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| samstav | #startmeeting satori | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 5 15:01:48 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is samstav. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: satori)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'satori' | 15:01 |
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| gondoi | o/ | 15:02 |
| samstav | gondoi is here for enlightenment. Anyone else? | 15:02 |
| walker__ | o/ | 15:02 |
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| samstav | #topic Action Items | 15:04 |
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| samstav | #action zns start ML discussion & blueprint for built-in python data plane discovery | 15:04 |
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| zns | o/ - @~10% attention... | 15:05 |
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| samstav | np. zns' action item gets punted. This week we'll be putting together some demos for the summit. Any comments on that? | 15:06 |
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| walker__ | Not much to say about that really | 15:06 |
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| samstav | #topic Atlanta | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Atlanta (Meeting topic: satori)" | 15:06 | |
| walker__ | Peachtree | 15:07 |
| walker__ | everywhere | 15:07 |
| gondoi | http://highlandbakery.com/ | 15:07 |
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| samstav | beautiful. thanks gents | 15:08 |
| samstav | #endmeeting | 15:08 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 5 15:08:09 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:08 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-05-05-15.01.html | 15:08 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-05-05-15.01.txt | 15:08 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-05-05-15.01.log.html | 15:08 |
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| matjazp | hi all | 17:00 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting training-manuals | 17:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 5 17:03:37 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 17:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' | 17:03 |
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| sarob | Roll call | 17:03 |
| matjazp | hi | 17:03 |
| sarob | Hey | 17:03 |
| rl | sup | 17:04 |
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| sarob | Dguitarbite with us? | 17:05 |
| sarob | Colinmcnamara? | 17:05 |
| sarob | Marco | 17:05 |
| sarob | Hmm, okay | 17:06 |
| sarob | How is it going guys? | 17:06 |
| matjazp | been busy last two weeks.. | 17:06 |
| matjazp | I see that | 17:06 |
| matjazp | some activity in Trello Board | 17:07 |
| sarob | Dguitarbite has started up | 17:07 |
| sarob | Some work | 17:07 |
| matjazp | regarding Moodle integration: I'll just go ahead and extend Moodle's OAuth2 plugin... we're stalled for too long | 17:08 |
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| sarob | Okay | 17:09 |
| rl | I have the install script that doesn't rely on vagrant working. Some challenges remain. | 17:10 |
| sarob | Matt rice from LPI has offered to help us on testing | 17:10 |
| sarob | rl excellent | 17:10 |
| rl | Problems remain mostly in installation itself. | 17:10 |
| sarob | Rl good enough to patch? | 17:10 |
| matjazp | rl: why dump vagrant? | 17:10 |
| rl | matjazp, not dumping, just an alternative. a pretty much empty placeholder was already there. | 17:11 |
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| sarob | Rick Evans was thinking we should just build VMs and post them | 17:12 |
| rl | there are pros and cons: the bash script starts from ISO, and uses multiattach disks to save space | 17:12 |
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| sarob | And the same for the build | 17:12 |
| sarob | Environment | 17:12 |
| rl | the main problem are the installation instructions, they have issues. | 17:12 |
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| matjazp | rl: aha, ok. I find vagrant quite useful tool, so trainees should learn about it. I introduce it to my students, their feedbac is usualy positive | 17:13 |
| sarob | The problems we usually have | 17:13 |
| rl | matjazp, vagrant is awesome. | 17:13 |
| sarob | Are with limited time | 17:13 |
| sarob | We should set up the tools | 17:14 |
| rl | sarob, my goal is to have the script build its own "base box" (preinstall done) that can be reused | 17:14 |
| sarob | Okay I get it | 17:14 |
| rl | but vagrant will remain | 17:14 |
| sarob | If we can script it and leave it for awhile | 17:14 |
| sarob | I'm cool | 17:15 |
| rl | both methods can and should be supported | 17:15 |
