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| zns | #startmeeting satori | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 17 15:00:05 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zns. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: satori)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'satori' | 15:00 |
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| zns | Hi there. Anyone here yet for the satori meeting? | 15:01 |
| samstav | o/ | 15:01 |
| caleb_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| walker_ | o/ | 15:01 |
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| zns | #topic Review Action List | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action List (Meeting topic: satori)" | 15:01 | |
| gondoi | o/ | 15:01 |
| gusmaskowitz | o/ | 15:01 |
| hhoover | o/ | 15:01 |
| zns | walker_, jasonpgignac - Templated output has been merged, so I'll consider your action items complete. Anything to add? | 15:02 |
| adrian_otto | o/ | 15:02 |
| walker_ | zns: nope | 15:02 |
| walker_ | thanks | 15:02 |
| zns | Cool. So all remaining action items are mine.. | 15:02 |
| zns | catch exceptions in CLI - done, merged. | 15:02 |
| zns | implement plugins - not done. But ssh module was merged in, and there's a pending review for the ohai-solo plugin. I'll carry that over to next week. | 15:03 |
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| zns | #action zns implement plugins own establishing the connection to start with, but we provide a built-in ssh module that they can use | 15:03 |
| zns | Create wiki page for naming suggestions - done #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Satori/NamingUnnamedThings | 15:04 |
| zns | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Satori/NamingUnnamedThings | 15:04 |
| zns | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/79798/ | 15:05 |
| zns | That's the URL to the ohai-solo patch | 15:05 |
| caleb_ | The ohai-solo patch will be finished up this week, right? | 15:05 |
| jasonpgignac | Sorry, o/ | 15:06 |
| zns | BTW, we also updated satori's pipeline. We now gate on PEP-257, python 33, and pypy. That's a pretty high bar, but I'm proud to say we've been getting patches through. | 15:06 |
| zns | caleb_: yes (today, I hope) | 15:06 |
| caleb_ | re: naming. Should we add to the doc this week and then vote next week? | 15:06 |
| zns | #topic general discussion | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "general discussion (Meeting topic: satori)" | 15:06 | |
| adrian_otto | zns: the https://review.openstack.org/79798 was submitted as a work-in-progress, or as a legitimate merge candidate? | 15:07 |
| zns | We also have a few new blueprints. Of special note is the one where we'd like to support discovery on localhost (no remote ssh connection). | 15:07 |
| zns | adrian_otto: it's a legitimate patch. | 15:08 |
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| zns | I also would like to commend samstav on the ssh module patch. It has 100% test coverage. | 15:09 |
| caleb_ | zns: Can me move https://blueprints.launchpad.net/satori/+spec/satori-templated-output to Implemented? | 15:09 |
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| zns | #info We now gate on PEP-257, python 33, and pypy | 15:09 |
| caleb_ | 700+ lines of testing code. Nice work. | 15:09 |
| zns | #info 100% test coverage for ssh_module | 15:09 |
| samstav | shooting for 110 next time | 15:10 |
| zns | adrian_otto: did you have a question about the patch? | 15:10 |
| jasonpgignac | *watches in awe as samstav turn it to 11* | 15:10 |
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| zns | caleb_: the Templated Output implementation is lacking one small last piece; providing a file path as template. I'll close it once we implement that. | 15:11 |
| adrian_otto | zns: no question. I was just curious if it was actually a WIP, but was not labeled that way. | 15:11 |
| zns | It was WIP originally, but the latest patches are out there as merge candidates. I have outstanding comments from caleb_ . | 15:12 |
| zns | And I'm only at 92% test coverage... | 15:12 |
| walker_ | 92%? That's unacceptable | 15:12 |
| walker_ | ;) | 15:12 |
| zns | 406 | 15:13 |
| caleb_ | I'm really interested in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/satori/+spec/satori-localhost | 15:13 |
| adrian_otto | what are you using to measure coverage? | 15:13 |
| zns | rm -rf cover && rm -rf covhtml && rm .coverage && tox -ecover && coverage html -d covhtml -i && open covhtml/index.html | 15:13 |
| caleb_ | Is anybody assigned to pick that up this week? Are there things that it depends on? | 15:13 |
| zns | caleb_: it _might_ depend on the 79798 | 15:14 |
| zns | No one assigned AFAIK | 15:14 |
| caleb_ | I agree. localhost discovery better include data plane :) | 15:15 |
| gondoi | the ansible blueprint could do this as well as the ohai-solo one | 15:15 |
| samstav | I know a lot of us develop on os x. What about a package for macs, walkker_ ? | 15:15 |
| zns | adrian_otto: that command is included in the read me: https://github.com/stackforge/satori#start-hacking (looking at it, it needs a formatting cleanup) | 15:15 |
