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| heyongli | #help | 13:03 |
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| heyongli | #startmeeting | 13:03 |
| openstack | heyongli: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 13:03 |
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| irenab | hi | 13:04 |
| heyongli | #startmeeting pci_passthrough | 13:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 22 13:04:25 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is heyongli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: pci_passthrough)" | 13:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:04 |
| heyongli | hi | 13:04 |
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| baoli | Hi | 13:04 |
| baoli | Sorry that I'm late | 13:05 |
| sadasu | hello | 13:05 |
| heyongli | sriov spec is in good shape review i think, there are some comments need address, i will update tomorrow. | 13:06 |
| irenab | heyongli: thank you for working on it | 13:06 |
| russellb | have a link to the spec? | 13:06 |
| heyongli | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86606/ | 13:06 |
| heyongli | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86606/ | 13:06 |
| irenab | heyongli: I wanted to ak if you need help from my side to update it | 13:07 |
| heyongli | irenab, that long case should be re write | 13:07 |
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| russellb | no implementors listed on the spec yet | 13:07 |
| heyongli | 1. Admin user identifies PCI devices categories. Each category fits | 13:07 |
| heyongli | 53 certain criterias that matches list of equivalent PCI devices. | 13:07 |
| heyongli | 54 Per each compute node, administrator defines list of PCI devices | 13:07 |
| heyongli | 55 available for allocation for each PCI device category. | 13:07 |
| heyongli | 56 Every virtual network is defined on top of certain physical network. | 13:07 |
| heyongli | 57 Admin settings should assure that there is a correlation between | 13:07 |
| heyongli | 58 available PCI devices and device connectivity to the physical network. | 13:07 |
| heyongli | 59 i.e, a SRIOV ready NIC on a host connect to a switch port which provide | 13:08 |
| russellb | anyone signed up to help write the code? i'm interested in helping. | 13:08 |
| heyongli | 60 the vlan physical netowrk, named 'valnphy1'. | 13:08 |
| heyongli | 61 admin should can connect this SRIOV NIC with the physical netowrk | 13:08 |
| heyongli | russellb, yeah, john want see use cases first | 13:08 |
| heyongli | code is almost ready now | 13:08 |
| heyongli | at least for a prototype | 13:08 |
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| russellb | orly | 13:08 |
| russellb | cool | 13:09 |
| heyongli | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:abandoned+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/pci-extra-info,n,z | 13:09 |
| irenab | heyongli: I'll take a look on this. | 13:09 |
| heyongli | this is for pci common enhancement | 13:09 |
| heyongli | sriov part is done by baoli | 13:09 |
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| irenab | I think we still did not completely reach agreement on tenant apis | 13:10 |
| baoli | russellb: we have a lot of stuff over here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Passthrough | 13:11 |
| irenab | and also admin work flow to setup all parts (aggregates, flavors,...) | 13:11 |
| heyongli | irenab, yeah, even we can not get that ready i think the sriov work still can make progress by partition the work | 13:11 |
| russellb | baoli: thanks | 13:12 |
| heyongli | i prefer split the flaovr to another bp, and put it on top of the dependcy tree | 13:12 |
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| irenab | I think the best is to put alternatives in the nova-spec we have | 13:12 |
| heyongli | alternatives design? also fine to me. | 13:13 |
| irenab | heyongli: I think its bettert to have one bp covering SS-IOV nova parts, and it can be submitted via several patches | 13:13 |
| heyongli | yeah, the specs/juno/pci-passthrough-sriov.rst should at least cover : | 13:13 |
| heyongli | 1) nova boot --nic thing | 13:14 |
| heyongli | 2) module interface between sriov to common pci passthrough | 13:14 |
| heyongli | 3) vif part of code | 13:14 |
| baoli | last week, we discussed whether or not the user should be exposed with vendor_id, product_id, and use them for device selection. we haven't reached anything yet. | 13:14 |
| irenab | baoli: by user you mean tenant? | 13:15 |
| baoli | irenab, yes | 13:15 |
| heyongli | baoli, we need that, if sriov don't need it , common pci passthrough need it | 13:15 |
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| heyongli | and some coner case of image also need the vendor information | 13:16 |
| irenab | for SR-IOV passthrough guest should have vendor drivers, so some level of understanding should be there | 13:16 |
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| baoli | I have looked at the existing filters within the scheduler. Seems like that they are pretty useful in covering those requirements | 13:17 |
| baoli | The question is whether or not they should be used as part of the stats keys | 13:17 |
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| irenab | is there an agreement for nova boot --nic with vnic-type? Or we should look into some NIC flavors? | 13:17 |
| baoli | irenab, I'm pretty happy with the vnic-type | 13:18 |
| heyongli | even if SR-IOV don't need that too much, the GPU pass-through will need that , cause some tenant want gpu and a compute engine, in this case, the vendor is almost everything | 13:18 |
| heyongli | pci stats need the vendor info come from common pci pass through | 13:18 |
| baoli | heyongli, you are saying in the gpu case, a user wants a pci device from a particular vendor | 13:19 |
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| heyongli | yeah, cause gpu engine had it's private machine code, like x86, arm's different | 13:19 |
| irenab | baoli: We should make via tenant friendly apis. I just think we may get reject on putting --vnic-type on nova boot command | 13:19 |
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| baoli | irenab, that's why we want to hear from the cores about their opionions | 13:20 |
| baoli | So far, we have discussed them over and over | 13:20 |
| baoli | And now it's time to come to some kind of aggreements | 13:21 |
| heyongli | to push forward this, we need a alternative for --nic | 13:21 |
| baoli | Well, we need to know what the objections are | 13:21 |
| irenab | baoli: so let's see if there are rejecs via nova-spec | 13:21 |
| irenab | Do we have it there? | 13:22 |
| baoli | We can't discuss this over and over without making any progress | 13:22 |
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| irenab | I am still trying to close the gap after the vacation :-) | 13:22 |
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| irenab | so for now lets progress with --vnic-type. | 13:23 |
| heyongli | to discuss --vnic, the nova spec need a section doc this | 13:23 |
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| baoli | one tag versus multiple tags, or the selection criteria. | 13:24 |
| baoli | user interface | 13:24 |
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| baoli | as far as I'm concerned, we are stuck at tow things: | 13:24 |
| baoli | those are the two things that we are stuck at | 13:25 |
| heyongli | i thinks we agree on multi tags solution | 13:25 |
| baoli | heyongli, the difference is whether or not you need multiple keys for the stats keys | 13:25 |
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| irenab | let's try to close the UI (tenant flow) first in the nova-spec. Once use cases and apis are agreed, the implementation will be less challenging, I think | 13:25 |
| heyongli | why multi tag don't need multi key? | 13:26 |
| heyongli | irenab, i don't thinks so | 13:26 |
| heyongli | api is kind of stand alone here | 13:26 |
| heyongli | well decoupled, it's a db version of alias anyway, for both flavor or aggregate | 13:27 |
| baoli | we have stats based filter (only PCI filter as far as I know) and property based filters (the rest) | 13:27 |
| heyongli | what is property based ? stats just a summary of pci device's property | 13:28 |
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| baoli | heyongli, if you look at the filters such as compute_capability_filter, aggregate filter, image filter, etc, they use meta-data, and there is no counts of resources invovled | 13:29 |
| heyongli | how about vcpu and memory? | 13:29 |
| baoli | Refer to the latter part of this doc:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zgMaXqrCnad01-jQH7Mkmf6amlghw9RMScGLBrKslmw/edit?pli=1 | 13:30 |
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| heyongli | pci is another kind of resources, have many property than cpu and memory | 13:30 |
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| irenab | lets try to identify what is missing in order to get this bp approved | 13:36 |
| irenab | 1. need to cover the proposed change chapter | 13:37 |
| heyongli | irenab, i think it's lack of a unify agreement and so can not preset it to community | 13:37 |
| heyongli | before this, how write the change chapter? | 13:37 |
| irenab | maybe put the alternatives there | 13:38 |
| heyongli | agree to put something to alternatives | 13:38 |
| baoli | First, would we agree on --vnic-type? | 13:38 |
| baoli | if not, what is the alternative? | 13:39 |
| irenab | baoli: I am fine with it, but we may expect some objections... | 13:39 |
| heyongli | i'm fine, alternative could be integrate it to falvor in some way | 13:39 |
| baoli | irenab, well, let's hear about those objections first | 13:39 |
| irenab | baloi: agree | 13:40 |
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| baoli | We should put that in the BP if that's the position we want to take | 13:40 |
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| irenab | baoli: do you have few moments to update the spec with details you put on the google doc? If not, I can do it. | 13:41 |
| irenab | I think the alternative is to make some nic flavor that admin creates and tenant consumes | 13:41 |
| baoli | irenab, i will try to update the doc | 13:41 |
| heyongli | nova spec we prefer? | 13:42 |
| irenab | heyongli: The same nova-spec we started | 13:42 |
| heyongli | yeah | 13:42 |
| irenab | baoli: If need my help, just ping on IRC | 13:42 |
| baoli | irenab, sure. | 13:42 |
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| baoli | irenab, we have to be clear on what a nic flavor is | 13:43 |
| irenab | baoli: let's wait for comments on --vnic-type. | 13:43 |
| baoli | irenab, for --vnic-type, it's very clear what it is. But nic flavor, I'd like to see what exactly it is, then we can put it in the doc as an alternative | 13:44 |
| baoli | I think we have the common goal of providing a simple interface to meet the admin/user's requirements | 13:45 |
| irenab | baoli: I am saying that before inventing some new model objects and apis, let's go with --vnic-type | 13:45 |
| baoli | In the same time, take into account what's out of there already. | 13:45 |
| baoli | irenab, sure. | 13:45 |
| irenab | I am ok with vnic-type, just remember we had John concerns about it | 13:46 |
| baoli | irenab, earlier on, we have something else such as profile_id in the picture. | 13:47 |
| irenab | baoli: yes, for QBH case | 13:47 |
| irenab | how are you going to deal with it? | 13:47 |
| baoli | That's when John talked about something about nic flavor | 13:47 |
| irenab | baoli: so going forward, there is no need to propagate it via nova boot command? | 13:48 |
| irenab | we just need the vnic_type? | 13:48 |
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| baoli | Irenab, there are other efforts going on in that front. So we should concern ourself on SR-IOV only | 13:49 |
| heyongli | just wonder , why vnic type can not sit in the neutron part? fix me | 13:49 |
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| sadasu | irenab: yes, we don't need the profile_id to be specified at the nova boot command | 13:49 |
| baoli | heyongli, nova boot requires a port from a network | 13:50 |
| irenab | sadasu, baoli: good. So the only parameter we need is vnic_type. | 13:50 |
| heyongli | then, put the nic type to port of network does not work? | 13:50 |
| sadasu | irenab: correct | 13:51 |
| baoli | heyongli, I think that we' | 13:51 |
| irenab | heyongli: it works, and even already upstream. But the problem is that it required user to work via apis | 13:51 |
| irenab | firts create neutron port and then run nova boot | 13:52 |
| baoli | Heyongli, sorry. If you look at the nova boot command syntax on --nic, it has three options now: net-id=<>,fixed_ip=<>,port_id=<>. User should either provide net-id or port-id | 13:52 |
| irenab | we need to extend nova boot and also add support to GUI to get vnic_type | 13:53 |
| heyongli | still confuse, but net id seems lack of a type filed | 13:53 |
| baoli | if the user provides a net-id, then the user should be provided an option on whether or not a sr-iov port is desired | 13:54 |
| irenab | heyongli: here we have baoli's patch to add vnic-type to nova boot with net-id | 13:54 |
| heyongli | irenab, i know , it's got some rejection, so net-id can not perfer a sriov or other type? but seems odd also | 13:55 |
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| irenab | heyongli: net_id means "I want VM to connect to this virtual network", I think its not to add to specify the properties for such connectivity | 13:56 |
| heyongli | in another way, for net id does it possible to choose nic type in another way? like a policy or something? | 13:56 |
| heyongli | neutron then can control that without botering the nova | 13:57 |
| heyongli | bothering | 13:57 |
| irenab | for my understanding, nova just propagates vnic_type to neutron | 13:57 |
| baoli | heyongli, we envisioned that for a virtual net, both sr-iov ports and regular ports can be attached to it. | 13:58 |
| heyongli | then it's possible choose the type only in the neturon , like a list of wish list | 13:58 |