| matjazp | sarob: well, premade images are nice, but installation of OpenStack is still pretty hard for novices so they should learn it. Maybe not at all levels, but upper levels for sure | 17:15 |
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| rl | sarob: where would you host images? | 17:15 |
| sarob | Learning install is the operator guide | 17:15 |
| sarob | We need to | 17:16 |
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| sarob | Control how it's taught | 17:16 |
| sarob | So timing works | 17:16 |
| rl | sarob: that may be a lot of bandwidth | 17:16 |
| sarob | True | 17:16 |
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| matjazp | rl: how much bandwith are we expectiong? | 17:16 |
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| rl | matjazp: a VM will probably be one or two GB | 17:17 |
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| rl | matjazp: depends on how people download/mirror it | 17:17 |
| matjazp | rl: I could ask our University's "ISP" (Arnes.si) to host it on ther FTP/HTTP... They already host other mirrors (Ubuntu, etc) | 17:18 |
| rl | matjazp: that would be great | 17:18 |
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| rl | which installation instructions should the scripts follow? there are quite a few now. | 17:19 |
| matjazp | rl: ok. So we want to host OpenStack Training guide pre-built images, right? | 17:19 |
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| rl | in traininglabs and elsewhere. | 17:19 |
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| rl | matjazp: it would certainly be a nice (time-saving) addition | 17:19 |
| matjazp | rl: agree. I'm writting en email as we speak | 17:20 |
| rl | oh, and most instructions are for icehouse, but I understand some would prefer training-labs stick with havana for the time being. is that correct? | 17:20 |
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| sarob | Infra | 17:21 |
| sarob | Active guides | 17:21 |
| sarob | Backport guides | 17:22 |
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| sarob | Infra would focus on trainer tools and test tools | 17:22 |
| sarob | Active would work on the most recent book like developer | 17:23 |
| matjazp | maybe we should "support" current version + one before that | 17:23 |
| sarob | Backport would work existing books | 17:23 |
| sarob | Matjazp what do you mean? | 17:24 |
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| sarob | Matjazp current version of Openstack? | 17:24 |
| matjazp | sarob: yes | 17:25 |
| matjazp | sarob: supporting many versions is a lot of work | 17:25 |
| sarob | We could always branch the previous release | 17:25 |
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| rl | sarob, matjazp: can someone send me a link to the guide they would like the install script to follow? | 17:25 |
| rl | or post the link right here for the protocol | 17:26 |
| sarob | #link docs.openstack.org/training-guides | 17:27 |
| sarob | Different than that? | 17:27 |
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| matjazp | sarob: what about supporting support in the guides for current, not yet stable version? I found it goot to show students/trainees how they can install current devstack and check where OpenStack progress is heading | 17:28 |
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| sarob | Matjazp I'm good with that | 17:29 |
| sarob | Matjazp we will need to start focused sprints towards the end of the release cycle | 17:30 |
| rl | sarob: I was hoping for a page, not a manual | 17:30 |
| matjazp | sarob: yes, and it isn't helping that OpenStack has two releases per year ;) | 17:31 |
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| matjazp | rl: you mean you need pages where installation is described? | 17:32 |
| rl | matjazp: I'd like to know which one to follow. training-guides "building the training cluster" offers no help in this regard. | 17:33 |
| sarob | rl http://docs.openstack.org/training-guides/content/operator-controller-node-lab.html | 17:33 |
| sarob | The labs are meant to rebuild the same enviro as the trainer cluster | 17:34 |
| rl | sarob, that one's broken. but I'll start from there. | 17:34 |
| sarob | Okay | 17:34 |
| sarob | Matjazp we need to get into the the cycle of book update sprint at the end of the release cycle | 17:35 |
| sarob | Follow docs team | 17:36 |
| matjazp | sarob: ok. | 17:36 |
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| matjazp | I just got an answer from Arnes, they need details, but they also see no problems with hosting images | 17:37 |
| sarob | #info new sub-groups infra, active, backport, test questions | 17:37 |
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| rl | matjazp, sounds great. | 17:37 |
| matjazp | Arnes has very good uplink | 17:37 |
| sarob | Anyway we can make the training events | 17:37 |