| samstav | walker_ ^ | 15:15 |
| gondoi | now that I'm back i'll be picking that ansible blueprint back up | 15:15 |
| walker_ | samstav, I could probably build something, but not sure how useful it would really be | 15:15 |
| jasonpgignac | samstav: With our primary target audience at this point being system administrators, woudl that be a high priority? | 15:16 |
| zns | samstav: I wonder if we could leverage http://www.etresoft.com/etrecheck maybe | 15:16 |
| walker_ | FPM supports OSX packages | 15:16 |
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| samstav | the fact that fpm supports was the only reason I brought it up. | 15:16 |
| walker_ | I don't feel like OSX discovery is really part of our scope | 15:16 |
| zns | gondoi: cool. Looking forward to that. | 15:16 |
| samstav | proposed in context of dev | 15:16 |
| jasonpgignac | walker_: I agree. At this point, anyway, particularly. | 15:17 |
| zns | It will be cool to explore using multiple plugins. | 15:17 |
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| zns | What's FPM? | 15:17 |
| walker_ | https://github.com/jordansissel/fpm | 15:17 |
| walker_ | It is what Omnibus uses to make packages | 15:17 |
| zns | Cool | 15:17 |
| gondoi | zns: since the ohai-solo is a first work at a plugin, i'll probably work off of it to add ansible | 15:18 |
| zns | Is there an action item WRT localhost? Anyone picking that up? | 15:18 |
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| gondoi | erm I can take it re: ansible | 15:18 |
| samstav | I was coincidentally looking at this on friday zns | 15:18 |
| samstav | WRT localhost | 15:18 |
| samstav | I can take that one. | 15:19 |
| zns | gondoi: OK. Let me know if you want some help. I might need to alter that one as we make it all really pluggable. | 15:19 |
| zns | #action samstav implement localhost blueprint. | 15:19 |
| zns | Thanks, samstav | 15:19 |
| caleb_ | samstav: I'll assist | 15:19 |
| jasonpgignac | Will the localhost assume its been run as root or sudo? Just curious | 15:20 |
| samstav | 👌 | 15:20 |
| zns | This also brings up dependencies. Right now we are heavy because of nova client. We don't need nova client for localist. Hence the blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/satori/+spec/satori-minimal | 15:20 |
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| samstav | interesting... | 15:21 |
| zns | localhost, I meant | 15:21 |
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| caleb_ | Just FYI, after the data plane discovery blueprints lands I'll be writing a blueprint to add `--crawl` support to extend discovery to "related" machines. (e.g. server A has an active connection to server B, attempt to include server B too) | 15:21 |
| zns | Any thoughts on having two packages. satori, and satori-full? Where satori-full has everything in it, and satori just does data plane discovery? | 15:21 |
| caleb_ | zns: There's not a clean mechanism or pattern that I've seen to do that. | 15:22 |
| zns | Or the other way around, where satori is full and there is a satori-light? | 15:22 |
| caleb_ | are there any good examples that we should follow? | 15:22 |
| zns | I don't know one of the top of my head. I think nova client is pluggable... | 15:23 |
| zns | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/novaclient-auth-secretkey | 15:23 |
| zns | An auth plugin for novaclient... | 15:23 |
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| samstav | pip install satori --install-option | 15:24 |
| caleb_ | so `satori` and `satori-discover-nova`, `satori-discover-aws` | 15:24 |
| jasonpgignac | What if we made a novaclient a plugin, but bundled it with Satori? That way you CAN turn it off if you aren't going to use it? | 15:24 |
| caleb_ | ? | 15:24 |
| samstav | pip install satori --install-option='your_option_here' | 15:24 |
| zns | samstav: that's a pip feature? | 15:25 |
| samstav | I'm reading through some chatter… I'll get back to y'all on that. | 15:25 |
| zns | OK. I wonder if we also want to support easy_install... so maybe try not to have it be a pip-specific implementation. But I like the interface. | 15:26 |
| samstav | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8874638/how-to-maintain-pip-install-options-in-requirements-file-made-by-pip-freeze | 15:26 |
| caleb_ | Lots of ideas here. Who is going to take the action to do a spike into this and complete the blueprint? | 15:26 |
| zns | Alternative: pip install satori satori-nova satori-aws (separate packages). Maybe with a satori list-packages options. | 15:26 |
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| zns | samstav: you wanna give that one a shot? | 15:27 |
| samstav | on it | 15:27 |
| zns | Awesome. | 15:27 |
| zns | #action samstav spike into exploring plugin install options for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/satori/+spec/satori-minimal | 15:28 |
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| samstav | ++ ask for help from caleb_ with localhost discovery | 15:28 |
| samstav | ;) | 15:28 |
| caleb_ | samstav: All over it | 15:28 |
