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| zaneb | #startmeeting heat | 00:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 17 00:02:48 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zaneb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 00:02 |
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| zaneb | #chair stevebaker | 00:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: stevebaker zaneb | 00:03 |
| stevebaker | \o | 00:03 |
| bgorski | \o | 00:03 |
| spzala | Hi | 00:03 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: chair is yours if you want it. or not, I don't care ;) | 00:04 |
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| stevebaker | oh, ok | 00:04 |
| stevebaker | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 00:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding items to the agenda (Meeting topic: heat)" | 00:04 | |
| stevebaker | I've got a couple of firefighting items | 00:05 |
| wirehead_ | o/ | 00:05 |
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| stevebaker | anything else to add? | 00:05 |
| stevebaker | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282014-04-17_0000_UTC.29 | 00:05 |
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| spzala | seems like people are in easter holidays mood :-) | 00:06 |
| stevebaker | yeah | 00:06 |
| stevebaker | #topic actions from last week | 00:06 |
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| wirehead_ | Yeah, trying to do too much in this meeting might leave people with egg on their face | 00:06 |
| stevebaker | shardy to write first Heat security page wiki | 00:06 |
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| stevebaker | that has been done, but there is still a TODO on the release notes | 00:06 |
| stevebaker | #topic https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Icehouse#OpenStack_Orchestration_.28Heat.29 | 00:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Icehouse#OpenStack_Orchestration_.28Heat.29 (Meeting topic: heat)" | 00:07 | |
| stevebaker | I mean | 00:07 |
| stevebaker | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Icehouse#OpenStack_Orchestration_.28Heat.29 | 00:07 |
| stevebaker | feel free to take a look, add any known issues, correct any features | 00:07 |
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| stevebaker | our icehouse release has been cut, so announcements will happen very soon | 00:08 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: didn't we deprecate some resources? | 00:09 |
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| zaneb | RouterGateway comes to mind | 00:09 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: yes, I think that is the only one | 00:09 |
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| stevebaker | I assume deprecated properties are not release-notes worthy | 00:10 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: could you add that to the Upgrade Notes? | 00:10 |
| stevebaker | #topic https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1306743 | 00:11 |
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| zaneb | #action zaneb to add deprecation of RouterGateway to Release Notes | 00:11 |
| lifeless | oh hai heat ;) | 00:11 |
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| lifeless | stevebaker: I see some progress in analysis | 00:12 |
| stevebaker | so metadata polling currently has a high overhead because we currently need to parse the stack. There are a bunch of ways we could optimise and it would be great if we could all carve off bits of the problem | 00:13 |
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| zaneb | lifeless: are y'all using multiple Heat engines? | 00:14 |
| lifeless | is it amenable to a cache? | 00:14 |
| lifeless | zaneb: not yet | 00:14 |
| asalkeld | +1 to storing the parsed stack to swift | 00:14 |
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| stevebaker | we've never even considered caching, memcached is another option. But I see that as more medium term | 00:15 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: could you take over for a sec, I'll be biab | 00:16 |
| zaneb | sure | 00:16 |
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| lifeless | storing the parsed stack in swift would be a cache, no? | 00:16 |
| asalkeld | yip | 00:17 |
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| zaneb | it's not clear to me that these calls once every 30s are what's causing 300-400 DB requests per second... | 00:18 |
| zaneb | having to load the whole stack is unfortunate, but it doesn't seem like it should be this... disasterous | 00:18 |
| stevebaker | back (sick kid) | 00:18 |
| Qiming | not sure Heat should cache the parsed stack itself rather than relying on other projects | 00:19 |
| stevebaker | I believe memcached is used by other projects for caching, such as keystone | 00:20 |
| stevebaker | Anyway, we're continuing to look into the issue | 00:20 |
| stevebaker | #topic https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1297560 | 00:20 |
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| zaneb | yep, it's been a lot of fund debugging the config option for it >:| | 00:20 |
| zaneb | s/fund/fun/ | 00:20 |
| stevebaker | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1297560 | 00:20 |
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| stevebaker | this one has lead to the heat-slow job becoming non-voting while we figure out why wait conditions time out %50 of the time. So *please* check the reason for any heat-slow failures before +2ing any heat changes | 00:22 |
| stevebaker | #topic Meeting times for the Juno cycle | 00:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Meeting times for the Juno cycle (Meeting topic: heat)" | 00:22 | |
| stevebaker | zaneb: over to you | 00:22 |
| Qiming | sdague asked whether we can have cfntools installed in a cirros | 00:22 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: cheers, and thanks for all your hard work on Juno | 00:23 |
| stevebaker | Qiming: no we can't, but we could have a cirros test which signals with curl. I'll be looking at that | 00:23 |
| asalkeld | or docker tests? | 00:23 |
| asalkeld | much faster | 00:23 |
| zaneb | so, is this meeting time working for us, and do we want to keep it for Juno? | 00:24 |
| asalkeld | (stacks with nova docker driver- when it's back in) | 00:24 |
| stevebaker | This time slot has had mixed success, maybe a slot which works for east-coast, europe and maybe asia would be better | 00:24 |
| asalkeld | +1 from me | 00:24 |
| stevebaker | or at least russia | 00:24 |
| zaneb | I going to go out on a limb and guess that Qiming is based in asia | 00:25 |
| zaneb | but I don't see anyone else from there present | 00:25 |
| zaneb | so it seems like we've lost Europe folks for not much benefit | 00:25 |
| stevebaker | yeah, I was hoping for more of Liang, nanjj | 00:25 |
| zaneb | and west coast US folks seem to struggle with this time too | 00:26 |
| zaneb | wirehead_: I assume this is in the middle of commute time for most? | 00:26 |
| Qiming | stevebaker: it's 8am in the morning here, for Liang and Jun Jie as well | 00:27 |
| stevebaker | #link http://xkcd.com/1335/ | 00:27 |
| wirehead_ | zaneb: it's dangerously close to beer-o-clock. | 00:27 |
| stevebaker | Qiming: I thought it was 9. Do you have DST? | 00:27 |
| wirehead_ | commute hour for the 9to5er | 00:27 |
| zaneb | figures | 00:27 |
| wirehead_ | I mean, I catch the 6pm train, so | 00:27 |
| Qiming | stevebaker: no, we don't. | 00:28 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: no DST in China afaik | 00:28 |
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| zaneb | ok, so if we're agreed the current time is not working that well | 00:28 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: oh well, do you want to experience the pure joy of finding a new time? | 00:29 |
| zaneb | #action zaneb to propose options for alternate meeting times on Mailing List | 00:29 |
| wirehead_ | Heavy is the head that wears the crown | 00:29 |
| wirehead_ | That's one of the mostly-useless pieces of advice a prior manager gave me about management. | 00:29 |
| zaneb | #topic Oslo Liason | 00:29 |
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| zaneb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo/ProjectLiaisons | 00:29 |
| zaneb | this is a new thing ^ | 00:30 |
| zaneb | therve has volunteered | 00:30 |
| zaneb | so y'all are off the hook | 00:30 |
| zaneb | #topic Design Summit sessions | 00:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Design Summit sessions (Meeting topic: heat)" | 00:30 | |
| zaneb | oh ho! | 00:30 |
| stevebaker | I wondered if the full oslo sync might help https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1306743, but I guess not | 00:30 |
| wirehead_ | radix added updates to the one you sent back, zaneb | 00:31 |
| zaneb | wirehead_: ok, thanks, I haven't seen that yet | 00:31 |
| zaneb | #link http://summit.openstack.org/ | 00:31 |
| zaneb | the really interesting link is http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/topic/8 | 00:31 |
| zaneb | but I don't think anyone else can see that | 00:32 |
| wirehead_ | yah | 00:32 |
| stevebaker | :( | 00:32 |
| zaneb | so, every project has lost slots this time | 00:32 |
| zaneb | the good news is way have 8 | 00:32 |
| Qiming | aha, simple page says 'Forbidden' | 00:32 |
| zaneb | same as Portland, one less than Hong Kong | 00:32 |
| zaneb | so, remember if you click on 'Topic' it will sort by topic | 00:33 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: when is the deadline for proposing a session? | 00:33 |
| zaneb | we have 13 sessions proposed | 00:33 |
| zaneb | deadline is this Sunday | 00:33 |
| wirehead_ | 13 sessions enter... 8 leave | 00:33 |
| stevebaker | I'll be adding one | 00:34 |
| asalkeld | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/85 and http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/11 could maybe be merged | 00:34 |
| zaneb | so, at least one genuinely important session WILL be cut | 00:34 |
| bgorski | What do you think about session for template catalog? | 00:34 |
| stevebaker | bgorski: that is a glance thing, surely ;) | 00:34 |
| zaneb | so make sure you have lots of information in yours ;) | 00:34 |
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| bgorski | stevebaker, why glance ? :) | 00:35 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: it's not clear to me that sending notifications and receiving notifications are closely related | 00:36 |
| spzala | stevebaker: thanks for your glance related comment on http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/68 .. will follow up on this. | 00:36 |
| zaneb | one day somebody will quote that out of context | 00:36 |
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| stevebaker | bgorski: the template catalog will be implemented in glance, it will become the project that catalogs all the things (images, templates, solum/murano apps) | 00:37 |
| zaneb | is Rabi Mishra here? | 00:37 |
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| zaneb | evidently not | 00:37 |
| Qiming | stevebaker: IIRC, tuskar intends to store templates on Swift | 00:37 |
| zaneb | I'm just going to reject http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/308 and merge it with http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/86 if no-one objects | 00:38 |