| sarob | Run smoothly | 17:37 |
| sarob | So Openstack can be taught | 17:38 |
| sarob | Other stuff needs to be learned but on their own time | 17:38 |
| sarob | Cause we only have limited days | 17:39 |
| matjazp | sarob: when do docs team do their sprints? just before release? two weeks before? | 17:39 |
| sarob | They are cleaning up bugs now | 17:39 |
| sarob | Same as dev teams | 17:40 |
| sarob | Matjazp I will point the LPI guy in your direction | 17:41 |
| sarob | Matjazp you let know if LPI can help us? | 17:42 |
| matjazp | rl: regarding images... you plan on using a tool like packer? If we publish json templates, ppl can build images for themselves. But we can host them at Arnes anyway | 17:42 |
| sarob | Dguitarbite join us | 17:42 |
| sarob | ? | 17:42 |
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| sarob | Matjazp I'm good using any tool that will make it simple | 17:43 |
| rl | matjazp, I looked at packer, but no plans so far. Right now, I am just implementing what's already there. Install via bash, install via vagrant. | 17:43 |
| sarob | Ubuntu support right now | 17:43 |
| sarob | Think a bit about supporting RHEL and others | 17:43 |
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| sarob | As I get Redhat and hp more involved | 17:44 |
| rl | I guess it would have to be CentOS. | 17:44 |
| rl | I don't think we can host RHEL images | 17:44 |
| sarob | #topic more team members | 17:44 |
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| matjazp | sarob: packer or veewee makes it repeatable and configurable... and you can make images for different hypervisors | 17:45 |
| sarob | I'm good with that for sure | 17:45 |
| sarob | I'm working getting a few of the training devs from hp | 17:45 |
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| sarob | Involved | 17:45 |
| matjazp | sarob: will look into it... I hope we can automate some stuff... couse for now, I spent WAY too much time teaching students how to install openstack and all run different configurations in virtualized environments | 17:46 |
| sarob | They work on their own right now | 17:46 |
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| sarob | Matjazp I hear you. That's exactly what I want to cut out | 17:46 |
| rl | matjazp, you sound like you would like to be my beta tester. | 17:46 |
| matjazp | rl: hehee.. sure. | 17:47 |
| sarob | Sweet | 17:47 |
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| sarob | Y'all update a trello card for the team update | 17:48 |
| sarob | Between redhat and hp | 17:48 |
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| sarob | They have few people that create their training | 17:48 |
| sarob | Materials on their own | 17:48 |
| sarob | I'm working on making them part of our collaboration | 17:49 |
| matjazp | sarob: can you get licenses for RHEL? We can use Cenots for sure, but if they want us to use RHEL, they would have to come up with a solution regarding licenses.. maybe beta licenses? rhel 7 ? | 17:49 |
| sarob | Centos prob | 17:49 |
| sarob | The right option defn | 17:50 |
| sarob | Redhat guys may want to create rhel for customers | 17:50 |
| sarob | We will let the Redhat guys work that out | 17:50 |
| sarob | We focus on ubuntu for now | 17:50 |
| rl | sarob Still 12.04 LTS, right? | 17:51 |
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| sarob | rl I think so unless you want to jump up | 17:51 |
| sarob | 14.04 has good reviews right? | 17:52 |
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| matjazp | sarob: I tried 14.04 with devstack.. works like a charm | 17:52 |
| rl | sarob: I was considering it because 12.04 has some nasty issues, but I worked around most and 14.04 may be worse. | 17:52 |
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| sarob | rl you are building it. Your choice. | 17:53 |
| matjazp | sarob: I'm using it for our "internal disposable" OpenStack :) | 17:53 |
| rl | I want it to be useful to those who use it. | 17:53 |
| sarob | It for learning openstack | 17:53 |
| sarob | Not being the latest and greatest | 17:54 |
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| sarob | OS shouldn't be a critical part of training | 17:54 |
| rl | I'll stay with 12.04 for now. We can always branch off when we know how it worked out (good or bad). | 17:54 |
| matjazp | sarob: I think majority of blog posts and internet guides are for 12.04.. So maybe we sould stick with it for a while? | 17:54 |
| matjazp | rl: sounds right | 17:54 |
| rl | matjazp, Also, I hope my code won't need to change too much for different distros. | 17:55 |
| sarob | #info sarob working on hp and redhat to join the training team | 17:55 |
| sarob | #topic AOB | 17:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AOB (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 17:55 | |
| sarob | Any other business? | 17:55 |
