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| sergmelikyan | Guys, let's vote for bug-scrab day/time for this week: http://doodle.com/9yzmx5gpe336ac34hiq2k7eu | 07:18 |
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| sergmelikyan | sorry, wrong chat | 07:18 |
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| tzumainn | hi - is this the right channel for the glance weekly meeting? | 14:05 |
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| jokke_ | tzumainn: yes | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | yes, but there's disagreement about the start time | 14:05 |
| tzumainn | ah, okay - thanks! | 14:05 |
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| jokke_ | there shouldn't be any, it's about 5min ago ;) | 14:06 |
| d0ugal | lol | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | well, it could be at 20:00 | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | depends on how you count the alternating weeks | 14:06 |
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| rosmaita | i think 14:00 is correct for today, but i only work here | 14:07 |
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| jokke_ | there was discussion about that in the channel yesterday and missed miiting does not change the schedule was the consensus | 14:08 |
| ameade | rosmaita: my calendar says now | 14:08 |
| jokke_ | meeting even | 14:08 |
| hemanth_ | yeah, mark confirmed that it'd be 1400 UTC | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | ok, let's have a meeting! | 14:08 |
| d0ugal | \o/ | 14:08 |
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| nikhil__ | is it # startmeeting glance ? | 14:10 |
| nikhil__ | w/o the ws | 14:10 |
| d0ugal | nikhil__: Yup | 14:11 |
| d0ugal | nikhil__: Based on what I've seen others do. | 14:11 |
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| nikhil__ | #startmeeting glance | 14:11 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 22 14:11:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:11 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:11 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:11 |
| nikhil__ | roll call | 14:11 |
| nikhil__ | o/ | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 14:11 |
| hemanth_ | 0/ yes sir | 14:11 |
| TravT | o/ | 14:11 |
| ewindisch | o/ | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:11 |
| gokrokve | Georgy Okrokvertskhov (Mirantis) | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:11 |
| d0ugal | o/ | 14:12 |
| ameade | o/ | 14:12 |
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| hemanth_ | haha, what now? | 14:12 |
| hemanth_ | do we have an agenda? | 14:12 |
| nikhil__ | was getting a link | 14:12 |
| nikhil__ | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:12 |
| nikhil__ | seems like 3 items | 14:13 |
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| nikhil__ | guessing question #1 was answered | 14:13 |
| nikhil__ | unless someone here has more info | 14:14 |
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| jokke_ | sorry, don't know and mclaren does not seem to be here | 14:15 |
| nikhil__ | cool | 14:15 |
| nikhil__ | we can leave that as is and catch up next meeting | 14:16 |
| nikhil__ | moving to next item, anyone from tuskar here? | 14:16 |
| tzumainn | hi! both d0ugal and I are here | 14:16 |
| d0ugal | Hi :) | 14:16 |
| tzumainn | we're extremely interested in the prospect of using glance to store HOT templates | 14:17 |
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| tzumainn | and were wondering - is there an optimal way to keep up-to-date with development progress, perhaps test things out, help if needed, etc. . . ? | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | I think the best way is helping out and watching glance on gerrit | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | It would be really useful to get your feedback on thsoe reviews | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | and the original proposal | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | A rough plan came out of that session but I haven't seen it written anywhere | 14:18 |
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| flaper87 | so, it'd be nice to help planning things for juno and start coding on it | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | I don't believe there's LOT of work there | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | and it seems to be pretty isolated from the rest | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | how does that sound? | 14:19 |
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| tzumainn | that sounds good - is there a primary developer focusing on the development? | 14:19 |
| gokrokve | Where is a spec review repo fro glance? I believe Alex will have to add specs for artifact repository. | 14:19 |
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| nikhil__ | anyone has the google doc link handy? | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | gokrokve: i don't think the spec repos is ready yet, will know more tomorrow | 14:20 |
| tzumainn | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tOTsIytVWtXGUaT2Ia4V5PWq4CiTfZPDn6rpRm5In7U | 14:20 |
| gokrokve | rosmaita: Ok. As soon as we have it we will post artifact repository specs. | 14:20 |
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| TravT | Regarding that document... I think that the general consensus was to simplify it. I don't think the outcome of the session has been captured in it. | 14:21 |
| tzumainn | okay, so it sounds like you guys are starting up a spec repository like tripleo, and then we can expect a spec for the artifact repository there? | 14:22 |
| gokrokve | TravT: Yes. The was a consensus to implement simplified version first. Alex has to create specs for the features which will be implemented in Juno release. | 14:23 |
| d0ugal | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+%28project:openstack/glance-specs%29,n,z | 14:23 |
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| nikhil__ | seems like all the information needs to be put in a single place | 14:25 |
| nikhil__ | any volunteers for it? | 14:26 |
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| nikhil__ | (possibly work on the doc to simplify it and get notes from summit in there) | 14:26 |
| nikhil__ | Okay then, we can let people catch up outside of the meeting. Possibly discussing in the next meeting, if needed. | 14:28 |
| nikhil__ | jokke_: seems like you'r tagged for the next item ;) | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | Yeah | 14:29 |
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| jokke_ | I walked through quite a bunch of old bugs during the summit week | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | and I was thinking would it help if we would agree a tag that can be used to flag those old/inactive/incomplete/fixed bugs for closure to clean the list up | 14:30 |
| jokke_ | so person like me could go and flag the bug and those bugs would be easily found for review | 14:30 |
| jokke_ | and closure | 14:31 |
| nikhil__ | +1 from me | 14:31 |
| nikhil__ | (do we can want to put that on vote here? and let mark see the results to take a decision?) | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | that's fine by me, but I think we should get some name for that tag as well so we could distribute the info (and make sure that there is no 25 different tags like "toBeClosed" "for_closure" etc.) :) | 14:33 |
| nikhil__ | yeah | 14:33 |
| nikhil__ | okay, let's put that as action | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | I would propose "inactive" as I think the spam bugs are ok for anyone to just mark invalid | 14:34 |
| nikhil__ | jokke_: do you mind owning that? | 14:34 |
| nikhil__ | jokke_: it would be good to see what other projects use just to confirm | 14:35 |
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| jokke_ | I can look around and see if other projects uses some mechanism for identifying these | 14:35 |
| nikhil__ | sounds good | 14:35 |
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| nikhil__ | #action jokke_ get some info from other openstack projects about additional tag for inactive bugs | 14:37 |
