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| dhellmann | who's around for the oslo meeting? | 15:59 |
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| beekneemech | o/ | 15:59 |
| viktors | o/ | 15:59 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:00 |
| jecarey | o/ | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| jd__ | o/ | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri May 30 16:00:18 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| wendar | o/ | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo | 16:00 |
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| bknudson | hi | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | #topic Review action items from previous meeting | 16:00 |
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| dhellmann | #info rebased wheel publishing change, close to approval | 16:01 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56760/ | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | we're waiting for a time when the infra team can watch that as it goes in | 16:01 |
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| gcb | o/ | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | after it's done, we'll be ready to test publishing alpha releases, and I'll probably do that with oslo.i18n, since that shouldn't break anyone | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | * mkoderer add a doc patch for oslotest warning about mocking time.time | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | I didn't notice that come in, but maybe I missed it? | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann suggest boris-42 send email about having oslo adopt osprofiler | 16:02 |
| beekneemech | dhellmann: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95411/ | 16:02 |
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| dhellmann | I didn’t get to talk to boris-42 | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | beekneemech: thanks! | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | ah, I was looking in the incubator, heh | 16:03 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 16:03 |
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| dhellmann | #info added oslo-specs to the review links section of the wiki | 16:03 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo#Review_Links | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | I think that's it for old business | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | #topic Red flags from liaisons | 16:04 |
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| dhellmann | do we have any new issues this week? | 16:04 |
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| dhellmann | going once | 16:05 |
| rpodolyaka | is this topic for 'please review important patches'? :) | 16:05 |
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| dhellmann | rpodolyaka: no, this is where our liaisons tell us we've made their life hard in some way :-) | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | rpodolyaka: we'll get to priorities toward the end of the agenda | 16:06 |
| rpodolyaka | got it | 16:06 |
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| dhellmann | ok, it sounds like nothing new this week, so let's move on | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | #topic oslotest adoption status | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslotest adoption status (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:06 | |
| dhellmann | how are we doing with integrating oslotest into the projects? | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | has anyone *not* started this? | 16:07 |
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| dhellmann | liaisons? | 16:08 |
| bknudson | keystone is using it | 16:08 |
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| dhellmann | #action dhellmann prod liaisons on oslotest adoption | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | thanks, bknudson :-) | 16:09 |
| gcb | dhellmann: oslotest should be listed in requirements.txt or test-requirments.txt ? | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | gcb: usually test-requirementst.txt, since it is only used for testing | 16:09 |
| bknudson | Keystone is still using the config fixture that was in oslo-incubator fixtures... need to switch to the one in oslo.config (if it's in a release) | 16:09 |
| gcb | there is a review about this : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96720/ | 16:09 |
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| viktors | gcb: we need oslotest for database migration testing | 16:10 |
| gcb | I saw nova use it in reuirements.txt | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: that's a good example of something we can use your help tracking in these status updates | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | gcb: ok, that's probably not right and we should work with nova and jogo to fix that | 16:10 |
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| gcb | viktors: so we need also keep it in requirements.txt ,right ? | 16:11 |
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| viktors | gcb: I think, "yes" - only for incubator and oslo.db | 16:11 |
| bknudson | another "status update" -- python-keystoneclient is now up-to-date with oslo-incubator -- did a full sync | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | viktors: no, we shouldn't list oslotest in the runtime requirements for oslo.db if we can avoid it | 16:12 |