| matjazp | nope | 17:56 |
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| * rl won't be here next monday | 17:56 | |
| sarob | Me either | 17:56 |
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| matjazp | ok.. gotta go.. see ya all | 17:56 |
| sarob | #info next training manuals meeting is cancelled due to summit | 17:56 |
| sarob | Cheers! | 17:57 |
| rl | later | 17:57 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 17:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "(Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 17:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 5 17:57:18 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-05-05-17.03.html | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-05-05-17.03.txt | 17:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-05-05-17.03.log.html | 17:57 |
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| redrobot | It's meetin' time! :) | 20:01 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 5 20:01:44 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:01 |
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| Swami | hi all | 20:01 |
| redrobot | hi Swami! | 20:02 |
| malini | Greetings | 20:02 |
| atiwari | Hi All | 20:02 |
| hgedikli | hi | 20:02 |
| bdpayne | o/ | 20:02 |
| lisaclark1 | o/ | 20:02 |
| jraim | o/ | 20:02 |
| reaperhulk | reporting for duty | 20:02 |
| redrobot | reaperhulk need more Vespene gas | 20:02 |
| alee | o/ | 20:02 |
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| arunkant | o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | as usual the Barbican meeting agenda can be found here: | 20:03 |
| kfarr | o/ | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:03 |
| reaperhulk | I'm only mining minerals | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | And it looks like we don't have a pre-set agenda for today, so I'm just going to wing it. | 20:03 |
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| atiwari | redrobot, there are some agenda :) | 20:04 |
| Swami | redrobot: I added an additional agenda to check the readiness to consume by advanced services. | 20:04 |
| redrobot | derp, sorry guys, I totally skipped past that | 20:04 |
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| hockeynut | o/ | 20:05 |
| redrobot | Ok, let's go in order of the wiki then | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | #topic Extended plugin for more key types | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | I think this CR has made a lot of progress since last week | 20:06 |
| redrobot | I still want to go through and re-review. | 20:07 |
| redrobot | I was concerned about the supports(...) logic in the dev plugin | 20:07 |
| redrobot | but I haven't had a chance to look at the latest patches | 20:07 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:07 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82189/ | 20:07 |
| * redrobot is not as prepared as he should be | 20:08 | |
| atiwari | redrobot, please add your concerns if any. I have tried to address multipel around support | 20:08 |
| redrobot | atiwari will do | 20:08 |
| redrobot | anyone else have any comments on that patch? | 20:08 |
| malini | I have a few questions: | 20:08 |
| reaperhulk | I +1'd it today reflecting my general feeling that is mostly good, but since it touches the core of the system I'd love more eyes on it (ASAP) | 20:08 |
| malini | with hmac etc .. will the user provide a passphrase to hamc-ify | 20:09 |
| malini | else what is the point in generating a random number or string and hmac-ifying? | 20:09 |
| malini | shall we apply a salt and save the salt or secret with the hmac | 20:09 |
| malini | and salt is random but stored once selected | 20:10 |
| atiwari | malini, can you please add your concern in the cr | 20:10 |
| atiwari | ? | 20:10 |
| malini | yes, but raised it here in case I have missed some context that others have | 20:10 |
| atiwari | basically hmac keya are needed to generate secret key access key pairs | 20:11 |
| atiwari | and used to generate API access signature | 20:11 |
| atiwari | with different algo hmacshaxxx ... | 20:11 |
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| atiwari | do that make sense | 20:13 |
| atiwari | ? | 20:13 |
| malini | I know hmac used for signatures, also it is a technique used to capture "passwords" for authentication without leaking the password | 20:13 |
| atiwari | it is not for password | 20:13 |
| reaperhulk | Generic HMAC support is not really specified yet in barbican. The items in SYMMETRIC_ALGORITHMS are really only a list of allowable types that underlying plugins can support. Plugins still have to add their own support for this type, which would only be for generation or storage at this time. | 20:13 |
