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| dhellmann | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jun 6 16:00:07 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
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| dhellmann | who's around for the oslo meeting? | 16:00 |
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| markmc | hey | 16:00 |
| viktors | hi | 16:00 |
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| dhellmann | our agenda: | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | beekneemech, dims, flaper87|afk ? | 16:01 |
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| bknudson | hi | 16:01 |
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| morganfainberg | dhellmann, o/ | 16:01 |
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| dhellmann | let's go ahead and start with old business | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #topic Review action items from previous meeting | 16:02 |
| beekneemech | o/ | 16:02 |
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| dhellmann | #info the wheel publishing change is merged, and some kinks are being worked out | 16:02 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | with the current gate issues I’m not sure infra has time to help test, though we're going to try today | 16:02 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja_away, if you want to test that taskflow release again go for it :-) | 16:02 |
| sileht | o/ | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | mkoderer - add a doc patch for oslotest warning about mocking time.time | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | mkoderer: any update on that? | 16:03 |
| markmc | nice work on the wheel publishing dhellmann | 16:03 |
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| beekneemech | I seem to recall seeing the doc change. Let me see if I can find it. | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | the infra team did a lot of the work, I just pushed it the last step or so | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | beekneemech: ok, thanks | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | #info dhellmann talked with boris-42 about sending email about having oslo adopt osprofiler | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | I think boris-42 has been busy, but he does intend to do that so I'm going to stop tracking it | 16:04 |
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| dhellmann | #info updated the review links section of the wiki based on sdague’s new dashboard creation tool | 16:04 |
| jd__ | o/ | 16:04 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann sorry=) | 16:04 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://github.com/sdague/gerrit-dash-creator | 16:04 |
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| dhellmann | boris-42: no worries :-) | 16:04 |
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| boris-42 | dhellmann I think probably it is better to start from stack forge & global requirements | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | I copied the dashboard sdague created as an example, so if you think we need other queries please feel free to bring them up | 16:05 |
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| dhellmann | boris-42: ok, that makes sense | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | I think that's it from last week | 16:05 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann after it will be ready & stable we can move it to the oslo | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | boris-42: that sounds like a good approach | 16:05 |
| beekneemech | time.time mocking patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95411/ | 16:05 |
| beekneemech | dhellmann: dashboard +1! | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | beekneemech: thanks! | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | oh, look, I even reviewed that once | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | #topic Red flags from liaisons | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:06 | |
| beekneemech | And strangely, I didn't. Even though I distinctly remember looking at it. :-) | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | does anyone have any issues to raise this week? | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | beekneemech: I'm not sure which is worse, remembering and not reviewing or the other way around | 16:07 |
| bknudson | no red flags here, but no visible progress either. | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | could I have the liaisons present say "nothing for $project" in this section, so I know we're getting feedback? | 16:08 |
| bknudson | (keystone) | 16:08 |
| jogo | made a little progress with syncing this week | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: ok, thanks -- this week has been slow with the gate issues | 16:08 |
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| dhellmann | jogo: good! | 16:08 |
| jogo | (nova) fianlly got the new policy code synced | 16:08 |
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| jogo | finally*. also been blocked by gate | 16:09 |
| bknudson | I'll try a sync again today to see if anything's changed. | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | jogo: did you run into anything that we need to be aware of as we think about graduation for the policy code? | 16:09 |
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| bknudson | if morganfainberg doesn't beat me to it | 16:09 |
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| dhellmann | anyone else, before we move on? | 16:10 |
| jogo | dhellmann: not yet, sync landed afew days agao. | 16:10 |
| jogo | dhellmann: so no | 16:10 |
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| dhellmann | jogo: ok, good | 16:10 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, heh. | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | policy probably won't graduate until K, but it's always good to be looking ahead | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | let's keep going | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | #topic Blueprint approval process | 16:11 |