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| dhellmann | bknudson: excellent! | 16:12 |
| rpodolyaka | gcb: right. we have base test cases for migration tests that are subclasses of oslotest BaseTestCase | 16:12 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, bknudson is awesome like that | 16:12 |
| bknudson | looks like it also uses module=fixture.config -- so that should be able to use from oslo.config | 16:12 |
| viktors | dhellmann: but DB migration tests that are related to oslotest BaseTestCase | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | viktors: those are *tests* though, right? | 16:12 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: I'm getting help from dstanek and steve martinelli. | 16:13 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, ack. | 16:13 |
| rpodolyaka | dhellmann: they are more like 'production' code than tests, as they are reused by projects | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | rpodolyaka: when do they run? | 16:13 |
| rpodolyaka | dhellmann: so we can't put them to tests/ dir | 16:13 |
| viktors | dhellmann: yes, but it's the part of common code - https://github.com/openstack/oslo.db/blob/master/oslo/db/sqlalchemy/test_migrations.py | 16:13 |
| beekneemech | But they should only be run as part of the unit tests in the consuming projects, right? | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | it doesn't matter where they live, it matters where they run | 16:13 |
| rpodolyaka | beekneemech: right | 16:14 |
| viktors | beekneemech: yes | 16:14 |
| beekneemech | If someone's calling that code at runtime they're doing it wrong. :-) | 16:14 |
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| dhellmann | if they run during deployment, then oslotest should be in requirements.txt but if they only run during unit tests then oslotest should be in test-requirements.txt | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | make sense? | 16:14 |
| viktors | dhellmann: agreed | 16:14 |
| rpodolyaka | yes | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | viktors: ok, good | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | viktors, rpodolyaka : when the current blocking patches land, let's plan a brief pause for review before making the first oslo.db release | 16:15 |
| gcb | ok, that's clear, it should be removed from requirements.txt | 16:15 |
| beekneemech | gcb: That's my preference | 16:15 |
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| beekneemech | If only to avoid confusion when people start using libs. | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | here's what I see for current uses of oslotest: | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | $ grep oslotest openstack/*/test-requirements.txt | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | openstack/heat/test-requirements.txt:oslotest | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | openstack/keystone/test-requirements.txt:oslotest | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | openstack/oslo.config/test-requirements.txt:oslotest | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | openstack/oslo.db-importing/test-requirements.txt:oslotest | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | openstack/oslo.db/test-requirements.txt:oslotest | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | openstack/oslo.i18n/test-requirements.txt:oslotest | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | openstack/oslo.messaging/test-requirements.txt:oslotest | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | openstack/tempest/test-requirements.txt:oslotest | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | openstack/tripleo-image-elements/test-requirements.txt:oslotest | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | beekneemech, gcb: right | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | that oslo.db-importing is a copy of the repo before it was imported into our git system, so ignore that | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | #topic oslo.messaging adoption status | 16:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslo.messaging adoption status (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:17 | |
| dhellmann | how is this one going? any roadblocks? | 16:17 |
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| dhellmann | $ grep oslo.messaging openstack/*/*requirements.txt | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | openstack/barbican/requirements.txt:oslo.messaging>=1.3.0a4 | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | openstack/ceilometer/requirements.txt:oslo.messaging>=1.3.0 | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | openstack/cinder/requirements.txt:oslo.messaging>=1.3.0 | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | openstack/glance/requirements.txt:oslo.messaging>=1.3.0 | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | openstack/ironic/requirements.txt:oslo.messaging>=1.3.0 | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | openstack/keystone/requirements.txt:oslo.messaging>=1.3.0 | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | openstack/nova/requirements.txt:oslo.messaging>=1.3.0 | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | openstack/pycadf/requirements.txt:oslo.messaging>=1.3.0 | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | openstack/requirements/global-requirements.txt:oslo.messaging>=1.3.0 | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | openstack/sahara/requirements.txt:oslo.messaging>=1.3.0 | 16:18 |