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| malini | just asking if when hmac used, are we getting user input in terms of a passphrase .. the thing that we shall hmac | 20:13 |
| atiwari | in swift there is concept of temp url | 20:14 |
| atiwari | these hmac will be used by end users to generate those temp url | 20:14 |
| atiwari | that is one use of it | 20:14 |
| reaperhulk | atiwari: those uses are in the future though, correct? At this time even with your CR barbican can't do anything with "hmac" other than generate/store/retrieve keys that it may consider hmac keys. | 20:15 |
| malini | reaperhulk and atiwari -- thanks -- my question answered | 20:15 |
| atiwari | reaperhulk correct | 20:15 |
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| atiwari | barbican is just responsible for generate/store/retrieve | 20:16 |
| reaperhulk | okay, glad we cleared that up :) | 20:16 |
| atiwari | good | 20:16 |
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| redrobot | ok, looks like we just need more eyes on that review to keep it moving along. | 20:17 |
| redrobot | let's move on to the next topic | 20:17 |
| atiwari | redrobot sounds OK | 20:17 |
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| redrobot | #topic Target support for policy enforcement | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81310/ | 20:18 |
| redrobot | I think woodster__ had some concerns about this one. | 20:18 |
| arunkant | I have addressed those concerns and waiting for feedback on those comments | 20:18 |
| redrobot | but it looks like some of them have been addressed | 20:18 |
| atiwari | yep | 20:19 |
| redrobot | arunkant got it | 20:19 |
| redrobot | I think we're on the same boat of needing more eyes on this CR as well? | 20:19 |
| woodster__ | arunkant: I can take a look at the latest changes. | 20:19 |
| atiwari | redrobot I think you skipped one topic :) | 20:20 |
| redrobot | atiwari coming back to the API changes as one topic next :) | 20:20 |
| atiwari | ok | 20:20 |
| arunkant | great woodster__ | 20:20 |
| woodster__ | I do think everyone should weigh in on this CR though | 20:20 |
| redrobot | any more comments on this CR while we're here? | 20:20 |
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| atiwari | redrobot I did a review sometime back I will look at it again | 20:21 |
| redrobot | atiwari awesome, thanks | 20:22 |
| redrobot | ok, let's move along | 20:22 |
| atiwari | np | 20:22 |
| redrobot | #topic API changes | 20:22 |
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| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88463/ | 20:22 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90613/ | 20:22 |
| redrobot | I do like that we're using Gerrit for reviewing this stuff... I think we definitely need to make some time to add a repo just for this type of reviews though | 20:23 |
| atiwari | +2 redrobot | 20:23 |
| redrobot | that way we can vote, and merge the API change once we all agree on one | 20:23 |
| atiwari | that will be awesome | 20:23 |
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| reaperhulk | agreed | 20:23 |
| malini | the openstack blueprints have all moved to gerrit these days | 20:23 |
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| jraim | I'd like to avoid a repo just for API changes, I'd prefer moving to all blueprints being in Gerrit with any api changes detailed in one of them | 20:24 |
| jraim | Maybe we can nail down exactly how that will look at the summit? | 20:24 |
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| atiwari | Thanks jraim , lets hash out this in summit | 20:25 |
| Swami | Do you have any sessions in the summit | 20:26 |
| redrobot | #agreed We will nail down a blueprint Gerrit process at Atlanta Summit | 20:26 |
| alee | atiwari, 90613 has "outdated" in the description? is that correct -- or is this cr still valid? | 20:26 |
| atiwari | redrobot +1 | 20:26 |
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| atiwari | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90613/? | 20:27 |
| atiwari | alee ^ | 20:27 |
| atiwari | it is valid for certificate generation API | 20:27 |
| alee | atiwari, ah never mind -- it depends on an outdated lueprint .. | 20:28 |
| redrobot | atiwari yeah, looks like it depends on an outdated CR. Maybe it needs to be rebased? This is something that we'll have to figure out as part of the Atlanta Blueprint Gerrit discussion. | 20:28 |
| alee | my confusions | 20:28 |
| Swami | Is this link broken, I could not open the link | 20:28 |
| jraim | Swami: we have two official sessions. The gerrit one will probably just be a table discussion in the ATC lounge | 20:28 |
| atiwari | redrobot https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88463/ is the one before that one | 20:28 |
| Swami | jraim: thanks | 20:29 |