| heyongli | for net id: sriov, virtio means sriov first? does it work? | 13:59 |
| beagles | (sorry, arrived late and have been lurking) | 13:59 |
| sadasu | heyongli: when the vm is being instantiated, the tenant should be able to decide to use a sr-iov port | 13:59 |
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| beagles | doesn't vnic_type play a part in scheduling and possibly part of matching image capabilities | 13:59 |
| irenab | beagles: currently not | 14:00 |
| sadasu | so assoiating it with a network in advance doesn't make sense | 14:00 |
| beagles | irenab, but it should, right? | 14:00 |
| sadasu | beagles: yes, but we haven't gotten to that part yet today | 14:00 |
| heyongli | --nic does has it's value, for a specific vm , a sriov might be mandatory for tenant | 14:01 |
| sadasu | irenab: that is where we are headed even if it is not like that today | 14:01 |
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| irenab | sadasu: agree | 14:01 |
| beagles | k cool | 14:01 |
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| irenab | actually we have vnic_type and physicla_network tag on available PCI devices, and this will be part of scheduling decision | 14:02 |
| heyongli | sadasu, assoiating it with network, it is the list not force to some vnic type | 14:02 |
| irenab | baoli: do you use vnic_type to create pci_request? | 14:03 |
| heyongli | time is up | 14:03 |
| heyongli | #endmeeting | 14:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 22 14:04:11 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-04-22-13.04.html | 14:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-04-22-13.04.txt | 14:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-04-22-13.04.log.html | 14:04 |
| sadasu | heyongli: I see your concern, but I don't think that it is really an issue | 14:04 |
| heyongli | sadasu, i aslo think so, just a thought about it | 14:04 |
| heyongli | bye, everyone | 14:05 |
| irenab | thanks, bye | 14:05 |
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| baoli | sorry, I have to go to a different meeting. | 14:07 |
| baoli | a pci request will be created for a sr-iov port | 14:07 |
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| kgriffs | #topic marconi | 15:01 |
| kgriffs | #startmeeting marconi | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 22 15:01:35 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kgriffs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'marconi' | 15:01 |
| kgriffs | #topic roll call | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:01 | |
| kgriffs | o/ | 15:01 |
| alcabrera | o/ | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 15:02 |
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| sriram | o/ | 15:02 |
| flwang | o/ | 15:02 |
| mpanetta | o/ | 15:02 |
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| malini | o/ | 15:03 |
| alcabrera | \\o// | 15:03 |
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| flaper87 | kgriffs: knock knock | 15:03 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:03 |
| kgriffs | hmmm, seems we are missing a few folks | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | balajiiyer: raise your hand dude, don't be mean to kgriffs | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | we know you're there | 15:04 |
| kgriffs | if you are here for marconi, please raise your hand. :) | 15:04 |
| kgriffs | this is so I know who gets poptarts later | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | \o/ | 15:05 |
| kgriffs | 30 seconds | 15:05 |
| balajiiyer | o/ | 15:05 |
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| balajiiyer | *stealth mode actiavted* | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | balajiiyer: you just needed kgriffs to mention poptarts, didn't you? | 15:06 |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: CONGRAAAAAAAAAAAAAATSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS | 15:06 |
| kgriffs | alright! The life of the party! | 15:06 |
| vkmc | flaper87, :D :D :D :D thanks! | 15:06 |
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| kgriffs | now we can get this thing started | 15:06 |
| alcabrera | w00t | 15:06 |
| kgriffs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Marconi#Agenda | 15:06 |
| kgriffs | #topic Big welcome to our friendly, stylish interns! | 15:07 |
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| malini | yayyy!!!! | 15:07 |
| sriram | w00t :D | 15:07 |
| kgriffs | please introduce yourselves for those following along at home. :D | 15:07 |
| kgriffs | vkmc: ^^^ | 15:07 |
| vkmc | kgriffs, Haha sure | 15:07 |
| vkmc | Hi everyone! | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | <big>WELCOME</big> to all the really cool interns | 15:08 |
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| kgriffs | vkmc: so, your name, where you are from, your favorite ice cream | 15:08 |
| kgriffs | :) | 15:08 |
| vkmc | Most of Marconi chaps already saw me around, but... I'm Victoria, a Computer Sciences student based in Argentina | 15:09 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: pls, credit card number and pin too | 15:09 |
| alcabrera | lol | 15:09 |
| alcabrera | at #marconi, we're *very* thorough | 15:09 |
| sriram | lol | 15:09 |
| vkmc | I have been selected for GSoC 2014 | 15:09 |
| flwang | vkmc: welcome :) | 15:09 |
| mpanetta | flaper87: and private key. | 15:09 |
| vkmc | And I'm hoping to rock Marconi this summer | 15:09 |
| malini | I accept cash | 15:09 |
| kgriffs | vkmc: excellent. glad to have to on the crew! | 15:10 |
| * flaper87 accepts whatever can be used to buy malini's trust | 15:10 | |
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| vkmc | I love all icecream flavors btw | 15:10 |
| vkmc | Thanks all :) | 15:10 |
| malini | Congratulations again vkmc!! | 15:10 |
| flwang | alcabrera: seems we have another intern, for the redis idea, is it? | 15:10 |
| alcabrera | flwang: yup! | 15:10 |
| alcabrera | prashanth | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: you sure? There's a 1k icecream falvor shop in Venezuela and I'm sure there's something you don't like there | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: on a serious note, I'm so thrilled to have you in the team! Welcome! | 15:11 |
| vkmc | flaper87, We could try! :) haha | 15:11 |
| kgriffs | ok, I don't see AAzza around... anyone want to pretend to be AAzza for a moment and introduce themselves? | 15:11 |
| alcabrera | :P | 15:11 |
| vkmc | flaper87, Thanks F, I'm really happy to be able to join you guys (finally!) | 15:12 |
| kgriffs | alcabrera: did you just volunteer to introduce AAzza? | 15:12 |
| kgriffs | :D | 15:12 |
| malini | I can proxy for AAzza ;) | 15:12 |
| alcabrera | haha | 15:12 |
| alcabrera | I'll let malini do so | 15:12 |
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| malini | "I am awesome & have already contributed to making the marconi tests better" | 15:12 |
| Obulpathi | vkmc: congrats and welcome :) | 15:13 |
| alcabrera | AAzza's summary on OPW: "Nataliia Uvarova (AAzza), Gjøvik, Norway / Kiev, Ukraine - Py3K support in Marconi" | 15:13 |
| malini | alcabrera has more useful info :D | 15:13 |
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| flaper87 | so, we'll have full support for Py3K | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | w000t | 15:14 |
| alcabrera | in all, I'm grateful to have the opportunity to work with three new contributors/interns. It's going to be a fun summer. :) | 15:14 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:14 |
| kgriffs | ah, we have 3? | 15:14 |
| kgriffs | who is the other? | 15:14 |
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| alcabrera | yup! | 15:14 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: HAHAHAHAHA | 15:14 |
| Obulpathi | thats awesome! | 15:14 |
| alcabrera | prashanth, who is not here atm. :P | 15:14 |
| * flaper87 gives kgriffs a glass of wather | 15:14 | |
| kgriffs | ah, that's right | 15:14 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: breath man, breath! In... out... | 15:14 |
| * kgriffs takes pill | 15:14 | |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:14 |
| * kgriffs becomes sane again | 15:14 | |
| flaper87 | that's how awesome this project is | 15:14 |
| vkmc | lol | 15:15 |
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| kgriffs | no, that's how awesome you guys are. Our People Make the Differenceâ„¢. | 15:16 |
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| kgriffs | ok, moving on... | 15:16 |
| kgriffs | #topic Discuss proposed design sessions | 15:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discuss proposed design sessions (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:16 | |
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| * flaper87 ducks | 15:16 | |
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| * flaper87 switched the agenda order and none noticed | 15:16 | |
| flaper87 | no one | 15:16 |
| kgriffs | lol. | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | and if someone did, sshh | 15:16 |
| kgriffs | switched the link too | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | let me believe that | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:16 |
| kgriffs | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/marconi-meetings | 15:17 |
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| kgriffs | so, we have 4 slots. | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | I put everything in that pad. It's easier to do votes | 15:17 |
| kgriffs | I think all of these are great topics. But we need to move two of them to using our "project pod" unconference space | 15:18 |
| ametts | State of the Union doesn't sound like a good use of limited time, IMHO | 15:19 |
| kgriffs | so, which ones could benefit from increased visibility to other teams (since they will show up on the official schedule | 15:19 |
| ametts | (although that one probably has the broadest appeal to outsiders) | 15:20 |
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| malini | But we'll need ppl from other projects to show up for State of the union to be useful | 15:20 |
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| sriram | yes, that makes sense | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | guys, just add +1's | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | we can assume -1 if no vote was added | 15:21 |
| malini | Do we typically get other project teams to show up in our sessions? | 15:21 |
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| flaper87 | malini: yes | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | we can invite them | 15:21 |
| flwang | kgriffs: +1 I like the point | 15:21 |
| malini | tht changed my vote | 15:21 |
| malini | I might have accidentally removed somebody's −1 from State of Union | 15:21 |
| malini | Can the −1 person chk pl? | 15:22 |
| kgriffs | "accidentally" ;) | 15:23 |
| malini | :D | 15:23 |
| alcabrera | all set on my end | 15:24 |
| alcabrera | I contributed the Nyan Cat design session | 15:24 |
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| kgriffs | ok, so signed messages we can do as an unconference | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: +1 | 15:28 |
| kgriffs | and state of the union - dang, i wish we could do that since it would be good PR, but we do need to work out the design for those other things | 15:28 |
| kgriffs | how about a trifold, science-fair style? | 15:28 |
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| kgriffs | :D | 15:28 |
| malini | I think we need to do the state of the union in a non sessiony way | 15:28 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: I actually would prefer to do state of the union with some redbulls in hand and we all sitten somewhere | 15:28 |
| Obulpathi | +1 | 15:29 |
| alcabrera | state of the union over pizza | 15:29 |
| alcabrera | with onion on it | 15:29 |
| alcabrera | make it cheesy | 15:29 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: +1 | 15:29 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: and beefy | 15:29 |
| mpanetta | mmmm pizza | 15:29 |
| alcabrera | the pizza and the session | 15:29 |
| Obulpathi | alcabrera: +1 | 15:29 |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:29 |
| alcabrera | :D | 15:30 |
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| * flaper87 has nothing else to add to this topic | 15:31 | |
| kgriffs | ok, is everyone cool with this plan? | 15:31 |
| ametts | flaper87: s/redbulls/beers/ | 15:31 |
| alcabrera | +1 | 15:32 |
| flaper87 | ametts: s/beers/wine/ | 15:32 |
| flaper87 | but yeah, I can do beers too | 15:32 |
| alcabrera | s/{drink}/water|soda | 15:32 |
| flaper87 | water = sode = beer | 15:32 |
| flaper87 | soda* | 15:32 |
| kgriffs | I am going to sneak something in to the agenda while we are on the subject of the summit | 15:32 |
| kgriffs | #topic Summit publicity stunt | 15:33 |
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| mpanetta | Please don't jump off a building kgriffs | 15:33 |
| malini | mpanetta: :D | 15:33 |
| flaper87 | lol | 15:33 |
| megan_w | i'm intrigued.. | 15:33 |
| kgriffs | uh, why? | 15:33 |
| * kgriffs quickly comes up with a different idea | 15:33 | |
| malini | kgriffs: jumping from a helicopter? | 15:34 |
| kgriffs | ok, so here is the proposal (kudos to ametts, mpanetta, and balajiiyer for helping me with this) | 15:34 |
| * flwang thinking | 15:34 | |
| kgriffs | we go get a couple cases of Kraft Macaroni and Cheese | 15:34 |
| kgriffs | and then we slap a sticker on there that invites people to go visit a landing page | 15:35 |
| ametts | s/couple/lots/ | 15:35 |
| kgriffs | on that page, we have rules for a contest/raffle to give away some sweet ARM hobby boards | 15:35 |
| kgriffs | we also have a section on there that we can use to promote the "state of the union" of Marconi | 15:35 |
| malini | tht is a great idea :D | 15:36 |
| flaper87 | wow, sounds really great | 15:36 |
| kgriffs | so, we can do one or both of the following | 15:36 |
| malini | We can make some macaroni for the really hungry | 15:36 |
| kgriffs | 1. a raffle for new contributors | 15:36 |
| kgriffs | 2. a contest for coolest app that uses marconi | 15:36 |
