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| ijw | yo | 12:59 |
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| BrianB_ | morning | 13:00 |
| heyongli | Hi | 13:00 |
| irenab | hi all | 13:00 |
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| irenab | do we have the meeting? | 13:04 |
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| baoli | #startmeeting PCI Passthrough | 13:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 27 13:04:33 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:04 |
| baoli | #topic SRIOV | 13:04 |
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| baoli | Hi | 13:05 |
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| irenab | hi | 13:05 |
| sadasu | hello! | 13:05 |
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| sadasu | I updated my comment to Irena's doc about update port | 13:06 |
| baoli | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Passthrough#Agenda_on_Jan_27th.2C_2014 | 13:07 |
| irenab | sadasu: I see your comment now. I think its specific to the plugin/Mech driver. | 13:08 |
| sadasu | my concern was that, ML2 mechanism drivers may not be able to support changing pci flavor after port create | 13:08 |
| irenab | I think PCI flavor should not be changed, agree with you | 13:08 |
| sadasu | yes, I want to discuss if it specific to my case or should it be requirement at update port level? | 13:08 |
| irenab | its like VM flavor with PCI alias, no way to change it | 13:08 |
| sadasu | same with port config? | 13:08 |
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| sadasu | yes, I think we should make it clear in the doc also | 13:09 |
| irenab | sadasu: OK, will add clarification | 13:09 |
| baoli | Sounds good | 13:09 |
| sadasu | how about profile_id? | 13:10 |
| irenab | sadasu: its specific to your case | 13:10 |
| sadasu | if will allow that to be changed, domain xml needs to be rewritten, is that a supported operation in nova? | 13:10 |
| baoli | We need to find out | 13:11 |
| irenab | sadasu: baoli: are you available after the meeting, to take it offline? | 13:11 |
| sadasu | renab: agreed....I need to get clarification on any nova constraints so bringing it up now | 13:11 |
| rkukura | which doc are we discussing? | 13:11 |
| sadasu | Irena's neutron doc | 13:11 |
| baoli | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RfxfXBNB0mD_kH9SamwqPI8ZM-jg797ky_Fze7SakRc/edit?pli=1 | 13:11 |
| rkukura | sorry - getting online right at 8:00 EST is difficult due to dropping kids off at school | 13:11 |
| baoli | I was a little late too this morning | 13:12 |
| sadasu | rkukura: +1 but we were trying to accomodate several time zones | 13:12 |
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| sadasu | we were trying to accomodate nova guys | 13:13 |
| rkukura | not asking to change schedule - just trying to catch up - should have joined the meeting channel before going | 13:13 |
| irenab | do we have action item on which port settings can be modified with regards to SR-IOV? | 13:14 |
| baoli | #action take a look at nova updating domain xml while the VM is running | 13:14 |
| irenab | baoli: +1 | 13:14 |
| ijw | Sorry, little late on the catchup myself. I think the changing of PCI details would be permitted until port attach (since we currently update as part of the attachment process) - shouldn't be changeable once we plug the VIF, basically. | 13:14 |
| sadasu | I have no other questions/comments on the doc at this time | 13:14 |
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| irenab | sadasu: great | 13:15 |
| ijw | But that would also effectively prevent a knock-on VM spec change after it's started (which is really what we're talking about here) | 13:15 |
| sadasu | ijw: exactly | 13:15 |
| baoli | ok. can we proceed with https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Passthrough#Agenda_on_Jan_27th.2C_2014 | 13:16 |
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| sadasu | I think we had some open action items left over from last Wed's meeting | 13:18 |
| irenab | baoli: I agree with the plan presented here | 13:19 |
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| ijw | So the sriov_group would be the thing we pass Neutron to tell if the physical network attachment? | 13:19 |
| irenab | baoli: added 2 comments on the wiki page | 13:19 |
| ijw | And I'm not sure how you avoid pci-flavor but you seem to imply it's possible | 13:20 |
| baoli | irenab, cann't find the comments. Can you paste it here to discuss | 13:20 |
| irenab | just look for irenab | 13:20 |
| baoli | got it | 13:21 |
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| irenab | baoli:no major issues | 13:21 |
| baoli | Thanks, irenab | 13:22 |