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| dhellmann | we know neutron is still being worked on | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | heat as well | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | are the neutron or heat liaisons here? | 16:20 |
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| dhellmann | therve is heat and salv-orlando is neutron | 16:21 |
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| dhellmann | ok, I'll talk to them separately | 16:21 |
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| dhellmann | #topic oslo.db graduation status | 16:22 |
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| dhellmann | rpodolyaka, viktors: do you want to make a report? | 16:22 |
| rpodolyaka | dhellmann: ok | 16:22 |
| rpodolyaka | so we've been working on making the first release of oslo.db | 16:22 |
| rpodolyaka | there is few issue left | 16:22 |
| rpodolyaka | we need you reviews :) | 16:23 |
| viktors | we have to fix config usage due to markmc's comments. See https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94552/ (Fix usage of oslo.config) | 16:23 |
| rpodolyaka | *r | 16:23 |
| rpodolyaka | tpool spec: https://review.openstack.org/96468 | 16:23 |
| rpodolyaka | tpool patch: https://review.openstack.org/96467 | 16:23 |
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| viktors | tpool blueprint :) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/add-tpool-proxy-wrapper | 16:24 |
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| rpodolyaka | when those are merged, I think, we'll be ready for a pre-release | 16:24 |
| bknudson | viktors: is oslo-incubator facade going to change to use the new factory arguments? | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | rpodolyaka: do we need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94593/ (slave database connections in EngineFacade) as well? | 16:25 |
| viktors | bknudson: I suppose, yes | 16:25 |
| rpodolyaka | dhellmann: yeah, completely forgot about this one :( | 16:25 |
| viktors | bknudson: what change do you mean? | 16:25 |
| bknudson | viktors: def from_config(cls, connection_string, conf, -> def from_config(cls, conf, | 16:26 |
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| dhellmann | rpodolyaka: how about if we start an etherpad to track them? | 16:26 |
| bknudson | the connection_string argument is removed | 16:26 |
| rpodolyaka | dhellmann: ack, I'll take an action item | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | #action rpodolyaka create etherpad to track oslo.db graduation status | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: which version of that function is in the incubator and which is in oslo.db? | 16:27 |
| viktors | bknudson: yes, we are mada some changes in the oslo.config usage | 16:27 |
| viktors | *made | 16:27 |
| rpodolyaka | so yeah, APIs are still being polished, but we don't expect any big changes | 16:27 |
| bknudson | dhellmann: incubator has connection_string argument. Keystone is using it | 16:27 |
| rpodolyaka | if you have recent oslo-incubator code in your project, should not be a problem | 16:28 |
| bknudson | it would be an easier switch to oslo.db if the args were the same as the incubator version. | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: so you have a separate configuration option that you pass to open a connection? | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | yes, I'd like to understand why they are different | 16:28 |
| bknudson | dhellmann: right, it passes the connection string. Which is in the conf anyways. | 16:28 |
| rpodolyaka | bknudson: this particular change you are talking about is needed to fix usage of config in oslo.db | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | viktors, rpodolyaka : is that part of the patch you linked above? | 16:28 |
| rpodolyaka | dhellmann: yep, the first patch | 16:28 |
| viktors | dhellmann: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94552/ | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | ok, so the thing markmc was saying was we should hide the config options that oslo.db defines from the applications that use it, but that doesn't mean we should prevent them from doing something using their own configuration options | 16:29 |
| rpodolyaka | bknudson: viktors and I are ready to help with adoption of oslo.db | 16:29 |
| bknudson | keystone does _engine_facade = db_session.EngineFacade.from_config(CONF.database.connection, CONF) | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | so if a project wants to connect to multiple databases, for example, we need to allow them to pass a separate URL | 16:30 |
| bknudson | so I guess it just changes to _engine_facade = db_session.EngineFacade.from_config(CONF) | 16:30 |
| rpodolyaka | bknudson: right | 16:30 |
| viktors | bknudson: correct | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | in this case, it seems like keystone is passing redundant info, but that may not always be the case | 16:30 |
| beekneemech | dhellmann: Then I think they would need to use the kwargs constructor instead of the conf-based one. | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | beekneemech: true | 16:30 |
| bknudson | there was a concept of a "slave" connection, which keystone never used. | 16:30 |