| zns | Shall we talk about a release announcement? What do we need to have in place? Are we waiting for localhost? Plugins? Or just after we get ohai_solo merged in? | 15:29 |
| caleb_ | yes, lets discuss that, topic change? | 15:29 |
| zns | #topic Release Announcement | 15:30 |
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| caleb_ | I think localhost + data plane discovery is required to announce to user list | 15:30 |
| caleb_ | that means we'll have these two scenarios: | 15:30 |
| caleb_ | satori domain.com (remote things like DNS + Nova control plane discovery) | 15:31 |
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| caleb_ | satori localhost --system-info=ohai-solo (local data plane discovery) | 15:31 |
| caleb_ | I think that's pretty compelling | 15:31 |
| zns | satori 10.1.1.45 doesn't work right now. | 15:31 |
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| zns | caleb_: and would that be a minimal install (no nova client?) | 15:31 |
| caleb_ | and with the progress we've made on SSH, `satori domain.com` could include data plane discovery too. | 15:32 |
| zns | Or, we could have it detect if nova client is installed and se, otherwise warn about not having it available. | 15:32 |
| caleb_ | zns: Personally, I don't think the nova dep is that heavy. I wouldn't vote for that being solved prior to announcement. | 15:32 |
| zns | /se/se/use it | 15:32 |
| caleb_ | since we're announcing to a group that probably has it installed already | 15:32 |
| caleb_ | zns: DNS bug? | 15:33 |
| zns | Should we relax the version requirement? Now, it's set to python-novaclient==2.15.0 | 15:33 |
| zns | caleb_: I'll file a big | 15:34 |
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| zns | #action zns file bug for satori not working with ip address | 15:34 |
| caleb_ | probably so. We could have somebody dig back into older versions to find a >= version to set. | 15:34 |
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| zns | Anyone volunteer to be "somebody"? | 15:35 |
| gondoi | I can | 15:35 |
| zns | #action gondoi find more relaxed novalent requirement | 15:35 |
| zns | gondoi: thank you! | 15:35 |
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| zns | So, criteria for announcement; fix DNS bug, localhost, relaxed nova client dependency. Did I miss something? | 15:36 |
| zns | #action gondoi find more relaxed novaclient (spelling) requirement | 15:37 |
| caleb_ | zns: At least 1 data plane discovery plugin. | 15:38 |
| zns | #agreed criteria for announcement; fix DNS bug, localhost support, relaxed nova client dependency, and at least one data plane discovery plugin (ohai-solo most likely) | 15:39 |
| jasonpgignac | Agreed. | 15:39 |
| zns | Cool. | 15:39 |
| zns | Anything else? Anyhone? | 15:39 |
| caleb_ | I like our progress. | 15:39 |
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| caleb_ | Sounds like a bunch of stuff will land this week. | 15:40 |
| zns | Anyone... I can't type... | 15:40 |
| zns | caleb_: +1 feels like a lot got done last week. | 15:40 |
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| caleb_ | And we'll be ready for a user list announcement early nexdt week | 15:40 |
| gondoi | operationally i'm still waiting on the bot to be merged | 15:40 |
| caleb_ | gondoi: I've given up home on that review :) | 15:40 |
| caleb_ | ope* | 15:40 |
| caleb_ | hope* | 15:40 |
| gondoi | :D i had a duplicate line and was out for vacation O_O | 15:41 |
| gondoi | https://review.openstack.org/79058 | 15:41 |
| gondoi | fixed ^ | 15:41 |
| gondoi | i'll jump into the infra room and see if anything is outstanding to get that merged | 15:41 |
| zns | I saw a request to move to #openstack-satori... | 15:42 |
| zns | A comment on patch 3... | 15:42 |
| zns | Is that a blocker? | 15:42 |
| caleb_ | I have an active review on doc updates. I'll probably do a little bit of work on that too this week. | 15:42 |
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| walker_ | weird, that review was approved by a core reviewer and the it was removed? | 15:43 |
| zns | I don't know that I am convinced it should be #openstack-satori. I feel as a related project, we're not dependent on openstack... yet... | 15:43 |
| gondoi | zns: i don't see that comment, we are in #satori and have it registered | 15:43 |
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| zns | Joshua Hasketh's comment on patch 3 | 15:44 |
| zns | "Looks good to me but I don't know what the policy/standard is on channel names. Is it too late to move to #openstack-satori?" | 15:44 |
| gondoi | ah | 15:45 |
| hhoover | zns: there are other non "openstack-" channels out there | 15:45 |
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| hhoover | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/IRC | 15:45 |
| walker_ | yeah, I don't think that should be a requirement | 15:45 |
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| gondoi | I can try to push this one forward and just find out more details on channel names...? | 15:45 |
| zns | Col. | 15:45 |
| zns | Cool! | 15:46 |
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| zns | Are we done for today? | 15:46 |