| ijw_ | OK, sorry, my connection dropped there and I may have missed a couple of bits | 13:22 |
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| ijw_ | Is there any reason we're passing limited selections to Neutron for the PCI device rather than all its attributes? | 13:22 |
| baoli | It would be great if no work is in the neutron client area | 13:22 |
| irenab | baoli: need to verifu, but pretty sure it will work as is | 13:23 |
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| baoli | I need to think about how to use host aggregate for the scheduling issue | 13:23 |
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| baoli | irenab, I will take a close look at it too, and list possible items if any | 13:24 |
| ijw_ | baoli: in what way? | 13:24 |
| baoli | ijw, can you clarify your question? | 13:24 |
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| ijw_ | Are you talking about John's host aggregate discussions or something else? | 13:25 |
| ijw_ | I don't think they were related to Neutron. | 13:25 |
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| baoli | ijw, from the wiki:how do we address this requirement that a compute node may support SRIOV port only, a new filter or enhancement to the existing pci passthrough filter? [irenab - May use host aggregate ] | 13:25 |
| irenab | ijw: no just the way to filter hosts that should accomodate only SR-IOV vNICs | 13:25 |
| baoli | That's what we are talking about | 13:25 |
| irenab | admin should define host aggregate with Hosts that shoud serve the SR-IOV using VMs | 13:26 |
| ijw | OK - I was assuming (not that this is written anywhere) that we'd add a PF attribute to the VF pci_device record, so that you could filter on them in pci_information. | 13:27 |
| irenab | when 'nova boot' is called it will specify Host Agggreate | 13:27 |
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| baoli | how to prevent a regular 'nova boot' from scheduling a vm on a host that supports SRIOV? | 13:28 |
| ijw | And then you could make a flavor that specifically calls out SR-IOV devices you're offering up, rather than (at the API level) having to add to a list of hosts with SR-IOV devices, which to my mind would be a bit tricky to get right | 13:28 |
| baoli | irenab, do you require the host aggregate to be used all the time? | 13:28 |
| ijw | Oh, SRIOV only hosts, you mean? | 13:28 |
| ijw | Yeah, I would go with that for now | 13:28 |
| irenab | baoli: no, just for now if this requured | 13:29 |
| irenab | another option, not to run there any vSwitch | 13:29 |
| irenab | so port-binding will fail | 13:29 |
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| irenab | and VM will be booted on othe Host | 13:30 |
| baoli | irenab, if we are talking about the short-term goal, sure, we can avoid this requirement | 13:30 |
| heyongli | agree with a short term goal | 13:30 |
| rkukura | Port binding would fail, but we want to avoid scheduling there so that doesn't happen | 13:30 |
| irenab | baoli: currently talking the short term | 13:30 |
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| heyongli | this scheduler problem does relate to host itself. | 13:31 |
| irenab | I guess we are back to neutron-aware-scheduler, but its for Juno, yes? | 13:31 |
| baoli | irenab, yes. So we don't want to support coexistence of SRIOV-only and non-SRIOV compute nodes initially | 13:31 |
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| irenab | I actually think we should, why not? | 13:32 |
| rkukura | Sorry for being 1/2 out of the loop, but isn't the idea for juno to use host aggregates to give the user a way to force the scheduling? | 13:32 |
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| ijw_ | Sorry, my network hates me today | 13:32 |
| irenab | rkukura: I think Host aggregates may be used already now | 13:32 |
| baoli | irenab, then we go back to the same issue. | 13:32 |
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| irenab | baoli: can you please clarify the issue | 13:33 |
| ijw_ | What I was trying to say is that if this is a use case then it's not in the use case list at the moment. I'd like to add it, I think host aggregates are the right way to do it if you want to have hosts dedicated to machines needing SRIOV but I would also like to know how important it is | 13:33 |
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| irenab | I think the coexistence of OVS + SRIOV is more important | 13:34 |
| heyongli | agree, and this request seems does not impact pci scheduler. | 13:34 |
| baoli | #issue,coexistence of SRIOV-only and non-SRIOV compute nodes | 13:34 |