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| megan_w | 2 would probably help us the most | 15:37 |
| megan_w | 1 would get have more participation | 15:37 |
| malini | 1. a raffle for new contributors ==> Is tht for folks who submit a new marconi patch during the summit? | 15:37 |
| kgriffs | in either case, we would give some kind of deadline that is a few weeks out, since people will probably be too busy to hack during the conference | 15:37 |
| kgriffs | ok, well, think about it and share your suggestions in #openstack-marconi | 15:38 |
| alcabrera | kgriffs: +1 on a few weeks out -- it's considerate of conference go-ers, in my opinion | 15:38 |
| Obulpathi | +1 | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | agreed | 15:38 |
| kgriffs | alcabrera: plus, that ensures people keep thinking about us when the get home. :D | 15:38 |
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| malini | hmm..tht is what I am concerned abt | 15:38 |
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| alcabrera | yup, yup | 15:38 |
| malini | will they think of us once they get home? | 15:38 |
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| kgriffs | they will as soon as they sit down to enjoy a delicious bowl of Mac & Cheese. :D | 15:39 |
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| malini | If they made a small patch, they will be more inclined to think of us | 15:39 |
| malini | But I agree the summit is going to be too busy | 15:39 |
| flwang | kgriffs: but what's the award to attract the hackers? | 15:39 |
| kgriffs | either wandboard or udoo | 15:40 |
| kgriffs | anyway, let's move on | 15:40 |
| kgriffs | discuss this further in the program channel | 15:40 |
| flwang | kgriffs: a kiss from flaper87? | 15:40 |
| kgriffs | #topic POP Queues - Sign off on Delete a Set of Messages by ID + XOR(pop, ids) | 15:41 |
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| flaper87 | wait, what? | 15:41 |
| mpanetta | haha | 15:41 |
| kgriffs | ROFL | 15:41 |
| kgriffs | wow. That would certainly increase participation by like 1000% | 15:41 |
| malini | So this is to get everybody's consensus | 15:41 |
| * flaper87 will have to wear a pink tutu | 15:41 | |
| * kgriffs shuts up and listens | 15:41 | |
| * flaper87 STFU | 15:41 | |
| malini | Is everybody ok with using delete messages by id endpoint to do the pop? | 15:42 |
| malini | we will validate tht the request has either pop or ids, but not both params | 15:42 |
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| kgriffs | and return an error if both are present? | 15:42 |
| malini | kgriffs: yes 400 with appropriate message | 15:43 |
| flaper87 | malini: is that GET /id?pop= ? | 15:43 |
| malini | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/specs/api/v1.1#Delete_Multiple_Messages | 15:43 |
| malini | it will be a new pop param there | 15:43 |
| malini | DELETE /v1.1/queues/{queue_name}/messages?pop=x | 15:44 |
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| malini | where x <max_messages_per_claim | 15:44 |
| kgriffs | I think that the proposal isn't perfect, but there is not perfect solution, and this is a pretty sane choice, all things considered | 15:44 |
| flaper87 | I don't want to start bikeshedding again but why can't it be a /pop endpoint ? | 15:44 |
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| flaper87 | GET|DELETE /messages/pop | 15:44 |
| malini | These are the options we considered https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/marconi-pop-operation | 15:44 |
| malini | kgriffs: you had some thoughts against a new endpoint, rt? | 15:45 |
| alcabrera | I'm in favor of DELETE as the method | 15:46 |
| alcabrera | I'm not opposed to a new endpoint | 15:46 |
| alcabrera | I'm happy with the current proposed version | 15:46 |
| alcabrera | DELETE /v1.1/queues/{queue_name}/messages?pop=x | 15:46 |
| * alcabrera share sthoughts, wanders off for a bit | 15:46 | |
| kgriffs | well, a new endpoint violates the REST architectural style, since you are conflating a resource with an action | 15:46 |
| flaper87 | is it me or etherpad is working bad | 15:46 |
| flaper87 | ? | 15:46 |
| mpanetta | kgriffs++ | 15:47 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: probably just you. ;) | 15:47 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: good point | 15:47 |
| malini | flaper87: it looks ok to me | 15:47 |
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| kgriffs | so, the RESTafarian in me cringes | 15:47 |
| kgriffs | that being said, consider: | 15:47 |
| kgriffs | DELETE /v1.1/queues/messages/pop?limit=10 | 15:47 |
| kgriffs | vs. | 15:47 |
| flaper87 | so, no new endpoint, I think that's a good point | 15:47 |
| kgriffs | DELETE /v1.1/queues/messages?pop=10 | 15:47 |
| kgriffs | not much different, and the second one keeps the RESTafarians happy | 15:47 |
| Obulpathi | +1 | 15:47 |
| flaper87 | it's a +1 from me for: DELETE /v1.1/queues/messages?pop=10 | 15:48 |
| flaper87 | shall we vote? | 15:48 |
| malini | sure | 15:48 |
| malini | though it sounds like all are in favor | 15:48 |
| flaper87 | or at least set an agreed on this | 15:48 |
| mpanetta | aye | 15:48 |
| sriram | I agree as well | 15:48 |
| kgriffs | ok, any opposed? | 15:48 |
| kgriffs | (10 seconds to object) | 15:49 |
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| kgriffs | #agreed Implement POP in the API by adding an additional param to DELETE /v1.1/queues/messages | 15:49 |
| * kgriffs pounds gavel | 15:49 | |
| malini | awesome! | 15:49 |
| malini | Thank You! | 15:49 |
| mpanetta | ---() | 15:49 |
| kgriffs | so... wrt API docs - | 15:50 |
| alcabrera | * /v1.1/queues/{queue}/messages | 15:50 |
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| alcabrera | minor correction | 15:50 |
| kgriffs | I was thinking to reduce confusion, we might want to document that endpoint 2x's, once with each param | 15:50 |
| kgriffs | alcabrera: noted | 15:50 |
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| alcabrera | kgriffs: +1 for multi-doc, and I'd also like to see a fail response documented for when both params are provided | 15:50 |
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| malini | #action: malini will document pop in v1.1 api 2x's, once with each param (pop & ids) | 15:51 |
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| megan_w | perhaps we should do a quick write up of why we chose this method...may be helpful in future graduation reviews or mailing list convos | 15:51 |
| kgriffs | malini: we will need to make sure that gets done in both the WADL and on the wiki | 15:51 |
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| malini | kgriffs: sure | 15:51 |
| kgriffs | megan_w: good idea | 15:51 |
| malini | megan_w: I will summarize the etehrpad discussion | 15:52 |
| kgriffs | malini: we should make a home on the wiki for "decisions history" or something | 15:52 |
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| malini | kgriffs: Or maybe just update the bp ? | 15:53 |
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| megan_w | bp seems like a logical place for it | 15:53 |
| kgriffs | mmm. That could work, but we should still have an index to those blueprints to highlight things we think people may raise an eyebrow about | 15:53 |
| kgriffs | #topic Identify 'low hanging fruit' bps for new contributors | 15:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Identify 'low hanging fruit' bps for new contributors (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:54 | |
| malini | I added this one for our last meeting -but never got to it | 15:54 |
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| kgriffs | ah, ok | 15:55 |
| malini | But the idea was to identify small enough tasks, not in high priority list | 15:55 |
| kgriffs | +1 | 15:55 |
| kgriffs | let's put that in the up-and-coming contributor guide on our wiki | 15:55 |
| malini | This can be the starting point for any new contributors who come in | 15:55 |
| kgriffs | we need to figure out a way to keep it up to date | 15:55 |
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| kgriffs | maybe find a way to tag bp's when we triage them, then have a script that filters on that | 15:56 |
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| malini | Also when we add new bps, we should take a step back & analyze if it will be a good first patch | 15:56 |
| malini | So label them as you create the bp | 15:56 |
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| malini | did everybody leave? | 15:57 |
| kgriffs | #agreed tag existing and new bp's as "fruity" | 15:57 |
| Obulpathi | I am still here | 15:57 |
| malini | Obulpathi: thanks :D | 15:57 |
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| kgriffs | phew, lots of stuff to cover today! | 15:57 |
| kgriffs | Last item | 15:58 |
| Obulpathi | malini: :) | 15:58 |
| kgriffs | #topic sitemap for wiki refactor | 15:58 |
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| kgriffs | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/marconi-wiki-sitemap | 15:58 |
| kgriffs | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/marconi-wiki-sitemap | 15:58 |
| kgriffs | please take a look, and discuss over in #openstack-marconi | 15:58 |
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| kgriffs | #topic open discussion | 15:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:58 | |
| flaper87 | PLEASE: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/draft-marconi-faq | 15:59 |
| flaper87 | I started moving some Q&A to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/FAQ | 15:59 |
| flaper87 | write, read, review, update! Thanks! :) | 15:59 |
| malini | We has some actions for tht last week | 15:59 |
| malini | lets review those in #openstack-marconi | 15:59 |
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| kgriffs | ok, cool | 15:59 |
| Obulpathi | ok | 15:59 |
| kgriffs | oh, one last thing | 16:00 |
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| kgriffs | someone owns Marconi trademark | 16:00 |
| malini | :( | 16:00 |
| vkmc | :/ | 16:00 |
| kgriffs | so we may need to change the name if they can't reach an agreement with the foundation | 16:00 |
| sriram | :O | 16:00 |
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| flaper87 | kgriffs: damnit! | 16:00 |
| malini | maybe we'll become macaroni ! | 16:00 |
| flaper87 | BIKESHED FTW! | 16:00 |
| * flaper87 wants to call it Querconi | 16:01 | |
| kgriffs | malini: LOL. Then our publicity stunt at the summit will be even more awesome. | 16:01 |
| malini | I like that flaper87! | 16:01 |
| kgriffs | How about "Bob" | 16:01 |
| kgriffs | ok, thanks everyone | 16:01 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: Jon Doe | 16:01 |
| flaper87 | kk | 16:01 |
| kgriffs | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:01 | |
| flaper87 | THANKS! | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 22 16:01:35 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| vkmc | haha | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-04-22-15.01.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-04-22-15.01.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-04-22-15.01.log.html | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 22 16:01:44 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 16:01 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2014-04-22_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 16:02 | |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:02 |
| paulmo | Paul Montgomery | 16:02 |
| datsun180b | Ed Cranford | 16:02 |
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| muralia1 | Murali Allada | 16:02 |
| noorul | Noorul Islam K M | 16:02 |
| aratim | Arati Mahimane | 16:02 |
| julienvey | Julien Vey | 16:02 |
| devkulkarni | Devdatta Kulkarni | 16:02 |
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| ravips | Ravi Sankar Penta | 16:03 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 16:04 | |
| gokrokve | Georgy Okrokvertskhov | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | We are a globally distributed team. So, some of our contributors and reviewers are asleep during this meeting timeslot | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | we agreed to begin alternating our meeting times to address this | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | New Alternating Meeting Time - Tuesdays at 2200 UTC, Starting 2014-04-29 | 16:05 |
| tomblank | tom blankenship | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | so the next time we meet, we will be using our alternate meeting time | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | same IRC channel | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | I need to tweak the links in the "Local Time" table shown at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum | 16:06 |
| devkulkarni | that is 5.00pm in Austin, 3.00pm in bay area | 16:06 |
| noorul | adrian_otto: I think only Angus is asleep during this time | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | so they reflect the correct dates. | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | noorul: yes. | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | he indicated he can make the other time. | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | any discussion on the alternating week's meeting time? | 16:07 |
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| devkulkarni | great to have it finally locked down | 16:07 |
| * funzo makes a note of the new time in the cal | 16:07 | |
| adrian_otto | Warning: Don't try and use the "add to calendar" feature from the timeanddate.com using the links I provided | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | unless you set up your own recurrence settings, and base it on UTC, not local time | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | otherwise every 6 months your calendar will be out of sync with the actual time, if you are in a country/province/state that observes DST | 16:09 |
| devkulkarni | welcome ravips | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | ravips: hi there | 16:09 |
| funzo | ravips: welcome! | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | would you like to address the team? | 16:09 |
