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| * johnthetubaguy is thinking it must be time for the nova meeting | 14:01 | |
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| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: i asked, but don't think there is one | 14:08 |
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| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: i guess it is technically 'vacation' week? | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I got the email now, my bad | 14:08 |
| mriedem | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule | 14:08 |
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| mriedem | oh, forgot to check for an email | 14:08 |
| mriedem | well i sent a reply | 14:13 |
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| mriedem | we need to have a nova meeting sometime this year gdi | 14:13 |
| mriedem | :) | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | :) | 14:13 |
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| bswartz | hey | 15:00 |
| bswartz | someone forgot to end their meeting | 15:00 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | anyone know how to end a meeting started by someone else? | 15:02 |
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| ameade | what happens if you just try to start another one? | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 1 15:02:25 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:02 |
| bswartz | ameade: +1 | 15:02 |
| ameade | lol | 15:02 |
| bswartz | maybe it was just an old topic | 15:02 |
| bswartz | good morning folks who do we have? | 15:03 |
| bswartz | I know that it's a holiday for the Mirantis folks | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | well if nobody is here we can call off the meeting | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | okay! | 15:05 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:05 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 1 15:05:44 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-05-01-15.02.html | 15:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-05-01-15.02.txt | 15:05 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-05-01-15.02.log.html | 15:05 |
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| markwash | #startmeeting glance | 20:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 1 20:07:00 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markwash. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 20:07 |
| markwash | Greetings glancelings | 20:07 |
| mclaren | hi markwash | 20:07 |
| ativelkov | hi | 20:07 |
| rosmaita | hello | 20:07 |
| arnaud___ | hi | 20:07 |
| zhiyan | hi | 20:07 |
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| markwash | Great, looks like we've got some folks here. Sorry again that I am late | 20:08 |
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| markwash | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 20:08 |
| markwash | meeting agenda ^^ | 20:08 |
| nikhil___ | o/ | 20:08 |
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| eddie_ | o/ | 20:09 |
| markwash | I have a few items there, main thing is to talk about artifacts design stuff | 20:09 |
| markwash | So let's run through the quicker items I have first | 20:09 |
| markwash | First things first | 20:09 |
| markwash | #topic Design summit | 20:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Design summit (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:10 | |
| markwash | the schedule is posted | 20:10 |
| markwash | maybe somebody has the link handy? | 20:10 |
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| markwash | my browser remembers! | 20:10 |
| markwash | #link http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/glance | 20:10 |
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| markwash | I didn't hear back from anybody about conflicts so I assume we're good with that general layout | 20:11 |
| markwash | I think descriptions might still get updated | 20:11 |
| mclaren | o/ | 20:11 |
| markwash | any thoughts anyone would like to share about the summit layout and the way I munged sessions together? | 20:11 |
| mclaren | I've something kinda related? | 20:12 |
| markwash | go for it mclaren | 20:12 |
| mclaren | On the backend storage thing I mentioned at the last glance mini-summit | 20:12 |
| nikhil___ | markwash: are we doing something on Friday? did not see any unconference slots, so was wondering if Friday was being planned for the same? | 20:12 |
| mclaren | we've put in a blueprint here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Swift_trusted_services | 20:12 |
| mclaren | and we've actually implemented the approach in that blueprint (different to what I proposed at the mini summit) | 20:13 |
| mclaren | the patches are listed at the end of the etherpad | 20:13 |
| mclaren | my question is | 20:13 |
| mclaren | I'm way too late to the party to get an official slot | 20:13 |
| mclaren | is this something we could have an unconference session for perhaps? | 20:13 |
| rosmaita | i would like to see that | 20:14 |
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| markwash | mclaren: its not too too late but I think there would need to be something like a vote or broader consensus | 20:14 |
| markwash | we'd have to figure out what was going to get bumped or merged | 20:15 |
| markwash | nikhil___: we'll come back to your question in one sec | 20:15 |
| mclaren | absolutely, not trying to be pushy :-) | 20:15 |
| nikhil___ | mclaren: +1 from me if it works out :) | 20:15 |
| ameade | o/ | 20:16 |
| markwash | I'm not seeing exactly where it would fit in | 20:16 |
| mclaren | yeah its tricky, its kinda cross-project too | 20:17 |
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| markwash | mclaren: I don't suppose anyone has any suggestions about how to rearrange the schedule? or if someone who has a whole slot wants to share? | 20:17 |
| markwash | that's a bit sad | 20:17 |
| rosmaita | is there any way we can just meet in the dev lounge on friday? | 20:18 |
| mclaren | if its not possible don't worry, I realise I'm super late | 20:18 |
| rosmaita | have our own unconference session for glance | 20:18 |