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| nikhil__ | last item on agenda before open discussion | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | I'll put my findings/proposal to the meeting agenda regardless if I'm going to attend or not | 14:37 |
| nikhil__ | Graffiti developers? | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | for next week | 14:38 |
| nikhil__ | jokke_: thanks | 14:38 |
| TravT | Graffiti - here | 14:38 |
| TravT | We demo'd our Graffiti project POC around metadata "tagging" of various resource types (images, volumes, flavors, etc). We received very positive feedback and numerous people proposed that we build the Graffiti metadata repository API concepts in Glance. Mark was very interested as well and we had a number of in person discussions. | 14:38 |
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| TravT | So, we have been digging into that to see what it might mean and are putting together a base proposal, which we'll send out on the mailing list soon for discussion. | 14:38 |
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| TravT | We also learned quite a bit during our POC, so we're working through those learnings as well. | 14:39 |
| TravT | So, this is just a heads up on that. | 14:39 |
| nikhil__ | that sounds good | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | TravT: do you know if that demo was recorded? Sounds interesting | 14:39 |
| TravT | Unfortunately, it wasn't... | 14:40 |
| TravT | Was pretty disappointed | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | :( | 14:40 |
| TravT | but, I was thinking that today I could create new quick demo | 14:40 |
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| TravT | I mean I could create a quick updated video. | 14:40 |
| TravT | I'll send that out, too. | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | TravT: sounds good | 14:41 |
| nikhil__ | TravT: great, if you intend to discuss more in next meeting(s), we should tag that as an action item | 14:42 |
| TravT | Yes, go ahead | 14:42 |
| TravT | we'll want to discuss more, I'm sure. | 14:42 |
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| nikhil__ | #action TravT to work on a demo video for Graffiti | 14:43 |
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| nikhil__ | let's put the meeting for open discussion | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | One thing I noticed today, reading the wiki ... our feature support matrix is pretty damn outdated ... is there plans to update that or ditch it? | 14:44 |
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| nikhil__ | jokke_: do you have the link handy? | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | in a sec | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GlanceFeatureMatrix | 14:45 |
| nikhil__ | seems like we should get that updated | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | Either updated or removed | 14:46 |
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| nikhil__ | volunteers? | 14:47 |
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| jokke_ | I'm not familiar enough, unfortunately, to do it | 14:47 |
| nikhil__ | #action decide the fate of feature support matrix | 14:47 |
| nikhil__ | no worries, thanks for bringing that up | 14:48 |
| nikhil__ | unless someone has something else, we can have short meeting today | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | One more question, is there any central place where we who couldn't attend to the summit could read about the outcome of the sessions? | 14:49 |
| nikhil__ | all the sessions should have a corres. etherpad | 14:50 |
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| nikhil__ | link to it is generally placed in the description of the same | 14:50 |
| cpallares | jokke_: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Juno/Etherpads#Glance | 14:50 |
| jokke_ | ok, is there a way to browse those etherpads/links to them somewhere? | 14:50 |
| jokke_ | cool thanks cpallares !! | 14:50 |
| nikhil__ | thanks cpallares | 14:51 |
| nikhil__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GlanceFeatureMatrix | 14:51 |
| nikhil__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Juno/Etherpads#Glance | 14:51 |
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| nikhil__ | thanks for the meeting folks, let's adjourn | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | thnx | 14:53 |
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| nikhil__ | #endmeeting | 14:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 22 14:53:32 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-05-22-14.11.html | 14:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-05-22-14.11.txt | 14:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-05-22-14.11.log.html | 14:53 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 22 15:02:29 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | hello everyone | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | hi | 15:02 |
| shamail | Hello | 15:02 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:02 |
| scottda | Hello | 15:02 |
| mberlin | Hi guys. | 15:02 |
| navneet | hi | 15:02 |
| ameade | hey | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:03 |
| bswartz | we have an agenda today | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | #topic Atlanta Summit | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Atlanta Summit (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:03 | |
| bswartz | first I just wanted to recap the atlanta summit for those who couldn't make it | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | It was very awesome, and manila came up during presentations where I didn't even expect it | 15:04 |
| yportnova | hi | 15:04 |
| bswartz | lot of people were talking about the project, which is great | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | There was a session dedicated to Manila, where several vendors (including many here) presented | 15:05 |
| bswartz | for anyone that missed it: | 15:05 |
| bswartz | #link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR-X7jbG5QM | 15:05 |
| bswartz | ofc the lighting was really bad so you can't see the presenters too well | 15:05 |
| scottda | Congratulations to the Core team. The demo was impressive and the room was packed full. | 15:05 |
| bswartz | the room was indeed packed, we counted about 225 people in a room designed for 175 | 15:06 |
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| xyang1 | Wow! I didn't realize there were so many people there. This is great! I hope TC got to watch the presentation | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | we also held a "design summit session" at a sports bar near the convention center because we weren't able to get on the official design summit track | 15:07 |
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| rraja | hi | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | I think it ended up working out better than an official session because we got to talk about what we needed to and we got lot of free food/beer | 15:07 |
| navneet | bswartz: Do you want to mention the key takeaways for manilla during summit | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | navneet: I'm getting there but you're welcome to share your thoughts | 15:08 |
| navneet | bswartz:sure | 15:08 |
| bswartz | so there were a few new ideas that came up, and of course we still have a backlog of features we want to get done | 15:09 |
| bswartz | I'm going to cover that in later topic | 15:09 |
| bswartz | the main takeaway is that people are starting to find out about the project, and they like what they hearing -- there is definite interest in what we are building | 15:09 |
| bswartz | now there is pressure to develop more faster, to expand the team, and to focus on stability and quality more than ever | 15:10 |
| bswartz | We want to be incubated too, and I think that given the popularity we saw in Atlanta, that won't be a problem | 15:10 |
| bswartz | however we still want to make it as easy as possible for the TC to say yes to our request so I'd like to see more contributions from non-code members | 15:11 |
| bswartz | code reviews are always welcome | 15:11 |
| shamail | bswartz: I think stability and Multi-vendor support for the project. We still need a beta right? | 15:12 |
| bswartz | let's get the drivers that are currently pending submission to actually be submitted | 15:12 |