| stevebaker | Qiming: maybe they would store them in glance if they could | 00:38 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: they look quite similar | 00:38 |
| stevebaker | fyi, my session will be about splitting out resources into different source repositories | 00:39 |
| asalkeld | yikes stevebaker | 00:40 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: should these be merged? http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/11 http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/85 | 00:40 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: rejected :D | 00:40 |
| stevebaker | lol | 00:41 |
| asalkeld | I am more inclined to push the resources back into {neutron/nova/cinder} | 00:41 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: asalkeld just asked that | 00:41 |
| zaneb | and I said | 00:41 |
| zaneb | <zaneb> asalkeld: it's not clear to me that sending notifications and receiving notifications are closely related | 00:41 |
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| asalkeld | zaneb it makes sense to talk about them together | 00:42 |
| asalkeld | esp. if we are pushed for time | 00:42 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: can you leave comments to that effect? | 00:42 |
| stevebaker | maybe if the topics are small enough not to need a whole session | 00:43 |
| asalkeld | not suggesting it is the same functional topic | 00:43 |
| asalkeld | k | 00:43 |
| zaneb | the other thing I want to note for y'all is that the design summit is not the *beginning* of the design process | 00:43 |
| zaneb | so you should be proposing stuff on the mailing list... | 00:43 |
| zaneb | socialising the various implementation options | 00:43 |
| zaneb | in preparation for nailing down the details at summit | 00:44 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: as an aside, all the cool kids seem to be moving to git repos and gerrit to review blueprint specs. Something to consider for heat | 00:44 |
| zaneb | and you should also be starting implementation _now_ that Icehouse is released | 00:44 |
| asalkeld | mabe one for the (#ifdef's in the templates?) | 00:44 |
| asalkeld | ;) | 00:44 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: biab again. you can take over the remainder of the meeting | 00:46 |
| zaneb | anyway, if you haven't started the leadup work we will be less inclined to approve your session | 00:46 |
| zaneb | there's motivation for everyone ;) | 00:46 |
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| zaneb | any thoughts about the ops session that shardy proposed? | 00:47 |
| wirehead_ | The beatings will continue until morale improves? | 00:47 |
| zaneb | do we have enough ops people interested? | 00:47 |
| zaneb | wirehead_: you are our designated ops person for the day | 00:47 |
| zaneb | my plan is to roll andrewplunk's heatclient session into that one too | 00:48 |
| wirehead_ | Isn't there a seperate operators summit? | 00:49 |
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| zaneb | there's an ops track at the main summit | 00:49 |
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| zaneb | but this was an initiative to get projects to make space for ops-developer communication at the design summit | 00:49 |
| zaneb | ok, 10 minutes left so let's move on | 00:50 |
| wirehead_ | Doing it as one of the design talk slots feels weird, but we do need to have this discussion. | 00:50 |
| zaneb | #action everyone to submit design summit session proposals by the end of the week | 00:50 |
| zaneb | #topic Heat/Mistral collaboration | 00:51 |
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| wirehead_ | It does overlap with the heatclient | 00:51 |
| zaneb | are the Murano folks here? | 00:51 |
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| zaneb | gokrokve: o/ | 00:52 |
| gokrokve | Hi | 00:52 |
| asalkeld | you mean mistral? | 00:52 |
| asalkeld | tnurlygayanov, .. | 00:52 |
| zaneb | oh, I totally misread that | 00:52 |
| zaneb | thanks | 00:52 |
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| zaneb | gokrokve: sorry. btw, what's Renat's IRC handle? | 00:53 |
| asalkeld | only me and tnurlygayanov in #mistral | 00:53 |
| gokrokve | rakhmerov | 00:53 |
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| gokrokve | But it is deep night for him now | 00:54 |
| asalkeld | maybe next meeting | 00:54 |
| gokrokve | I actually thought that Heat meeting is at 1PM today | 00:54 |
| asalkeld | only 5 mins left | 00:54 |
| zaneb | good point, I wonder why he wanted it on the agenda of this meeting | 00:54 |
| zaneb | #topic Open Discussion | 00:54 |
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| zaneb | any takers? | 00:54 |
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| mspreitz | ill bite | 00:55 |
| mspreitz | I will bite | 00:56 |
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| zaneb | mspreitz: 3 minutes | 00:57 |
| mspreitz | just wanted to post a heads up. I am writing a nova bp for simultaneous sched of server group | 00:57 |
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| mspreitz | would later want to discuss how to use it thru heat | 00:58 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: it would look like a resource to heat? | 00:58 |
| mspreitz | thats all gor now | 00:58 |
| asalkeld | hopefully not just an option to nova.boot | 00:59 |
| asalkeld | so we can track the sub servers | 00:59 |
| asalkeld | or is that totally hidden? | 00:59 |
| mspreitz | dub servers? | 00:59 |
| mspreitz | sub | 00:59 |
| asalkeld | well do we get a server group | 01:00 |
| asalkeld | (resource) | 01:00 |
| mspreitz | yes | 01:00 |
| asalkeld | ok | 01:00 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: this is a different blueprint to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/instance-group-api-extension ? | 01:00 |
| zaneb | time's up | 01:01 |
| zaneb | #endmeeting | 01:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 17 01:01:18 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-04-17-00.02.html | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-04-17-00.02.txt | 01:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-04-17-00.02.log.html | 01:01 |
| zaneb | thanks everybody | 01:01 |
| zaneb | -> #heat | 01:01 |
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| wirehead_ | I held off on my suggestion to use the last minute to view lolcats. | 01:01 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 17 15:02:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:02 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | hi | 15:02 |
| shamail | Hi everyone. | 15:02 |
| rraja | hi | 15:02 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | hey in case some of you weren't aware, there are no more unconference sessions | 15:03 |
| bswartz | at the design summit, there is now a dedicated track for "other projects" | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/341 | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | I'm not sure how the organizers pick and schedule submissions for the other projects track | 15:04 |
| bswartz | does anyone know? | 15:04 |
| xyang1 | I think one project only gets one slot | 15:04 |
| bswartz | yes one reason for the new system is to prevent unoffiicial projects from taking 2 or more slots | 15:05 |
| xyang1 | projects closely related to openstack will be given high priority | 15:05 |
| xyang1 | so I think Manila should be able to get one slot | 15:05 |
| bswartz | I hope we get at least 1 slot and it hope the time doesn't conflict with anything | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | #topic dev status | 15:06 |
| shamail | I wonder who/where we have to post with. | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | shamail: see my link above | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | Dev status: | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | 1) volume types for multibackend support | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | db changes: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87975/ | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | api changes: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88282/ | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | status: work in progress | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | 2) list of services | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | manila: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88300/ | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | client: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88232/ | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | status: work in progress | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | 3) Horizon, unittests has been implemented | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | bp: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/horizon-integration | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | code: #link https://github.com/NetApp/horizon/tree/manila | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | status: beta-available | 15:07 |
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| vponomaryov | that's all | 15:07 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: thank you | 15:08 |
| bswartz | so the horizon stuff is more or less ready to use | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | please file bugs if you find any | 15:08 |
| bswartz | I guess we should file them against manila even though the bugs would be in the horizon code... | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | yes, but further should be added volume types support, etc | 15:08 |
| bswartz | there was a lot of discussion earlier this week on how volume types should work with mutlibackend and relationships between share-networks and SVMs | 15:09 |
| bswartz | I'll state my position in case anyone feels that we need to discuss it | 15:10 |
| bswartz | Whether manila creates an SVM for any given new share is an implementation detail that should be hidden from the user | 15:10 |
| bswartz | Manila should attempt to reuse existing SVMs where possible but it is valid to create a new SVM for every share if needed | 15:11 |
| bswartz | and there will be cases where having multiple SVMs for a single share-network will be unavoidable, due to volume_types | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | for reference, SVM = "service VM" or "storage VM" (on netapp) | 15:12 |
| bswartz | there is one complication here though | 15:12 |
| bswartz | while we'd like to keep SVMs as an implementation detail hidden inside the backends, it's not possible to efficiently reuse them if the schedules doesn't know about them | 15:13 |
| bswartz | we need to come up with a design that allows the schedulers to make the right decisions w.r.t. reusing SVMs while avoiding exposing too much of the details of the backend to the scheduler | 15:13 |
| bswartz | I don't have a solution to that problem yet | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | deleting SVMs will be up the backends as well -- the default behaviour should be to delete them immediately when they're no longer needed, although one could imagine an optimizaiton that made deletion lazy | 15:15 |
| bswartz | I'm not a fan of optimizing prematurely, so we'll implement that only if needed | 15:15 |
| bswartz | any comments? | 15:16 |
| shamail | Couldn't that detail be handled by the driver implementation? E.g. It decides whether a new SVM is needed. | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | also one problem: request for deletion/update of share-network - we need to know are we allowed to do it at request time or not | 15:16 |