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| dhellmann | beekneemech, this was your topic | 16:11 |
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| beekneemech | Yeah, so we talked about this briefly in #openstack-oslo this week, and the conclusion was we should discuss it at the meeting with more people present. | 16:12 |
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| * beekneemech finds the meeting agenda | 16:12 | |
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| dhellmann | we might not have quorum for the core team, but let's talk about it and then move the decision to the mailing list | 16:13 |
| beekneemech | Some options that were discussed, in no particular order: | 16:13 |
| beekneemech | 2 +2's | 16:13 |
| beekneemech | 3 +2's | 16:13 |
| beekneemech | $ALL_OF_CORE +2's (!) | 16:13 |
| beekneemech | Only dhellmann can +A | 16:13 |
| beekneemech | Like governance - no -2 at all, only ttx has +2 | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | in that last one, I think sub "oslo-ptl" for "ttx" in our case | 16:13 |
| beekneemech | I guess the last two would be kind of the same thing. | 16:14 |
| beekneemech | Yeah | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | the difference is the lack of the -2 for cores, to avoid vetos | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | I don't think that's really an issue, but it was a variation so I thought I'd bring it up | 16:14 |
| beekneemech | Ah, true. | 16:14 |
| markmc | so only oslo-core could +2/-2 ? | 16:14 |
| markmc | sorry | 16:14 |
| markmc | so only oslo-core could +1/-1 ? | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | right | 16:14 |
| markmc | in the last option | 16:14 |
| markmc | reckon veto is valid for oslo-core | 16:15 |
| markmc | not valid for any one person on the TC though | 16:15 |
| markmc | that's the difference | 16:15 |
| markmc | given oslo-core can -2 the patch ... :) | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | well, that's a good point :-) | 16:15 |
| beekneemech | True :-) | 16:15 |
| markmc | I like "dhellmann can +A" | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | I was having trouble coming up with an example where a veto on a blueprint was the right way to go | 16:16 |
| beekneemech | "Ungraduate oslo.messaging" ;-) | 16:16 |
| markmc | "make an incompatible change to oslo.config API" | 16:16 |
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| dhellmann | I like the "ptl approves" model, too. We work on consensus well enough that I don't think we need to codify it in the gerrit ACLs. | 16:17 |
| beekneemech | I don't have a problem with that, as long as it's not going to be excessive work for you. | 16:18 |
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| dhellmann | I review the bp list once a week with ttx anyway, so I can approve them then when it looks like we have consensus. | 16:18 |
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| dhellmann | just to be clear, that doesn't mean you all are off the hook for doing reviews :-) | 16:19 |
| beekneemech | Heh | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | I think I'll want at least 2 +2s and no -1s. More is better. | 16:19 |
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| dhellmann | our active reviewer list is fairly small, though | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | we need some recruiting slogans | 16:20 |
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| dhellmann | do we need to take this to the ML, or should we just go ahead with that plan and revisit if someone complains? | 16:21 |
| * beekneemech is not good at marketing | 16:21 | |
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| dhellmann | "Oslo, we incubate more code before 9:00 AM than most people do all day." | 16:21 |
| * rpodolyaka likes that one | 16:22 | |
| beekneemech | We'll need something on the ML to announce it, so maybe say that this is the plan and if nobody objects we'll go with it. | 16:22 |
| rpodolyaka | +1 | 16:22 |
| * dhellmann saw a lot of US army recruiting commercials watching cartoons in his youth | 16:22 | |
| dhellmann | beekneemech: can you do that? | 16:22 |
| beekneemech | dhellmann: Sure | 16:22 |
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| dhellmann | #action beekneemech send email to openstack-dev with oslo spec approval policy | 16:23 |
| viktors | dhellmann: so we are keep the old policy for now? | 16:23 |
| beekneemech | Oh look, my calendar just decided to remind me of the oslo meeting. How helpful. | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | #agreed oslo-specs approvals are left up to the PTL, after consensus is reached, with an option to delegate to the lead maintainer for each library | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | viktors: well, we didn't have an old policy, really | 16:24 |
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| viktors | dhellmann: got it :) | 16:24 |
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| dhellmann | ok, speaking of specs: | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | #topic Blueprint priorities | 16:24 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/juno | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/juno | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | We need to set the priorities and milestones for all of the blueprints for juno by EOD Monday, 9 June | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | please look over the blueprints we already have listed and make sure none are missing | 16:25 |
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| dhellmann | I did remove some for specs that weren't written yet, so if that applies to one of yours go ahead and retarget it when you write the spec | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | also please look at the priorities and let me know if you see anything out of whack | 16:26 |