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| xyang1 | we are working on that | 15:12 |
| bswartz | shamail: beta was during icehouse -- it should be ready to use now | 15:12 |
| bswartz | in fact I know of several people who are setting it up and trying it out now | 15:13 |
| shamail | bswartz: Awesome, great news. | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | it is actually beta | 15:13 |
| bswartz | the API can't change anymore -- if further API changes (beyond what we've done already) are needed we should create v2 | 15:13 |
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| shamail | I meant ppl trying it, sorry. | 15:13 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: do you have a customer who is going to run this? | 15:14 |
| bswartz | xyang1: several | 15:14 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: cool! TC will be happy to see that | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | I'm not sure which we can talk about -- we should go around and ask them if they'll make a public statement | 15:15 |
| ameade | TC may be wary if we go in right away with a v2 API..just to keep that in mind | 15:15 |
| bswartz | the last thing I'll say is that while we don't see much participation from the cinder core team in manila, I know that they're watching our progress and they were mostly impressed | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | yeah I don't expect we'll need a v2 API in the near future -- just making the point that it's time to lock down what we have | 15:16 |
| shamail | bswartz: +1 | 15:17 |
| bswartz | last time we talked to the TC they made the point that API stability was a big deal and we didn't have that in november | 15:17 |
| bswartz | okay anything else on Atlanta before I move on? | 15:17 |
| bswartz | #topic dev status | 15:18 |
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| navneet | bswartz: any new ideas proposed | 15:18 |
| navneet | ? | 15:18 |
| bswartz | navneet: next topic | 15:18 |
| navneet | ok :) | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | ok, Dev status: | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | Common: | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | share-networks activation API was removed. Implemented functionality of share servers, that use data from share-networks. Share-servers are created after first share creation request. Share-servers are deleted (can be disabled with config) after deletion of last share. No direct API for work with share-servers at the moment. | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | 1) share servers details infrastructure: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94570/ | 15:19 |
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| vponomaryov | 2) Multibackend tempest job: | 15:19 |
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| vponomaryov | bp: #link: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/multibackend-installation-tempest-job | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | devstack #link: https://review.openstack.org/94588 | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | tempest #link: https://review.openstack.org/94369 | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | bug: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1321340 | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | fix: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94655/ | 15:19 |
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| vponomaryov | TODO: | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | 1) Update manilaclient with latest changes in manila | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | 2) Update horizon with latest manila changes (removing activation api) | 15:19 |
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| vponomaryov | 3) Refactor of service_instance module, then generic driver | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | 4) Add bash scripts that will be used in tempest jobs | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | 5) Add multibackend tempest job to openstack-infra/config project | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | that's the main for now | 15:20 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: ty! | 15:20 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: so we're still planning an admin-only API for share servers right? | 15:20 |
| bswartz | just to list them | 15:21 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: we should disscuss it | 15:21 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:21 |
| bswartz | any questions about the above | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | what's to discuss regarding an API for listing share-servers? | 15:22 |
| bswartz | I think it's something admins will want to see | 15:22 |
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| vponomaryov | what API should be at all? | 15:22 |
| bswartz | and I think it's clear we can't have a tenant-facing API for that | 15:22 |
| vponomaryov | read/update ... | 15:22 |
| bswartz | I think we just need APIs for listing and querying details | 15:23 |
| vponomaryov | hm, ok, sounds good | 15:23 |
| bswartz | I can't think of anything we'd want to allow the admin to change -- the goal is that manila sets everything up so the admin doesn't need to change anything | 15:23 |
| bswartz | ofc the admin can always to straight to the real backend and make changes if he chooses | 15:23 |
| ameade | does manila have policies?... i think going forward apis should control access via policies instead of an explicit admin api | 15:24 |
| bswartz | that's something we want to avoid for obvious reasons | 15:24 |
| vponomaryov | ameade: of course | 15:24 |
| bswartz | ameade: yes we do it the same way cinder does it, with policies | 15:24 |
| ameade | kk cool, just making sure :) | 15:25 |
| shamail | For generic driver, would SVMs be the share servers? No real way to query them with a single command if this API doesn't exist. | 15:25 |
| bswartz | alright | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | #agreed we'll add an admin API for listing/querying share servers, there will be no update/delete | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | shamail: that's exactly the point | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | we need to track the service VMs created by manila and the share-servers is how manila will do it | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | however the concept of a share-server is vendor neutral -- it should support abstractions used by all backends | 15:26 |
| bswartz | in the netapp case a share-server is a vserver | 15:27 |
| bswartz | and netapp marketing has started calling vservers SVMs just to make it more confusing | 15:27 |
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| shamail | bswartz: Yep. I was only mentioning that since certain backends would have commands "out of band" to list servers while others won't. Definitely agree with the admin API idea for level set. | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | the key here is that the backend gets to decide when/if to create new share servers, and manila needs to keep track of them so they can be managed | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | the scheduler also has to be aware of them so that, once created, they can be reused to minimize creation of extra ones | 15:28 |
| bswartz | okay hopefully that's all clear | 15:29 |
| bswartz | next topic | 15:29 |
| bswartz | #topic blueprints | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | so there were some new ideas at the summit | 15:29 |
| bswartz | and some old ideas got additional urgency | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/non-vlan-multitenancy | 15:30 |
| bswartz | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/access-groups | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/nova-integration | 15:30 |
| bswartz | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/mount-automation | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | those are the new ones I just added | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | and there are existing ones that are still important | 15:31 |
| bswartz | in the next few weeks I'm going to be looking for people to work on all of these | 15:32 |
| bswartz | does anyone want to volunteer right now? | 15:32 |