| shamail | SVM = vFiler or am I misunderstanding the term? | 15:16 |
| bswartz | shamail: yes, I want the driver to be free to create or reuse at its own discretion | 15:16 |
| bswartz | shamail: a vfiler is one form of SVM -- we also call them vservers in our newer software | 15:16 |
| shamail | True, thanks. | 15:17 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: I think we agreed that we will deny deletion requests if any shares exist | 15:17 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: we should also deny updates if they would be disruptive to existing shares | 15:18 |
| shamail | Couldn't the BE provide available VIF information to the scheduler? Then SVM could be created or reused based on VIF availability by the driver. | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | the backend will need to provide something to the scheduler, but I'm not sure what | 15:19 |
| shamail | I hear you. | 15:19 |
| bswartz | and this discussion is also closely tied to the gateway-based multitenancy solution as well | 15:20 |
| bswartz | because if the scheduler chooses a glusterfs backend (for example) then manila will need to create a gateway SVM to provide multitenancy | 15:21 |
| bswartz | there will be situations where there may be 2 drivers running at the same time | 15:23 |
| bswartz | one multitenant aware and the other not (say netapp and glusterfs, for example) | 15:23 |
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| shamail | Do you think this is something that could be hinted via extra_spec type functionality? | 15:23 |
| bswartz | the scheduler should not prefer one or the other based on multitenancy requirements -- preference should be up to the administrator | 15:24 |
| bswartz | however once a share is created and an SVM exists, then future shares should reuse the SVM if possible | 15:24 |
| bswartz | shamail: no because this isn't some static attribute | 15:24 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: do we keep in mind, that in future can be more that one SVM for one share-network and one backend? | 15:25 |
| bswartz | at any given time a bunch of SVMs will exist for various share-networks and that mapping will be constantly changing | 15:25 |
| shamail | Great point. | 15:26 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: yes absolutey | 15:26 |
| shamail | I'll have to think over this offline a bit. I'll let you know if anything comes to mind. | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | absolutely* | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | when should be created second SVm and not reused first one? | 15:26 |
| bswartz | I suspect that manila itself may need to track SVMs in the database, but only in a way that's vendor-neutral | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: if the existing SVM cannot support the requested volume_type, for example | 15:27 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: or if the existing SVM has no available capacity | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | in both cases it may be possible to create another SVM on teh same backend, or manila may need to go to another backend | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | I'm leaning towards having some generic concept of a SVM tracked within manila, with some admin-only mangement commands | 15:29 |
| bswartz | that way the scheduler will have access to the information | 15:29 |
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| shamail | bswartz: +1 we need the information but it shouldn't have as much relevance for users. | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | rraja: is this compatible with your thinking on gateway-based multitenancy? | 15:30 |
| bswartz | shamail: yes it should be completely hidden from the users | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | I may have to check back with rraja later | 15:33 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:33 | |
| bswartz | okay any other topics? | 15:33 |
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| bswartz | sounds like nothing else today | 15:34 |
| bswartz | thanks everyone | 15:34 |
| vponomaryov | thanks | 15:34 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:35 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 17 15:35:04 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-04-17-15.02.html | 15:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-04-17-15.02.txt | 15:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-04-17-15.02.log.html | 15:35 |
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| evgeniyl | Hi | 15:59 |
| bogdando | hello all | 16:00 |
| vkozhukalov | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 17 16:00:14 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vkozhukalov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:00 |
| vkozhukalov | #chair vkozhukalov | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: vkozhukalov | 16:00 |
| meow-nofer_ | hello | 16:00 |
| bogdando | hi | 16:00 |
| vkozhukalov | Hey everyone | 16:00 |
| mihgen | рш | 16:00 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic Greeting, announcements | 16:01 |
| meow-nofer_ | #armchair meow-nofer | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Greeting, announcements (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:01 | |
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| mihgen | hi folks, let's start | 16:01 |
| mihgen | agenda is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:01 |
| aglarendil | hi | 16:01 |
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| mihgen | We are in feature freeze phase | 16:01 |
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| vkozhukalov | afaiu mihgen is going to tell a bit about Feature freeze & exceptions status | 16:01 |
| mihgen | there are a few exceptions we are still working on | 16:01 |
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| vkozhukalov | mihgen: thx for coping link to agenda | 16:02 |
| mihgen | icehouse support was just merged, and pkgs mirrors are being synced now | 16:02 |
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| mattymo | hi - forgot to greet saying I'm here | 16:02 |
| xarses | here | 16:02 |
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| dpyzhov | hi | 16:02 |
| rvyalov | hi | 16:02 |
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| AndreyDanin | hi | 16:03 |
| mihgen | so everyone who doesn't participate in those exceptions, please jump into bugs | 16:03 |
| dshulyak | hi | 16:03 |
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| ikalnitsky | hi | 16:03 |
| mihgen | also, FYI, I've significantly restructured wiki page | 16:03 |
| mihgen | wiki.openstack.org/wiki/fuel | 16:03 |
| mihgen | so please check it out, and keep watching it, update architecture, etc. when you change it :) | 16:03 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel | 16:03 |
| vkozhukalov | ok, mihgen thanks for update | 16:04 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic Activities updates & questions | 16:04 |
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| christopheraedo | hello | 16:05 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic icehouse status | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "icehouse status (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:05 | |
| vkozhukalov | so, how about status? | 16:05 |
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| aglarendil | hi, guys. Icehouse has been merged into master branch along with packages | 16:05 |
| aglarendil | we are fighting some issues now | 16:05 |
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| aglarendil | you can filter them by icehouse tag here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bugs?field.tag=icehouse | 16:06 |
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| mihgen | in simple mode neutron & nova-network should work | 16:06 |
| aglarendil | most of them do already have requests on review | 16:06 |
| aglarendil | HA mode is not working for a while. But multinode should | 16:06 |
| aglarendil | my estimate that HA should be working as soon as fixes for corresponding bugs are merged | 16:07 |
| vkozhukalov | are we going to fix HA mode in the nearest future? | 16:07 |
| vkozhukalov | ah, ok | 16:07 |
| aglarendil | If the fixes are merged today, then yes | 16:07 |
| vkozhukalov | ok, moving on | 16:08 |
| aglarendil | the nearest future is 12-24h | 16:08 |
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| vkozhukalov | #topic ISO build scripts, packages builds | 16:08 |
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| dpyzhov | I’m going to remove eggs/gems from mirrors and master node tomorrow | 16:08 |
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| dpyzhov | Testing started today and it works | 16:08 |
| mihgen | so we gonna have RPMs only on master node, right? | 16:08 |
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| dpyzhov | But it should be re-checked after icehouse merge | 16:08 |
| mihgen | or there are gonna be any exceptions? | 16:08 |
| mattymo | dpyzhov, if you don't mind me asking - we still have gems in our node installation kickstart in master | 16:08 |
| dpyzhov | rpm/deb | 16:09 |
| vkozhukalov | and it will be in 5.0, right? | 16:09 |
| dpyzhov | Yes | 16:09 |
| vkozhukalov | great | 16:09 |
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| mihgen | it's actually dependent for fuel upgrades feature | 16:09 |
| vkozhukalov | any other updates on this topic? | 16:09 |
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| mihgen | dpyzhov: we will need docs for it for sure :) | 16:09 |
| mattymo | vkozhukalov, that's me | 16:10 |
| vkozhukalov | moving on | 16:10 |
| mattymo | Puppet code has been more or less finalized for all services. Separation of each component of Fuel node is ready and each service functions | 16:10 |
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| vkozhukalov | #topic fuel master node upgrade status | 16:10 |
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| mattymo | the remaining loose ends are related to a few configuration parameters for mcollective and cobbler | 16:10 |
| evgeniyl | Hi | 16:10 |
| evgeniyl | I’m working on upgrade scripts, akasatkin and warpc are working on backend part (nailgun/orchestrator), so right now I’m trying to build all containers for all services, to test my scripts, we don’t have ready Dockerfiles and I try to make it work, it takes some time, I builded several services, and I hope tomorrow I will have all services. | 16:11 |
| mattymo | CentOS deploys, but has an mcollective bug. Ubuntu fails due to processing preseed | 16:11 |
| meow-nofer_ | hi | 16:11 |
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| evgeniyl | akasatkin: are you here? | 16:11 |
| akasatkin | hi | 16:11 |
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| evgeniyl | Could you please provide status of backend part? | 16:11 |
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| mattymo | Sergii Golovatiuk and Alexander Didenko have been working on updating our ISO build scripts to build docker containers and bundle them in a new deployment script. It should be finished in the next 24 hrs | 16:12 |
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| akasatkin | we're agreed on entities and their placement for upgrade and update. I'm fixing upgrade part now. | 16:12 |