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| beekneemech | oslo.log is a dep for a lot of other libs, should that be higher? | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | I think ttx is working on a script to sync the specs and blueprints lists, but I don't know how smart it is so I'm trying to keep it up to date by hand for now | 16:26 |
| beekneemech | Or are we planning to keep using incubator log until it graduates? | 16:26 |
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| dhellmann | that's a good question | 16:27 |
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| dhellmann | looking at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/graduate-oslo-log, I see the things it depends on having high priorities and the things that depend on it being out of scope, except the middleware library we talked about but for which we don't have a spec yet | 16:28 |
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| dhellmann | a "high" priority item is a strong commitment to finish, so if you're comfortable with that I can change it | 16:29 |
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| dhellmann | I guess I was being a little conservative with the commitment, until we saw how the first couple of smaller libs went | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | esp. because there are several API changes in oslo.log | 16:30 |
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| beekneemech | Yeah, I guess so. A lot of high priorities, but hopefully we've got enough people signed up to work on them that we can do it. | 16:30 |
| beekneemech | It's definitely not a trivial graduation. | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | right | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | we can adjust as we go along, too | 16:31 |
| beekneemech | I guess the big question is: are we going to block the other libs on oslo.log, or just have them keep syncing incubator log. | 16:31 |
| bknudson | so is the plan something like -- make oslo.log a lib, then change oslo-incubator to use oslo.log? | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | do we have any libs for juno that depend on oslo.log other than oslo.db? | 16:32 |
| beekneemech | If the former then I think it's high, but if the latter we can leave it medium. | 16:32 |
| bknudson | or does the api change make that not work? | 16:32 |
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| beekneemech | excutils does logging. I'm pretty sure oslo.concurrency does too. | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: we could do that. The API change planned will make the log library a "log configuration" library that an app uses, and other libraries can ignore. | 16:32 |
| rpodolyaka | actually, oslo.db doesn't depend on oslo.log | 16:33 |
| beekneemech | So that's two planned for this cycle that need some sort of logging. | 16:33 |
| rpodolyaka | we use python logging module | 16:33 |
| beekneemech | Although maybe all the libs should do that.^ | 16:33 |
| rpodolyaka | probably yes | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that's the direction we want to go, the question is whether the incubator version gives us everything we need to make it work | 16:34 |
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| beekneemech | My thought is that we'd stop using either oslo.log or incubator as part of the graduation. Just use stdlib logging. | 16:35 |
| markmc | I can't remember exactly why, but I know I concluded oslo.messaging didn't need to use openstack.common.log | 16:35 |
| markmc | just python logging | 16:35 |
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| rpodolyaka | right. It probably only makes sense to consuming projects to use oslo.log, as they actually *configure* logging, not libs | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | I think the thing we might lose is having context details in the log messages, but that should only be in cases where the ContextAdapter is used but the ContextFormatter is not | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | right | 16:35 |
| beekneemech | Once remove-context-adapter is done all the third-party libs will be getting the oslo logging stuff for "free". | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | that's right, so maybe that one needs to be high priority | 16:36 |
| markmc | dhellman, sorry, I gotta run - so I'll just dump oslo.messaging adoption status here | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | markmc: ok, thanks | 16:36 |
| markmc | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/oslo-messaging,n,z | 16:36 |
| markmc | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/heat+branch:master+topic:bp/oslo-messaging,n,z | 16:36 |
| markmc | that's neutron and heat | 16:36 |
| markmc | some progress on neutron - ihar has split up the patches - but not so much on heat | 16:37 |
| markmc | don't think there's anyone working on it for trove yet | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | :-/ | 16:37 |
| markmc | yeah, ok ... later | 16:37 |
| markmc | thanks | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | thanks, markmc | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | ok, I changed https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/remove-context-adapter to have high priority | 16:38 |
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| dhellmann | we have a few more topics, so look over the rest of the list and bring up changes in #openstack-oslo or on the ML | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | #topic oslotest adoption status | 16:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslotest adoption status (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:38 | |
| beekneemech | Sounds good. Maybe we should add a step to the graduation checklist to use stdlib logging. | 16:38 |
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| dhellmann | we have one more review to update oslo-incubator to use our own library | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/87727 | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | beekneemech: that's a good idea, will you do that? | 16:39 |