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| shamail | Any require design work? | 15:32 |
| scottda | I cannot do all of these :) | 15:32 |
| bswartz | yes they all do | 15:32 |
| scottda | But I can do 1 or some | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | nearly all of these will require some discussion and agreement | 15:33 |
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| shamail | I can think about mount automation | 15:33 |
| bswartz | but before we can do that some investigation is needed | 15:33 |
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| scottda | I can do non-vlan-multitenancy | 15:33 |
| bswartz | scottda: wow that would be awesome | 15:33 |
| bswartz | the trick to that one is that you'd need a backend that supported VLAN trunking to validate the design | 15:34 |
| bswartz | I'll put assignees on these just for tracking | 15:35 |
| scottda | I share a cube with a Neutron Dev, and sit amongst a whole team of Neutron folks, so I will have access to lots of networking help | 15:35 |
| bswartz | I'll talk to individuals by PM after the meeting to make sure they're assigned right | 15:35 |
| bswartz | and we can change it later on if we need to | 15:35 |
| bswartz | but I'd like to use the upcoming meetings for design discussions on these and it would be good to have some experiments/prototypes to talk about | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | there will also be some more netapp people contributing directly soon and we'll see who can work on what | 15:37 |
| bswartz | so expect an update on that next week | 15:37 |
| bswartz | I think that covers the stuff I wanted to talk about today so I'll open the floor | 15:37 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | there were some people questioning the name "volume_types" | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | any of them here to make their case? | 15:38 |
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| xyang1 | should it be share_types instead? | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | that was a proposal I heard | 15:39 |
| bswartz | if something thinks we should change it please put an agenda item up for next week and we'll discuss it | 15:40 |
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| xyang1 | since we changed "volume" in other places to "share", it makes sense to change this one | 15:40 |
| bswartz | xyang1: there's a counter argument though which is that while shares and volume are 2 different things, the term "volume_type" in cinder actually refers to the underlying storage more than the volume itself | 15:41 |
| bswartz | perhaps cinder would have been better off with storage_type or something similarly generic | 15:41 |
| shamail | I'm torn personally. | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | either way, manila is referring to the same concept of the underlying storage type, and because of the overlap/commonality I like to use the same term that cinder uses | 15:42 |
| shamail | Exactly because of the reason you just stated. | 15:42 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: I like storage_type more then sahre_* or volume* | 15:42 |
| bswartz | In particular, when you set a volume_type in manila, and the generic driver is used, it will create a cinder volume of the same volume_type to host the storage | 15:42 |
| shamail | The BE volume has more impact on the characteristics of the "share" than the share itself. It's consistency vs ambiguity. | 15:42 |
| bswartz | in that case there really is a direct mapping | 15:42 |
| bswartz | that's not to say it couldn't be handled correctly with share_types or somesuch | 15:43 |
| bswartz | anyways this may come up again next week | 15:43 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: no, generic driver does not set volume_type to cinder | 15:43 |
| bswartz | think about it and form an opinion | 15:43 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: volume_types in manila are used only for maila's backends | 15:43 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: I know that's not there yet, but we want to add it | 15:44 |
| vponomaryov | ok | 15:44 |
| bswartz | I don't see any problem with mapping the volume_type all the way through in the case of the generic driver | 15:44 |
| bswartz | but I'm willing to be convinced otherwise | 15:44 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: we can have two generic drivers | 15:44 |
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| vponomaryov | and manila's volume_types will link to them | 15:45 |
| vponomaryov | it is totally two different volume_types | 15:45 |
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| bswartz | okay well I don't expect to decide this today | 15:46 |
| bswartz | anything else? | 15:46 |
| xyang1 | vponomaryov: you mean one generic driver in code, but run two instances of generic drivers? | 15:46 |
| vponomaryov | yes | 15:46 |
| bswartz | all the netapp people are quiet because a meeting started 16 minutes ago and I'm late to it.... | 15:46 |
| shamail | :) | 15:46 |
| shamail | I gotta run too. Have a great day everyone! | 15:47 |
| bswartz | okay thanks everyone | 15:47 |
| yportnova | thank you | 15:47 |
| vponomaryov | thanks | 15:47 |
| bswartz | scottda, shamail: I'm going to PM you in a moment | 15:47 |
| shamail | Ok | 15:47 |
| rraja | thanks | 15:47 |
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| scottda | bswartz: ok | 15:47 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 22 15:47:44 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-05-22-15.02.html | 15:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-05-22-15.02.txt | 15:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-05-22-15.02.log.html | 15:47 |
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| davidlenwell | #startmeeting refstack | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 22 17:02:26 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is davidlenwell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 17:02 |
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| davidlenwell | roll call? | 17:03 |
| fcarpenter | hello | 17:03 |
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| davidlenwell | hello | 17:03 |
| davidlenwell | rob informs me he won't be joining us.. and I have not heard from catherine or rocky | 17:04 |
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| sarob | Sarob is joining | 17:05 |
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| davidlenwell | Hello sarob | 17:06 |
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| davidlenwell | I am not sure how much we actually have to talk about after the summit.. we've got a lot of new blueprints filed and most of us have our heads down trying to get in specs to go along with them. | 17:06 |
| davidlenwell | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/refstack | 17:07 |
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| sarob | I'm catching up, lurk mode for a bit | 17:10 |
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| davidlenwell | no worries sarob | 17:10 |
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| davidlenwell | did we meet at the summit? would you like to introduce yourself? | 17:10 |
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| sarob | Sarob=Sean Roberts, on defcore with rob and josh | 17:12 |
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| sarob | I'm getting my QE team involved with refstack, tempest | 17:13 |
| davidlenwell | excelent! | 17:13 |
| sarob | I spoke with Andrew IBM at piston event | 17:14 |
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| sarob | Chris | 17:14 |
| sarob | As well | 17:14 |
| davidlenwell | very cool | 17:15 |
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| sarob | QA and refstack at the same time is a conflict | 17:17 |
| rockyg | o/ | 17:17 |
| davidlenwell | yeah .. we are going to work out alternating meeting times | 17:18 |
| sarob | Cool | 17:18 |
| rockyg | yes. I'm on both at the moment | 17:18 |
| sarob | Me too :/ | 17:18 |
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| sarob | Lurking both at least | 17:18 |
| davidlenwell | between now and next week I'll communicate with them .. and update the meeting wiki about what time we'll meet on thursday | 17:19 |