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| ijw_ | I think baoli's case is that if you have only a very few SRIOV capable hosts it's a good idea to avoid using them for machines that don't need SRIOV facilities - that about right? | 13:34 |
| irenab | baoli: what issue do you see when coexistence should be supported? | 13:35 |
| rkukura | Presumably nova API lets you specify a specific host aggregate. But is there a way to exclude certain host aggregates from being used when no aggregate is specified via the API? | 13:35 |
| baoli | ijw, that's right | 13:35 |
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| baoli | nova boot --flavor 1 --image <imuuid> --nic net-id=net vm | 13:36 |
| baoli | if host 1 supports sriov only nic, host 2 supports non-sriov nic, | 13:36 |
| baoli | you don't want 'vm' to be running on host 1 | 13:36 |
| ijw | OK - then I see your point and it sounds to me like it's a thing that would best be served with a better scheduler filter, but for preference I would add another BP later. It could easily be implemented as an independent filter that deprioritises hosts with SRIOV devices. | 13:37 |
| ijw | Make sense? | 13:37 |
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| baoli | ijw, not sure. the filter basically works the same as the existing PCI filter, with some new constraints added | 13:37 |
| heyongli | set host aggregate like 'sriov-only' propery and then set key in instance flavor, this solve the problem, this is supported now, right? | 13:38 |
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| rkukura | ijw: Sounds like we want nova to never schedule onto an SRIOV aggregate unless that aggregate is explicitly requested, right? | 13:38 |
| ijw | Well, technically it's working on VMs that *don't* have passthrough requirements, which is not quite the same as the current one, which pretty much only affects scheduling for VMs that *do*( | 13:38 |
| heyongli | rkukura, so the aggregate does has this for now. | 13:38 |
| irenab | so if some deployments want to disable coexsistanse on SR-IOV and non SRIOV cnic, it will be possible with Host Aggregates | 13:39 |
| ijw | Host aggregate is a less automatic way of doing it (either way you have a host aggregate you add SRIOV capable hosts to or one that you add non-SRIOV capable hosts to) but it does mean that even without explicit code to serve the case you could get something working, which is another reason why it's not a huge priority | 13:39 |
| heyongli | ijw: agree | 13:40 |
| irenab | I think the coexistence case is quite important, since same VM may have different NIC types | 13:40 |
| ijw | Indeed - so this is really about avoiding SRIOV hosts when you have no SRIOV needs | 13:41 |
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| irenab | ijw: exactly | 13:41 |
| baoli | Well, let's take another thread to discuss this offline, and decide in a later IRC meeting. It's quite clear what the requirement is | 13:41 |
| heyongli | baoli, cool | 13:42 |
| irenab | baoli: fine | 13:42 |
| baoli | I'll start the thread after the meeting | 13:42 |
| ijw | baoli: yeah - I'd just like to agree this isn't a release 1 issue, that's all - it doesn't seem to block what we're doing now | 13:42 |
| irenab | ijw: +1 | 13:42 |
| baoli | ijw, that sounds fine to me | 13:42 |
| baoli | Any more comments to the plan? | 13:43 |
| ijw | all good | 13:43 |
| irenab | baoli: need to see that all parts have owners | 13:44 |
| baoli | irenab, yes. | 13:44 |
| ijw | As it stood, I think it was: | 13:44 |
| ijw | heyongli: pci_information initially, then pci_flavor_attrs (?) | 13:44 |
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| heyongli | basiclly i will take all in extra_info blue prints. | 13:44 |
| ijw | irenab: Neutorn | 13:44 |
| ijw | ijw: scheduler | 13:44 |
| ijw | baoli: CLI and API changes | 13:45 |
| heyongli | ijw: sure, i take that definitely, | 13:45 |
| irenab | ijw: for neutron we have general part for ML2 and NechDriver for Cisco and Mellanox | 13:45 |
| heyongli | and pci flavor, DB, object and API , we had another guy for this | 13:45 |
| irenab | I am on general part right now | 13:45 |
| baoli | Let's start with nova part | 13:46 |
| irenab | baoli: VIF DRiver is yours? | 13:46 |
| ijw | I can do that too, up to you - tell me what you need | 13:46 |
| baoli | irenab, not a problem. | 13:46 |
| ijw | ... but obviously I prefer giving baoli all the work ;) | 13:46 |
| irenab | will probably need a way to coordinate, so please be on IRC when available | 13:47 |
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| ijw | heyongli: I think I'm going to need your work to do scheduling so when you get your patches up drop me a mail directly | 13:47 |
| heyongli | ijw: patch is quickly release, i think. | 13:48 |
| ijw | Cool. | 13:48 |