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| mihgen | mattymo: cool. are there any blockers or risky items still? | 16:12 |
| evgeniyl | Does Alexander have ready to use Dockerfile's? | 16:12 |
| mattymo | ubuntu, but I'm 99% sure it's not the fault of any of the services, but instead I didn't rebase my server to the new ubuntu release | 16:13 |
| mattymo | evgeniyl, yes | 16:13 |
| evgeniyl | Looks like I have a bit outdated Dockerfiles and I have to fix them. | 16:13 |
| akasatkin | I'm going to finish it today. | 16:13 |
| mattymo | evgeniyl, just write me and we'll set you up | 16:13 |
| mihgen | mattymo: what about ubuntu? | 16:14 |
| mihgen | why is it in the picture? | 16:14 |
| mattymo | mihgen, because we need to deploy openstack still :) | 16:14 |
| mihgen | well how is it related to the work you do? | 16:14 |
| mihgen | cobbler misconfig / repos? | 16:14 |
| mattymo | it's related because I can't deploy an openstack environment yet because of broken items above: mcollective, cobbler parameters, and preseed bug in ubuntu | 16:14 |
| mihgen | mattymo: evgeniyl what's gonna be docker version finally? | 16:15 |
| mattymo | 0.10.0 | 16:15 |
| mihgen | ok cool. mattymo - pls share bug to preseed when you get time, I want to take a look | 16:15 |
| mattymo | Alexander Didenko found a bug in my commit for docker puppet class I wrote that led to docker breaking. He's proposed a fix and it's waiting on merge | 16:15 |
| mihgen | ok. is it all on fuel upgrades? | 16:16 |
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| vkozhukalov | ok, moving on | 16:16 |
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| mattymo | yes, move on | 16:16 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic Fuel CI status | 16:16 |
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| bookwar | hi | 16:17 |
| vkozhukalov | bookwar: hi | 16:17 |
| vkozhukalov | what about ci? | 16:17 |
| mihgen | Fuel CI works ;) | 16:17 |
| bookwar | it grows | 16:17 |
| vkozhukalov | mihgen: )) | 16:17 |
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| mihgen | http://fuel-jenkins.vm.mirantis.net:8080/ I see :) | 16:17 |
| bookwar | this week we've got new server, and we plan to get one more till the end of the week | 16:17 |
| vkozhukalov | bookwar: any details? | 16:17 |
| vkozhukalov | ok | 16:18 |
| mihgen | sorry wrong link, right one: https://fuel-jenkins.mirantis.com/ | 16:18 |
| mihgen | what about ISO we use for library testing? | 16:18 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://fuel-jenkins.mirantis.com/ | 16:18 |
| bookwar | unfortunately the number of jobs grows as well | 16:18 |
| bookwar | currently we use icehouse iso 409 | 16:18 |
| mihgen | bookwar: it's actually good, it means we have more contributions ) | 16:18 |
| mihgen | ok. so all new patches are gonna be verified by new icehouse iso, right? | 16:19 |
| bookwar | yes, we test them against icehouse now | 16:19 |
| mihgen | as far as I know we had to disable HA check there, as it doesn't work anyway due to bug | 16:19 |
| angdraug | any plans about https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1308010 ? | 16:19 |
| mihgen | so it's gonna be only multi-node pass now, right? | 16:19 |
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| bookwar | but we plan to have new merged iso tonight so we won't need the separate test for that | 16:19 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1308010 | 16:20 |
| angdraug | mihgen: last I checked it was a single-controller ha lately | 16:20 |
| bookwar | right now we test icehouse on centos with simple multinode setup | 16:20 |
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| mihgen | so Fuel CI should correctly +1 good patches which work on multimode, right? | 16:21 |
| bookwar | mihgen: yes | 16:21 |
| mihgen | cool | 16:21 |
| mihgen | thanks | 16:21 |
| vkozhukalov | ok | 16:21 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic Ironic + Fuel status | 16:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ironic + Fuel status (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:21 | |
| mihgen | angdraug: what single-controller HA? in Fuel CI? yep, I think so.. | 16:22 |
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| vkozhukalov | the majority of work about ironic integration is around ironic agent | 16:22 |
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| vkozhukalov | flow extension patch from agordeev is merged https://review.openstack.org/#/c/85412/ | 16:23 |
| mihgen | as far as I heard, Ironic doesn't want LVM partitioning to be part of the agent, right? | 16:23 |
| vkozhukalov | after some discussion with others it was decided not to support lvm in agent (abandoned request) | 16:23 |
| vkozhukalov | mihgen: yes, it is true | 16:23 |
| mihgen | ok. we still need it in Fuel, it should be implemented somewhere | 16:23 |
| vkozhukalov | actually our use cases can be covered with metadisk (MD) feature | 16:23 |
| mihgen | any ideas on this? | 16:23 |
| mihgen | hmm what about volume group for cinder, for instacne | 16:24 |
| vkozhukalov | it is not very big problem as far as we can implement managing lvm in puppet wherever we really need it | 16:24 |
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| vkozhukalov | we can create empty space for allocating vg and then create it during puppet stage | 16:24 |
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| mihgen | vkozhukalov: ok | 16:24 |
| vkozhukalov | right now working on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic/+spec/ironic-python-agent-partition | 16:25 |
| mihgen | vkozhukalov: have you looked at actual integration with Fuel | 16:25 |
| vkozhukalov | disk utils parts is still under review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86163/ | 16:25 |
| mihgen | I know you had POC working with keystone & ironic deployed on fuel master node | 16:25 |
| vkozhukalov | mihgen: no, agent is not still working | 16:25 |
| vkozhukalov | rackspace guys have made several requests about ironic driver for agent | 16:25 |
| vkozhukalov | it is still under review | 16:26 |
| mihgen | vkozhukalov: ok. so for now there is 0 work done in terms of integration? | 16:26 |
| vkozhukalov | mihgen: yes, POC works, but it is not very functional w/o agent | 16:26 |
| vkozhukalov | we have puppet module to deploy ironic, we'll need to modify it a bit | 16:27 |
| vkozhukalov | we have ruby binding for ironic | 16:27 |
| vkozhukalov | so we need working agent | 16:27 |
| vkozhukalov | and as far as i understand our discovering flow will change | 16:28 |
| vkozhukalov | because it is supposed to use agent for discovering | 16:28 |
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| vkozhukalov | and nailgun will need to ask ironic about available nodes | 16:28 |
| mihgen | vkozhukalov: ok. we need to start design doc about it | 16:29 |
| vkozhukalov | any other questions? | 16:29 |
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| mihgen | I don't have any more high level question on this topic | 16:30 |
| bogdando | Non backward compatible changes should be avoided, may be we should add new discovery flow, not change?.. | 16:30 |
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| vkozhukalov | #action vkozhukalov will create design doc for integration ironic with fuel | 16:30 |
| mihgen | bogdando: well these are details already…. we need to look into details, to get it | 16:30 |
| bogdando | consider it at design docs please | 16:30 |
| mihgen | and discuss this in the design doc I believe | 16:30 |
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| vkozhukalov | moving on | 16:30 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic VCenter integration status | 16:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "VCenter integration status (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:31 | |
| AndreyDanin | There are four pull requests on review. | 16:31 |
| AndreyDanin | And modified cirros images have merged to our repo. | 16:32 |
| angdraug | mihgen: here's an example of single-controller ha in fuel-ci: https://fuel-jenkins.mirantis.com/job/master_fuellib_review_systest_ubuntu/457/ | 16:32 |
| mihgen | already merged? | 16:32 |
| AndreyDanin | We have a lot of restrictions which force us to make ugly hacks in UI. | 16:32 |
| mihgen | AndreyDanin: hacks do not sound any good | 16:33 |
| AndreyDanin | mihgen, I mean cirros.vmdk images packed into rpm and deb. | 16:33 |
| mihgen | I hope we can avoid many by simplifying use case somehow | 16:33 |
| mihgen | AndreyDanin: so it's different package, right? | 16:33 |
| mihgen | vk: are you around? I suggest to use simplest and fast solution, instead of making beautiful but very hacky | 16:34 |
| mihgen | it's A part of the integration, let's make it better in B… | 16:34 |
| AndreyDanin | We can move all vCenter stuff to separate Releases. It will allow us to implement some of these restrictions by Release metadata. | 16:34 |
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| vk | mihgen, we're trying, but we are still getting more and more additional requirement | 16:34 |
| vk | the last one i got 20 min ago | 16:35 |
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| AndreyDanin | mihgen, vCenter uses vmdk images, not qcow or raw images. We have to repack cirros to vmdk format. | 16:35 |
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| mihgen | vk: please involve me in the discussion. Let's make it simple but working at least for A part | 16:35 |
| xarses | AndreyDanin: mihgen thats what I proposed, but David E. and Roman A made it sound like using a seperate release was off the table. Let's re-raise it if it makes it much cleaner | 16:35 |
| xarses | AndreyDanin: cant we just use the image tools to convert it on the fly? | 16:36 |
| mihgen | it's gonna be 10x more complex then and buggy | 16:36 |
| mihgen | I bet it's something they don't consider | 16:36 |
| mihgen | xarses: if we can explain how much pain it is, then it would go easier I believe | 16:36 |
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| vkozhukalov | ok guy, moving on | 16:37 |
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| vkozhukalov | #topic openstack update | 16:37 |
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| akasatkin | Patching of OpenStack. I keep related PRs up-to-date. There are some changes to be introduced after today's discussions. But I don't know for sure do we plan to include update API in 5.0. API and UI are to be tested after these changes. Library part seems to be in good state. | 16:37 |
| AndreyDanin | xarses, maybe we can use such tools. I didn't test it. We just repacked cirros and put it to a separate package. | 16:37 |
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| mihgen | patching of openstack is out, we missed FF date, and it was not any complete | 16:38 |
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| mihgen | akasatkin: so I don't consider to land web part of patching into master | 16:38 |
| akasatkin | ok | 16:38 |
| vkozhukalov | moving on | 16:39 |
| mihgen | however the part required for fuel upgrades, such as repos versioning, should definitely go | 16:39 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic Blueprints which need to be updated | 16:39 |
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| vkozhukalov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/relocate-haproxy-to-its-own-network-namespace | 16:39 |