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| dhellmann | bknudson: does the new API force you to consider that feature? | 16:31 |
| * dhellmann admits he hasn't had a chance to look at oslo.db since before the summit | 16:31 | |
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| bknudson | dhellmann: no, keystone has and had no use for the 2nd connection | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: ok, as long as we haven't changed something to make it hard for you to ignore it, I think we're ok | 16:32 |
| bknudson | this isn't a concern for me as far as functionality | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | ok | 16:32 |
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| bknudson | I just thought the transition would be a drop-in and not require other changes. | 16:33 |
| rpodolyaka | bknudson: sorry :( | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: we're trying for that in as many cases as possible, but it isn't always going to work out | 16:33 |
| bknudson | no problem. we need to get the interface right | 16:33 |
| beekneemech | +1 | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | right | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | is there anything else on oslo.db? | 16:34 |
| rpodolyaka | yeah | 16:34 |
| rpodolyaka | you might have noticed an ML thread on releases | 16:34 |
| bknudson | but it was also a question of what gets backported and should I expect it in an oslo sync. | 16:34 |
| rpodolyaka | so I've been wondering what version we should start from | 16:34 |
| rpodolyaka | should we do 1.0.0 as the first release? | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: good point -- we're trying to leave the incubated versions of things alone once we start graduation | 16:35 |
| rpodolyaka | make a pre-release? | 16:35 |
| bknudson | dhellmann: works for me. | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | rpodolyaka: we should not release 1.0 until the *end* of juno | 16:35 |
| rpodolyaka | or go forwared with 0.x.y versioning? | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | I want to experiment with the alpha releases before we pick version numbers | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | if it works, we can release 1.0.0a1 but if we run into trouble we can make it 0.1 as originally planned | 16:36 |
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| beekneemech | Maybe 1.0 happens after we have a successful adoption and know that the interface works? | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | that may make sense, too | 16:36 |
| rpodolyaka | +1 | 16:36 |
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| bknudson | do you expect projects to use alpha release, or wait fo r1.0? | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | we expect projects to go ahead and use the alpha, because it will turn into a non-alpha at the end of the release cycle | 16:37 |
| bknudson | ok | 16:37 |
| I159 | at least to try how projects work with lib | 16:37 |
| viktors | dhellmann: so when can we tag alpha release in oslo.db? | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | that's not really any different than the incubation process, and gives us a chance to test a package without breaking stable installations | 16:38 |
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| rpodolyaka | viktors: I suppose right after we merge all the stuff on the ehterpad I'm going to create? | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | viktors: you have 4 patches to land, and then I want to take some time to look at things because I haven't been able to do that yet | 16:38 |
| rpodolyaka | cool | 16:38 |
| viktors | dhellmann: got it | 16:38 |
| bknudson | so it's alpha as far as the interface but not functionality | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | it sounds like markmc's comments on the API were the only serious issues, but as I'm the one who will be yelled at, I'd like to take a day or two to read some code :-) | 16:39 |
| bknudson | i.e., it doesn't turn keystone into an alpha | 16:39 |
| rpodolyaka | dhellmann: the more eyes we have, the more issues we'll fix before the release ;) | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: well, the plan is to mark it as alpha so that stable installations and people doing CD won't use it, but development versions can use it | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | rpodolyaka: +1 :-) | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | ok, let's move on, 2 more topics this week | 16:40 |
| dhellmann | #topic oslo.i18n graduation status | 16:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslo.i18n graduation status (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:40 | |
| dhellmann | #info 1 change to land before we can prepare the first release | 16:40 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/92682 | 16:40 |
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| dhellmann | there are a few other patches up, but nothing critical | 16:40 |
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| dhellmann | oh, hang on, I still need to fix another issue, so there's going to be one more patch :-/ | 16:40 |
| dhellmann | I forgot about the global USE_LAZY issue | 16:41 |