| caleb_ | Quick question regarding docs | 15:46 |
| zns | Nope. | 15:46 |
| zns | caleb_: yes? | 15:46 |
| walker_ | No, we're done caleb_ | 15:46 |
| walker_ | :) | 15:46 |
| caleb_ | adrian_otto: I noticed that Solum is using the OpenStack logo on docs. Can we do the same as a related project? | 15:47 |
| annegentle | caleb_: the OpenStack logo is reserved, can you let us know where you see the logo being used? | 15:47 |
| caleb_ | *gulp* | 15:47 |
| caleb_ | :) | 15:47 |
| walker_ | #link https://www.openstack.org/brand/ | 15:47 |
| annegentle | caleb_: there's a brand guide at http://www.openstack.org/brand | 15:47 |
| annegentle | caleb_: so possibly they're using the "Built for OpenStack" logo with a signed contract | 15:48 |
| walker_ | "/topic narc'ing out other projects" | 15:48 |
| annegentle | lol | 15:48 |
| annegentle | not at all, we all are responsible for following the guidelines | 15:48 |
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| hhoover | lol | 15:49 |
| jasonpgignac | *huffs* If THEY get a logo-cookie, *I* want a logo-cookie! | 15:49 |
| caleb_ | I'm looking for the link... | 15:50 |
| zns | caleb_: do we want to "sign a contract" to add the built for openstack logo on satori? | 15:50 |
| caleb_ | zns: I wouldn't oppose that. | 15:50 |
| zns | caleb_: motivate. Why? | 15:50 |
| walker_ | caleb_ Is this what you are talking about? #link http://solum.io/ | 15:51 |
| hhoover | looks legit | 15:51 |
| caleb_ | but I don't think aligning to the brand is an important step in a project that is so young | 15:51 |
| walker_ | at the bottom there is a link to stackforge with the OS logo | 15:51 |
| zns | I think this is the link: http://solum.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ | 15:51 |
| caleb_ | walker_: No theres a docs page for their sphinx stuff thats using the OS... | 15:51 |
| caleb_ | yes | 15:51 |
| caleb_ | annegentle: ^^ | 15:52 |
| zns | caleb_: sorry, I read that you *would* oppose that. | 15:52 |
| annegentle | caleb_: ok, I think both are not uses that are sanctioned, I'll follow up with adrian_otto | 15:52 |
| jasonpgignac | Its worth considering that keeping Satori as big a tent as possible is possibly helpful. | 15:52 |
| caleb_ | I owe him a beer for starting trouble :) | 15:52 |
| zns | caleb_: do you want to take that action item? Say "No" and I can... | 15:52 |
| jasonpgignac | We wouldn't want developers who are familiar with, say, Amazon, to think the tool is not for them. | 15:53 |
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| caleb_ | annegentle: Thanks for clarifying | 15:53 |
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| zns | #action caleb_ buy adrian_otto a beer | 15:54 |
| walker_ | #action caleb_ buy walker_ beer too | 15:54 |
| caleb_ | At Texas prices. None of that California junk. | 15:54 |
| caleb_ | We done? | 15:54 |
| adrian_otto | ;-) | 15:54 |
| zns | * NOW caleb_ wants to be done... * | 15:54 |
| zns | Yes. Anyone? Anything else? | 15:55 |
| adrian_otto | all set from me. | 15:55 |
| samstav | I'm not qualified to address jasonpgignac's concern… anyone else? | 15:55 |
| caleb_ | I think we should punt all branding decisions until we have addressed more use cases | 15:55 |
| zns | caleb_: I think jasonpgignac has a valid point. Will the logo exclude non-openstack uses? | 15:56 |
| walker_ | I agree with caleb_ on the punt | 15:56 |
| zns | #agreed punt all branding decisions until we have addressed more use cases (no OpenStack logo yet) | 15:56 |
| walker_ | I don't think it is important at this stage | 15:56 |
| hhoover | punt | 15:56 |
| jasonpgignac | *rows the punt* | 15:56 |
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| zns | OK. Thank you all! See you on the internets... | 15:57 |
| zns | #endmeeting | 15:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 17 15:57:34 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-03-17-15.00.html | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-03-17-15.00.txt | 15:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-03-17-15.00.log.html | 15:57 |
| samstav | 👋 | 15:57 |
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| sarob_ | #startmeeting training-manuals | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 17 17:01:08 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' | 17:01 |
| sarob_ | Roll call | 17:01 |
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| sarob_ | Evening | 17:02 |
| matjazp | hi | 17:02 |
| sarob_ | #topic moodle oauth2 discussion with mordred | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "moodle oauth2 discussion with mordred (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 17:03 | |
| matjazp | oauth2 is supported in moodle, but not for Launchpad (or one.ubuntu.com). So some coding is necesarry, no way aroud it. | 17:04 |
| sarob_ | bummer | 17:04 |
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| sarob_ | Ping mordred on openstack-infra ? | 17:05 |
| matjazp | On the other hand, it looks it's not so difficult, so I guess I could try to add it or maybe ping maintainer of that plugin (which is active, last version in fall 2013) if they plan to support/add Launchpad. Maybe OpenStack as a use case is big enough that they will add it if we as them? | 17:06 |
