguitarbite__ | re-design the UI, change theme | 17:16 |
| sarob | easy? | 17:16 |
| dguitarbite__ | yep, easy | 17:16 |
| sarob | can you write that up in https://docs.google.com/a/yahoo-inc.com/document/d/1w7XhcJzdZi_DMT4eenA9rBY7n3uPieCzIfllaQZkXag/edit?usp=sharing | 17:17 |
| dguitarbite__ | but I run Arch Linux and Gentoo (so I dont know if you like my easy!) | 17:17 |
| sarob | so we can prep to discuss with oss infra | 17:17 |
| dguitarbite__ | yep, looking forward to porting this to Infra | 17:18 |
| sarob | i want to have lots of info on what they will have to do | 17:18 |
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| dguitarbite__ | ok, can we have a list of expected features? because for installing new modules (for features) we will have to tweak infra every time | 17:19 |
| sarob | install, restarting process, where does data get stored, who to contact when is goes grey | 17:19 |
| sarob | we are going to be partnering with infra | 17:19 |
| sarob | so we need to explain as much as possible | 17:20 |
| sarob | and be ready to answer as many questions as possible | 17:20 |
| dguitarbite__ | how much expected time? I guess we decided before 10th Feb | 17:20 |
| sarob | this could become the official testing thingy | 17:20 |
| sarob | so lets do our homework | 17:21 |
| dguitarbite__ | ok | 17:21 |
| sarob | yup 08 feb | 17:21 |
| sarob | week of | 17:21 |
| sarob | we should start thinking about the summit next | 17:21 |
| dguitarbite__ | yes, but I want to finish this by next week, so that I can focus better on Install Gudie | 17:22 |
| dguitarbite__ | is that possible? | 17:22 |
| sarob | any ideas on using launchpad auth? | 17:22 |
| sarob | install guide? | 17:22 |
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| sarob | operations guide you mean? | 17:23 |
| dguitarbite__ | Havana Install Guide for Operator Training | 17:23 |
| dguitarbite__ | *operations sorry | 17:23 |
| sarob | yup, im eager to dig into that as well | 17:23 |
| sarob | #topic commercial training | 17:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "commercial training (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 17:24 | |
| sarob | so have you talked to sina? | 17:24 |
| dguitarbite__ | sarob: need to look into Launchpad Auth for once. But I'm not sure. | 17:24 |
| dguitarbite__ | sarob: yes, I forwarded your request to him, I guess he is quite busy ... we have a busy start to this year at Aptira. | 17:25 |
| sarob | we can figure some on auth | 17:25 |
| sarob | sina, busy, understood | 17:25 |
| sarob | me too | 17:25 |
| sarob | frenetic energy | 17:25 |
| dguitarbite__ | yeah, same here | 17:26 |
| sarob | #topic clean up training guides | 17:26 |
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| sarob | after we get moodle prepped, | 17:26 |
| sarob | you ready to finish the clean up? | 17:27 |
| sarob | we should have only 5 books in the set | 17:27 |
| sarob | start here, associate, operator, developer, architect | 17:27 |
| dguitarbite__ | I am going for commercial training next month, we need to do it before hand | 17:27 |
| dguitarbite__ | is that possible? | 17:28 |
| sarob | im ready | 17:28 |
| dguitarbite__ | colin ? | 17:28 |
| sarob | lets schedule a few hours and work on it together | 17:28 |
| sarob | bang it out | 17:28 |
| sarob | whats your schedule look like this week? | 17:28 |
| dguitarbite__ | I am quite free this week | 17:29 |
| dguitarbite__ | infact it overlapps with cleaning training manuals as I need to prepare and update existing manuals for Commercial Training | 17:30 |
| sarob | so aptira is going to pull from training guide repo | 17:31 |
| sarob | to build commerical version? | 17:31 |
| dguitarbite__ | just the extra part which is not yet ready in training repo | 17:31 |
| sarob | or do maven build | 17:31 |
| sarob | eh? | 17:31 |
| sarob | meaning one of the books thats not finished? | 17:32 |
| dguitarbite__ | just the Havana Installation Guide will be added which is not there in training repo | 17:32 |
| dguitarbite__ | rest all is Associate Guide | 17:32 |
| sarob | ah, well lets make it | 17:32 |
| sarob | so you can use it | 17:32 |
| sarob | then you dont need to do anything special | 17:33 |
| dguitarbite__ | I'm in, sure thing ... also it can replace basic-install. Thanks | 17:33 |
| sarob | yup | 17:33 |
| sarob | okay | 17:33 |
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| sarob | late your time tomorrow | 17:33 |
| sarob | or something else | 17:34 |
| dguitarbite__ | works for me, give me a second I will get precise time | 17:34 |
| sarob | im available 9-11am PST, 1-3pm PST tomorrow | 17:36 |
| sarob | id rather the early slot | 17:36 |
| dguitarbite__ | 16:30 (4.30pm) to 20:30 8.30pm) IST | 17:37 |
| dguitarbite__ | UTC | 17:38 |
| dguitarbite__ | 16:30 pm to 20:30 pm UTC | 17:38 |
| dguitarbite__ | I guess its about the 10:30~11 am to 2pm PST | 17:38 |
| smemon92 | ya, i will also join at 16:30 pm to 20:30 pm UTC | 17:38 |
| sarob | 5-7pm utc tuesday is good then? | 17:40 |
| dguitarbite__ | yes | 17:40 |
| sarob | cool, ill book it and invite colin | 17:40 |
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| sarob | invite anyone else that is interested | 17:41 |
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| dguitarbite__ | ok, sounds good, yes I will try to invite more contributors | 17:42 |