| beekneemech | I think I left a comment about that on the graduation spec. | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | as mentioned earlier, the log translation job is working (thanks to Andreas) | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | beekneemech: ok, thanks, I'll take a look | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | #topic priorities for this week | 16:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "priorities for this week (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:42 | |
| dhellmann | #info filing specs!! | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | we need to have specs for all juno blueprints filed ASAP | 16:43 |
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| dhellmann | I've already asked for an extension, since we started our specs repo later that the other projects | 16:43 |
| morganfainberg | I'll get the cache one up today then [so it can be reviewed] | 16:43 |
| dhellmann | I've seen some more come in in the past day or two, but there are a few for graduating libraries that don't have specs yet | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | I found it a very good exercise to go through for oslo.i18n, figuring out which files were included and what changes need to be made | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | I think next week any blueprints that don't have specs will be delisted from juno, for now | 16:44 |
| beekneemech | Deadlines are good. :-) | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | we can bring them back in later, of course, but I'd like to avoid moving them back and forth if possible | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | beekneemech: EOD US/Eastern on Monday? | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | that would ensure they are there before ttx looks during our 1:1 on tuesday | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | are there any questions about the specs? | 16:46 |
| beekneemech | dhellmann: I'll shoot for that then. | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | beekneemech: thanks! | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | #info reviewing specs | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | the other priority right now should be reviewing the specs that are written | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | I've seen some good feedback, so thank you and keep that up! | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/oslo-specs+status:open,n,z | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | is everyone clear on the process for working with the specs? | 16:48 |
| * beekneemech nods | 16:49 | |
| gcb | I just -1 for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96718/, should we mention the deadline somewhere, then others know it. | 16:49 |
| dhellmann | gcb: that's a good point, I'll send email to the -dev list | 16:50 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann announce spec deadline on -dev ML | 16:50 |
| dhellmann | that's everything I have on the official agenda for this week | 16:50 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 16:50 |
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| dhellmann | does anyone have anything they would like to bring up? | 16:50 |
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| gcb | I have a patch need review | 16:51 |
| dhellmann | have a link? | 16:51 |
| gcb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76901/ | 16:51 |
| bknudson | so, just checking, is there an oslo.config version that has the fixture? | 16:51 |
| bknudson | "version" -> "release" | 16:52 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: I don't believe so. I've been holding off on releases until we sort out publishing alphas. | 16:52 |
| bknudson | ok, no prob | 16:52 |
| beekneemech | gcb: So that's on my list, but I've been focused on specs and lib-blocking changes. | 16:53 |
| gcb | thanks, that's OK :) | 16:53 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: that will probably be 1.3.0a1 | 16:53 |
| viktors | beekneemech: so I'll ping you next week :) | 16:53 |
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| dhellmann | gcb: yes, I've put off looking at fixes like that to get my specs written, too, but I'll be coming back to do more reviews next week | 16:54 |
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| beekneemech | viktors: Not until after EOD Monday. ;-) | 16:54 |
| viktors | beekneemech: ok :) | 16:55 |
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| dhellmann | gcb: does that change require a project to list every module they copy in their openstack-common.conf? | 16:55 |
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| gcb | dhellmann: no , just use directly, not include ones used by oslo itself. | 16:56 |
| dhellmann | gcb: ah, ok | 16:56 |
| dhellmann | I'll take a closer look at it next week | 16:56 |
| dhellmann | it seems like that's all, so I think we can stop a little early again this week | 16:57 |
| gcb | thanks, we have lots of reviews until now :) | 16:57 |
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| dhellmann | thanks everyone! | 16:58 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Zuul is offline due to an operational issue; ETA 2200 UTC." | 16:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri May 30 16:58:09 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-05-30-16.00.html | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-05-30-16.00.txt | 16:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-05-30-16.00.log.html | 16:58 |
| rpodolyaka | thanks all! | 16:58 |
| viktors | bye | 16:58 |
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