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| atiwari | and this is needed for me to start API part of key generation | 20:29 |
| atiwari | I am not much concerned about #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90613/ | 20:29 |
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| atiwari | lets skip https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90613/ for now | 20:30 |
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| redrobot | atiwari I'll have to lookt at 88463 in more detail, but at a glance it looks pretty good. | 20:32 |
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| atiwari | great, I will be waiting for some blessings on it. | 20:33 |
| atiwari | thanks | 20:33 |
| redrobot | anyone have opinions on using "key" vs "symmetric"? | 20:33 |
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| reaperhulk | redrobot: I'll need to look at the context to have a real opinion on that ;) | 20:33 |
| redrobot | reaperhulk cool, we'll keep those CRs moving then. Hopefully we'll have a repo to land them into next week. | 20:34 |
| atiwari | +1 | 20:34 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:34 |
| atiwari | yep | 20:34 |
| redrobot | #topic Barbican Certificate/Key generation status for Advanced Services Common Requirements | 20:34 |
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| Swami | hi redrobot. | 20:35 |
| redrobot | hi Swami, was this you that added the topic? | 20:35 |
| Swami | Yes just wanted to give some insight on where I am coming from | 20:35 |
| Swami | redrobot: yes | 20:35 |
| redrobot | Swami go ahead | 20:35 |
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| Swami | We are currently working on the Neutron Advanced Services framework. | 20:35 |
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| Swami | Our Advanced services such as VPN and LBaaS wanted to store and retrieve the certificates for their use. | 20:36 |
| Swami | We had a discussion with the Neutron PTL and we were asked to use the Barbican infrastructure for all certificate and keys store. | 20:37 |
| Swami | So that is the reason I will be following, barbican. | 20:37 |
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| Swami | I did go through the Wiki, pretty much I understood the API and how the keys are stored and retrieved. | 20:37 |
| Swami | How does it work, when a Service wanted to use it on behalf of a tenant. | 20:38 |
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| alee | Swami, what kind of certificates are these? ssl server certs? user certs? signing certs? | 20:38 |
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| jraim | Swami: so the general thought would be either (a) service token or (b) impersonation token | 20:38 |
| jraim | (b) should work now. I don't think we've really thought about (a) yet | 20:39 |
| Swami | alee: Yes these would be ssl certificates and self signed certificates | 20:39 |
| jraim | but it could be handled with the policy stuff I think? | 20:39 |
| Swami | Or even a CA singed certificate. | 20:39 |
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| Swami | Yes we need to sync up with your team to figure out the roadmap and how we can integrate it right now. | 20:40 |
| jraim | Swami: do you have an opinion on whether you would like a service token or impersonation token? | 20:40 |
| woodster__ | swami: it migth be good to detail a scenario you are envisioning here | 20:40 |
| jraim | does keystone doing impersonations? Or is that just rax-auth | 20:40 |
| redrobot | jraim I'm thinking that's a rax-auth feature | 20:41 |
| Swami | I think in this case it would be both, if i understand it correctly both Service token and impersonation token. | 20:41 |
| Swami | A tenant is configuring a secure VPN tunnel, so he wanted to use a certificate for authentication or use any PSK for authentication. | 20:41 |
| atiwari | keystone does not support impersonations but there is concept of trust | 20:42 |
| Swami | These keys say for example it will be stored by the barbican service. | 20:42 |
| atiwari | one can give trust to someone | 20:42 |
| woodster__ | swami: Is this related to this question on the openstack-dev neutron lbass list?: Is there anyway (or any plans to) allow a user to register a secret as | 20:42 |
| woodster__ | being used by another service so that barbican will disallow deleting | 20:42 |
| woodster__ | (or make it so that its harder to delete, and make the user aware its | 20:42 |
| woodster__ | being used by what services)? | 20:42 |
| Swami | Then when the VPN service is created, then we need to provide either the "URL" of the barbican's tenant's certificate for the driver to pull the certificate on behalf of then tenant. | 20:42 |
| woodster__ | (sorry formatting borked there…) | 20:43 |