| baoli | Yeyongli, so do you agree with the SRIOV items in nova | 13:48 |
| heyongli | cause i had most of them alredy, and i re-assmeblem them according bp | 13:48 |
| ijw | Also, I'm in the middle of relocating, so this week might be a bit crap. Don't think you'll see code from me till next week regardless | 13:48 |
| heyongli | baoli, sure | 13:48 |
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| heyongli | baoli, in detail code interface, catch me or yunhong in any time | 13:49 |
| irenab | If I am not mistaken we have time till Mid February to lend code upstream to give it a chance to enter Icehouse | 13:49 |
| heyongli | irenab, it's risk | 13:50 |
| heyongli | especially nova part | 13:50 |
| baoli | heyongli, sure. Especially I need the marker thing we've discussed | 13:50 |
| heyongli | baoli: sure, let's talk it in mail thread | 13:50 |
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| baoli | heyongli, sure | 13:51 |
| heyongli | so seems we can back to weekly meeting? | 13:52 |
| ijw | irenab: Mid-Feb for approval, yes, but we need to make sure that we get our patches up and reviewable so that there's time for people to check them | 13:52 |
| heyongli | and i will on vacation from Tuesday, yunhong will cover me. | 13:52 |
| irenab | ijw: agree | 13:52 |
| ijw | Sounds like we're on track for that now, mind you, but don't put them up 5 days before ;) | 13:53 |
| baoli | So let's make it clear who is doing what. | 13:53 |
| heyongli | ijw. i kind of worry the nova bp and nova review process. | 13:53 |
| ijw | There's the open question of PCI flavors, I think, versus John's host aggregate suggestion. | 13:54 |
| baoli | ijw, also the issue I raised in last IRC meeting | 13:54 |
| ijw | heyongli: I think we'll make reasonable process if we have consensus | 13:54 |
| ijw | baoli: what was that? | 13:54 |
| baoli | ijw, I guess that you didn't take it seriously | 13:54 |
| ijw | baoli: I wasn't there on Thursday and haven't checked the minutes | 13:55 |
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| baoli | ijw, sorry, the issue I raised on Wednesday, I guess | 13:55 |
| ijw | remind me? | 13:56 |
| irenab | so are we still having meeting on daily basis? | 13:56 |
| ijw | passing the attr list back and forth? | 13:56 |
| baoli | you agreed to clearly specify how the pci stats works: in terms of how compute nodes get the knowledge of pci attributes, pci flavors, and update the stats, what stats buckets are, etc | 13:56 |
| ijw | baoli: Then I moved out of the Netherlands - so yes, I didn't take it quite as seriously as doing that, that would be fair ;) | 13:57 |
| ijw | You're right, it needs doing, let me spec it up | 13:57 |
| baoli | Let's have one tomorrow, and then go back to normal schedule unless something urgent comes up | 13:57 |
| heyongli | sure | 13:58 |
| irenab | ok | 13:58 |
| baoli | I'm still not very clear who's doing what. Let's make it clear tomorrow | 13:58 |
| ijw | heyongli: I'll forward that spec to you, it's all tied up with the backend stuff | 13:58 |
| ijw | baoli: list is up there ^^^ | 13:58 |
| irenab | ijw: please send to all | 13:58 |
| heyongli | ijw: for me , i think it no suprise, anyway, let's discuss | 13:59 |
| baoli | ok, we'll meet again tomorrow? | 13:59 |
| heyongli | sure | 13:59 |
| baoli | Thanks everyone | 13:59 |
| irenab | sure, and have list of items with owners? | 13:59 |
| sadasu | yes, we should | 14:00 |
| baoli | Sure. Let's start with email today? | 14:00 |
| baoli | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
| irenab | fine | 14:00 |
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| dguitarbite | hello | 17:01 |
| alagalah | Hi | 17:02 |
| colinmcnamara | Morning | 17:02 |
| dguitarbite | hi alagalah | 17:02 |
| dguitarbite | morning (evening for me ;) ) | 17:02 |
| colinmcnamara | Waiting for Sean, he has the agenda | 17:02 |
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| dguitarbite | ok, hi colimcnanara: wassap? | 17:05 |
| colinmcnamara | Taking the world by storm | 17:05 |
| colinmcnamara | One day at a time | 17:05 |
| dguitarbite | so the world is indeed spinning too fast! | 17:06 |
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| colinmcnamara | Ok, looks like Sean may be late, I'll start he meeting | 17:06 |
| colinmcnamara | Give me one min | 17:06 |
| dguitarbite | ok | 17:06 |
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| colinmcn_ | #startmeeting openstack-training | 17:09 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 27 17:09:15 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is colinmcn_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:09 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-training)" | 17:09 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_training' | 17:09 |