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| matjazp | I looked around for alternatives to Moodle, but as far as I can tell, noone suports Launchpad out if the box. | 17:07 |
| sarob_ | Mordred may already have oauth2 plans | 17:08 |
| sarob_ | Storyboard project to replace parts of launchpad | 17:08 |
| sarob_ | Is being developed | 17:09 |
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| matjazp | So better to extend a relatively maintained plugin (it works on 2.6, I installed it without problems), an alternative (OpenID) is WAY too old (2007?). | 17:09 |
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| sarob_ | Sounds right to me | 17:09 |
| matjazp | So perhaps Mordred has already something developed? | 17:10 |
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| sarob__ | So what's the next step? | 17:11 |
| matjazp | 1. Ping Mordred, if they have something wee need | 17:12 |
| matjazp | 2. If not, ping maintaner of Oauth Moodle plugin, if they plan to support one.ubuntu.com (Launchpad) | 17:12 |
| sarob__ | Think about the storyboard project as well | 17:13 |
| sarob__ | Since it will be replacing part or all of launchpad | 17:13 |
| matjazp | 3. If they won't (or timeframe is unacceptable), we'll have to extend it ourselves (and preferably include it in official version, so it will be maintained?) | 17:13 |
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| matjazp | Aha.. OK, so just step #1 then :) | 17:14 |
| sarob__ | Well I guess it depends | 17:15 |
| matjazp | I'm just looking at Storyboard | 17:16 |
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| sarob__ | We need to coordinate with those timelines | 17:16 |
| matjazp | Didn't you plan to finish Moodle and Quizes by Atlat | 17:17 |
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| matjazp | nta?Atlanta | 17:17 |
| sarob__ | It depends on who I can get focused on the | 17:17 |
| sarob__ | Them | 17:18 |
| sarob__ | I planning creating a sub team for quiz questions | 17:18 |
| matjazp | Questions will be different from those in Training manuals? | 17:19 |
| sarob__ | No same | 17:19 |
| sarob__ | For trainers that only want to do that | 17:20 |
| sarob__ | Action matjazp ping mordred on oath2 infra plans | 17:22 |
| sarob__ | #sarob__ Action matjazp ping mordred on oath2 infra plans | 17:22 |
| sarob__ | Crap | 17:22 |
| sarob__ | #Action matjazp ping mordred on oath2 infra plans | 17:22 |
| sarob__ | Finally | 17:22 |
| sarob__ | #action matjazp else look to moodle oauth maintainer and extending oauth support ourselves | 17:24 |
| sarob__ | Move on? | 17:24 |
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| matjazp | sure | 17:24 |
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| sarob__ | #topic colinmcnamara progress on django lab | 17:25 |
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| sarob__ | sarob__ #topic colinmcnamara progress on django lab | 17:25 |
| sarob__ | #topic colinmcnamara progress on django lab | 17:25 |
| sarob__ | Stupid bouncer | 17:26 |
| sarob__ | Arg | 17:26 |
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| sarob__ | Colinmcnamara around? | 17:26 |
| sarob__ | Any other business? | 17:27 |
| sarob__ | Okay. I'll call this early | 17:28 |
| sarob__ | Ping me if need anything | 17:28 |
| matjazp | ok | 17:28 |
| sarob__ | #endmeeting | 17:28 |
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| sarob_ | #endmeeting | 17:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 17 17:29:41 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-03-17-17.01.html | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-03-17-17.01.txt | 17:29 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 17 20:00:51 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
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| redrobot | Hi everybody! Who's here for the Barbican meeting? Let's see a show of hands | 20:01 |
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| hockeynut | o/ | 20:01 |
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| jraim | o/ | 20:01 |
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| redrobot | alright then... let's wait a couple of minutes to see if anyone else shows up. | 20:02 |
| jvrbanac | o/ | 20:02 |
| chadlung | o/ | 20:03 |
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| lisaclark1 | o/ | 20:04 |
| redrobot | cool, let's get started then. I've updated the agenda for today | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:04 |
| redrobot | #topic Remove RBAC from Version resource | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Remove RBAC from Version resource (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:04 | |
| redrobot | First up on the agenda is removing RBAC from the version resource | 20:05 |
| redrobot | chadlung any updates on that? | 20:05 |
| chadlung | yes | 20:05 |
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| chadlung | I've been troubleshooting Arvind's CR. I think we've isolated the issue. | 20:05 |