| mihgen | xenolog is not around | 16:39 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: what's the status ^^ | 16:39 |
| mihgen | it's actually merged as far as I know | 16:40 |
| mihgen | so I'm wondering if we can close it | 16:40 |
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| vkozhukalov | I believe it is done | 16:40 |
| aglarendil | why are we discussing this blueprint? | 16:40 |
| aglarendil | it was discussed 2 weeks ago | 16:40 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: we need to update the status | 16:40 |
| vkozhukalov | because it is in agenda | 16:40 |
| xarses | well if we cant upgrade openstack, we can upgrade fuel to upgrade openstack =) | 16:40 |
| aglarendil | and it was merged more than 2 weeks ago | 16:40 |
| mihgen | I believe it's done | 16:40 |
| mihgen | it's merged, but status is not updated | 16:40 |
| aglarendil | ok. update the status - blueprint is merged | 16:40 |
| mihgen | updated | 16:41 |
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| vkozhukalov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/linux-bonding | 16:41 |
| mihgen | let's move on | 16:41 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: you are again the most aware on this when we don't see xenolog | 16:41 |
| aglarendil | linux-bonding is also merged | 16:41 |
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| vkozhukalov | aglarendil: ok | 16:41 |
| mihgen | should we close this one, and create separate for 5.1 for web part? | 16:41 |
| aglarendil | I think so | 16:42 |
| mihgen | ok | 16:42 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/refactor-logging-puppet-openstack-services | 16:42 |
| aglarendil | there may be some bugs as we did not run all the acceptance testing, but they should be opened as bugs | 16:42 |
| bogdando | I've updated the status of BP. The progress now is good (no more blockers with IceHouse ISO to finish it and test results) | 16:42 |
| bogdando | I've as well fixed the Py26 compatibility issue in Oslo | 16:42 |
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| bogdando | which was discovered in Centos | 16:42 |
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| bogdando | now I'm gonna finish to implement stage 2 of BP | 16:43 |
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| mihgen | so we need to postpone it to 5.1 then | 16:43 |
| vkozhukalov | bogdando: great | 16:43 |
| mihgen | we are in FF phase | 16:43 |
| mihgen | logs are important, I was hitting a few strange things last days... | 16:44 |
| bogdando | mihgen, we could but this is a fix, not a feature to be freezed... | 16:44 |
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| mihgen | do we have bug or should we then just wait a little fix from you? | 16:44 |
| bogdando | I will submit the final patch for fuel-library today, I hope | 16:45 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/murano-update-services-json | 16:45 |
| bogdando | or tomorrow | 16:45 |
| mihgen | bogdando: if it's gonna be big, then just forget about it ;) | 16:45 |
| mihgen | we need time to stabilize already unstable master... | 16:45 |
| mihgen | anyone is aware of murano-update bp? | 16:46 |
| mihgen | I see one patch into FL: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86022/ | 16:46 |
| mihgen | sorry to OSTF | 16:46 |
| mihgen | ok, so let's move on | 16:47 |
| vkozhukalov | ok, as far as we don't have people here who knows something about | 16:47 |
| vkozhukalov | moving on | 16:47 |
| mihgen | I'll follow up with them | 16:47 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/doc-change-fueladmin-net-on-the-fly | 16:47 |
| mihgen | rmoe: do you plan to work on that ^^ | 16:48 |
| vkozhukalov | rmoe assigned this bp | 16:48 |
| mihgen | or should we move it? | 16:48 |
| vkozhukalov | moving on | 16:49 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic Bugs | 16:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:49 | |
| vkozhukalov | any updates? | 16:49 |
| mihgen | ok, so as we merged icehouse, we gonna see a lot of them | 16:50 |
| xarses | mihgen: it's was going to part of the multiple-cluster-network changes it should be for 5.1 | 16:50 |
| mihgen | now we have about 8 criticals | 16:50 |
| mihgen | we need to urgently take a look into: http://fuel-launchpad.mirantis.com/project/fuel/bug_table_for_status/Open/5.0 | 16:50 |
| aglarendil | ? | 16:50 |
| vkozhukalov | #link http://fuel-launchpad.mirantis.com/project/fuel/bug_table_for_status/Open/5.0 | 16:50 |
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| mihgen | and even more important, keep watching for new bugs and confirm/triage them shortly http://fuel-launchpad.mirantis.com/project/fuel/bug_table_for_status/New/None | 16:50 |
| vkozhukalov | #link http://fuel-launchpad.mirantis.com/project/fuel/bug_table_for_status/New/None | 16:51 |
| mihgen | xarses: are you about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/doc-change-fueladmin-net-on-the-fly ? | 16:51 |
| xarses | mihgen: yes | 16:51 |
| mihgen | ok I changed milestone | 16:52 |
| mihgen | can you add dependency please? | 16:52 |
| mihgen | I ddn't know it was dependent | 16:52 |
| mihgen | #link https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fbugs.launchpad.net%2Ffuel%2F%2Bbugs%3Forderby%3Ddate_last_updated%26field.status%253Alist%3DINPROGRESS%26assignee_option%3Dany&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFcQnnjCGFyutlovHYM0Ks8t9tx-A | 16:52 |
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| xarses | mihgen: I don't have permissions to because i didn't create it | 16:52 |
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| mihgen | here you can find all staled In progress bugs we need to sort it out | 16:53 |
| mihgen | ok I'll create a dependency graph for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/doc-change-fueladmin-net-on-the-fly | 16:54 |
| mihgen | to link it with multiple-cluster-network | 16:54 |
| angdraug | I've added dependency | 16:54 |
| vkozhukalov | #action mihgen creates a dependency graph for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/doc-change-fueladmin-net-on-the-fly | 16:54 |
| vkozhukalov | 5 mins for open discussion | 16:54 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic Open discussion | 16:54 |
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| evgeniyl | #link http://www.mail-archive.com/fuel-dev@lists.launchpad.net/msg00697.html | 16:55 |
| evgeniyl | We had a discussion about migration files. | 16:55 |
| evgeniyl | My suggestion was to have a single migration file per release | 16:55 |
| vkozhukalov | evgeniyl: but everyone else is against, right? | 16:56 |
| evgeniyl | Not everyone. | 16:56 |
| mihgen | if it simplifies life, why everyone is against? | 16:56 |
| mihgen | I agree with evgeniyl that we don't need migrations files before 5.0 | 16:56 |
| evgeniyl | I had arguments against single file per patch. | 16:56 |
| evgeniyl | There will be a lot of organizational problems | 16:57 |
| mihgen | at all. And to me it looks like we need for every patch we release, no often | 16:57 |
| salmon_ | it's easier to have many files. If you want to have one file, someone needs to prepare it | 16:57 |
| xarses | I think if we are only going to maintain one file per release, then I don't know if we need to maintain current file since we can just make one at the end of the release | 16:57 |
| meow-nofer_ | I'm not against having one file per release | 16:57 |
| meow-nofer_ | but I'm against keeping it all in one file dusing development process | 16:57 |
| meow-nofer_ | *during | 16:57 |
| evgeniyl | then we need a person who will merge all of this files at the end of release | 16:58 |
| meow-nofer_ | we need just a simplest script | 16:58 |
| xarses | evgeniyl: no, jut drop the intermediate files, and generate a new migration | 16:58 |
| evgeniyl | I don't think that simple script can solve this problem | 16:58 |
| meow-nofer_ | xarses, no, this won't work so easy | 16:58 |
| evgeniyl | xarses: alembic can't generate migartion file automatically | 16:58 |
| meow-nofer_ | evgeniyl, actually, it can :) | 16:58 |
| salmon_ | sure it can | 16:59 |
| evgeniyl | So, my suggestion at least squash all migration file in a single fuel_5.0.py file | 16:59 |
| vkozhukalov | evgeniyl: xarses: it can but it is not 100% working | 16:59 |
| mihgen | folks let's move the discussion to #fuel-dev… | 16:59 |
| meow-nofer_ | right now I'm agree with evgeniyl about merging it all into one 5.0 file | 16:59 |
| mihgen | I assume this channel is gonna be used for next meeting | 16:59 |
| evgeniyl | salmon_: it cannot add new type of valume for enum for example | 16:59 |
| vkozhukalov | yes, lets go on this discussion in mail list | 17:00 |
| vkozhukalov | ending meeting, thanks everyone | 17:00 |
| mihgen | welcome to continue it in #fuel-dev right now | 17:00 |
| vkozhukalov | #endmeeting Fuel | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 17 17:00:32 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-04-17-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-04-17-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-04-17-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| banix | hi | 17:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: hi | 17:31 |
| thinrichs | Hi all | 17:31 |
| rkukura | hi | 17:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | thinrichs rkukura: hi | 17:31 |
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| Kanzhe | hi | 17:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | not sure if mestery is planning to join today | 17:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Kanzhe: hi | 17:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets give it another minute or so for | 17:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | dont see stephen prasad hemanth mandeep either | 17:33 |
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| hemanthravi | hi | 17:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: hi, just waiting for you to join | 17:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: hi | 17:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok probably mestery wont be here | 17:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets get started | 17:34 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: sorry - I went into openstack-meeting-3 first | 17:34 |
| banix | found s3wong wondering in a wrong alley | 17:34 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam: prasad won't make it....was up all night for some deadline | 17:34 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: I will listen in amongst other meetings. :) | 17:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yeah, i hope we are in the right channel | 17:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: ok | 17:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 17:34 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 17 17:34:37 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:34 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #info New blueprint review process in effect | 17:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | most of you already know this, but just for the record | 17:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic GP Blueprint | 17:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so it seems like we will have to resubmit our blueprint into gerrit as well | 17:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | kind of frustrating since it has been reviewed over and over again over the past several months | 17:36 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: Yes. You are going to do that? :-) | 17:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hopefully we will have a quicker turnaround on this | 17:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: i started collecting some of the material and stuffing it into the template | 17:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: will run it by you guys | 17:37 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: Sure. Thanks! | 17:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: or we can directly go to the gerrit review itself | 17:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am not sure about the level of detail that is expected in this new process | 17:37 |