| dguitarbite | #help | 17:09 |
| colinmcn_ | crap, wrong title | 17:09 |
| colinmcn_ | endmeeting | 17:09 |
| colinmcn_ | #endmeeting | 17:09 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 27 17:09:54 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:09 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_training/2014/openstack_training.2014-01-27-17.09.html | 17:09 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_training/2014/openstack_training.2014-01-27-17.09.txt | 17:09 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_training/2014/openstack_training.2014-01-27-17.09.log.html | 17:09 |
| colinmcn_ | #startmeeting training-manuals | 17:10 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 27 17:10:05 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is colinmcn_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:10 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 17:10 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' | 17:10 |
| colinmcn_ | ok, thats better | 17:10 |
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| colinmcn_ | attendance | 17:10 |
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| sarob | Can you run the meeting | 17:11 |
| colinmcn_ | I am | 17:11 |
| sarob | Okay cool | 17:11 |
| colinmcn_ | was on ipad to start | 17:11 |
| sarob | I'll chk in later | 17:11 |
| colinmcn_ | #topic current work | 17:11 |
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| colinmcn_ | I am still work in progress for the social media action plan. | 17:12 |
| colinmcn_ | #topic quizes | 17:13 |
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| colinmcn_ | dguitarbite: last meeting there was a bit of testing for the moodle ap | 17:14 |
| colinmcn_ | any update on status? | 17:14 |
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| dguitarbite | colinmcn: yes, moodle works fine, nearly ready for pushing it to infra | 17:15 |
| colinmcn_ | did the meeting with the infra team go off so they know it's coming? | 17:15 |
| dguitarbite | I tried out Launchpad plugin, it has a few bugs, need to figure out how to do the auth | 17:15 |
| dguitarbite | nope, not yet. We need to figure out how to provide login | 17:15 |
| colinmcn_ | #action dguitarbite figure out auth with moodle launchpad plugin | 17:15 |
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| colinmcn_ | #info launchpad auth on moodle has to be figured out before we present to infra team | 17:16 |
| dguitarbite | I meant, if Launchpad plugin does not work, how to go forward with Login and what kind of stats integration are required with OpenStack | 17:16 |
| colinmcn_ | depending on how close you feel you are | 17:17 |
| dguitarbite | *OpenStack's existing stats | 17:17 |
| colinmcn_ | if it takes more then a week | 17:17 |
| colinmcn_ | I would say, let's reach out to infra team for guidance | 17:17 |
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| colinmcn_ | if under a week, I would vote to go heads down and get the feature pushed out | 17:17 |
| colinmcn_ | and then present to them | 17:17 |
| colinmcn_ | whats your gut feel on effort? | 17:17 |
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| dguitarbite | well, sky's the limit, Moodle is really good as it has an efficient CMS eco-system built for its users | 17:18 |
| colinmcn_ | let me rephrase | 17:18 |
| dguitarbite | ok, by next IRC meet I'll get the end result out | 17:19 |
| colinmcn_ | #action by next monday dguitarbite will have work estimation (go or nogo) for moodle launchpad | 17:19 |
| colinmcn_ | I would recommend popping onto the #openstack-infra channel | 17:19 |
| colinmcn_ | and asking about options | 17:19 |
| colinmcn_ | Jeremy, Monty and team are awesome-sauce | 17:20 |
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| fungi | colinmcn_: thanks! | 17:20 |
| fungi | you're all welcome in there any time | 17:21 |
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| colinmcn_ | #info infra team is the circulatory system of OpenStack ;) | 17:21 |
| colinmcn_ | #topic commercial training | 17:21 |
| fungi | more like the digestive system, but... | 17:21 |
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| colinmcn_ | lol | 17:21 |
| dguitarbite | colinmcn_: Moodle has inbuilt auth system and uses MySQL db (and similar ones) | 17:21 |
| colinmcn_ | true | 17:21 |
| dguitarbite | so if Launchpad is nogo then we can use the inbuilt auth system | 17:22 |
| colinmcn_ | #topic back to moodle auth | 17:22 |
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| colinmcn_ | ok, well give it some time and document the options so we can have the cleanest integration | 17:22 |