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| chadlung | I also added a Blueprint to specify the overall direction of Versions: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/fix-version-api | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/fix-version-api | 20:06 |
| redrobot | is this blueprint separate from arvind's CR? | 20:07 |
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| woodster1 | arvind: your CR will answer the mail on removing RBAC from versions, Chad's bp will address providing version content for that version request | 20:07 |
| chadlung | That would sync us up with how other OpenStack projects are handling versioning output (like Nova, Keystone, Manila) | 20:07 |
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| woodster1 | redrobot: so yes, separate blueprint from arvind's CR | 20:07 |
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| chadlung | That being said, before we work on the versions we probably need to determine if we are sticking with Falcon or moving to Pecan to avoid more effort than needed. | 20:08 |
| atiwari | woodster1, sorry I am late | 20:08 |
| atiwari | which cr? | 20:08 |
| redrobot | #agreed Blueprint will align our version resource with other OpenStack projects | 20:08 |
| woodster1 | your RBAC removal CR | 20:08 |
| atiwari | on version? | 20:08 |
| malini | woodster1: greetings, happy to be joining in | 20:08 |
| woodster1 | yes | 20:08 |
| atiwari | ok | 20:08 |
| woodster1 | malini: welcome back | 20:08 |
| malini | :-) | 20:09 |
| redrobot | atiwari you didn't miss much. chadlung thinks he may have isolated the issue with the DevStack gate | 20:09 |
| woodster1 | atiwari: yes, probably just a devstack tweak needed to your CR to make it pass that gate job. Chad is looking at it | 20:09 |
| kgriffs | chadlung: sorry for the delay in getting our team's Pecan report out to the mailing list; the individual working on that has been swamped, but we are working hard to get that out today | 20:09 |
| redrobot | #agreed We're glad to see malini is back :) | 20:09 |
| atiwari | great | 20:09 |
| atiwari | hi malini | 20:09 |
| redrobot | #action chadlung to work with atiwari to fix gate job issue | 20:10 |
| chadlung | kgriffs: no problem | 20:10 |
| malini | hello! you guys are too nice. | 20:10 |
| woodster1 | kgriffs: thanks for helping with that | 20:11 |
| redrobot | Any other concerns regarding RBAC and the Version resource or can we move on? | 20:11 |
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| codekobe | kgriffs looking forward to reading that report | 20:12 |
| atiwari | guys, I want to introduce arunkant from my team, he is working on bug/1291073 and secret-isolation-at-user-level bp | 20:12 |
| redrobot | ok moving on | 20:12 |
| woodster1 | atiwari: are you ok with approach on completing your RBAC CR? | 20:12 |
| atiwari | sure | 20:12 |
| redrobot | nice to e-meet you arunkant | 20:13 |
| redrobot | #topic DogTag integration | 20:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DogTag integration (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:13 | |
| arunkant | :-) | 20:13 |
| redrobot | I don't see alee here, so I'll update | 20:14 |
| redrobot | Working through getting a DogTag plugin, we've decided that we need to change the Crypto plugin interface | 20:14 |
| redrobot | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/update-crypto-plugin-interface | 20:14 |
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| redrobot | basically this boils down to remove the create() method | 20:15 |
| codekobe | reading blueprint | 20:15 |
| redrobot | and replace it with a generate() method | 20:15 |
| codekobe | so generate is just combining create and encrypt | 20:15 |
| codekobe | into a single call | 20:16 |
| codekobe | ? | 20:16 |
| redrobot | codekobe yes, that's right | 20:16 |
| woodster1 | so the secret creation/generation will be combined with the encrypt step…so the plain text of generated secret doesn't leave the plugin | 20:16 |
| atiwari | as per of api-orders-add-more-types bp I may change the crypto plugin interface | 20:16 |
| codekobe | that makes perfect sense | 20:16 |
| atiwari | as part | 20:16 |
| atiwari | woodster1 ^^^ | 20:17 |
| redrobot | codekobe also, makes it easier for the DogTag plugin to generate secrets | 20:17 |
| redrobot | atiwari do you know what changes are needed? | 20:17 |
| codekobe | Where will the dogtag plugin code live? | 20:17 |
| atiwari | I will let you gus know in next meeting | 20:18 |
| woodster1 | atiwari: it would be better to keep as separate CR from the bp I think | 20:18 |
| redrobot | #action atiwari may need to change the interface further. He'll update next week | 20:18 |
| redrobot | codekobe currently the idea is that the DogTag plugin will live in the Barbican codebase | 20:19 |
| woodster1 | atiwari: the crypto plugin change is relatively simple. The bp will be more involved I think | 20:19 |
| codekobe | is this for adding the "type"attribute to the orders resource? | 20:19 |
| woodster1 | codekobe: yes | 20:19 |
| atiwari | woodster1, so you want api-orders-add-more-types and change crypto plugin interface for api-orders-add-more-types in two cr? | 20:19 |