| sarob | #action operations guide work session 5-7pm UTC tuesday 21 jan 2014 | 17:42 |
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| sarob | #topic any other business | 17:42 |
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| sarob | okay, then | 17:43 |
| sarob | lets break early | 17:43 |
| dguitarbite__ | ok, need to get some zzz's ;) | 17:43 |
| sarob | cool, thx dude | 17:44 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 17:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:44 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 20 17:44:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-01-20-17.00.html | 17:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-01-20-17.00.txt | 17:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-01-20-17.00.log.html | 17:44 |
| dguitarbite__ | have a nice day, see ya guys tomm. By colinmcnamara,sean,smemon92 | 17:44 |
| colinmcnamara | l8ters | 17:44 |
| sarob | ah, didnt see you there | 17:45 |
| smemon92 | bye | 17:45 |
| colinmcnamara | yup, I'm here | 17:45 |
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| colinmcnamara | I had a brain fart, and drove in a 9 | 17:45 |
| colinmcnamara | well, 8:32 | 17:45 |
| colinmcnamara | 8:52 | 17:45 |
| sarob | ah | 17:45 |
| sarob | i gots to run, check out eavesdrop for meet notes | 17:46 |
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| jraim | Alright, who is here for the Barbican meeting? | 20:03 |
| reaperhulk | o/ | 20:03 |
| codekobe | present | 20:03 |
| SheenaG | present | 20:04 |
| hockeynut | (raises hand) | 20:04 |
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| jraim | okay, let's get started | 20:04 |
| dstufft | <- | 20:04 |
| redrobot | o/ | 20:04 |
| jraim | #startmeeting Barbican status meeting | 20:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 20 20:04:34 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jraim. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican_status_meeting' | 20:04 |
| jraim | #topic Incubation work | 20:04 |
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| jraim | Hokey dokey. It mostly looks like Rackspace folks, so let's just run through the incubation tasks | 20:05 |
| jraim | and we'll see if anyone else shows up | 20:05 |
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| jraim | So, dstufft - did you get a chance to upload the new client to pypi? | 20:05 |
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| dstufft | jraim: waiting on 2 CR's to merge (which looks like they are now) to make the pypi page have rnedered output | 20:06 |
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| jraim | ahh okay, the switch from md to rst? | 20:06 |
| dstufft | I don't think there was a decision on if it should be version 2.0 or 1.1 either | 20:06 |
| warlord_ | yo | 20:06 |
| dstufft | jraim: ya | 20:06 |
| dstufft | and fixing it so the summary wasn't overwriting the file | 20:06 |
| dstufft | which wa sa mistake in the switch to pbr | 20:06 |
| jraim | #info so we can expect the new client version to be up today then | 20:07 |
| redrobot | dstufft, I think we agreed on 2.0 | 20:07 |
| dstufft | redrobot: ok! | 20:07 |
| jraim | cool | 20:07 |
| jraim | alright, the only other thing i have left is the devstack work | 20:07 |
| dstufft | I'm looking at pbr to see if i'm supposed to make it version = 2.0 or just tag it | 20:07 |
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| jraim | after a lot of discussion, it looks like using mod_wsgi instaed of uwsgi will be easier | 20:08 |
| jraim | so chad and I are working on getting that done | 20:08 |
| jraim | after that, we can rebase and submit the patches | 20:08 |
| aelkikhia | cool | 20:08 |
| jraim | so, is everyone okay with me asking for us to be on the TC agenda for a week from tomorrow? | 20:08 |
| reaperhulk | I don't see a problem with that on my end | 20:08 |
| jraim | #action jraim to ask TC for our incubation to be on the agenda for next week | 20:09 |
| woodster1 | sounds good to me | 20:09 |
| jraim | that's all I have on my list. Anyone have anything else that we need for incubation? | 20:09 |
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| hockeynut | anything needed from test perspective? | 20:10 |
| jraim | I don't think so. We need to start moving some tests into Tempest, but I think that can happen after incubation | 20:10 |
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| hockeynut | ok cool - wasn't sure of the timeframe | 20:10 |
| jraim | alright. anyone have anything else to talk about? | 20:11 |
| jraim | k. easy meeting. I'll hang out here in case anyone else shows up, but other than that, I think we are done until next week | 20:11 |
| jraim | #endmeeting | 20:11 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 20 20:11:42 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:11 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican_status_meeting/2014/barbican_status_meeting.2014-01-20-20.04.html | 20:11 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican_status_meeting/2014/barbican_status_meeting.2014-01-20-20.04.txt | 20:11 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican_status_meeting/2014/barbican_status_meeting.2014-01-20-20.04.log.html | 20:11 |
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