| Swami | woodster: I need to check this back with the Advanced services team, since the framework is being re-worked right. If this is basic reqirement then I can take it to the that team. | 20:44 |
| Swami | I will update it next week on this. | 20:44 |
| Swami | We probably should also have a meeting in Atlanta face-to-face to discuss how barbican can tie with the services requirements. | 20:44 |
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| redrobot | #action swami to meet with Barbican team during Atlanta summit to discuss further | 20:46 |
| Swami | +1 agreed | 20:46 |
| redrobot | cool | 20:47 |
| redrobot | Ok, we got one more topic on the agenda | 20:47 |
| redrobot | #topic Add key-wrapping to encrypt/decrypt | 20:47 |
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| redrobot | alee you want to take this one? | 20:47 |
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| alee | yeah - has anyone other than reaperhulk had a chance to review this? | 20:48 |
| alee | ( I wrote it today so I wont be surprised if no one else has) | 20:48 |
| atiwari | alee not yet, I will look after the meeting | 20:48 |
| alee | but basically its what we have been talking about on and off for awhile -- ie. changes on the barbican server to enable wrapping | 20:49 |
| woodster__ | is there a CR out there? | 20:49 |
| reaperhulk | woodster__: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/add-wrapping-key-to-barbican-server | 20:49 |
| reaperhulk | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/add-wrapping-key-to-barbican-server | 20:49 |
| alee | woodster__, not yet -- just a blueprint | 20:49 |
| reaperhulk | It links to the dogtag wiki so it doesn't hurt your eyes to read it | 20:49 |
| alee | woodster__, I did not create a CR because there are some design decisions | 20:49 |
| woodster__ | alee: got it, thanks | 20:50 |
| alee | woodster__, basically - for secret storage - option 1 vs option 2 | 20:50 |
| alee | woodster__, and for retrieval - GET vs POST | 20:50 |
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| atiwari | alee can you please start etherpad/api proposal ? | 20:51 |
| alee | sure | 20:51 |
| malini | what happened to that proposal where we wanted to control access to a key not just by tenant but by user-id and role | 20:51 |
| alee | reaperhulk and I have discussed a few things on this -- and I'll put that on the proposal | 20:52 |
| atiwari | malini , we are working on it | 20:52 |
| atiwari | arun-kant has posed first cr in the same kine | 20:52 |
| wyllys | i like the wrapping proposal - buy why 3DES and not AES? | 20:52 |
| atiwari | s/kine/line | 20:53 |
| alee | wyllys, we can do AES -- its just because the DRM requiresw 3DES for now. We'll fix that. | 20:53 |
| wyllys | ok | 20:53 |
| alee | and allow you to specify the algorithm | 20:53 |
| wyllys | every time i read DRM, I think of digital rights mgmt. ugh. | 20:53 |
| alee | wyllys, sorry - some brainiac in marketing come up with that .. | 20:54 |
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| redrobot | wyllys me too >_< | 20:54 |
| alee | I think it precedes digital rightsa mgmt though .. | 20:54 |
| alee | maybe we can sue microsoft .. | 20:54 |
| reaperhulk | KRA was unacceptable :D | 20:54 |
| wyllys | its got very negative connotations now. especially when discussing crypto and keys. | 20:55 |
| alee | yeah - internally we always say KRA. | 20:55 |
| wyllys | cool | 20:55 |
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| redrobot | alrighty guys, looks like we're down to the last few minutes here | 20:56 |
| alee | anyways, if I can get some eyes on this in the next day or two, I can whip up a cr by the summit | 20:56 |
| redrobot | alee will do | 20:56 |
| woodster__ | Just an FYI that we'll be sending out links to plugin design/concept wikis this week…hopefully will help with design work in Atlanta | 20:57 |
| atiwari | all just for FYI, I am putting together API change proposal to remove tenant from uri and support for hard delete and cascade delete. Will need some discussion in summit | 20:57 |
| redrobot | Ok, guys. Remember there won't be an IRC meeting next week. (I think?) | 20:57 |
| redrobot | #topic Summit | 20:57 |
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| atiwari | redrobot ^ | 20:58 |
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| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Barbican#Discussions_.2F_Etherpads | 20:58 |
| redrobot | take a look at those ^^ before the summit if y'all get a chance | 20:58 |
| redrobot | Remember, no IRC meeting next week (I think?). See you guys in Atlanta! | 20:59 |
| atiwari | redrobot sure | 20:59 |
| redrobot | Thanks for coming, everyone! | 21:00 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 5 21:00:06 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-05-05-20.01.html | 21:00 |
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