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| dhellmann | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Apr 25 16:00:06 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | who's around for the oslo meeting? | 16:00 |
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| GheRivero | o/ | 16:00 |
| sileht | o/ | 16:00 |
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| markmc | hey | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | do we have any liaisons with us today? | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | beekneemech, dims, jd__, ping? | 16:01 |
| beekneemech | o/ | 16:01 |
| GheRivero | me | 16:01 |
| * dhellmann needs to make a list of everyone's irc handles | 16:01 | |
| dims | dhellmann, pong | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | welcome, GheRivero, thanks for joining us! | 16:01 |
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| nacim | here too. | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | hi, nacim! | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | our agenda: | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo | 16:02 |
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| dhellmann | #topic Review action items from previous meeting | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from previous meeting (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:02 | |
| dhellmann | well, we don't have any so... | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #topic Welcome Oslo/ProjectLiaisons! | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Welcome Oslo/ProjectLiaisons! (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:02 | |
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| dhellmann | Thank you all for volunteering to work with us this cycle! I hope that we're able to smooth out some of the communications challenges we've had in the recent past. | 16:03 |
| beekneemech | +1 | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | If you have something you'd like to discuss in the meetings, just add it to the agenda. Of course you don't have to wait for the meetings, and can use the mailing list of #openstack-oslo as well | 16:04 |
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| dhellmann | #topic Please review code in all our repos | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Please review code in all our repos (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:05 | |
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| dhellmann | core reviewers, we have a bunch of new repositories to look at now | 16:05 |
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| dhellmann | I created a few helper links for finding reviews that could use attention: | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo#Review_Links | 16:05 |
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| dhellmann | let's make sure the smaller repos aren't forgotten :-) | 16:05 |
| jd__ | o/ | 16:05 |
| markmc | nice, helpful | 16:05 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, nice to have a central repo for the links | 16:06 |
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| dhellmann | I should probably update the graduation instructions to include a step to add the new repo to that list | 16:06 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, s/repo/place | 16:06 |
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| dhellmann | morganfainberg, markmc: I completely cribbed those links from something sdague posted a while back | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | liaisons, we would also like your help with reviews when you have time, so dive in when you can | 16:08 |
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| beekneemech | I think those links eliminate all of dhellmann's submissions :-) | 16:08 |
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| beekneemech | I'm assuming that's what "-owner:doug.hellmann@dreamhost.com" means. | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | oops, yes | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | I copied those from my bookmarks | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | thanks for noticing that, beekneemech | 16:09 |
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| beekneemech | np | 16:09 |
| * dhellmann makes a note to fix the links | 16:09 | |
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| dhellmann | let's talk libraries! | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | #topic Start roll-out of oslotest | 16:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Start roll-out of oslotest (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:09 | |
| morganfainberg | beekneemech, it might be a subtle hint :P | 16:09 |
| * dhellmann doesn't tend to subtlety | 16:09 | |
| dhellmann | during icehouse, we used oslotest as our process test library | 16:10 |
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| dhellmann | it is graduated and ready to be used | 16:10 |
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| dhellmann | so, liaisons, that would be a good place to start with adoption | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | note that the repo is oslo.test but is going to be renamed oslotest to match the library name | 16:10 |
| beekneemech | Are we punting on the cross-testing for now? | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo.test | 16:11 |
| bknudson | keystone is using oslotest, but we also need to get rid of our use of incubator fixtures | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | beekneemech: there's a summit session on that. I haven't had a chance to rework the script | 16:11 |
| bknudson | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83968/2 | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-infra-library-testing | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: nice! | 16:12 |
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| beekneemech | dhellmann: Okay, will make sure to attend. | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | #topic oslo.db status (viktors or rpodolyaka) | 16:13 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/oslo-db-lib | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | I didn't see viktor or roman raise their hands earleir | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | the repo they set up has been approved for import | 16:13 |
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| dhellmann | we're waiting, I think, on the planned gerrit upgrade before proceeding | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | I think that will still give us time to have the new repo created before the summit | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | which will put us on track for an initial release not long after | 16:14 |