| markwash | well, I think there will be a glance project pod | 20:18 |
| arnaud___ | also, to have people not too much confused: the title of the session might hide more than 1 submitted session | 20:18 |
| markwash | and I think there might be a cross-project pod in some locations? | 20:18 |
| mclaren | yeah some kind of informal gathering might be our best option at this point | 20:18 |
| arnaud___ | for example: Glance Store and future features contains: Flavio's and Fei's | 20:18 |
| markwash | arnaud___: good point | 20:19 |
| markwash | nikhil___ and rosmaita: regarding friday, I have to leave Atlanta friday morning to make it to DC for a wedding | 20:19 |
| rosmaita | ok | 20:19 |
| markwash | so I will not be able to attend any such sessions. However I would encourage you to still have them in my absence | 20:20 |
| mclaren | it may be tangentially related to the glance store rejig that flavio is considering | 20:20 |
| arnaud___ | yep or have a lunch | 20:20 |
| markwash | so that later I can come running through kicking over sandcastles | 20:20 |
| markwash | not | 20:20 |
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| markwash | :-) | 20:21 |
| mclaren | ok, I'll send mail around to try and get folks together in some way, eg unconferance -- thanks | 20:21 |
| markwash | let's briefly talk etherpads | 20:21 |
| markwash | If you have a session or part of a session, you're probably going to want to have an etherpad and some blueprint / design docs that people can review before the session | 20:22 |
| markwash | so lets get those etherpads started now | 20:22 |
| markwash | and if its a topic that has already been discussed a lot and has some existing etherpads, give a careful look to determine if you need to clean up those old etherpads rather than just re-using them for the summit | 20:22 |
| markwash | clarity matters for participants so keep it in mind | 20:23 |
| ameade | can those be linked into the sched descriptions or should they be emailed to the list? | 20:23 |
| markwash | ideally we'd have the etherpads ready by next week to include links in the summit wiki | 20:23 |
| markwash | ameade: usually we just put them on a summit-wide wiki | 20:23 |
| markwash | but it doesn't hurt to link them anywhere, and I'm happy to update summit descriptions for that or other purposes | 20:23 |
| markwash | let me just #action these real fast | 20:24 |
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| ativelkov | what should be the structure of the pad? session agenda + brief on proposed topics? | 20:24 |
| markwash | #action write your summit etherpads and make sure they're clear | 20:24 |
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| markwash | #action notify markwash if you have any changes you want made to summit descriptions that show up in sched.org | 20:24 |
| markwash | ativelkov: yes, basically the goal of the session should be laid out in an agenda-like format | 20:25 |
| markwash | and we will add notes as we go through the discussion | 20:25 |
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| markwash | the sessions are very much discussions with broad participation, rather than just talks led by someone | 20:25 |
| markwash | so an etherpad can help herd all the cats in the right directions | 20:25 |
| markwash | so to speak | 20:25 |
| nikhil___ | wolves, you mean ;) | 20:26 |
| markwash | hehe | 20:26 |
| markwash | okay, any other thoughts on design summit? I'm through with my requests | 20:26 |
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| nikhil___ | any informal events all glance folks going to? | 20:27 |
| nikhil___ | meant, specifically | 20:27 |
| nikhil___ | if Friday lunch/gathering covers it please ignore | 20:28 |
| markwash | I'm not really aware of anything like that yet | 20:28 |
| markwash | okay, let's move on I guess | 20:28 |
| markwash | #topic juno mini glance summit | 20:29 |
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| markwash | I have no updates yet but I'm still thinking about this | 20:29 |
| markwash | probably I'll ask ttx next chance I get for some tips about possible foundation support | 20:29 |
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| mclaren | I, well HP, could possibly offer support | 20:29 |
| markwash | mclaren: cool, good to know | 20:30 |
| ativelkov | Any ideas on possible date and location? | 20:30 |
| markwash | my plan is to give the foundation right of first refusal | 20:30 |
| mclaren | an administrator for sure, maybe $, but would probably have to be based in Ireland (always a catch!), I'm guessing US mainland is preferred option? | 20:30 |
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| markwash | mclaren: I hear hp has some offices in california ;-) | 20:30 |
| zhiyan | it will be cool if team could provide a remote access way | 20:31 |
| mclaren | really? :-) | 20:31 |
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| mclaren | what I meant is I just checked with the local office rather than corporate if that makes sense? | 20:31 |
| markwash | okay, I'll just carry this item forward to next week | 20:31 |
| markwash | or the next actual week | 20:31 |
| markwash | that we have a meeting | 20:31 |
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| arnaud___ | vmware could also possibly host the event in the bay area | 20:32 |
| markwash | we'll probably have to have a call for sponsors | 20:32 |
| markwash | but again, foundation first | 20:32 |
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| markwash | okay let's move on to the main event! | 20:33 |
| markwash | #topic artifacts design | 20:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "artifacts design (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:33 | |
| markwash | how are folks doing with their review? mostly done? | 20:33 |
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| markwash | I saw some notes on the ML | 20:34 |
| markwash | (again that doc is here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tOTsIytVWtXGUaT2Ia4V5PWq4CiTfZPDn6rpRm5In7U/edit?usp=sharing) | 20:34 |
| ativelkov | There are a number of comments in the document | 20:34 |