| ravips | hey Adrian and Dev..thx..just started looking at solum couple of days back. | 16:10 |
| devkulkarni | cool. we are in #solum | 16:10 |
| ravips | yep, I'm on #solum | 16:11 |
| devkulkarni | except when we all are here that is :) | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | ravips: terrific. Please let us know if there is anything you need, or something we can do to help. | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | any other announcements from other team members? | 16:11 |
| ravips | hee :)..will be playing with openstack/solum this week..will ping you guys in case of any questions/doubts | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, advancing to our next topic... | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:12 |
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| noorul | ravips: welcome | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | adrian_otto to close the voting on the New Alternating Meeting Time Vote, and send the results to the ML | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | this is complete, except I have not yet announced it to the ML | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to announce the alternating meeting schedule to the ML | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | so I will carry that over to next time | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | roshanagr1 to propose a working group, and schedule a recurring series to get input from contributors, and iterate on a plan for adding Environments as a feature to Solum and/or OpenStack | 16:13 |
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| adrian_otto | I don't think Roshan is present today, but I was invited to a working group | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | he held a poll on Doodle for it | 16:14 |
| devkulkarni | yeah. the meetings will start on thursday 8.00am Austin time in #solum | 16:14 |
| julienvey | adrian_otto: yes on thursday | 16:14 |
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| paulmo | I think Roshan is joining now | 16:14 |
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| adrian_otto | which os 06:00 my time (yawn) | 16:14 |
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| noorul | adrian_otto: I missed it | 16:14 |
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| noorul | I think we should announce such polls in ML | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | yes, agreed | 16:14 |
| roshanagr1 | Hi | 16:15 |
| tomblank | noorul: +1 | 16:15 |
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| adrian_otto | should we record that in a #agreed? | 16:15 |
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| tomblank | we should also make sure working group minutes, etc are posted to ML as well. | 16:15 |
| devkulkarni | +1 | 16:15 |
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| roshanagr1 | @noorul: agree | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | #agreed that new working groups and team meetings shall be announced in the openstack-dev mailing list with the [Solum] topic in the subject line | 16:15 |
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| roshanagr1 | on the Environments working group, is it currenly scheduled for Thu 8 am Central US time. | 16:16 |
| julienvey | tomblank: I think that was done for the previous working groups, so no reason we don't do the same | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so what 06:00 PDT in UTC? | 16:16 |
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| tomblank | julienvey: yes, but sometimes we forgot :) so just a reminder | 16:16 |
| roshanagr1 | it is | 16:16 |
| noorul | Is that US only timing ? | 16:17 |
| roshanagr1 | no | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | ok, 1300 UTC | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | for the new Environments working group | 16:18 |
| noorul | It is IST friendly :) | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/?qm=1&lid=2174003,100,1277333,5368361&h=2174003&date=2014-4-24&sln=23-24 | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | ok, next action item... | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | adrian_otto to drop https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/deploy-workflow from the weekly agenda [complete] | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | now, the next section is normally Review Blueprints | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | but we are starting to experiment using Tasks (LP Bugs) instead | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | so I am calling this "Review Tasks" | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | also, I am changing the naming convention of the milestones | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | to use the YYYY.R.R format | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | for example when we released M1, that was actually 2014.1.1 | 16:21 |
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| adrian_otto | so the two links in the agenda to taksks by milestone are busted | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | and I will be fixing that | 16:22 |
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| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to rename milestone-N milestones in LP to YYYY.R.R format | 16:22 |
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| adrian_otto | I am also targeting the tasks to these milestones | 16:22 |
| noorul | Are we not going to use blueprint at all? | 16:22 |
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| adrian_otto | noorul: Yes, for Epic level feature descrioptions | 16:23 |
| noorul | It is always good to say implements blueprint than fixes-bug for features | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | I also want to propose one more idea for consideration by the team | 16:23 |
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| adrian_otto | noorul: agreed, we can still do that | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | what we started to do is make more granular blueprints | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | which makes it more difficult to manage the work backlog | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | so by recording top level features in BPs and Tasks in bugs, we get the singular work backlog we want | 16:25 |
| noorul | So the commit log will have both implements blueprint and fixes bug ? | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | if there is a Task for the feature, then it will have a fixes-bug | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | if there is not, then it will have an implements-blueprint | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | but let me get to my proposal | 16:26 |
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| adrian_otto | the Nova team has begun using a repo of text files for designs | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | that are put through the same review process as code | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | which allows for a more specific level of collaboration compared to blueprints | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | this way it could be very clear what's approved by the team, and what we are still iterating on | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | and a way of cleanly recording alternate points of view | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | thoughts on this? | 16:28 |
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| julienvey | I'm not a big fan of this. at least for now | 16:29 |
| noorul | -1 | 16:29 |
| devkulkarni | I like this | 16:29 |
| datsun180b | -1 don't we have a wiki and bps already | 16:29 |
| ravips | -1 | 16:29 |
| aratim | -1 | 16:29 |
| julienvey | nova has a huge team, with many contributors, that's the reason they decided to do this | 16:29 |
| julienvey | we are pretty small | 16:29 |
| noorul | I would like solum to mature | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: hang on one sec and I will come back to you | 16:29 |
| noorul | This is too early for approvals to come in before implementing | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | I want to hear out noorul and julienvey | 16:29 |
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| adrian_otto | that was my initial reaction when I considered the idea | 16:30 |
| noorul | adrian_otto: It is really a great but not now is what I feel | 16:30 |
| julienvey | noorul: +1 | 16:30 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, devkulkarni please tell us what you like about the idea | 16:31 |
| devkulkarni | wikis and bps usually don't provide complete picture (they also become out of date soon) | 16:31 |
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| devkulkarni | about the spec repo itself.. | 16:31 |
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| devkulkarni | I think it provides a replacement to whiteboarding sessions that we as a globally distributed team miss out on | 16:32 |
| devkulkarni | of course I understand that review comments fill that gap | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: consider this... | 16:32 |
| devkulkarni | but I thought having a spec repo will provide quicker feedback than actually implementing the code | 16:32 |
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| funzo | it's hard to tell from blueprints what is no longer relevant, but I don't think that's a tooling problem and moving it to text files isn't going to fix that issue, it'll just move it to a different place to be potentially out of date | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | if you submit a WIP review against the solum repo, and it just included a design, such as an RST file, you could get input on that and get a sense for how effective it is for this team | 16:33 |
| noorul | funzo: +1 | 16:33 |
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| datsun180b | oh please don't enforce RST if it's going to show up as a diff in gerrit | 16:34 |
| funzo | it's a matter of discipline, of keeping all the info - in detail and with dates in one place for folks to go look at and know where to jump in to help | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | in all honesty if I spend 80 hours a week in Launchpad we could have a really crisp picture of everything | 16:34 |
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| funzo | adrian_otto: yeah, that sounds miserable | 16:34 |
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| adrian_otto | but I am willing to step up my level of commitment to organizing tasks and BPs, and potentially designs one day | 16:35 |
| noorul | Having one person owning it will be great | 16:35 |
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| adrian_otto | devkulkarni do you want to try experimenting with a design posted as a WIP? | 16:36 |
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| devkulkarni | okay. you all have convinced me. | 16:36 |
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| julienvey | ? | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | if your gut feeling is right, then we should see benefit from that | 16:36 |
| noorul | adrian_otto: RST file ? | 16:36 |
| devkulkarni | convinced me that spec repo may not necessarily be good at this stage | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | noorul: yep | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | ok, good discussion | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | I am going to record an #agreed on this one | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | #agreed to table consideration of using a spec/design repo for Solum | 16:37 |
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| tomblank | btw, , there will be a cross-project workshop at the design summit about tracking incoming features -- "covering blueprint proposal, approval and prioritization. the session will discuss extending the "-specs" repositories experience and see how it fits the whole picture on the long run" | 16:37 |
| devkulkarni | tomblank: do you know the date and time of it? | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | tomblank: please share a link to that for reference by the team | 16:38 |
| noorul | Do we have a plan for our meeting @ summit? | 16:38 |
| tomblank | this is what i have http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/3 | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | noorul: We applied for the OpenSource @ OpenStack Summit | 16:38 |
| tomblank | it was from an email to the openstack-dev list by Thierry Carrez | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | they were supposed to make their selections this past Friday. but I have not heard back | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | we are anticipating a 1/2 day workshop on Tues or Wed | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | there is also a 90 minute Session on Tuesday for Solum/Murano discussion in the "Other Projects" track of the Design Summit | 16:40 |
| devkulkarni | are there other such sessions that we should be aware of? as a team, do we want to try to cover as much potentially useful/important/relevant sessions as possible? | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to follow up with Lauren Sell about "OpenSource at OpenStack Summit" | 16:40 |
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| adrian_otto | would anyone like to discuss any particular tasks, bugs, or other workstream related items before I switch to Open Discussion? | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:43 |
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| paulmo | I created an etherpad with some Solum M2 Demo prototypes for the community to review/comment on: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Solum_M2_Demo | 16:43 |
| paulmo | I would just ask that we rapidly review/comment as there isn't much runway. :) | 16:43 |
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| adrian_otto | paulmo: I love the http://192.237.213.128/plan_canvas.html prototype | 16:45 |