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| dhellmann | any questions about oslo.db before we move on? | 16:15 |
| beekneemech | Nice | 16:15 |
| bknudson | we'll want to get oslo.db into keystone early so we get as much runtime as possible | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: keystone would be a great test for an early adopter | 16:16 |
| bknudson | since it's pretty fundamental to keystone... we really don't do much else. | 16:16 |
| sileht | In ceilometer code have already moved to the facade engine, so migration should be very simple. | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | oh, that's good, I wasn't sure whether ceilometer was going to require extra work because of the separate plugin layer there | 16:17 |
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| dhellmann | ok, one more lib status update: | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | #topic oslo.i18n status | 16:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslo.i18n status (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:17 | |
| dhellmann | the API changes were approved and merged yesterday | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87386/ | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | I plan to work on creating the repo for the new library next week | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | does anyone want to volunteer to be the guinea pig for adoption on this one? :-) | 16:19 |
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| bknudson | I'm sure we can pick it up in keystone when it's avail | 16:20 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, ++ | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | the keystone team is my new best friend | 16:20 |
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| bknudson | looking at 87386, I don't think we're affected | 16:20 |
| beekneemech | :-) | 16:20 |
| bknudson | the keystone team wants to maintain as little code as possible | 16:20 |
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| dhellmann | bknudson: the tricky part is that each app will need a very small integration module to create those marker functions with the right translation domain -- I plan to write some docs for that before releasing the first version of the library | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | the new API sets it up to make that easy, but it's not automatic | 16:22 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, if we have the info, i don't think thats a huge hurdle | 16:22 |
| bknudson | yea, I guess keystoneclient doesn't translate messages... not sure how that would be done | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | yeah, "tricky" may be too strong a word -- "not obvious from that changeset" perhaps | 16:22 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, any lib or app that uses the translation functions needs their own copy -- they get that for free now as a feature of update.py, where "oslo" is replaced with "target project name" | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | we have one more topic on the formal agenda: | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | #topic Should we create a specs repo? | 16:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Should we create a specs repo? (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:24 | |
| dhellmann | everyone else seems to be doing it, would it be useful for us, too? | 16:24 |
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| dhellmann | I held off suggesting it to see how it worked for some of the other teams first. Nova seems to like their new process. | 16:25 |
| beekneemech | Makes sense to me. The only concern I would have is getting enough reviews for blueprints. | 16:25 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, the question that would direct the answer is how much of an issue is LP and how messy are blueprints for oslo at the moment? | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | well, this wouldn't eliminate our use of LP, just supplement it (if I understand what nova is doing) | 16:26 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, and is there the bandwidth for the reviews as beekneemech just pointed out. | 16:26 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, it does supplement it, but the reasoning is to help deal with issues with LP. | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | the other question is whether it would be needed for each library, or just for the incubator | 16:26 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, you could probably get away with a single repo with directories for each library (nova is moving to that for nova vs novaclient if i understand the ML topics) | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | morganfainberg: LP is already a pain for me, because we have several different projects I need to track (incubator, messaging, stevedore, cliff, taskflow, pycadf) | 16:27 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, ++ that sounds like this makes a lot of sense for oslo, provided there is enough reviewer bandwidth. | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | I like the idea of one directory per lib | 16:28 |
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| dhellmann | morganfainberg: do you know if they have the process written up in the wiki? | 16:28 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, not sure where the documentation is. i think they have the documentation in the spec repo it self | 16:29 |
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| dhellmann | ok, I'll look that over | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | are there any objections? mehs? | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | such a quiet group :-) | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | that's all I had for the formal agenda today | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | #topic Open Discussion | 16:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:31 | |
| dhellmann | does anyone have anything they need to bring up? | 16:31 |
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| beekneemech | Nothing for me | 16:32 |
| GheRivero | I love this short meetings to finish the week :) | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | :-) | 16:32 |
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| bknudson | we've had some discussions here about encryption the secret options in oslo.config | 16:32 |