| banix | can others update the document once submitted to gerrit or it should be by whoever submits it | 17:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i see that most blueprints have an average of about 250 lines | 17:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: it should be possible to push a patch | 17:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | as in anyone should be able to do it | 17:38 |
| banix | ok thx | 17:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it will help to have some coordination thought | 17:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *though | 17:38 |
| banix | yup | 17:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: this is just like another code patch | 17:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mechanics remain the same | 17:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: actually you already uploaded a patch, so i am preaching to the choir :-) | 17:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i will try to get the first iteration out at the earliest | 17:39 |
| banix | ok thanks | 17:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe rkukura was going to suggest a change to the review template in terms of how the REST API details are captured | 17:40 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: cool | 17:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i thought i would wait for that | 17:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | else, documenting each and every API call for every resource would just blow up the document | 17:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any more thoughts, questions, on this? | 17:41 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Is a table easy enough to do in RST format? | 17:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i was hoping to piggy back on the table you would create :-P | 17:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i was going to suggest that keep the columns wide enough | 17:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i dont think asciiflow will help there | 17:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: perhaps there is a tool for ascii tables but i am not aware | 17:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | anyone know? | 17:42 |
| thinrichs | There's definitely support for tables built into RST. Don't remember the details. | 17:42 |
| rkukura | looking into it | 17:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | thinrichs: ah, thanks, guesses as much | 17:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *guessed | 17:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on | 17:43 |
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| rkukura | http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickref.html#tables | 17:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: great, thanks | 17:44 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I’ll propose a patch to the template with an example table. | 17:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: great thanks, i was thinking if plain text might better for in place review | 17:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | not sure | 17:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Group Policy Wiki | 17:45 |
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| s3wong | Yes. If it isn't plain text, difficult to do gerrit review | 17:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so far we were putting everything into the meeting wiki page | 17:46 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: yeah need to clean that up and put references in a wiki; agree. | 17:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since we have a lot more technical and planning content to deal with, a separate wiki page would be better | 17:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/GroupPolicy | 17:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: yeah, that was the thought | 17:47 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | banix: i havent yet moved anything to the new page | 17:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | just wanted to check if everyone was fine | 17:48 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: not sure if you use emacs, but this could be helpful: http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/emacs.html#editing-tables-emacs-table-mode | 17:48 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: sounds good; I can help | 17:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i am a vim guy, but thanks, will take a look | 17:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: thanks, that would be great | 17:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we can probably use the wiki for tracking progress as well | 17:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | which brings us to the progress update on the PoC | 17:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since there is very little time left before the summit (and which we are targeting as a milestone), i would propose that we get tactical at this point | 17:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i wanted to bring the agenda down to track progress in each of the substreams for the PoC | 17:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | sound okay? | 17:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | everyone is quiet today | 17:51 |
| banix | yes | 17:51 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: +1 | 17:51 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: sounds good | 17:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ah thanks guys :-) | 17:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Policy Model/Manager | 17:51 |
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| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: Yes ;-) | 17:51 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so i made some progress on the sumit/pm branch, but still behind on the shcedule | 17:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i fixed a bunch of issues with the plugin to get the tests to work | 17:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i was trying to make sure that the end-to-end scenario works | 17:53 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I added some stuff to this on my rkukura/mapping branch to test creating endpoint groups and get that working. | 17:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i expected to much progress than that, but unfortunately thats where i am | 17:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah great thanks | 17:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i had not implemented those | 17:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any questions for me (we will get to the policy driver shortly) | 17:54 |
| banix | thnaks; any major departure from what we had discussed earlier? | 17:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix has also been reviewing | 17:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we might need to have a discussion around the services part (again!) | 17:55 |
| banix | yes wanted to look into services part | 17:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but i had not reached anywhere close to that part of the implementation, so its not in the code anyways | 17:55 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i got some feedback on the epg/contract relationship modeling as well | 17:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we might need to make some enhancements | 17:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | especially to handle your case banix where the EPG can be explicitly address (if required) | 17:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *addressed | 17:57 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: well, since this isn't the part about the enforcer yet - I am not updating. But currently I am assuming service doesn't get rendered until policy is passed - and still having to work with you and the team to finalize "service" object and how to derive that this means "firewall" | 17:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yes, sorry that this is part is not crystallized yet | 17:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: i think all of us see the difficulty in wrapping our heads around this | 17:58 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: is OK - plenty of stuff to look at in the plugin and how it can invoke firewall object before having to code the northbound piece | 17:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: part of the problem is that the services’ framework in neutron itself is not as much baked | 17:58 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: we all have been spending time independently on that, but we know where that is ;-) | 17:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | more white board discussions required i guess | 17:59 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: absolutely | 17:59 |
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| banix | there was a mention of changes in policy context yesterday; is that what you thought we needed in the context of policies? | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: yes, one on the services, the second along the lines of the change to the EPG/Contract relationship i was mentioning earlier | 18:00 |
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| banix | is this a good time to discuss that? | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | banix: perhaps having a modified diagram would be helpful | 18:02 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: yes that would help | 18:02 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: Is this done best in context of the new bluprint ? | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | banix: i got caught up with doing the blueprint and did not get a chance to update the diagram | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: yes | 18:03 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: sure; we can discuss later | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | banix: yeah, its probably a longer discussion | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets get through the status first | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Policy plugin driver update | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i believe you made good progress on this | 18:04 |
| rkukura | I’m working towards a short term goal: | 18:04 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | hey folks, you're out of time | 18:04 |