| dguitarbite | ok | 17:22 |
| colinmcn_ | #topic commercial training | 17:22 |
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| colinmcn_ | dguitarbite: you had mentioned last week that commercial implementation of training-guides was set for next month | 17:23 |
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| colinmcn_ | is there a specific date? | 17:23 |
| dguitarbite | 1st Feb | 17:23 |
| colinmcn_ | #info first commercial training feb 1 2014 | 17:24 |
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| dguitarbite | im going to two universities in India ... so we can have loads of feedback | 17:24 |
| colinmcn_ | so, thats 4 days | 17:24 |
| dguitarbite | yep, getting training-manuals ready for it | 17:24 |
| colinmcn_ | do we have a survey setup to get documented feedback? | 17:24 |
| colinmcn_ | servey-monkey, moodle, etc? | 17:24 |
| dguitarbite | none that I know of | 17:24 |
| colinmcn_ | was thinking there may be value in getting feedback logged programatically | 17:25 |
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| dguitarbite | moodle works for feedback survey but it will be a dab way to get the user feedback, how is surveymonkey? | 17:26 |
| colinmcn_ | yet another survey tool is what surveymonkey is | 17:26 |
| dguitarbite | I like your idea of feedback | 17:26 |
| colinmcn_ | will the students be using moodle during the class? | 17:27 |
| dguitarbite | not for this training | 17:27 |
| dguitarbite | Internet is not reliable :( | 17:27 |
| colinmcn_ | :/ | 17:27 |
| colinmcn_ | so that rules out surveymonkey too | 17:28 |
| dguitarbite | for survey we could make it work | 17:28 |
| colinmcn_ | ok | 17:28 |
| colinmcn_ | how many days is the class? | 17:28 |
| dguitarbite | for teaching I meant, we cannot rely on internet as its supposed to be around 10 days | 17:28 |
| dguitarbite | 10 days | 17:28 |
| colinmcn_ | how many students per class? | 17:28 |
| dguitarbite | 5~7 max | 17:29 |
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| dguitarbite | they are Professors from the UNI | 17:29 |
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| colinmcn_ | ok, I'll set up a survey monkey for each day | 17:29 |
| colinmcn_ | #action colinmcnamara sets up a surveymonkey for feb1 class | 17:29 |
| dguitarbite | thanks | 17:30 |
| colinmcn_ | np | 17:30 |
| colinmcn_ | #topic any items outstanding for the class | 17:30 |
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| colinmcn_ | are there any items that if not completed will significantly impact the delivery of the class? | 17:31 |
| dguitarbite | need to discuss the format for Associate training | 17:31 |
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| dguitarbite | can you start the gdoc drawing? | 17:31 |
| colinmcn_ | link? | 17:31 |
| dguitarbite | https://docs.google.com/a/aptira.com/drawings/d/1ju78O-PjkZIeSbpGkUndIohQeQy06QXseRPbCy2F6F8/edit | 17:32 |
| colinmcn_ | #link https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1ju78O-PjkZIeSbpGkUndIohQeQy06QXseRPbCy2F6F8/edit | 17:32 |
| colinmcn_ | gdoc open | 17:33 |
| dguitarbite | FYI for zooming use the zoom button on top bar instead of C^+ | 17:33 |
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| colinmcn_ | i'm there | 17:33 |
| dguitarbite | can you see the blocks selected by me ? | 17:33 |
| colinmcn_ | yes | 17:34 |
| dguitarbite | we swapped Network Node and Compute Node | 17:34 |
| colinmcn_ | bk002-ch007 | 17:34 |
| dguitarbite | sean: said we better discuss it, is that fine? | 17:34 |
| colinmcn_ | #topic associate-guide format | 17:34 |
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| colinmcn_ | yes, switching to that tpic | 17:34 |
| dguitarbite | bk001-ch3 to 5 | 17:34 |
| colinmcn_ | ok, then I don't see what you have highlight | 17:35 |
| colinmcn_ | got it | 17:35 |
| dguitarbite | red bg | 17:36 |
| dguitarbite | ok | 17:36 |
| colinmcn_ | so, swapping compute and network node | 17:36 |
| dguitarbite | yep | 17:36 |
| dguitarbite | as compute node is the shortest, we can add in post-install tasks (dashboard and CLI usage) with Compute Node | 17:37 |
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| colinmcn_ | you feel that will improve flow and understanding? | 17:37 |
| dguitarbite | a bit, yes | 17:37 |
| dguitarbite | as its tough to digest Neutron | 17:38 |
| colinmcn_ | I vote go for it | 17:38 |
| dguitarbite | so we do not mix it with anything else | 17:38 |
| colinmcn_ | especially since it's the associate guide | 17:38 |
| dguitarbite | did the same for Operators | 17:38 |
| dguitarbite | Control >> Most Services -- max time | 17:39 |
| dguitarbite | Network >> Lesser than Control -- med time | 17:39 |