| datsun180b | you should see it in motion | 16:45 |
| noorul | Is this http://192.237.213.128/images/home_page.png what Angus is working on? | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | I did notice that once I make a line it is permanent | 16:45 |
| julienvey | paulmo: we should be careful about the application composition part | 16:45 |
| datsun180b | oh those aren't screenshots, you are | 16:45 |
| julienvey | it really is the same thing as murano | 16:45 |
| paulmo | Angus is looking at Horizon plugins, hopefully he can provide feedback soon to the community. | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | Angus has started some work on a plugin here: https://github.com/rackerlabs/solum-horizon | 16:46 |
| roshanagr1 | @paulmo: great work on the UI so far. I love the way it is coming about | 16:46 |
| paulmo | adrian_otto: Yes, this is very early. I didn't pretty things up much or anything as I expect rapid changes. I'll have line removal later and such. Already on my todo list | 16:46 |
| noorul | App Definition Canvas looks interesting | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | paulmo: great! | 16:47 |
| paulmo | I'll be adding restrictions on what may be linked and everything as well. It will be very different in a day or two. | 16:47 |
| tomblank | paulmo: great job... | 16:48 |
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| noorul | julienvey: Does murano has something similar to this Canvas? | 16:48 |
| paulmo | But again, please write in input soon so we have time to act on it. | 16:48 |
| julienvey | noorul: yes | 16:48 |
| julienvey | noorul: I can try to find a link, 1s | 16:48 |
| rajdeep | mocks look different | 16:48 |
| paulmo | PS: Murali, Ed and Roshan helped significantly. Credit goes to them. | 16:48 |
| rajdeep | than anything i have seen in other paas implementations | 16:48 |
| rajdeep | good job | 16:48 |
| roshanagr1 | @rajdeep: anything that stands out that we should do differently? | 16:49 |
| noorul | paulmo: muralia datsun180b roshanagr1 : Cool stuff | 16:49 |
| rajdeep | App canvas looks pretty interesting ... | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | yes, it's exciting to see this all coming together. I'm thrilled to be part of such a talented team. | 16:50 |
| rajdeep | most of the UIs in the paas world are an after thought | 16:50 |
| funzo | adrian_otto: who should I talk to about nova-docker usage in solum? | 16:50 |
| datsun180b | strike "in the paas world" and you'll still have a valid statement | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | funzo: I'm interested in that topic | 16:50 |
| julienvey | noorul: they have the app catalog in murano-dashboard, but don't find a screenshot | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | and so is paulczar, who is out on vacation for about a week | 16:51 |
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| julienvey | funzo: I'm also looking at that | 16:51 |
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| funzo | adrian_otto: ok. I'm in contact with derekh, he's submitted a CI patch to create a job upstream, and I'm in contact with slower, he's looking at tempest coverage | 16:51 |
| funzo | julienvey: oh cool | 16:52 |
| noorul | julienvey: I see | 16:52 |
| rajdeep | it will be great to have a UI view of persistent store | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | funzo: that sounds promising | 16:52 |
| funzo | julienvey: adrian_otto: i'm trying to figure out the exact direction an priority of getting nova-docker into the compute service and what work still needs to be done - then focus on features | 16:52 |
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| funzo | adrian_otto: i've created the #nova-docker on freenode for us to talk about the work | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | funzo: excellent! Any way I can help? | 16:52 |
| paulmo | rajdeep: Feel free to ping me and discuss your suggestions. :) | 16:52 |
| julienvey | funzo: great! | 16:53 |
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| adrian_otto | funzo: will will join that channel | 16:53 |
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| funzo | adrian_otto: just trying to distill the work that needs to happen at this point and identify any overlap between work items that anyone has started | 16:53 |
| julienvey | funzo: first task was to make the driver work with devstack | 16:53 |
| julienvey | funzo: this is almost done | 16:54 |
| rajdeep | sure @paulmo | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | tomblank: can you watch in #nova-docker as well, please? | 16:54 |
| funzo | julienvey: is that what you've been working on? | 16:54 |
| funzo | julienvey: I've been trying to glue all the email posts together to get an idea what is relevant and what is outdated | 16:54 |
| julienvey | funzo: I've been reporting bugs on the driver while I was testing it in Solum | 16:54 |
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| adrian_otto | time check: 5 minutes remaining | 16:55 |
| julienvey | funzo: we have some bugs working with docker and neutron | 16:55 |
| julienvey | but I haven't tried to spot the issue yet | 16:55 |
| funzo | julienvey: ok, I'll continue the topic in #solum | 16:55 |
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| julienvey | I'll have to leave after this meeting but I will be on IRC tomorrow, in both #solum and #nova-docker | 16:56 |
| funzo | julienvey: sounds good | 16:57 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, thanks everyone for attending. Are there any stragglers who have not yet chimed in who would like to be recorded in attendance today? Chime in now... | 16:58 |
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| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 22 16:59:25 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-04-22-16.01.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-04-22-16.01.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-04-22-16.01.log.html | 16:59 |
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| ruhe | #startmeeting murano | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 22 17:01:53 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ruhe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:01 |
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| ruhe | #topic Roll call | 17:02 |
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| ruhe | ruslan kamaldinov | 17:02 |
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| tsufiev_ | o/ | 17:02 |
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| ativelkov | o/ | 17:02 |
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| dteselkin_ | Dmitry Teselkin | 17:02 |
| ativelkov | Alexander Tivelkov | 17:02 |
| tsufiev_ | hm... Timur Sufiev | 17:03 |
| sergmelikyan | Serg Melikyan | 17:03 |
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| ankurrr | Ankur Rishi | 17:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hey folks, IMO it's better to add nickname to real name to meeting logs or keep irc's real name in actual state | 17:03 |
| ruhe | great, seems that we the critical mass here | 17:03 |
| ruhe | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda | 17:04 |
| ruhe | #topic Action Items Review | 17:04 |
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| ruhe | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-04-15-17.03.txt | 17:04 |
| ruhe | first one is on me - ruhe file a BP to track conversion of existing apps to the new DSL | 17:05 |
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| ruhe | i failed this one. will add a new AI | 17:05 |
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| ruhe | #action ruhe file a BP to track conversion of existing apps to the new DSL | 17:05 |
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| sergmelikyan | ruhe, sorry, you did asked me to do this and I totally forgot :( Sorry ( | 17:05 |
| ruhe | sergmelikyan: ah, right | 17:05 |
| ruhe | #undo | 17:05 |
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| sergmelikyan | I had started working on transferring applications to new DSL and converted Apache today | 17:06 |
| ruhe | #action sergmelikyan file a BP to track conversion of existing apps to the new DSL | 17:06 |
| ruhe | next AI is also on me - setup infrastructure for dev-docs building and publishing | 17:06 |
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| ruhe | now we can build our docs with 'tox -e docs' and there is a patch on review in infra to push docs to murano-api.readthedocs.org | 17:07 |
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| ruhe | also, i have a patch with basic developer documentation: | 17:07 |
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| ruhe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88107/ | 17:07 |
| ruhe | you can see how it would like here: | 17:07 |
| ruhe | #link http://murano-api.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ | 17:07 |
| katyafervent2 | that's cool! | 17:07 |
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| sjmc7 | ah, very cool | 17:08 |
| ruhe | next AI is - sergmelikyan don't forget about and schedule a bug scrub day | 17:08 |
| sergmelikyan | ruhe, scheduled by tnurlygayanov to tomorrow | 17:08 |
| ruhe | sergmelikyan: at what time (UTC)? | 17:08 |
| ativelkov | 16:00 UTC afair | 17:09 |
| sergmelikyan | 16:00? | 17:09 |
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| ruhe | #info bug scrub scheduled for Wednesday 16:00 UTC | 17:09 |
| ruhe | next AI is: slagun file a bug about missing "advanced networking" | 17:09 |
| slagun | done | 17:09 |
| ativelkov | And I am already working on it | 17:10 |
| ruhe | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano/+bug/1308921 | 17:10 |
| ruhe | #info advanced networking re-assigned to ativelkov | 17:10 |
| ruhe | next AI is - slagun implement "advanced networking" in 0.5 | 17:10 |
| ruhe | that'll be an AI for ativelkov :) | 17:10 |
| ativelkov | yup | 17:11 |
| ruhe | i don't think we need to track it in the meeting logs. everybody's aware | 17:11 |
| ruhe | #topic Release status | 17:11 |
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| ruhe | #link https://launchpad.net/murano/+milestone/0.5 | 17:11 |
| ruhe | all the features (except for adv. networking) are implemented AFAIK | 17:11 |
| ruhe | gokrokve: what about billing UI? | 17:12 |
| gokrokve | As soon as I can deploy something I will do it. | 17:12 |
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| ruhe | gokrokve: any estimates for the actual work? | 17:12 |
| gokrokve | It should be pretty straight forward as all components are here. Just need to see actual data to represent it correctly. | 17:13 |
| gokrokve | So couple days. | 17:13 |
| ruhe | gokrokve: good | 17:13 |
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| ruhe | i hope we'll find more about missing bugs tomorrow on the bug scrub | 17:14 |
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| tsufiev_ | missing bugs = bugs yet to be found :)? | 17:14 |
| ruhe | would anyone like to add something about release status? | 17:14 |
| ruhe | tsufiev_: i'd say - critical bugs to be fixed in this release | 17:15 |
| ruhe | ok, let's move on | 17:15 |
| ruhe | #topic Voting for the proper term 'Application being deployed/configured in an Environment' | 17:15 |
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| ruhe | tsufiev_: your turn | 17:16 |
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| tsufiev_ | can i start the voting? | 17:16 |
| ruhe | tsufiev_: only i can do it | 17:16 |
| ruhe | but before we start, i'd like to be sure that everyone understands what we're voting for | 17:16 |
| sjmc7 | yes please | 17:17 |
| tsufiev_ | so far we invented the following alternatives for an 'Application inside an Environment': Service, Application Deployment, Solution, Component | 17:17 |
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| tsufiev_ | ruhe, ok, i'll copy-paste note from the Agenda... | 17:17 |
| tsufiev_ | Currently we have an 'Application' as entity in AppCatalog. Using an OOP analogy it is like a Class, while instances of that class are being added to an Environment - for later deployment. 'Class instance' entity is now called 'Service' - but that is a legacy of times when Murano aimed to deploy Windows services only. So that term should be remade. | 17:17 |
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| tsufiev_ | so, back to the voting options... has anyone coined some new term? | 17:18 |
| katyafervent2 | Application draft? | 17:18 |
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| ativelkov | more important: Application are not "just any classes", they are specific classes | 17:18 |
| igormarnat_ | So we can consider adding Daemon to the list, right, since we had services for windows? | 17:18 |
| tsufiev_ | katyafervent2, thanks, added | 17:19 |
| ativelkov | they are not drafts: once they are deployed, at least | 17:19 |
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| tsufiev_ | to me, the 'Component' option seems a good fit | 17:19 |
| sjmc7 | Daemon is not a very user-friendly term | 17:19 |
| tsufiev_ | thanks to ativelkov :) | 17:19 |
| sergmelikyan | sjmc7, +1 | 17:19 |
| sjmc7 | i think i also like 'Component' from that list | 17:19 |
| igormarnat_ | Well, it's well know in Linux, right | 17:19 |
| ativelkov | Daemon is something very *nix'y | 17:20 |
| igormarnat_ | Yep | 17:20 |
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| tsufiev_ | i think, if there are no other alternatives, we can start voting | 17:20 |
| slagun | I suggest using both words interchangeably depending on particular application and context. All services are applications and most of applications in the cloud are services. We have app-catalog but sometimes word "service" is more appropriate | 17:21 |
| ruhe | tsufiev_: can you give me a list of options? | 17:21 |
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| sjmc7 | an 'application' might consist of multiple services in the software sense | 17:21 |
| ativelkov | service is a kind of running application | 17:21 |
| slagun | service is an applications that serves someone | 17:21 |