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| rkukura | To drive creation of the neutron network, subnet, and port resources via the group API, with all traffic allowed | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SergeyLukjanov: bummer! | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SergeyLukjanov: we thought we had another 30 mins | 18:05 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | nope :) | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: sorry, hang on | 18:05 |
| rkukura | Then s3wong and I can work from that on mapping the policies | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SergeyLukjanov: okay sure, we can end this meeting here | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | SumitNaiksatam, thx | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sahara folks, ping | 18:06 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: Is #openstack-meeting-3 available? | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | group policy folks, lets join on -meeting-3 | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yeah | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:06 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 17 18:06:33 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-04-17-17.34.html | 18:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-04-17-17.34.txt | 18:06 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-04-17-17.34.log.html | 18:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 18:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 17 18:06:44 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:06 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sahara folks, wake up | 18:07 |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 18:07 |
| crobertsrh | Hello | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, jspeidel, mattf, tmckay | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev | 18:07 |
| ylobankov | hello | 18:08 |
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| bob_nettleton | SergeyLukjanov, hi | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hey | 18:08 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ok, we have some kind of quorum | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's start | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda#Agenda_for_April.2C_17 | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:09 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'll add info re release in next topic | 18:10 |
| crobertsrh | I've been working on the dashboard merge into horizon. My first pass did it as a separate dashboard (Admin, Project, Sahara). | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but it's almost here :) | 18:10 |
| crobertsrh | dmitryme noted that it might not be the right way to go. I tend to agree, so I'm reworking the patch sets to have Sahara (Data Processing) live under "Project". | 18:10 |
| crobertsrh | I am well into figuring that out, but when I asked a bit in the horizon channel, it sparked a bit of debate. | 18:10 |
| bob_nettleton | working on fixing HDP image bugs, debugging a problem that myself and elmiko ran into with diskimage-builder | 18:10 |
| crobertsrh | Current plan is for the debate to be carried out on the horizon mailing list and in their weekly meeting. | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, awesome | 18:11 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, ping me if you'll need some support on pushing it | 18:11 |
| alazarev | we’ve finished POC for the customer with sahara on multi-region environment | 18:11 |
| crobertsrh | I will include you on my email to the horizon list along with dmitryme and nikitakonovalov. | 18:12 |
| alazarev | multi-region support is on review now: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/79795/ | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | nice | 18:12 |
| crobertsrh | I was hoping to have it done by now, but that is definitely not the case. | 18:12 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, how is the review activity from the horizon team? | 18:13 |
| crobertsrh | SergeyLukjanov: non-existant really so far | 18:13 |
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| crobertsrh | But dmitryme convinced me to abandon my initial approach earlier today, so it's probably for the best | 18:13 |
| aignatov | o/ | 18:13 |
| tmckay | almost forgot | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, ok, I hope the review activity will be better after release sensation :) | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, hey, any news? | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, morning | 18:14 |
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| crobertsrh | I'm sure it will be great | 18:14 |
| tmckay | hi | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, any news? | 18:14 |
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| aignatov | SergeyLukjanov: nothing special, fixed ine bug in novanetwirk setup with savanna | 18:15 |
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| tmckay | I worked on the bigpetstore demo, got that to run on hadoop 2 from sahara, and I extended the cli integration test to support neutron, refactored a bit. | 18:15 |
| aignatov | and starting writing sloccount mr job for demo | 18:15 |
| aignatov | tmckay: hey, great progress! | 18:15 |
| aignatov | and not so good on me :( | 18:16 |
| tmckay | oh, and vanilla2 for cli integration test, too | 18:16 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, cool | 18:16 |
| aignatov | ah, also I worked on heat stuff | 18:17 |
| tosky | I finally started playing with the integration tests, and I'm trying to understand if the failure I see is because of something wrong in my setup or not | 18:17 |
| aignatov | updated Sahara resource in heat implementation | 18:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, probably you should split cli tests patch to several parts - to make it easier to review, is it possible? | 18:17 |
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| tmckay | tell me, does anyone know what it means when any http requests to sahara fail with "Authentication required", but the web UI works? Even when "admin" credentials are used from the command line? | 18:17 |
| aignatov | here it is: | 18:17 |
| aignatov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72336 | 18:17 |
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| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, yes, I thought of that, too. It is getting big. | 18:17 |
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| tmckay | I think I probably can | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, you can torture ylobankov about integration tests | 18:18 |
| * SergeyLukjanov like word "torture" | 18:18 | |
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| tmckay | lol, I noticed that | 18:18 |
| aignatov | ylobankov: run away from pirates!! | 18:18 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/trusty/current/trusty-server-cloudimg-amd64-disk1.img | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oops | 18:18 |
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| aignatov | wrong chat? | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | trusty released today ;) | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | wrong terminal tab | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | folks, any other news/updates?? | 18:19 |
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| tmckay | oh, I noticed we still don't have a "Hive" job in the integration tests | 18:20 |
| tmckay | last time I looked | 18:20 |
| tmckay | I think maybe that would be a good thing to add to sahara | 18:20 |
| tmckay | Anybody have a hive example? | 18:20 |
| aignatov | tmckay: about authorization failed - I saw that only in case of expired token | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'm afraid that it's not working in some cases / plugins | 18:21 |
| tmckay | ah, okay | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | don't actually remember details | 18:21 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | okay, let's move on | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Icehouse release status | 18:21 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info OpenStack Icehouse released today, stable/icehouse branches created | 18:22 |
| aignatov | tmckay: yeah, we should look at Hive part and fix it in juno somehov | 18:22 |
| aignatov | as I remember, hive doen’t work properly with swift in sahara | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info All Sahara repos tagged | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'll create stable/icehouse branches for repos after the meeting and send an announcement | 18:22 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sahara/ReleaseNotes/Icehouse | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | release notes for icehouse ^^ | 18:23 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, I'm expecting to announce I release of Sahara in ~40 mins after the meeting | 18:23 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 18:24 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-04-10-18.05.html | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info no action items | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Design summit | 18:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Design summit (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:24 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please, propose topic you'd like to discuss on summit | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | til monday | 18:25 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | April 20 is the soft deadline for design summit sessions proposals | 18:25 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info April 20 is the soft deadline for design summit sessions proposals | 18:25 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link summit.openstack.org | 18:25 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I've proposed some missed topics today w/o description and planning to add it on weekend | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | please, comment on existing topics if you'd like to ensure that something will be discussed | 18:26 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | How'll attend design summit in Atlanta? | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | small poll | 18:27 |
| * SergeyLukjanov attending | 18:27 | |
| crobertsrh | I will be there | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | looks like today is a sleepy day | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay? | 18:28 |
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| crobertsrh | He will be there | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | (I hope yes due to the joint talk) | 18:28 |
| crobertsrh | elmiko will also be there | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, and mattf, correct? | 18:28 |
| tmckay | lol, yes, I will be there | 18:28 |
| crobertsrh | yes, I believe mattf will be there too | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, :) | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, that's cool that you'll be on summit, we can share some thoughts with dashboard folks | 18:29 |
| crobertsrh | Absolutely | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov and alazarev will be on summit too | 18:29 |