| dguitarbite | Compute -- A few service -- Lease time | 17:39 |
| colinmcn_ | #info network post install tasks consolidated with compute node section | 17:39 |
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| colinmcn_ | So, that's one critical path item | 17:40 |
| colinmcn_ | any other critical path items? | 17:40 |
| colinmcn_ | to the feb1 launc | 17:40 |
| dguitarbite | nope | 17:40 |
| dguitarbite | just this one | 17:40 |
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| colinmcn_ | cool | 17:41 |
| colinmcn_ | #topic any other business | 17:41 |
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| colinmcn_ | any other business to discuss? | 17:41 |
| dguitarbite | any advice? | 17:41 |
| dguitarbite | on training bunch of people who barely know linux :| | 17:42 |
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| colinmcn_ | Notes, Notes, Notes | 17:42 |
| colinmcn_ | get the students working for you | 17:42 |
| colinmcn_ | ask them to take notes on things that worked, things that didn't work | 17:42 |
| dguitarbite | they are Professors! | 17:42 |
| colinmcn_ | remember, student / teacher is a role that can be swapped | 17:43 |
| colinmcn_ | expert in one, novice in another | 17:43 |
| colinmcn_ | don't get to hung up on schedules | 17:43 |
| colinmcn_ | right now the schedules are estimations | 17:43 |
| colinmcn_ | at the beginning of the class, be sure to thank everyone for participating in something big | 17:44 |
| dguitarbite | yes, I will be doing time tracking, I guess most valuable feedback | 17:44 |
| colinmcn_ | and call out that their feedback is critical | 17:44 |
| colinmcn_ | if you get them in the mindset of participating in a process | 17:45 |
| colinmcn_ | vs critiquing a class | 17:45 |
| colinmcn_ | everyone will benefit | 17:45 |
| colinmcn_ | oh, and make sure to be 30 min early and great everyone personally | 17:45 |
| colinmcn_ | ;) | 17:45 |
| dguitarbite | yes sir :) never thought of that! | 17:46 |
| colinmcn_ | thats a great trick for building report | 17:46 |
| colinmcn_ | that and having everyone introduce themselves, their background and what they want to get out of the class | 17:46 |
| colinmcn_ | don't get to hung up on the fact that they are professors. They are just people, like you and I | 17:47 |
| colinmcn_ | and don't forget to sleep | 17:47 |
| colinmcn_ | ;) | 17:47 |
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| dguitarbite | no ofcourse, I dont discriminate, its fun to learn from their experience too. | 17:48 |
| colinmcn_ | yup. they are people too. and have lots of great feedback on the educational process | 17:48 |
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| dguitarbite | yeah | 17:48 |
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| colinmcn_ | That's all I got | 17:49 |
| dguitarbite | thanks a lot colinmcn: I owe you a few beers | 17:49 |
| dguitarbite | \m/ | 17:49 |
| colinmcn_ | I owe you a case of beers | 17:49 |
| colinmcn_ | on that note. If there is not any other business, I'll close the meeting | 17:50 |
| dguitarbite | im good | 17:50 |
| colinmcn_ | met too | 17:50 |
| colinmcn_ | #endmeeting | 17:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 27 17:50:47 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:50 |
| dguitarbite | its a party then, ill get my guitar ;) | 17:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-01-27-17.10.html | 17:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-01-27-17.10.txt | 17:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-01-27-17.10.log.html | 17:50 |
| colinmcn_ | sweet | 17:50 |
| dguitarbite | have a nice day, I need to carsh now. thanks again | 17:51 |
| colinmcn_ | thank you dude. have a good night sleep | 17:52 |
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| iccha | mistral demo | 18:35 |
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| jraim | #startmeeting | 19:59 |
| openstack | jraim: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 19:59 |
| jraim | #startmeeting Barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 27 20:00:00 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jraim. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| jraim | #topic Barbican Incubation | 20:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Barbican Incubation (Meeting topic: Barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| jraim | alright, who is here for the barbican meeting? | 20:00 |
| reaperhulk | o/ | 20:00 |
| lisaclark | o/ | 20:00 |
| reaperhulk | Big crowd | 20:01 |
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| jraim | looks like we are a little light. Let's wait a few minutes | 20:01 |
| codekobe | hello! | 20:01 |