| tsufiev_ | ruhe, 'Service', 'Application', 'Application Deployment', 'Solution', 'Application Draft', 'Component', 'Daemon' | 17:22 |
| ativelkov | MySQL is a service, that's true. But the network - which is a part of environment and may be a 1sty class citizen of a catalog - is not a service | 17:22 |
| tsufiev_ | folks, did i miss something? | 17:22 |
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| sergmelikyan | tsufiev_, I think we could start voting :) | 17:22 |
| slagun | tsufiev_ you've missed my option "both/all" | 17:22 |
| ativelkov | Brick | 17:22 |
| ruhe | #startvote How should we name 'Application being deployed/configured in an Environment'? Service, Application, Application Deployment, Solution, Application Draft, Component, Daemon | 17:22 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: How should we name 'Application being deployed/configured in an Environment'? Valid vote options are Service, Application, Application, Deployment, Solution, Application, Draft, Component, Daemon. | 17:22 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 17:22 |
| sergmelikyan | #vote Component | 17:23 |
| ankurrr | #vote Application Deployment | 17:23 |
| openstack | ankurrr: Application Deployment is not a valid option. Valid options are Service, Application, Application, Deployment, Solution, Application, Draft, Component, Daemon. | 17:23 |
| tsufiev_ | #vote Component | 17:23 |
| katyafervent2 | # Component | 17:23 |
| ativelkov | #vote Component | 17:23 |
| dteselkin_ | #vote Component | 17:23 |
| igormarnat_ | #vote Application | 17:23 |
| sjmc7 | Application is in there twice.. | 17:23 |
| sjmc7 | #vote Component | 17:23 |
| ankurrr | Ah, one of them is supposed to be "Application Deployment". I think that's why "Application" is in there twice | 17:24 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: right. i had to wrap it in quotes. but we'll count vote from ankurrr manually | 17:24 |
| tsufiev_ | ruhe, i suspect there should be 'Application Deployment'... but seems it doesn't matter anyway ) | 17:24 |
| ruhe | #endvote | 17:24 |
| openstack | Voted on "How should we name 'Application being deployed/configured in an Environment'?" Results are | 17:24 |
| openstack | Application (1): igormarnat_ | 17:24 |
| openstack | Component (5): dteselkin_, tsufiev_, sjmc7, ativelkov, sergmelikyan | 17:24 |
| slagun | my option is missing. And there are components and there are applications. Components are not applications and applications are not components | 17:24 |
| katyafervent2 | I missed vote :) | 17:24 |
| ativelkov | Applications are components of composed environments | 17:25 |
| ruhe | katyafervent2: the result of the vote is clear anyway | 17:25 |
| ruhe | #info How should we name 'Application being deployed/configured in an Environment'? Answer: Component | 17:25 |
| igormarnat_ | Anyway, seems component won, so | 17:25 |
| ativelkov | composite* | 17:25 |
| ruhe | let's move on | 17:25 |
| sjmc7 | we can stick with the vote for now and do it again another day? :) | 17:25 |
| slagun | If you call MySQL a component that would not make sense | 17:25 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: sure, anyone can bring this vote on every meeting :) | 17:25 |
| ruhe | #topic Drafting plan for the next release cycle | 17:25 |
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| ruhe | so, we have a bunch of blueprints and valuable feedback from sjmc7 and his team | 17:26 |
| ativelkov | We hame like 35 minutes left, I guess we will not make it ) But let's just do a first part | 17:26 |
| ruhe | i guess we can walk through each item and discuss it from high-level perspective | 17:26 |
| sjmc7 | ok, ruhe. i've tried to include blueprint links where applicable | 17:26 |
| ruhe | my goal - is to have an understanding if each of this features is applicable to murano and where BPs can be extended with more details | 17:27 |
| ruhe | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/packages-without-classes | 17:27 |
| sjmc7 | ruhe - you want me to give explanation? or people ask questions? | 17:28 |
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| ruhe | sjmc7: we discussed this list during the day. i guess people might have questions | 17:28 |
| sjmc7 | shoot | 17:28 |
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| ruhe | ativelkov, sergmelikyan: what's your feedback on this one? | 17:28 |
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| igormarnat_ | ruhe: I have one more goal | 17:29 |
| igormarnat_ | We also need to discuss an approach to tosca | 17:29 |
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| ativelkov | So, this eventually suggests us to store kinda "hyperlinks" in the catalog, right? | 17:29 |
| sjmc7 | ativelkov - yes | 17:29 |
| sjmc7 | but also allow API intergration | 17:29 |
| ruhe | igormarnat_: that's a very good goal | 17:29 |
| sjmc7 | with services outside of a stack | 17:29 |
| ruhe | igormarnat_: i support it | 17:30 |
| ativelkov | This worries me a little as this slightly blurs our mission: we want to be an application catalog for OpenStack, and hyperlinks are not applications :) | 17:30 |
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| sjmc7 | true :) the links are to applications which are, for the most part, running in other clouds | 17:30 |
| ankurrr | perhaps we could include a way to turn it on and off | 17:30 |
| gokrokve | ativelkov: There was an idea to work with trove and other servises and expose apps provisioned by other services. | 17:31 |
| ativelkov | gokrokve: that is different | 17:31 |
| ruhe | gokrokve: that is covered in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/call-api-from-workflows | 17:31 |
| ativelkov | that idea suggest to have a runnable code (MuranoPL, TOSCA etc) to run the interaction with that services | 17:31 |
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| ativelkov | But this suggests just to have a catalog records without anything runnable underneath | 17:32 |
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| sjmc7 | the longer term goal is to integrate those kinds of catalog listings in the same way | 17:32 |
| slagun | Having packages without classes looks a little bit like an attempt to turn Murano into advertising network | 17:32 |
| ativelkov | I understand the reasons for that | 17:32 |
| tsufiev_ | ativelkov, the main point i see here is to have an Application package which hasn't 'deploy' interface - so it cannot be added to any environment | 17:32 |
| ativelkov | tsufiev_: This is perfectly fine techically | 17:33 |
| ruhe | my view on this BP - it has a real-world use-case, so we need to have it. realworld use-cases should drive OpenStack projects | 17:33 |
| sergmelikyan | I am not sure how correctly implement this blueprint, but I grok this use-case and agree that this is valuable. I don't know for now, how to implement this without hard-coding this feature to all Murano components. I am not sure that new 'package type' is a valid extension point. | 17:33 |
| ativelkov | Actually, I believe that the "Deploy" button should be dynamic anyway | 17:33 |
| tsufiev_ | ativelkov, yes, i understand, that your concern here is more conceptual than technical | 17:33 |
| sjmc7 | i agree this is a conceptual argument. on the other hand, what goes INTO a catalog is the responsibility of an admin | 17:34 |
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| tsufiev_ | it's not 'how?' but rather 'why?' | 17:34 |
| sjmc7 | so the functionality being present doesn't necessarily mean it must be used | 17:34 |
| ativelkov | I.e. when the user looks to the app details, the UI makes a call to the API which will tell if the application can be deployed | 17:34 |
| ativelkov | And the logic which makes this decision may be quite different | 17:34 |
| ativelkov | It actually may be even MuranoPL-code! | 17:34 |
| sergmelikyan | I think we can discuss technical implementation a little bit more, but not on this meeting. I see that all core members agree that this is valuable feature | 17:35 |
| ativelkov | For such "links" this logic will simply return "false" ) | 17:35 |
| sjmc7 | i'm happy to argue this one later if there are still people who don't feel comfortable with it | 17:35 |
| sergmelikyan | And we can plan to have this in near feature/ | 17:35 |
| ativelkov | I think we just need to pick a proper terminology here | 17:35 |
| ativelkov | We just need to call this smth like "external applications" or something like that | 17:35 |
| sjmc7 | ativelkov - yes, i agree we'll need a different name | 17:36 |
| ativelkov | to keep our catalog full of applications and nothing else) | 17:36 |
| gokrokve | What will be the action when user ads such hyperlink app to the environment? | 17:36 |
| ruhe | ativelkov: how would you answer this question "If you forget about technical implementation. Would you like to see this feature in Murano?" | 17:36 |
| ativelkov | gokrokve: there will be no way to add it. There will be just info box | 17:36 |
| sjmc7 | gokrokve - you wouldn't add it to an environment | 17:36 |
| tsufiev_ | gokrokve, nothing should happen :) | 17:36 |
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| gokrokve | it sounds strange :-) | 17:37 |
| ativelkov | ruhe: let me be precise: I am ok if we add it ) | 17:37 |
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| ruhe | so, it seems like almost everybody is ok with this feature. but we need more discussions about actual implementation. agree? | 17:38 |
| tsufiev_ | also, we can regulate with AppCatalog preferences, whether such 'Apps' should be shown or not | 17:38 |
| ativelkov | The idea behind this may be much bigger: say, "The current version of the Application is external, so please follow the external link to deploy it... BUT we are likely to make it deployable in future" | 17:38 |
| tsufiev_ | ativelkov, +1 | 17:39 |
| sjmc7 | ativelkov - yes, in some cases, there may be multiple possibilities (deploy yourself, use a third-party cloud service) | 17:39 |
| ativelkov | So this may be thought of as a placeholder in the catalog | 17:39 |
| tsufiev_ | 'Future App' :) | 17:39 |
| tsufiev_ | or 'Promise' | 17:39 |
| ativelkov | Good. Seems like we are in agreement | 17:40 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: i guess you can start drafting a document with high-level implementation details | 17:40 |
| ativelkov | ruhe, please go on | 17:40 |
| sjmc7 | ok ruhe | 17:40 |
| ruhe | the next one is "credentials store" | 17:40 |
| ruhe | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/3rd-party-credential-storage | 17:40 |
| sjmc7 | the next one is a later extensiopn of this | 17:40 |
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| sjmc7 | we could possibly skip this in the interests of time | 17:40 |
| ruhe | barbican is was comes to my mind when we speak about "credentials storage" | 17:41 |
| sjmc7 | ruhe - agreed | 17:41 |
| ruhe | *is what | 17:41 |
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| sjmc7 | this one may be as simple as a call to barbican | 17:41 |
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| ruhe | sergmelikyan: ativelkov: tsufiev_: any comments on this one? | 17:42 |
| tsufiev_ | nope | 17:42 |
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| ativelkov | There are two options here | 17:42 |
| ativelkov | 1) store predefined credentials | 17:42 |
| ativelkov | Then it is Barbican | 17:42 |
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| ativelkov | 2) Generate a credential pair during the deployment | 17:43 |
| sjmc7 | i'm thinking 1) for this, ativelkov | 17:43 |
| sjmc7 | for our specific use case | 17:43 |
| sjmc7 | but being able to get to them from a catalog entry | 17:43 |
| ativelkov | Then there should be a barbican client class | 17:43 |
| sjmc7 | yep | 17:43 |
| ativelkov | From MuranoPL point of view it is an easy deal | 17:43 |
| sjmc7 | so technically i think this one is very simple | 17:43 |
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| ativelkov | Yes, while we are still on MuranoPL. | 17:44 |
| sergmelikyan | First one may be also a wrapper around Barbican to provide to the applications data in specific format. For example set of credentials for sendgrid raise then a generic secret from barbica | 17:44 |
| ativelkov | Yes, but that are impl details already | 17:44 |
| ativelkov | I believe we agree that the feature is needed | 17:44 |
| ativelkov | I just want to point that we need to keep compatibility in mind and not to add anything which will not be possible to implment with TOSCA | 17:45 |
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| ruhe | ativelkov: TOSCA is just a way to describe application. i think it should be feasible in TOSCA too | 17:45 |
| ruhe | but, let's move on | 17:46 |
| ruhe | #info we need https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/3rd-party-credential-storage ; barbican seems like a perfect fit | 17:46 |
| sjmc7 | ok | 17:46 |
| ruhe | Additional author/supplier information | 17:46 |
| ruhe | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/additional-author-information | 17:46 |
| sjmc7 | this will involve probably a DB model and some UI work | 17:46 |
| ativelkov | Yes, but I want to clarify | 17:47 |
| sjmc7 | does not affect workflow | 17:47 |
| sjmc7 | sure | 17:47 |
| ativelkov | So, this "supplier" is not the package author, it is more like "the author of the packaged software", right? | 17:47 |
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| sjmc7 | ativelkov - yeah, that's a reasonable way to look at it | 17:48 |
| tsufiev_ | the idea that we need to change DB model for each such UI change seems a bit awkward to me | 17:48 |
| gokrokve | Also I think it will be great to think about app package signature verification. | 17:48 |
| ativelkov | gokrokve: very good point, I wanted to say exactly this | 17:48 |
| sjmc7 | tsufiev_ - a supplier may apply to multiple packages | 17:48 |
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| tsufiev_ | so we could think in direction of making DB model more flexible | 17:48 |
| ativelkov | We had a plan to introduce a concept of package signing | 17:48 |
| gokrokve | cool | 17:49 |