| alazarev | I will be | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and from HWX Erik and jspeidel | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | as I know | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info Sahara design summit slots are Thursday afternoon and Friday morning | 18:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, folks, please, add topics | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Backward compat for Hadoop version | 18:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Backward compat for Hadoop version (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:31 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | heh, the hot topic | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, let's share thoughts on it | 18:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev was initially commented about it, so, alazarev, please | 18:32 |
| tosky | "kill hadoop 1"? | 18:32 |
| * tosky hides | 18:32 | |
| alazarev | it’s about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88024/ | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it's about 2.3.0 -> 2.4.0 | 18:33 |
| tosky | oh, vanilla | 18:33 |
| aignatov | tosky: no, this topic is about how to upgrade hadoop fromm 2.3.0 to higher version and keep working old clusters | 18:33 |
| alazarev | we support some versions of hadoop in icehouse (both vanilla and hdp) | 18:33 |
| alazarev | question: what do we do with sich versions in future? should we support them forever? should it be deprication period? | 18:34 |
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| alazarev | we can’t just remove 2.3.0 and start to support 2.4.0 only, because customers could have running clusters on 2.3.0 | 18:35 |
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| tosky | what is the upstream (apache) policy regarding support? | 18:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it sounds like we shouldn't replace plugin's version, but add new versions and declare deprecation period | 18:35 |
| aignatov | alazarev: right now we provisioning/scaling logic can work with both hadoop versions 2.3.0 and 2.4.0 | 18:35 |
| alazarev | the same history with hdp versions | 18:35 |
| aignatov | only restriction is hadoop version in rest call :) | 18:35 |
| alazarev | hopefully we don’t have such problem with IDH anymore :) | 18:36 |
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| dmitryme | I think it is more realistically to just keep support for older versions for this cycle | 18:36 |
| alazarev | this also affects e.g. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87753/ | 18:36 |
| dmitryme | but we definitely should look for ways to update clusters to newer version | 18:37 |
| alazarev | we can’t just change version of oozie | 18:37 |
| tosky | do you mean keep 2.3 for Juno, add 2.4, remove 2.3 for K? | 18:37 |
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| tosky | ok, but does hadoop provide support this? I mean, if you have a cluster running, do they support upgrades? | 18:37 |
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| dmitryme | tosky: Ideally we should provide clusters update from 2.3 to 2.4 in K | 18:38 |
| tosky | also, I never tried an openstack upgrade: is it supposed to be online? | 18:38 |
| aignatov | maybe we should implement live hadoop upgrade? killer feature in sahara :) | 18:38 |
| tmckay | while the jobs are running ;-) | 18:38 |
| alazarev | easier sulution: just don’t support upgrades, this will also eluminate problems with DB migrations :) | 18:39 |
| aignatov | lol | 18:39 |
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| dmitryme | I'd say it would be great to provide at least offline upgrade | 18:39 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | we should at least stop replacing versions :) | 18:39 |
| aignatov | this is a good topic for design session :) | 18:39 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev already registered session for it | 18:40 |
| aignatov | not sure if we find solution right now | 18:40 |
| aignatov | ok | 18:40 |
| dmitryme | regarding upgrading OpenStack, it could be upgrade with some periods of unavailable functionality | 18:40 |
| dmitryme | see http://openstack-in-production.blogspot.ru/2014/02/our-cloud-in-havana.html | 18:40 |
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| tosky | also this: http://openstack.redhat.com/Upgrading_RDO | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we need volunteers to prepare an etherpad about upgrading Hadoop | 18:41 |
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| alazarev | dmitryme: “could” “theoretically” “be” | 18:41 |
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| tosky | http://wiki.apache.org/hadoop/Hadoop_Upgrade | 18:41 |
| dmitryme | alazarev: I said 'ideally', I understand it is not easy to achieve | 18:42 |
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| tosky | but tha page above is too old | 18:42 |
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| tosky | mhh... still referenced by, for example, http://hadoop.apache.org/docs/r2.3.0/hadoop-project-dist/hadoop-hdfs/HdfsUserGuide.html#Upgrade_and_Rollback | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sounds like we still need to have an etherpad with analysis of this docs :) | 18:43 |
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| alazarev | do we really want to support upgrades? I would vote on support two versions and force customers to create new hadoop cluster | 18:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, data migration will be needed at least | 18:44 |
| aignatov | agree with alazarev | 18:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'm basically agree with it | 18:45 |
| tosky | given the current status of affairs for both hadoop and openstack upgrades, I would say I agree with alazarev | 18:45 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: data migration is out of sahara scope, it is from hadoop world | 18:45 |
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| aignatov | well, we should think how to support several minor versions of the same distro | 18:45 |
| tosky | at least until hadoop and/or openstack implement mechanism for live upgrade | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, but in terms of sahara it's a way to migrate from deprecated to actual versioned cluster | 18:45 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | we need to agree on something for now | 18:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any objections for stoping just replacing versions? | 18:46 |
| alazarev | I vote on adding new version without removing old one | 18:47 |
| alazarev | and perform changes like ‘upgrade oozie’ only in unreleased versions | 18:47 |
| aignatov | hm, probably we can expand our db models with some flag like “old_hadoop_versions” and knowing this flag sahara could operate with existiong cluster with old version | 18:47 |
| aignatov | in fact sacailing operation and deleting don’t have specific logic for the different minor hadoop versions | 18:48 |
| aignatov | *scaling | 18:48 |
| alazarev | scaling has specific logic | 18:49 |
| aignatov | which? | 18:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 10 mins left, so, let's move on | 18:50 |
| alazarev | aignatov: at least list of hadoop configs | 18:50 |
| tosky | alazarev: but removing old deprecated versions for major OS releases? | 18:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, it's a good idea | 18:50 |
| tosky | (where OS == OpenStack of course) | 18:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, could you aggregate thoughts on it, file blueprint and add details to it? | 18:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and attash it to the summit session | 18:51 |
| aignatov | alazarev: hadoop configs changed very slowly in hadoop | 18:51 |
| alazarev | tosky: yes, but only after anauncing deprication, so 2.3.0 we be removed only in K | 18:51 |
| tosky | alazarev: sure | 18:51 |
| tosky | alazarev: keeping an eye on upstream hadoop support policy, if any | 18:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, ? | 18:52 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: sure | 18:52 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #action alazarev file blueprint re hadoop version upgrades, aggregate thoughts and details, link to the design summit session | 18:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thx | 18:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic IDH removal | 18:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "IDH removal (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:53 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | any objections for removing IDH from the codebase? | 18:53 |
| aignatov | nothing to discuss, just remove it | 18:53 |
| aignatov | :) | 18:53 |
| alazarev | This topic should be short one :) | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | agreed | 18:53 |
| tosky | for Juno, not IceHouse, right? | 18:53 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, Icehouse already released | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:53 |
| crobertsrh | IDH, we hardly knew ye | 18:53 |
| tosky | just to be sure :) | 18:53 |
| aignatov | in fact in Icehouse it’ll not work anyway :( | 18:54 |
| aignatov | sad but true | 18:54 |
| alazarev | Intel droped all repos, customers will not be able to install IDH even in Icehouse | 18:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yup, that's sad | 18:54 |
| alazarev | local mirror is needed, but there is no way to do it now | 18:55 |
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| alazarev | we can sell our local copy of IDH mirror :) | 18:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | heh | 18:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed remove IDH from codebase | 18:55 |
| aignatov | alazarev: I give you money, just don’t sell it | 18:55 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 18:56 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | 4 mins left | 18:56 |
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| dmitryme | am, did I missed Roadmap cleanup | 18:56 |
| dmitryme | ? | 18:56 |
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| alazarev | roadmap? before summit? :) | 18:56 |
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| dmitryme | no, I meant we need to update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sahara/Roadmap for Icehouse | 18:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we should cleanup it to be in line with release | 18:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | dmitryme, could you please update it too | 18:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | to align with release | 18:57 |
| dmitryme | Sergey: ok, I'll do it | 18:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #action dmitryme to align roadmap/Icehouse with release | 18:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thx | 18:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 2 mins left | 18:58 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | thank you all folks! | 19:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 17 19:00:15 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-04-17-18.06.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-04-17-18.06.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-04-17-18.06.log.html | 19:00 |
| aignatov | thx | 19:00 |
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