| atiwari | correct | 20:19 |
| woodster1 | the plugin interface change is one CR by itself I'd think | 20:20 |
| codekobe | redrobot any chance there is a chef cookbook for dogtag | 20:20 |
| woodster1 | the new orders types work is separate work | 20:20 |
| atiwari | ok | 20:20 |
| atiwari | so far I was trying add in one | 20:20 |
| redrobot | codekobe I haven't found any, so I started one. Haven't pushed it out to GitHub yet | 20:20 |
| codekobe | ok, might be useful for integration testing | 20:21 |
| redrobot | codekobe haven't made much progress on it either, so if you're interested I can push up what I have and we can collaborate | 20:21 |
| codekobe | yes, please do | 20:21 |
| woodster1 | atiwari: yeah, the crypto interface change is simple. Teh orders one will be a little more involved I think | 20:21 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot will add a chef-dogtag repository to cloudkeep-ops for a DogTag cookbook | 20:21 |
| atiwari | woodster1 , that is true but so far I have made changes in one for all | 20:22 |
| atiwari | I have to separate them | 20:22 |
| codekobe | futture topic suggestion - chef cookbook sin stackforge | 20:23 |
| woodster1 | atiwari: let's explore that after the meeting in the barbican channel if that's ok | 20:23 |
| atiwari | ok | 20:23 |
| redrobot | codekobe we can talk about that next. This is the last topic I have in the agenda | 20:23 |
| codekobe | ok redrobot | 20:24 |
| redrobot | ok, any other comments/concerns regarding DogTag integration? | 20:24 |
| atiwari | gyee, did you push the barbican client v3 sync for review? | 20:24 |
| gyee | atiwari, not yet, need to finishup the tests today | 20:24 |
| gyee | should be in gerrit later today | 20:24 |
| atiwari | ok | 20:25 |
| redrobot | ok moving on... | 20:25 |
| redrobot | #topic Chef cookbooks in Stackforge | 20:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Chef cookbooks in Stackforge (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:26 | |
| redrobot | codekobe you wanna talk about this? | 20:26 |
| codekobe | So I have noticed there are quite a bit of mature chef cookbooks for deploying openstack services living in stackforge | 20:26 |
| codekobe | Is this something that we are expected to do? | 20:26 |
| redrobot | good question. I don't have an answer for that | 20:27 |
| redrobot | I was browsing the wiki last night and noticed there's an #openstack-chef channel | 20:27 |
| codekobe | i don;t think it would be an urgent action, but it may help get support for allowing these cookbooks to deploy to different platforms | 20:27 |
| codekobe | other than just centos | 20:27 |
| woodster1 | seems like it would make sense to head that way for sure | 20:28 |
| redrobot | #agreed We should aim to provide Barbican cookbooks as part of Stackforge Cookbook effort | 20:28 |
| woodster1 | I don't see any harm in moving to the stackforge org. | 20:28 |
| redrobot | codekobe do you want to look into what would be required on our part? | 20:29 |
| codekobe | sure, I can look into how the current cookbooks are structured | 20:29 |
| woodster1 | you could also contact a committer or two on the existing repos to see if they have suggestions | 20:30 |
| codekobe | I would like to find some of the other cookbooks building on zuul | 20:30 |
| redrobot | #action codekobe will investigate what we will need to contribute to stackforge cookbooks | 20:30 |
| redrobot | codekobe cool, I would also join #openstack-chef and see what those guys are up too | 20:30 |
| codekobe | I am not sure how they are doing that because i don't see Rakefiles | 20:30 |
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| codekobe | but I do see spec tests | 20:30 |
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| codekobe | sounds good redrobot | 20:31 |
| redrobot | alrighty... anything else on this topic? | 20:32 |
| atiwari | yes | 20:32 |
| atiwari | all, I also want to introduce gyee in this forum, he is finishing up #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/barbican-client-has-to-be-keystone-v3.0-complaint. | 20:32 |
| redrobot | welcome gyee | 20:33 |
| woodster1 | gyee: thanks! | 20:33 |
| gyee | hi, look forward to party with your cool guys | 20:33 |
| woodster1 | all: please note that the devstack gate check is enabled now on CRs | 20:33 |
| redrobot | :D | 20:33 |
| * redrobot likes to party | 20:33 | |
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| codekobe | lol party time | 20:33 |
| woodster1 | yes! | 20:34 |
| redrobot | oh yes... thanks for bringing that up woodster1 | 20:34 |
| redrobot | Barbican has two new voting gates now | 20:34 |
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| malini | gyee, glad to see you on barbican and welcome to arunkant | 20:34 |
| redrobot | Python 2.6 and the DevStack gate (previously non-voting) | 20:34 |
| malini | this summit big birthday party for barbican | 20:34 |
| woodster1 | atiwari is familiar with that now :) | 20:34 |
| atiwari | chadlung I will ping you after the meeting | 20:34 |
| redrobot | #topic New Gerrit gates | 20:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New Gerrit gates (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:35 | |