| ativelkov | Adrian Otto has provided some help in polishing the text | 20:35 |
| markwash | I have to admit at this point I have not found the time to review the document closely. I've been unfortunately very busy and distracted | 20:35 |
| arnaud___ | I started to read it yesterday night... will finish by the end of the week | 20:35 |
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| markwash | my only immediate reaction is that there might be some things about images that don't need to carry forward to images | 20:36 |
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| markwash | but I'd like to make that critique more specific, obviously :-) | 20:37 |
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| arnaud___ | there is one point that I would like to discuss | 20:37 |
| arnaud___ | the set of artifacts that glance contains by default | 20:37 |
| arnaud___ | I mean that Glance natively supports | 20:38 |
| ativelkov | arnaud___: you mean the types of artifacts? | 20:38 |
| arnaud___ | yes | 20:38 |
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| arnaud___ | the way I see it, is kinda the same as the stores where we have file/http by default | 20:38 |
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| arnaud___ | type: image/bulk data artifact | 20:39 |
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| arnaud___ | is it the way you see it too ativelkov? or you expect let's say heat artifact to be natively "first class" artifact | 20:40 |
| arnaud___ | because you are talking of a plugin mechanism to add new artifacts | 20:40 |
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| arnaud___ | so I would like to know if heat for example comes through this plugin mechanism | 20:40 |
| arnaud___ | or is there natively | 20:40 |
| arnaud___ | you see what I mean? | 20:41 |
| ativelkov | Well, I would have everything done as plugins, even the images - just for unification | 20:41 |
| ameade | +1 | 20:41 |
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| ativelkov | The images plugin will be the part of the core code, while everything else may stay in some special repository | 20:41 |
| arnaud___ | ok, so the separation would be a different repository | 20:42 |
| arnaud___ | I see | 20:42 |
| ativelkov | And we need to define the process of "incubating" the plugins, i.e. accepting them as "officially supported", reviewed etc | 20:42 |
| arnaud___ | yep | 20:42 |
| arnaud___ | do you discuss that in the doc? | 20:42 |
| arnaud___ | maybe the part that I didn't read :) | 20:42 |
| ativelkov | Nope. This was discussed last wek and I din't have time to update the doc | 20:43 |
| arnaud___ | ok! | 20:43 |
| markwash | arnaud___: did you have a chance to catch randall burt about sharing the session leadership at the summit | 20:44 |
| arnaud___ | no | 20:44 |
| arnaud___ | I talked to ativelkov only | 20:44 |
| markwash | I'll see if I can reach out to him | 20:45 |
| arnaud___ | sounds good | 20:45 |
| markwash | (actually I think this might have already been an item for me and I just forgot, sorry!) | 20:45 |
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| arnaud___ | also, I think it would be nice to come with a strategy to validate the parts we agree and we can start implementing | 20:46 |
| markwash | okay, so it sounds like people either completely love the artifacts design, or are perhaps waiting a bit for the summit to get a chance to review | 20:46 |
| ativelkov | What is missing are the actual API specs | 20:46 |
| markwash | arnaud___: +1 | 20:46 |
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| ativelkov | I'll to try to have a draft of them at apiary before the summit starts | 20:46 |
| markwash | "hit the ground running" is a theme we should be aiming for post-summit | 20:47 |
| rosmaita | +1 | 20:47 |
| arnaud___ | yep | 20:47 |
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| ativelkov | BTW, folks, are you aware of project called "graffiti"? | 20:48 |
| ativelkov | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Graffiti | 20:49 |
| arnaud___ | I know there is a session about it at the summit | 20:49 |
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| arnaud___ | Tuesday, May 13 • 2:00pm - 2:40pm | 20:49 |
| ativelkov | It seems like they are moving in the same direction | 20:50 |
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| markwash | link to summit session? | 20:50 |
| arnaud___ | http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/event/555561439e8187a25985473ea53cc078 | 20:50 |
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| markwash | okay, looks like we've exercised about as much as we can | 20:52 |
| markwash | so I think we can just encourage more people to read through the docs and comments | 20:52 |
| markwash | sound good? | 20:52 |
| ativelkov | +1 | 20:52 |
| markwash | great | 20:52 |
| markwash | #topic open discussion | 20:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:52 | |
| markwash | should we have a meeting next week or take the week off? | 20:52 |
| ameade | maybe next week we could go through the sessions to make sure preparation has been done and links to ehterpads posted and such? | 20:54 |
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| arnaud___ | +1 ameade | 20:54 |
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| ativelkov | Agree. Also, may be we'll get some more feedback on artifacts | 20:54 |
| markwash | okay sounds good | 20:55 |
| markwash | okay looks like we're done | 20:57 |
| markwash | thanks folks | 20:57 |
| markwash | see you next week for round two of summit + artifacts | 20:57 |
| markwash | #endmeeting | 20:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "(Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 20:57 | |
| mclaren | thanks markwash | 20:57 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 1 20:57:31 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-05-01-20.07.html | 20:57 |
| arnaud___ | bye | 20:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-05-01-20.07.txt | 20:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-05-01-20.07.log.html | 20:57 |
| markwash | thank you mclaren | 20:57 |
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