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| tsufiev_ | sjmc7, yes, i understand... i agree that some db entity is needed... | 17:49 |
| ativelkov | like, the author signs the package using PGP or some similar technology, and the catalog verifies the signature | 17:49 |
| sergmelikyan | It is very valuable, and ativelkov you had great example about this information from books management software - author name may be written differently in the package but should point to details about same author. | 17:49 |
| sjmc7 | ok. again, we can discuss technical details perhaps later | 17:49 |
| ativelkov | Yes, I agree that the feature is needed, but some concepts has to be defined before goint to the design | 17:50 |
| sjmc7 | agrred | 17:50 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: i'd suggest to create and link an etherpad (etherpad.openstack.org) document to each blueprint | 17:50 |
| sjmc7 | ruhe - yep, sure | 17:50 |
| ruhe | that's what we need for all our blueprints | 17:50 |
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| ruhe | #info agreed to include https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/additional-author-information in the feature list; more technical discussions needed | 17:50 |
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| ativelkov | because this introduces kind of double authorship, and this may cause confusion when we start implementing other features related to authorship | 17:51 |
| ruhe | also i think this one fits into TOSCA | 17:51 |
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| ativelkov | ruhe: this actually has nothing to do with it as it is just a catalog-related feature | 17:51 |
| sjmc7 | ativelkov - i'll draw up a design and we can discuss it. and yes, it is catalog only | 17:51 |
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| ativelkov | sjmc7: sure | 17:52 |
| ruhe | ativelkov: TOSCA has something similar to package description format | 17:52 |
| ruhe | next one is - Support for contacting 3rd-party APIs https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/call-api-from-workflows | 17:52 |
| sjmc7 | sergmelikyan already pointed out this was proposed previously | 17:52 |
| ativelkov | This was always part of initial design | 17:52 |
| sergmelikyan | ruhe how we will integrate our packages with TOSCA packages is another hard questions :( | 17:53 |
| ruhe | sergmelikyan: agree | 17:53 |
| sjmc7 | so consider it a plus 1 for that feature from us | 17:53 |
| ruhe | ok, let's move on then | 17:53 |
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| ruhe | we can jump through the rest of the topics now :) | 17:53 |
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| ruhe | * Better unit test coverage | 17:53 |
| ativelkov | Better is better then worse :) | 17:54 |
| ruhe | we can shoot anyone who disagrees with that :) | 17:54 |
| sjmc7 | :) the reason i added it | 17:54 |
| sjmc7 | is that there were a number of bugs that would've been easier to fix with tests there, and it will help incubation chances | 17:54 |
| sjmc7 | not as a criticism | 17:54 |
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| ativelkov | sjmc7: +100 | 17:54 |
| ativelkov | we see a lot of regression recently | 17:54 |
| ruhe | i hope we'll have all the need infrastructure to build and publish test coverage results | 17:55 |
| sjmc7 | yes | 17:55 |
| ruhe | next one is: | 17:55 |
| ruhe | * Permission policies in line with other openstack services (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/policy-checks-in-api) | 17:55 |
| sjmc7 | the idea there is that it's an openstack-standard way of defining who can perform certain operations if an admin doesn't like the default | 17:56 |
| ativelkov | Yes, this is needed indeed | 17:56 |
| ativelkov | But some of the RBAC-related stuff should go to Glance | 17:56 |
| ruhe | if there is a standard for this, then i don't see any obstacles | 17:57 |
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| ativelkov | So, we'll just need to decide what should be done in Murano and what should be Glancy | 17:57 |
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| sjmc7 | ativelkov - yep | 17:57 |
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| ruhe | next one is: | 17:58 |
| ruhe | * User documentation | 17:58 |
| ruhe | and it's a must have | 17:58 |
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| sjmc7 | yeah, again, consider it a big +1 | 17:58 |
| ruhe | the next one is: | 17:58 |
| sjmc7 | we'd like to be involved with it | 17:58 |
| ruhe | * Ceilometer integration | 17:58 |
| sjmc7 | and again, i think ceilometer was already proposed (or even done?) | 17:59 |
| ativelkov | proposed, yes, not done yet | 17:59 |
| ativelkov | ...1 minute, folks ) | 17:59 |
| sjmc7 | so another +1 | 17:59 |
| ruhe | yeah ceilometer is on the roamdap | 17:59 |
| ruhe | but we could have a discussion about current approach to statistics | 17:59 |
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| sjmc7 | last one was some cosmetic UI stuff, we can discuss that separately | 17:59 |
| sjmc7 | and that's all i had | 17:59 |
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| ruhe | sjmc7: great list. we can start technical conversations now | 18:00 |
| tsufiev_ | sjmc7, let's schedule some time for it | 18:00 |
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| ruhe | also we'll need to map some of these features on TOSCA | 18:00 |
| sjmc7 | ok. i will create etherpads and my thoughts, and we can go from there | 18:00 |
| gokrokve | It's time to finish :-) | 18:01 |
| ruhe | last minute | 18:01 |
| ruhe | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 22 18:01:20 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-04-22-17.01.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-04-22-17.01.txt | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-04-22-17.01.log.html | 18:01 |
| ativelkov | Thanks everybody | 18:01 |
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| lifeless | morning! | 18:59 |
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| jdob | o/ | 19:00 |
| jomara | hi | 19:00 |
| tchaypo | \o | 19:00 |
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| greghaynes | \O/ | 19:00 |
| pblaho | \o | 19:00 |
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| marios | hi all | 19:00 |
| lsmola | hello | 19:00 |
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| GheAway | o/ | 19:00 |
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| tzumainn | hiya | 19:01 |
| bnemec | o/ | 19:01 |
| jistr | hi | 19:01 |
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| lifeless | now to remember the bot protocol | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #startmeeting tripleo | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 22 19:03:18 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lifeless. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 19:03 |
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| lifeless | #topic agenda | 19:03 |
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| lifeless | bugs | 19:03 |
| lifeless | reviews | 19:03 |
| lifeless | Projects needing releases | 19:03 |
| lifeless | CD Cloud status | 19:03 |
| lifeless | CI | 19:03 |
| lifeless | Atlanta stuff | 19:03 |
| lifeless | Open discussion | 19:04 |
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| lifeless | #topic bugs | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:04 | |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 19:05 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 19:05 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 19:05 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 19:05 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 19:05 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 19:05 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:05 |
| lifeless | hmm, I think we need to add os-cloud-config to that now/soon. | 19:05 |
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| jcoufal | o/ | 19:05 |
| lifeless | 9 criticals in tripleo: ( | 19:05 |
| lifeless | but untriaged is in better shape \o/ | 19:06 |
| akrivoka | o/ | 19:06 |
| bnemec | Hooray for untriaged-bot :-) | 19:06 |
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| lifeless | so the criticals | 19:07 |
| marios | i tried to setup a test-env for https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1290486 today, but wasn't able to immediately repro. (i did nova boot as suggested by reporter). will continue to poke tomorrow | 19:07 |
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| lifeless | tchaypo: did you get up at awful oclock today? ^ | 19:08 |
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| lifeless | derekh: do you need help on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88223/ ? | 19:08 |
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| derekh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1308407 is killing us daily , | 19:09 |
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| derekh | lifeless: could do with somebody who knows nodepool better then I confirm the problem and my approach | 19:09 |
| lifeless | derekh: ok, I'll look | 19:09 |
| derekh | lifeless: but I'm pretty sure what I have reproduced locally is what is happening | 19:09 |
| lifeless | derekh: I think your analysis is right, but did you consider just switching the order of the nodes in nodepool.yaml ? | 19:10 |
| lifeless | so all criticals have assignees | 19:11 |
| lifeless | anyone need help with their bug ? | 19:11 |
| lifeless | are the assignees stale ? | 19:11 |
| tchaypo | Yes, awful o'clock. And because I'm not used to the time yet, and because I'm not at home, that actually meant waking up every 10 minutes starting at awful-1 o'clock in a panic | 19:11 |
| derekh | lifeless: yes, that may work, it didn;t in my test but I think it may have if I made the ratio 2:1 instead of 4:1 (precise:f20) | 19:12 |
| lifeless | ok, lets move on, since noone else is asking for help :) | 19:13 |
| lifeless | #topic reviews | 19:14 |
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| lifeless | http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html | 19:14 |
| lifeless | 19:14 | |
| lifeless | Stats since the last revision without -1 or -2 : | 19:14 |
| lifeless | Average wait time: 8 days, 16 hours, 28 minutes | 19:14 |
| lifeless | 1rd quartile wait time: 4 days, 8 hours, 45 minutes | 19:14 |
| lifeless | Median wait time: 6 days, 15 hours, 18 minutes | 19:14 |
| lifeless | 3rd quartile wait time: 13 days, 4 hours, 34 minutes | 19:14 |
| lifeless | what was it last week ? | 19:14 |
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| marios | lifeless: what's the status on the config pas-through work... we are getting flooded by the various 'enable foo' config reviews | 19:15 |
| greghaynes | worse than last week :/ | 19:15 |
| lifeless | marios: ironically, waiting on reviews I believe | 19:15 |
| marios | should we continue to pass these with a light touch | 19:15 |
| bnemec | marios: Maybe those should be -2'd and revisited after the passthrough is in to see if that addresses their need? | 19:15 |
| lifeless | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87843/ | 19:16 |
| lifeless | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87844/ | 19:16 |
| marios | bnemec: yeah i think that may be a good idea, otherwise we'll end up with a huge number of enabled options | 19:16 |
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| greghaynes | 87844 failed tests | 19:17 |
| marios | why cant 87843 be pushed? | 19:17 |
| marios | (approved) | 19:17 |
| lifeless | I just noticed that | 19:17 |
| * marios looks more closely | 19:17 | |
| bnemec | 87843 needs a recent CI pass | 19:17 |
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| lifeless | looks like it can to me | 19:17 |
| lifeless | 87844 will fail until 87843 is in | 19:19 |
| lifeless | cross project dependency | 19:19 |
| * marios about to approve unless the +1 with nits have objections? | 19:19 | |
| marios | 87843 | 19:19 |
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| lifeless | theres only been one patch on trunk since | 19:19 |
| lifeless | which was undercloud | 19:19 |
| lifeless | so the test results should still be valid | 19:19 |
| marios | done | 19:20 |
| lifeless | sounds like we should do a pass over all the reviews going 'plumbing - -1' for any we want to use passthrough | 19:21 |
| lifeless | light touch, clear it out | 19:21 |
| lifeless | or perhaps even -2 | 19:21 |
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| lifeless | note that some may need more t-i-e patches to passthrough enable additional fies | 19:22 |
| lifeless | files | 19:22 |
| lifeless | thoughts? | 19:22 |
| greghaynes | I like -2 - makes the list of reviews to have a look at a lot smaller | 19:23 |
| jdob | i like the idea of -2 to make it seem more like a concerted effort to purge the queue | 19:23 |
| marios | i agree with this approach too | 19:23 |
| bnemec | +1 to -2 :-) | 19:23 |
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| jdob | bnemec: i couldn't help but add that up in my head | 19:23 |
| marios | then they can revisit once software config is done. for anything that is critical we can get in on a per review case (critical/urgent) | 19:23 |
| Ng | weirdly, I thought we'd already done -2s to all the little config option reviews | 19:24 |
| Ng | but +1 to the idea | 19:24 |
| greghaynes | Ive been holding off until I have something to actually point people at... | 19:24 |
| jdob | Ng: i kinda thought the same thing, I thought they were all in a holding pattern | 19:24 |
| lifeless | we -2'd all the heat things tht were interfering with software-config | 19:24 |
| greghaynes | which seems like it should be merge momentarially | 19:24 |
| lifeless | thats landed | 19:24 |
| lifeless | ok | 19:25 |
| lifeless | #note core reviewers to do a one-pass identify-plumbing-and--2-the-world | 19:25 |
| lifeless | #topic | 19:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:25 | |
| lifeless | #topic Projects needing releases | 19:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Projects needing releases (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:25 | |
| lifeless | any wolunteers? | 19:26 |