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| creiht | hehe | 16:32 |
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| bknudson | haven't gotten too far with it, but was wondering if there had been interest in this elsewhere, too? | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: encrypting them in the config file? | 16:33 |
| bknudson | yes, the config file would contain ecrypted values | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | at one point someone wanted to add support for finding options using the keyring library | 16:33 |
| bknudson | and then you'd be able to get the unencrypted values by... supplying a key on CONF() or something | 16:33 |
| morganfainberg | interesting. | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | I think we decided that the key would have to be shared somehow anyway, and at that point having the values encrypted didn't buy much | 16:34 |
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| dhellmann | but maybe there's a way to do it that we just didn't see? | 16:34 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, maybe a mechanism to reteive a config value from an external source? | 16:34 |
| bknudson | yea, that's the problem is then you'll need to read the key from a file | 16:34 |
| bknudson | but that key file can be protected more than the config file | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | morganfainberg: yeah, the config code already sort of supports that, though it's not pluggable there is a sort of search algorithm for looking through multiple sources | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: so just with filesystem permissions? | 16:35 |
| bknudson | yes, filesystem | 16:35 |
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| morganfainberg | dhellmann, yeah this sounds like something that should be made more pluggable | 16:35 |
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| morganfainberg | dhellmann, in that case | 16:35 |
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| dhellmann | bknudson: could we use the fact that oslo.config can read multiple files, combined with the tighter permissions, to achieve a similar goal? | 16:36 |
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| dhellmann | i.e., put the secrets in a file other than the main config file with stricter permissions | 16:37 |
| bknudson | the real complaint that we get is that some groups don't want things to be so easy to read | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that part makes sense | 16:37 |
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| bknudson | so some of this is not really about needing some real security | 16:37 |
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| dhellmann | it's just not clear how to share the secret so the file can be decrypted without basically exposing everything you're encrypting | 16:37 |
| bknudson | it's just they don't want someone to be able to look at the file | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | ah, so just obfuscation? | 16:38 |
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| bknudson | yes, I think what's really wanted is obfuscation | 16:38 |
| bknudson | so maybe provide a plugin for how to obfuscate | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | ok, I guess I can see that | 16:38 |
| bknudson | and maybe it's base64 and maybe it's something that requires a key? | 16:38 |
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| morganfainberg | dhellmann, i think that could be solved by allowing "external" plugins to source data - just one plugin could be b64+key? | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | right | 16:39 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, would also open the door if say someone wanted to source config data from LDAP | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | true | 16:39 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, kills 2 birds (more flexibility) with one stone | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | it sounds like there's something here, who wants to write up a bp? | 16:40 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, i actually have had that specific request, can we put config in LDAP. | 16:40 |
| bknudson | we've got some people here who are interested in it, so I'll see if they'll propose a bp | 16:40 |
| * dhellmann vaguely remembers a proposal to build a config distribution tool on top of oslo.messaging | 16:40 | |
| dhellmann | bknudson: sounds good, thanks | 16:41 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, let me know if you need anything from me. Happy to help on this front | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | it's probably 2 bps, one for the pluggability and one for the specific plugin(s) | 16:41 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: will do | 16:41 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, i didn't see it, but i might just be missing it, can oslo do config opt refreshes? | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | morganfainberg: yes, there are methods to clear out the existing settings and then you can reload them | 16:42 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, cool. that is super valuable for externally sourced data | 16:42 |
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| dhellmann | the other thing that would need to be solved is how to determine the order all of the input sources are searched | 16:43 |
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| dhellmann | with the files, I think we use the order of arguments to the app, so that may just carry over to the new system | 16:43 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, ++ order would probably be the easiest to maintain that way | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | morganfainberg: we just need to figure out how order is implied if some of the external sources are mentioned in a config file :-) | 16:44 |
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| dhellmann | if there's nothing else, we can adjourn a bit early this week | 16:45 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, something to mull over in this process | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | morganfainberg: yep | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | alright, thanks for coming everyone and I'm looking forward to seeing you all at the summit in a few weeks! | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 16:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Apr 25 16:47:31 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-04-25-16.00.html | 16:47 |
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