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| rockyg | cool | 17:19 |
| rockyg | what's the agenda today? | 17:19 |
| davidlenwell | So not a lot .. sadly I've been in travel hell all week.. | 17:20 |
| davidlenwell | didn't get back to oakland until 1am last night | 17:20 |
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| rockyg | ouch. | 17:20 |
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| davidlenwell | I'd like to have a brief conversation about storyboard and the email thread that was going around defcore and fits the other day | 17:20 |
| rockyg | Wanted to highlight that the QA spec for getting branchless tempest to work on havana has been abandoned. We'll need to pickup whatever doesn't work for the defined defcore tests | 17:21 |
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| rockyg | Yes. storyboard. | 17:22 |
| sarob | So will me in. I missed that thread. | 17:22 |
| davidlenwell | so while I'd like to be an early adopter .. I think its going to take some more discussion before we can jump into it | 17:22 |
| rockyg | Have you looked at it yet? Or maybe provide a schedule for when we can discuss? | 17:22 |
| sarob | I'll that thread | 17:23 |
| sarob | Arrg | 17:23 |
| davidlenwell | I've been paying attention to storyboard since the begining.. | 17:23 |
| sarob | That thread | 17:23 |
| rockyg | Can you post a list of items you want the team to look at before next week's meeting? | 17:23 |
| sarob | Storyboard is not baked yet | 17:24 |
| rockyg | I can explore it. | 17:24 |
| davidlenwell | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/refstack | 17:24 |
| rockyg | Yeah. Not baked, but we can at least try and file bugs? | 17:24 |
| sarob | Great progress | 17:24 |
| davidlenwell | these blueprints are what we need to focus on | 17:24 |
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| davidlenwell | we can also file bugs in lp | 17:24 |
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| sarob | No bug support yet | 17:24 |
| rockyg | I'm working on the spec for the requirements amtrix. Should get it in today or tomorrow. | 17:24 |
| sarob | In storyboard | 17:24 |
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| davidlenwell | rob is on top of his .. says he'll have them in before our next meeting | 17:25 |
| rockyg | Turns out google finally added change tracking to docs. should help a lot, but have to try it out. | 17:25 |
| sarob | So rob is creating the refstack-spec repo? | 17:26 |
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| sarob | Or list of bugs | 17:26 |
| davidlenwell | rob is working on a spec | 17:27 |
| davidlenwell | the spec repo lives in refstack/specs | 17:27 |
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| sarob | Ah, okay | 17:27 |
| davidlenwell | a few of those blueprints are assigned to him.. | 17:27 |
| davidlenwell | one you might want to review when he does | 17:27 |
| davidlenwell | its a definition of the tools that we'll need to create for defcore | 17:27 |
| sarob | Doing that subdir in congress as well | 17:27 |
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| rockyg | I think we want a quick review of the tools that infra and QA already have, too. Might reduce our workload. | 17:28 |
| davidlenwell | there is a blueprint for that rocky | 17:29 |
| rockyg | Cool | 17:29 |
| davidlenwell | I assigned it to Catherine but I'll probably take the first pass at it | 17:29 |
| davidlenwell | she didn't seem that excited about it | 17:29 |
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| sarob | It's assigned to rob | 17:30 |
| sarob | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/refstack/+spec/define-tools-for-defcore | 17:30 |
| davidlenwell | hmm | 17:30 |
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| davidlenwell | I was reffering to this | 17:30 |
| davidlenwell | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/refstack/+spec/identify-code-that-needs-to-deprecated-or-moved-to-other-projects-or-deprecated | 17:30 |
| sarob | Pardon | 17:31 |
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| catherineD | We need to take a look at the latest featuires that Tempest offers first ... before evaluate the area for deprecate ... | 17:32 |
| catherineD | our experiemce so far is on Havana Tempest .... There are a lots more features and test cases added to the current branchless Tempest ... | 17:32 |
| davidlenwell | yeah .. im going to submit a patch later today that changes the tester to use the newer tempest | 17:33 |
| rockyg | Good. catherineD, we'll also need to look at infra tools to see what they have for analysis. | 17:34 |
| catherineD | yes that is what we need to migrate to ... using the current Tempest ... and if our target is still Havana Clouds ... I suspect we need a lot of debug time | 17:34 |
| catherineD | The question to the team is is ... are we still target on Havana Clouds? Moving to Icehouse Clouds would make our job eaiser .. | 17:35 |
| rockyg | catherineD, do you want to take over the QA spec for making branchless tempest work for havana? Lemme go find it.... | 17:35 |
| davidlenwell | we are not going to target any specific version | 17:35 |
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| catherineD | I know but testing the older versions would means that we need to analyze the failure to confirm whether the failures are due to API impatible or testing issues ... | 17:37 |
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| davidlenwell | of course | 17:37 |
| davidlenwell | but again that really falls on QA and not us to fix | 17:37 |
| davidlenwell | we can help them and contribute and file those bugs .. | 17:37 |
| davidlenwell | but that is inheriently a q/a problem | 17:38 |
| catherineD | Rocky sent out a note stating that it is upto Refstack to debug ... not QA | 17:38 |
| rockyg | Yeah, but they've abandoned the effort. | 17:38 |
| catherineD | Yes so the burden is on us ... | 17:38 |
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| davidlenwell | I'm not sure I agree | 17:38 |
| catherineD | if we are testing older clouds .. | 17:38 |
| davidlenwell | but we can work it out with them | 17:38 |
| davidlenwell | no sense in speculating | 17:39 |
| sarob | Why QA abandoned branchless? | 17:39 |
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| davidlenwell | they didn't | 17:39 |
| sarob | The summit session seemed go forward | 17:39 |
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| davidlenwell | I'm not sure what rocky is saying they did | 17:39 |
| catherineD | QA wants us to use branchless ... They just do not know whether that works well with Havaba | 17:39 |
| davidlenwell | and we'll report where we find its broken | 17:40 |
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| davidlenwell | and work with them to fix it .. but that doesn't mean the burden is on us to fix it | 17:40 |
| rockyg | they didn't abandon branchless. Just making it work for havana | 17:40 |
| catherineD | But we need to spend time to understand the broken is due to the cloud or tempest ... That would be time consuming ... | 17:40 |
| sarob | Ahh okay | 17:41 |
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| davidlenwell | so first lets update the tester to use branchless and figure out what tests don't pass | 17:41 |
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| davidlenwell | then we can dig into why | 17:42 |
| davidlenwell | moving along | 17:42 |
| davidlenwell | #topic face to face | 17:42 |
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| davidlenwell | rob sent out an email laying out his bay area schedule | 17:42 |
| davidlenwell | I'd like to have most of the specs at least filed and actively being reviewed by then | 17:43 |
| rockyg | k | 17:44 |
| davidlenwell | he begining of this cycle I want to focus on getting the specs wrapped up before we try to do any actual sprint / code planning | 17:45 |
| catherineD | +1 | 17:45 |
| davidlenwell | ends up the community is actually paying attention to our little rag tag band.. so we should get our act together | 17:45 |
| catherineD | Especially now we need to use as much code from Tempest as we can .... | 17:45 |
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| rockyg | from last topic: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/master-against-havana,n,z | 17:46 |