| lifeless | or as we say in nz 'volunteears'? | 19:26 |
| lifeless | tap tap tap ? | 19:27 |
| ccrouch | i'll throw slagle under the bus again | 19:27 |
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| ccrouch | given he's not here to defend himself ;-) | 19:27 |
| lsmola | lol | 19:27 |
| marios | ccrouch: good guy charles crouch | 19:27 |
| lifeless | ccrouch: hah! | 19:27 |
| lifeless | #action slagle to debusify himself and do releases of the world. | 19:28 |
| lifeless | #topic CD cloud status | 19:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CD cloud status (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:28 | |
| lifeless | dprince: / derekh: hows the RH region? I haven't poked at it recently | 19:28 |
| lifeless | its not in CI yet I presume? | 19:28 |
| dprince | lifeless: it should be soon... | 19:28 |
| derekh | lifeless: no, the patch is waiting to be merged | 19:28 |
| clarkb | it sin't. on my list of things to do this afternoon | 19:28 |
| lifeless | wwwwwicked | 19:29 |
| dprince | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83057/ | 19:29 |
| lifeless | healthy otherwise? | 19:29 |
| lifeless | (I know, hard to say w/out load on it) | 19:29 |
| dprince | lifeless: I think so. We'll see | 19:29 |
| lifeless | The HP region failed yesterday, SpamapS caught that one. | 19:29 |
| derekh | lifeless: I believe so, although haven't tried it in over a week, | 19:29 |
| clarkb | going to grab lunch then push that through. hopefully will start going in about 2 hours | 19:29 |
| lifeless | I believe it to be fully up and happy again now | 19:29 |
| dprince | lifeless: The F20 jobs in particular are running slowish in general though (on the HP rack) | 19:30 |
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| dprince | be interesting to see what the timings are on the RH rack for comparison | 19:30 |
| derekh | clarkb: I should be back on later is any problems pop up when you flick the switch | 19:30 |
| lifeless | dprince: at a guess that will be mirror access performance | 19:30 |
| clarkb | derekh: thanks | 19:30 |
| lifeless | but we can look at the log to see | 19:30 |
| dprince | lifeless: yep, we could try that | 19:30 |
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| derekh | lifeless: the devstack-gate setup stuff consistently taker 5 minutes linger on f20, Its on my list of figure out | 19:31 |
| dprince | derekh: what are your thoughts on the F20 slowness, will simply mirroring the RPMs closer help? | 19:31 |
| lifeless | derekh: oh, interesting. | 19:31 |
| derekh | lifeless: dprince rpm mirror/cache might help also | 19:31 |
| lifeless | so we have a list of things we want to do local mirrors for | 19:31 |
| lifeless | I believe thats in the list, right ? | 19:32 |
| derekh | lifeless: a lot of nodes seem to be going to the erorr state today, I took quick look between appointments today and 3 compute nodes are having problems taking trafic (I couldn't ping them) | 19:32 |
| lifeless | also | 19:32 |
| lifeless | #topic CI | 19:32 |
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| lifeless | derekh: ruh roh, we might have an uptime related bug then | 19:32 |
| derekh | but still reporting to nova as running, sounds like the issue we had on the controller a couple of times. | 19:32 |
| derekh | lifeless: I havn't dug into it much more then that | 19:33 |
| lifeless | derekh: since SpamapS saw a couple fall over - or perhaps we don't have the mellanox driver on the non-compute nodes | 19:33 |
| lifeless | lets get the RH region going, then perhaps take the time to finish the automated bringup work, then redeploy the RH region with trusty | 19:33 |
| lifeless | which we know makes the hardware in that rack much happier | 19:33 |
| derekh | lifeless: did you mean the HP region with trusty? | 19:34 |
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| lifeless | derekh: yes | 19:34 |
| derekh | lifeless: sounds like a plan | 19:34 |
| lifeless | derekh: with RH live, we won't have CI downtime in the same way | 19:34 |
| lifeless | we'll backlog but we won't halt | 19:34 |
| derekh | yup | 19:34 |
| dprince | lifeless: why are we switching the RH region to trusty again :) | 19:35 |
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| SpamapS | doh just noticed the time sorry guys | 19:35 |
| lifeless | dprince: we're not - I'm keen to have every regions cloud be a different OS | 19:35 |
| lifeless | #topic Atlanta stuff | 19:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Atlanta stuff (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:35 | |
| derekh | dprince: it was a typo | 19:35 |
| dprince | derekh: got it :) | 19:35 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: mellanox was not part of the failure yesterday. | 19:35 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: there was a failure to load the module on the controller on boot. | 19:36 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: ack; the panic was different? | 19:36 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: on the hypervisors? | 19:36 |
| SpamapS | but it was actually powered off, inexplicably | 19:36 |
| SpamapS | two hypervisors were down, 1 was frozen entirely. The other had a kernel panic | 19:36 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: derekh is saying he's seeing more hypervisors falling over | 19:36 |
| dprince | lifeless: how many session spots do we have for Atlanta? | 19:36 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: with symptoms that look like the mellanox fail | 19:36 |
| lifeless | dprince: 6 | 19:36 |
| dprince | lifeless: well that is crap | 19:37 |
| SpamapS | well | 19:37 |
| SpamapS | my suggestion is that we update to trusty | 19:37 |
| dprince | who's bad side did we get on? | 19:37 |
| lifeless | dprince: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-April/033317.html | 19:37 |
| lifeless | dprince: thats more than Ironic | 19:37 |
| SpamapS | since it has the good version of the mellanox driver, and we need to get there anyway | 19:37 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: indeed, mine too - see above ;) | 19:37 |
| SpamapS | oh right :) | 19:37 |
| lifeless | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-icehouse-summit <- | 19:38 |
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| lifeless | I'm looking to folk to help assess the sessions | 19:39 |
| dprince | lifeless: I would really like to has out the network stuff, in particular since there was so much pushback /w the ensure-bridge refactoring. | 19:39 |
| lifeless | PTL is meant to be an enabler and tie breaker - sadly only PTL can approve the sessions | 19:39 |
| derekh | lifeless: should we take 6 votes each? | 19:39 |
| bnemec | This will be my first summit, so I have to admit I don't really know what makes for a good session. | 19:39 |
| lifeless | derekh: yeah, that might be a good way | 19:39 |
| lifeless | bnemec: ok - | 19:39 |
| lifeless | It seems to me we should focus on things where either: | 19:39 |
| lifeless | - we need to build basic consensus | 19:39 |
| lifeless | - crowdsourcing is at play | 19:39 |
| lifeless | bnemec: ^ they are key IMO | 19:40 |
| bnemec | lifeless: Okay, thanks | 19:40 |
| lifeless | bnemec: on the side of the person putting the session forward, they need to do prep work | 19:40 |
| lifeless | turning up and saying 'lets chat' == poor outcome usually | 19:40 |
| bnemec | Sure, makes sense | 19:40 |
| SpamapS | In my mind, summit sessions are places to build consensus on issues that are somewhat complex and could go in multiple directions. | 19:40 |
| dprince | SpamapS: exactly ++ | 19:40 |
| lifeless | for consensus stuff, having a good well thought out overview and then drilling into figure out where we're disagreeing - good | 19:40 |
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| lifeless | for crowd sourcing aspects, its similar - have good explanations about it all and then <blank here people need to help out> bits | 19:41 |
| SpamapS | They're not places to do the bulk of design work, as design by committee is not awesome. | 19:41 |
| SpamapS | Good crowd sourced things are "what are some concrete use cases for this." | 19:41 |
| lifeless | as a for instance, SpamapS and I are going to be proposing some fairly deep and extensive changes to heat's internals, and for that I expect we'll do a couple of hours of prep beforehand, at least. | 19:42 |
| lifeless | so that the discussion can be effective | 19:42 |
| lifeless | a related thing I'd like for atlanta is the new specs repo to be online | 19:43 |
| lifeless | I don't think anyone has volunteered to get that setup yet ? | 19:43 |
| derekh | lifeless: is it just a matter of creating a blank repo? I can get that together | 19:43 |
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| lifeless | derekh: yeah - copy the nova one which has doc building and a template spec | 19:45 |
| derekh | lifeless: ok, will do | 19:45 |
| lifeless | derekh: get it into openstack/ in gerrit | 19:45 |
| derekh | yup | 19:45 |
| lifeless | #action derekh to setup tripleo-specs repo | 19:45 |
| lifeless | thanks! | 19:45 |
| derekh | np | 19:45 |
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| lifeless | with only 6 sessions | 19:47 |
| lifeless | I expect a fair number of double duty ones | 19:47 |
| lifeless | like CI might touch on several aspects. | 19:47 |
| lifeless | the very last session overlaps the wrap-up | 19:47 |
| lifeless | so we might use that for either super contentious stuff, or (relatively) niche... I dunno. | 19:47 |
| lifeless | any other atlanta stuff ? | 19:47 |
| ttx | lifeless: note that you'll have a tripleO "project pod" | 19:48 |
| ttx | for extra discussions | 19:48 |
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| lifeless | ttx: yeap | 19:48 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: we don't have any conference sessions. | 19:48 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: whew, we can all get work done :) | 19:48 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: talks rather. We might want to collaborate on a single lightning talk submission. | 19:48 |
| ttx | lifeless: I placed it close to the ironic pod for cross-pollination | 19:48 |
| lifeless | ttx: hah... so near heat or nova might be better - Ironic and TripleO are very well connected | 19:49 |
| lifeless | but we only have one pseudopod into heat, and only 3 or so into nova | 19:49 |
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| * ttx checks the map | 19:49 | |
| ttx | same floor but separate rooms | 19:50 |
| lifeless | all good | 19:50 |
| ttx | anyway, Nova has no pod | 19:50 |
| ttx | since they have sessions running all the time | 19:50 |
| lifeless | #topic open discussion | 19:51 |
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| jprovazn | one q regarding pass-through patches | 19:51 |
| jprovazn | it can be used for adding extra set of config options, right? | 19:51 |
| jprovazn | something like this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88105/1/elements/haproxy/os-config-applier/etc/haproxy/haproxy.cfg | 19:52 |
| jprovazn | couldn't be done with it | 19:52 |
| lifeless | jprovazn: its got three parts | 19:52 |
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| lifeless | jprovazn: we passthrough enable a config file by dropping an entirely data driven section into the moustache template | 19:52 |
| lifeless | jprovazn: then we generate data into that section via heat, picked up from a user parameter | 19:53 |
| lifeless | jprovazn: finally the user passes in a json struct matching this | 19:53 |
| tchaypo | so for haproxy.cfg, we'd need to passthrough-enable haproxy.cfg, and the user would have to provide a json file? | 19:53 |
| lifeless | jprovazn: Until we figure out how to tell heat to do the merging of keys/values etc (and whatever semantics we want for that), we can't really union the user input and heat calculated inputs | 19:54 |
| lifeless | jprovazn: that haproxy section looks more like heat calculated stuff to me | 19:54 |
| greghaynes | AIUI you need to make sure the app will deal with duplicated config options sanely, which is something im not sure about with haproxy | 19:54 |
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| lifeless | in particular for this example, haproxy doesn't have a dict-model for its config file | 19:55 |
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| lifeless | so you might do something similar, but different, to make the haproxy stuff much more configurable | 19:55 |
| lifeless | so this is kindof in the bucket of 'v2 passthrough' where we take the time to figure out all the possible use cases and design a long term answer. IMO. | 19:56 |
| jprovazn | lifeless, well, I noticed this patch today, I was thinking that setting a default value in heat template + accepting optional value from metadata would be most reasonable | 19:56 |
| lifeless | jprovazn: I think thats entirely reasonable. | 19:56 |
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| jprovazn | but was not sure how far it's in conflict with pass through, thanks for clarification | 19:57 |
| lifeless | jprovazn: and/or - feel free to push back a little on the patch and ask why it needs to be configurable. | 19:57 |
| jprovazn | lifeless, yes, that's my plan ;) | 19:57 |
| lifeless | the HP folk putting forward these patches have /lots/ of production experience - they may well be able to say 'X works better', and we can just change to X. | 19:57 |
| lifeless | jprovazn: \o/ | 19:58 |
| jprovazn | good to know | 19:58 |
| SpamapS | Yeah I'd like to see us default to things that production-hardened people want. | 19:59 |
| lifeless | thanks for coming everyone! | 20:00 |
| lifeless | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 22 20:00:11 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-04-22-19.03.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-04-22-19.03.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-04-22-19.03.log.html | 20:00 |
| marios | 'night all | 20:00 |
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| lsmola | have a nice week | 20:00 |
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