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| redrobot | #note Gerrit now has a Pyhton 2.6 gate | 20:35 |
| redrobot | #note DevStack gate is now a voting gate | 20:35 |
| chadlung | Actually they haven't enabled the voting dsvm gate yet: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/80686/2 | 20:35 |
| lisaclark1 | is the python 2.6 also a voting gate? | 20:35 |
| redrobot | #note oops... DevStack gate will *soon* be a voting gate | 20:36 |
| chadlung | lisaclark1: they all vote now | 20:36 |
| redrobot | lisaclark1 yes, Python 2.6 is a voting gate | 20:36 |
| chadlung | lisaclark1: technically the dsvm one is still non-voting until the CR is approved | 20:36 |
| woodster1 | dstufft: thanks for getting python 2.6 working | 20:37 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/80686/2 is the CR that will make the DevStack gate a voting gate | 20:37 |
| codekobe | all these gates and their opinions! | 20:37 |
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| redrobot | #agreed gates are opinionated | 20:37 |
| redrobot | codekobe just wait til we turn Hacking on | 20:38 |
| woodster1 | gates = control | 20:38 |
| woodster1 | barbican is growing up :) | 20:38 |
| lisaclark1 | gates = green goodness! | 20:38 |
| codekobe | redrobot, I didn't realize hacking was off! | 20:39 |
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| redrobot | codekobe https://github.com/stackforge/barbican/blob/master/tox.ini#L21,L22 | 20:39 |
| redrobot | Ok guys, anything else we would like to talk about for this meeting? | 20:40 |
| codekobe | i'm all out of ideas | 20:40 |
| atiwari | I have one | 20:40 |
| redrobot | atiwari shoot | 20:41 |
| atiwari | how to add topic for summit discussion ? | 20:41 |
| redrobot | #topic Summit Discussions | 20:41 |
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| atiwari | Barbican is not an option in http://summit.openstack.org/ | 20:41 |
| redrobot | atiwari I would guess that no actions have been taken to add Barbican now that we're incubated | 20:42 |
| atiwari | ok | 20:42 |
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| malini | atiwari: add to keystone for the time being | 20:43 |
| redrobot | I think jraim is working on getting Design Sessions scheduled | 20:43 |
| lisaclark1 | jraim had reached out to openstack coordinators to see about adding design sessions for barbican | 20:43 |
| atiwari | redrobot, what is the procedure or time line for Barbican to be main line project | 20:43 |
| redrobot | lisaclark1 jinx! | 20:43 |
| redrobot | atiwari now that we're incubated we have to wait two cycles before applying for graduation | 20:43 |
| redrobot | atiwari so at least a year...? | 20:43 |
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| atiwari | hmm | 20:44 |
| atiwari | ok | 20:44 |
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| woodster1 | (thinks to himself out loud: …maybe if the masses clamor for it sooner…) | 20:45 |
| redrobot | ha! | 20:45 |
| redrobot | we still have a few minutes in this channel. Any other questions/concerns/comments before we finish this meeting? | 20:46 |
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| woodster1 | I'm good | 20:47 |
| malini | redrobot: need to add a chapter on key manager to openstack-security-guide | 20:47 |
| malini | version-1 had a reference to it, now it is time to flesh it out | 20:47 |
| redrobot | #topic Add Barbican to OpenStack Security Guide | 20:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Add Barbican to OpenStack Security Guide (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:47 | |
| redrobot | malini is this something you would like to look into? | 20:48 |
| malini | redrobot: yes, would feel honored to handle it | 20:48 |
| redrobot | #action malini will look into adding a Barbican chapter to the OpenStack security guide | 20:49 |
| redrobot | malini if we can help in any way let us know | 20:49 |
| redrobot | i'm not very familiar with the security guide... I probably need to read up on it. | 20:49 |
| redrobot | also, I'm sure jraim will have some input on that. | 20:50 |
| malini | redrobot, will ping for help, editting etc, you are drafted! | 20:50 |
| redrobot | malini :D | 20:50 |
| woodster1 | malini: thanks for the help (again) | 20:51 |
| malini | Hey, thanks for building barbican, we need it | 20:51 |
| malini | and waiting to see you all at Atlanta! | 20:51 |
| woodster1 | for sure | 20:51 |
| redrobot | alrighty guys, any last minute comments or concerns? | 20:52 |
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| redrobot | ok then, thanks everyone for coming to the meeting. See you guys here again next week. | 20:54 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:54 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 17 20:54:28 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-03-17-20.00.html | 20:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-03-17-20.00.txt | 20:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-03-17-20.00.log.html | 20:54 |
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