| rockyg | Yeah. Specs are good. Maybe we'll get more people commenting. | 17:46 |
| davidlenwell | oh rocky just because the review is abandonded doesn't mean they are giving up on the patch | 17:47 |
| davidlenwell | we should talk to them about it before making any assumptions | 17:47 |
| rockyg | Check the last comments | 17:48 |
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| rockyg | They'll fix what we find broken, though. | 17:48 |
| davidlenwell | alright .. so my applogies to everyone about the room confusion this week.. I'll workout the right schedule before next week. | 17:48 |
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| rockyg | Are we gabbing the alternate times with QA? So next week *will* be at 10am? | 17:49 |
| davidlenwell | not sure yet | 17:49 |
| davidlenwell | I'll email fits and update the wiki | 17:49 |
| rockyg | Thanks | 17:49 |
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| ewindisch | davidlenwell: make sure the ical gets updated, too | 17:49 |
| ewindisch | (that might be automatic from the wiki?) | 17:50 |
| davidlenwell | ewindisch: not sure how to update ical .. but I'll try | 17:50 |
| sarob | I think it's Thierry automatic | 17:50 |
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| sarob | Update the wiki | 17:50 |
| sarob | Ping Thierry if he misses it | 17:51 |
| sarob | He has the wiki page ping him | 17:51 |
| sarob | For changes | 17:51 |
| davidlenwell | okay | 17:51 |
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| davidlenwell | #topic general discussion | 17:51 |
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| rockyg | What specs are people working On? | 17:52 |
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| davidlenwell | the blueprints are assigned to the right people | 17:53 |
| rockyg | I'm working on req matrix | 17:53 |
| catherineD | I am working on the api-to-api spec | 17:53 |
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| catherineD | I am researching the new feature in Tempest ... | 17:53 |
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| davidlenwell | I've got dry-run, website content pass-only-uploads and upload tempest config | 17:54 |
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| rockyg | catherineD, do you still have Raymond and/or Ted working on this? | 17:55 |
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| ewindisch | I’m lurking - keeping aprised in regard to the Docker driver since we’re skirting the edges of ‘what is core’, etc. | 17:56 |
| catherineD | not at this time ... | 17:56 |
| rockyg | I talked about TCUP to the compass team and they are looking at using it for cloud validation after provisioning. | 17:57 |
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| davidlenwell | neat | 17:57 |
| rockyg | So, interest is out there and will likely grow among deployers. | 17:57 |
| davidlenwell | okay all .. thats all the time we have .. lets continue the conversation on #refstack if we need | 17:58 |
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| davidlenwell | I am going to commute to the office now .. | 17:58 |
| davidlenwell | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 22 17:58:17 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-05-22-17.02.html | 17:58 |
| rockyg | Thanks all. | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-05-22-17.02.txt | 17:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-05-22-17.02.log.html | 17:58 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sahara folks, ping | 18:00 |
| bob_nettleton | here | 18:00 |
| dmitryme | SergeyLukjanov: pong! | 18:00 |
| elmiko | yo | 18:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 22 18:00:33 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| tmckay1 | here here here | 18:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:00 |
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| sreshetnyak | hi | 18:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info me, dmitryme and aignatov are on vacations now, so, not really high activity | 18:01 |
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| tmckay | In Vegas yet? :) | 18:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, I'm returned to home tonight | 18:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | recovering from summit and additional days in ATL ;) | 18:02 |
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| elmiko | lol | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please | 18:02 |
| tmckay | I want to an indoor waterpark for 2 days | 18:02 |
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| dmitryme | tmckay: the last news from aignatov is that in the end his final balance is +18$ in roulette | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info a lot of things discussed on summit - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Juno/Etherpads#Sahara_.28ex._Savanna.29 | 18:02 |
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| bob_nettleton | working on upgrading the HDP plugin to use the latest Ambari, minor checkins to sahara-image-elements | 18:03 |
| dmitryme | I am going to speak about Sahara on Berlin Buzzwords next week | 18:03 |
| dmitryme | http://berlinbuzzwords.de/session/hadoop-openstack-cloud | 18:03 |
| bob_nettleton | I've also just discovered a bug in diskimage-builder, that is basically causing any yum-based images to fail : https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1322278 | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | bob_nettleton, please, don't forget re backward compat | 18:03 |
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| elmiko | patching the HDP plugin for disconnected mode and helping the Horizon folks with reviews. also reading up on Pecan. | 18:03 |
| tmckay | heh. updates for me: I filed a security bug to get OSSG opinions on swift authentication. Also, I'm playing with the Spark plugin | 18:03 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sounds cool | 18:04 |
| bob_nettleton | SergeyLukjanov, Hi Sergey, we're planning on supporting the existing HDP versions with the upgrade, is that the backwards compatibility you're concerned about? | 18:04 |
| alazarev | I’m restoring dev env after month of performance mesurement, make several small fixes (on review now) | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | bob_nettleton, it should work with clusters installed by prev. version of plugin, if it will, then everything is ok | 18:05 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 18:06 |
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| bob_nettleton | SergeyLukjanov, I'm not sure if that is the case. I'll have to check. Not sure if Ambari supports this. | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info DONE: aignatov prepare data for retrospective on summit | 18:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Bug triage day after summit | 18:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, the current plan is to make a bg triage day May 27 | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | (Tue next week) | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any objections? | 18:07 |
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| tmckay | no objection from me | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed Bug Triage day - May 27 | 18:07 |
| alazarev | no objections | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Design summit | 18:08 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | any comments re design summit? | 18:08 |
| mattf | bob_nettleton, that bug looks annoying. we should default to a known good dib rev and add a flag for --master that just gets the most recent (occasionally broken) tip | 18:08 |
| elmiko | i thought our sessions were pretty good, i'm curious about the api v2 changes that are coming. | 18:08 |
| elmiko | mattf: +1 to the --master flag | 18:09 |
| mattf | bob_nettleton, defensive git-clone'ing, heh | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info design summit sessions were very productive and we have a good plans for Juno and mostly all question has been discussed enough | 18:09 |
| bob_nettleton | mattf, I agree, we should gradually integrate to the latest diskimage-builder, since it seems to break every few days lately. | 18:09 |
| tellesnobrega | i have a question about how to make EDP pluggable investigation, if is there going to be a team doing this and how i can help with it | 18:09 |