| lisaclark | while we're waiting, i noticed that the meeting minutes for this meeting were last updated on Dec 5. | 20:02 |
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| jraim | yeah, I need to be better about updating those. We are still basically on the same topic: e.g. incubation work | 20:02 |
| jraim | #action jraim to update minutes | 20:03 |
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| jraim | alright, let's try again | 20:05 |
| jraim | who all is here for the barbican meeting? | 20:05 |
| codekobe | o? | 20:05 |
| codekobe | o/ | 20:05 |
| lisaclark | o/ | 20:05 |
| * redrobot is here for barbican | 20:05 | |
| woodster | o/ | 20:05 |
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| reaperhulk | Also me. | 20:06 |
| jraim | good enough I guess :) | 20:06 |
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| jraim | so the only incubation related tasks that I know about are to get devstack finished | 20:06 |
| jraim | and to get the release of python-barbicanclient out | 20:06 |
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| jraim | don't know if dstufft is here, but do we know if the client got released? | 20:07 |
| dstufft | yes it did | 20:07 |
| woodster | I believe it is out there….2.0.0 | 20:07 |
| jraim | great | 20:07 |
| jraim | okay, so that one is done | 20:07 |
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| dstufft | and all the mechanisms are wired up so we can releae just by pushing tags to gerrit | 20:07 |
| jraim | good stuff | 20:07 |
| dstufft | git tag -s 2.0.1; git push gerrit 2.0.1 | 20:07 |
| dstufft | etc | 20:07 |
| jraim | so devstack is still not working. chadlung and I are slowly plowing through it | 20:08 |
| woodster | good dstufft (sorry) | 20:08 |
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| jraim | woodster boo | 20:08 |
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| jraim | #info no such thing as a good pun | 20:08 |
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| jraim | reaperhulk: testr is still on here | 20:08 |
| jraim | where did we land on that? | 20:08 |
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| dstufft | lol | 20:09 |
| reaperhulk | We decided to hold off as it's not a blocker for incubation and replacing our test runner has some other cascading consequences we'd need to deal with. As other projects more extensively incorporate it we should revisit. | 20:09 |
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| jraim | okay, we had it on the task list for incubation. I'll move it to a separate place | 20:10 |
| jraim | that's all that's left on the list | 20:10 |
| jraim | #action jraim to update incubation request wiki | 20:10 |
| jraim | once that's done, I need to send a mail to the list so people can review before the final vote | 20:10 |
| lisaclark | where's is the list located? i'd like to review for my benefit. | 20:11 |
| jraim | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Barbican/Incubation | 20:11 |
| jraim | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Barbican/Incubation | 20:11 |
| reaperhulk | Are we still hoping to get the devstack PR in today/tomorrow? | 20:11 |
| jraim | dunno, it's being a pain | 20:11 |
| jraim | chadlung: you make any progress? | 20:11 |
| jraim | not here I gues | 20:12 |
| jraim | last I checked, we were trying to figure out why keystone was not working right | 20:12 |
| chadlung | Troubleshooting the Keystone auth. Trying to get the demo account going. DOug was leaning a hand since he lead that on Barbican | 20:12 |
| jraim | cool | 20:12 |
| reaperhulk | Okay, good luck :) | 20:12 |
| jraim | turns out that my copying Marconi was a bad idea since their scripts don't work :) | 20:13 |
| chadlung | BASH = FUN | 20:13 |
| jraim | reaperhulk: any movement on the asym blueprint? | 20:13 |
| redrobot | we'll keep BASHing at it until it complies | 20:13 |
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| reaperhulk | jraim, nothing since we haven't seen the author in a week now. Might want to talk about how to move forward in his absence tomorrow? | 20:14 |
| jraim | okay. We'll dig into it | 20:14 |
| jraim | that's all I have for today, anyone else have any issues they'd like to discuss? | 20:14 |
| jraim | okay then. back to #openstack-barbican :) | 20:15 |
| jraim | #endmeeting | 20:15 |
| chadlung | later | 20:15 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 27 20:15:29 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-01-27-20.00.html | 20:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-01-27-20.00.txt | 20:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-01-27-20.00.log.html | 20:15 |
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