| bob_nettleton | mattf, :) | 18:10 |
| tmckay | The stuff I'm currently doing is aligned with the priorities we set in the EDP session. Get something going on swift auth eval, and familiarize myself with a spark cluster on Sahara as a prelim to pluggable job design and EDP on Spark | 18:10 |
| mattf | i'd fire off some code for it, but i'm mired in hadoop summit atm | 18:10 |
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| notmyname | please let me know if I can help answer questions about swift auth integration | 18:10 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | notmyname, thanks | 18:11 |
| tmckay | tellesnobrega, just starting to think about that. I want to see how Spark jobs work, play with it from the command line before we start designing something | 18:11 |
| tmckay | Yesterday was my first day back :) | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, yup,that's the correct approach :) | 18:11 |
| tmckay | notmyname, are you an OSSG guy? | 18:11 |
| tellesnobrega | tmckay: sounds good, if you need a hand with that i'm up to it | 18:11 |
| elmiko | mattf: i can take a look into the --master flag | 18:11 |
| notmyname | tmckay: I'm the swift PTL | 18:12 |
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| tmckay | tellesnobrega, certainly. If you have ideas based on common elements between Oozie and Storm or Spark, feel free to write them up. We can start an etherpad | 18:12 |
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| tmckay | notmyname, great, thanks. I can include you on the bug. | 18:12 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | any comments re design summit? | 18:13 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | program pods | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ? | 18:13 |
| tellesnobrega | tmckay: sure, i will have to take a deeper look into oozie the next days and how it works in sahara so we can start this up | 18:13 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: summit was great ;) | 18:13 |
| tellesnobrega | +1 | 18:13 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: pods were nice, good place to unwind and get some quiet coding time | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay, if there no more questions / comments, let's move on | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'd like to discuss the | 18:14 |
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| elmiko | also, great job to all folks hosting the design sessions. from my perspective they were welcoming and productive. | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic -specs vs. lp for blueprints | 18:14 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | are you all folks know what is the %program%-specs repos for? | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | if not I can try to make a brief overview | 18:15 |
| elmiko | i'd like an overview | 18:15 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: I don’t know | 18:15 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | okay | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, let's start from the issue that it solves | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it solves the incoming features review/approval issues | 18:16 |
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| tmckay | tellesnobrega, it may actually be possible to create an oozie extension to run spark, too. We should consider that. Or maybe someone already has made one. | 18:16 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, it's a separated repo for reviewing specs for blueprints as rst docs | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | than when it's reviewed and approved related changes could be merged to the codebase | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it's needed to make blueprints more informative | 18:17 |
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| tellesnobrega | tmckay: hum, i dont know much about oozie yet, but i will pick it up this weekend so we can better discuss it and I can play along with you on spark and later with storm | 18:17 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: is this in addition to launchpad or instead of? | 18:17 |
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| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, core issue is bps are vague and terse? | 18:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, yup | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, in this case lp will be used for release notes :) | 18:18 |
| mattf | so there's going to be a repo where design docs are managed (version controlled and approved)? | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, yup | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | example - https://github.com/openstack/nova-specs | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it was started as experiment by nova in I | 18:19 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and in J all core projects starting using it | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but non-core projects are 50/50 for using it IIRC | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | for ex. troev will not use -specs in J | 18:19 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | it's mostly a question of efforts needed to write specs vs. blueprints vague description | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | that's why I'd like to discuss it with you folks | 18:20 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: if we want to add a bp we should setup a review against an addition to the -spec repo? | 18:20 |
| mattf | for the most part our bps are way too vague and terse | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, yup, and after approval of spec, bp in lp will be approved and related changes could be merged | 18:21 |
| elmiko | ok | 18:21 |
| mattf | anything that can improve our bps gets a +1 from me, maybe pilot it for J and if it works +2 for K | 18:21 |
| elmiko | i'm looking at nova-spec now, and i like how they have it structured | 18:21 |
| elmiko | +1 for trying it out | 18:22 |
| mattf | i suggest only piloting it because we don't have all the same problems of scale that nova has | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we can pilot it for some huge blueprints for ex. | 18:22 |
| alazarev | something like “plan a lot, code slow” vs “plan a little, code fast, refactor frequently”? | 18:22 |
| mattf | so if we have half out bps going through spec that'd be a good way to eval | 18:22 |
| crobertsrh | +1 for better bps....the question is, Is it the system that causes us to have poor bps, or is it us that causes us to have poor bps? | 18:22 |
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| mattf | alazarev, that's not clear to me | 18:23 |
| elmiko | crobertsrh: probably a little from column A, a little from column B.... | 18:23 |
| mattf | we might plan enough, code cast, refactor plan & code | 18:23 |
| mattf | fast* | 18:23 |
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| mattf | crobertsrh, i think it's mostly just us | 18:23 |
| jspeidel | crobertsrh, it is currently too easy to submit a bad blueprint | 18:24 |
| alazarev | mattf: the question is what is “fast enough” | 18:24 |
| crobertsrh | I'm guilty of a few terse bps. Totally my fault. I would have tried to "game" any system, I suspect. :( | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it's mostly about describing your plans for bp to be able to discuss architecture (for ex.) before actual implementation | 18:24 |
| mattf | if we're so bad that we need the system to help, ok, but that's too bad | 18:24 |
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| mattf | i'm guilty of overly detailed bps that are bigger than folks want to fit into their heads to eval | 18:24 |
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| bob_nettleton | mattf, agreed. if we end up approving vague and terse specs, then the only thing accomplished is that we've moved the blueprints to version control. | 18:25 |
| tmckay | +1 on better specs, if we all used the "spec" link feature on the current blueprints we'd be better off | 18:25 |
| elmiko | i like that the nova-spec repo has a template bp that is pretty well defined | 18:25 |
| crobertsrh | Yeah, I like the template idea that they have | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, sounds like all are +1 for trying -specs process for the huge blueprints to improve overall blueprints descriptions | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | am I correct? | 18:26 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: +1 on +1 | 18:26 |
| crobertsrh | +1. We should have our own template for such specs. | 18:26 |
| elmiko | yea, definitely need a template | 18:26 |
| alazarev | +1 | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, sure, it's just a technical q. | 18:26 |
| crobertsrh | If you leave part of a spec blank, it probably needs a brief explanation for why it's blank....thus leaving it not blank anymore. No blank sections. | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Juno-1 will be june 12, so, I think we could start using it from Juno-2 | 18:27 |
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| tmckay | +1, I'm up for trying a process improvement. If it's awful, we can do something else | 18:27 |
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| mattf | everyone is going to have to make a conscious effort, else no tool/system/process will really help | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, many projects starting working on it and using it, so, I think the process will be good improved in Juno | 18:28 |
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| tmckay | okey doke | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, one more issue with lp - it's really difficult to discuss and track specs in lp | 18:29 |
| mattf | that's for sure | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and you can just subscribe on the specs repo to track incoming features | 18:29 |
| mattf | gerrit isn't much better tho | 18:29 |
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| elmiko | if we end up liking the -spec approach, we'll probably need to modify some of our docs | 18:29 |
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| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, are -specs managed by gerrit or github pull request? | 18:30 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, gerrit, github is just only one of the mirrors | 18:30 |
| * mattf sees gerrit committing to nova-specs | 18:30 | |
| mattf | how do you subscribe to a repo to track incoming features? | 18:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, subscribe in gerrit to receive emails about new CRs in -specs repo | 18:31 |
| mattf | ahh, k | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, so, agreed, that we need to try -specs approach for example on several blueprints and then decide how it works for us | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | probably it'll be so complex and awful that we all start writing good blueprints ;) | 18:32 |
| elmiko | lol | 18:32 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed to make a pilot of -specs for several blueprints and then decide how it works for us | 18:32 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, is there still a plan to move off lp? | 18:32 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, yup, storyboard is in progress | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | storyboard.openstack.org | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | several infra projects are already on it | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | storyboard plans for MVP / Juno - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-infra-storyboard | 18:33 |
| mattf | gotcha | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #action SergeyLukjanov to prepare -specs infra for pilot | 18:34 |
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| alazarev | do we have plans to move to storyboard? | 18:34 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, sure, when it'll be ready | 18:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, you can read an etherpad for details | 18:35 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | any major topics to discuss on today's meeting? | 18:35 |
| mattf | none here | 18:36 |
| tmckay | what is "MVP" ? | 18:36 |
| mattf | minimum viable product (usually) | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, exactly | 18:36 |
| tmckay | sounds military | 18:36 |
| mattf | it's all agile and stuff | 18:36 |
| mattf | lean and startup-y | 18:36 |
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| tmckay | lol | 18:36 |
| tmckay | It has a pulse, ship it | 18:36 |
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| mattf | often credited to "the lean startup" iirc | 18:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, and it's funny that it's "most valuable player" in sports | 18:37 |
| mattf | sometimes "it's a web form, ship it" | 18:37 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, yeah, that threw me off | 18:37 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, yup, the bonus is that lp doesn't provide many features :) | 18:38 |
| mattf | and we seem to use fewer and fewer of them | 18:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, yup, because it works bad for us :( | 18:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 18:39 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | probably we should discuss thing that bob_nettleton is working on | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | (ambari update) | 18:40 |
| bob_nettleton | ok | 18:40 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | we agreed that we should released plugin versions working for the next release | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev could describe it in details | 18:41 |
| bob_nettleton | SergeyLukjanov, not sure I understand what the issue is. | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | bob_nettleton, are you adding new version of hdp plugin? | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | could you please describe more detailed what are working on? | 18:42 |
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| bob_nettleton | SergeyLukjanov, yes, I'm upgrading the HDP plugin to use a newer version of Ambari, in order to support later versions of HDP (past 2.0.6) | 18:42 |
| alazarev | once hadoop version is suported in released Sahara - we can’t just remove it | 18:43 |
| bob_nettleton | SergeyLukjanov, we're planning on continuing to support the versions of HDP already supported by the plugin (1.3.2, 2.0.6) | 18:43 |
| jspeidel | SergeyLukjanov, we agreed that a specific version of a plugin would continue to support any stack version previously supported | 18:43 |
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| alazarev | new version of plugin need to be created with updated components | 18:43 |
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| bob_nettleton | alazarev, we're not removing support for the older versions of HDP. | 18:44 |
| jspeidel | not that future versions of a plugin would continue to support all previously supported stacks | 18:44 |
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| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, this compatibility feature we want to add, sounds like a good candidate for a sahara-specs | 18:44 |
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| jspeidel | but that being said, the work that Bob is doing wouldn't remove support for any previously supported stacks | 18:45 |
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| mattf | there was a lot of discussion on what our compatibility statement is as a project - afaik it's not written down in a form that a user can easily consume | 18:46 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, good idea | 18:47 |
| tmckay | +1 | 18:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info backward compat could be used for -specs pilot | 18:47 |
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| alazarev | +1 | 18:48 |
| tellesnobrega | +1 | 18:48 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | anything else to chat about today? | 18:50 |
| tmckay | not from me | 18:51 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | okay | 18:53 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | thank you all folks | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 18:53 |
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