| beekneemech | dhellmann: Sure. | 16:39 |
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| dhellmann | #action beekneemech update the graduation checklist to include a step to remove use of oslo logging in favor of stdlib logging | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | ok, so please go review that change so we can say we're at least using our own libraries :-) | 16:40 |
| rpodolyaka | :) | 16:40 |
| dhellmann | #topic oslo.messaging adoption status | 16:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslo.messaging adoption status (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:40 | |
| dhellmann | markmc reported on that above | 16:40 |
| dhellmann | therve, salv-orlando, vipul: are there any other updates? | 16:40 |
| dhellmann | I don't see most of them here today | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | #topic oslo.db graduation status | 16:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslo.db graduation status (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:41 | |
| dhellmann | victors, rpodolyaka: how do things look? | 16:41 |
| rpodolyaka | I have a bunch of review for you :) | 16:41 |
| rpodolyaka | *s | 16:41 |
| rpodolyaka | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo.db-release-blockers | 16:41 |
| viktors | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo.db-release-blockers | 16:41 |
| rpodolyaka | most of them have been approved, but gates... | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | yeah, we're all at the mercy of the gates | 16:42 |
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| rpodolyaka | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96468/ - the spec we need to get approved | 16:42 |
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| rpodolyaka | waiting for the consensus, probably? | 16:42 |
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| viktors | this spec related to patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96467/ - eventlet.tpool | 16:43 |
| beekneemech | rpodolyaka: You're +1 on that spec, right? | 16:43 |
| beekneemech | I think that would make 4 people with +2 on oslo.db in favor. | 16:43 |
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| rpodolyaka | beekneemech: should I? I'm the author :) | 16:44 |
| beekneemech | Oh, whoops. :-) | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | rpodolyaka: I think it's safe to assume the author is +1 :-) | 16:44 |
| rpodolyaka | hehe | 16:44 |
| beekneemech | I was thinking of the oslo.db patch where Andrey was the author. :-) | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | so yeah, that one looks settled | 16:44 |
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| dhellmann | rpodolyaka: I'll approve that later today | 16:45 |
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| beekneemech | \o/ our first approved spec! | 16:45 |
| rpodolyaka | dhellmann: ack, thanks! | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | :-) | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | #topic oslo.i18n graduation status | 16:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslo.i18n graduation status (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:45 | |
| dhellmann | we need some spec and code reviews | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo.i18n,n,z | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | I have one rather large one up to clean up the public API of the librarythe documentation review is blocking the library being added to the main doc site | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | we do have 2 +2 on the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95002/ | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | so maybe that one is ready to go in as well | 16:46 |
| beekneemech | 2 +2's on an i18n spec? Ship it! | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann approve graduate-oslo-db and graduate-oslo-i18n specs in that order | 16:47 |
| beekneemech | That's almost as many people as showed up to the i18n sessions at summit. :-) | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | heh | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | #topic review priorities for this week | 16:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review priorities for this week (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:47 | |
| dhellmann | I think this week is the same as last. specs, oslo.db, oslo.i18n | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | I haven't looked at the bug list in a couple of days, are there any critical issues we need to add to that list? | 16:48 |
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| beekneemech | I haven't noticed anything coming through launchpad. | 16:48 |
| beekneemech | And I get notified of every update to every oslo bug. :-) | 16:49 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I hadn't noticed either | 16:49 |
| dhellmann | careful, beekneemech, you sound like you're volunteering to be the lead bug triager :-) | 16:49 |
| beekneemech | Heh, oslo-coresec seems to have subscribed me so I don't have a lot of choice in the matter. :-) | 16:50 |
| dhellmann | heh | 16:50 |
| dhellmann | that's all we had on the formal agenda this week | 16:50 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 16:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:50 | |
| dhellmann | does anyone have anything else to raise? | 16:50 |
| beekneemech | Oh, I wanted to note that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95281 would be good for liaisons to look at. | 16:51 |
| jogo | shameless plug for finaly review before hacking 0.9 can be released https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97988/ | 16:51 |
| dhellmann | beekneemech: very good point | 16:51 |
| beekneemech | Since it involves trying to make context work for everyone, we should try to get as broad input as possible. | 16:51 |
| dhellmann | #action liaisons review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95281 | 16:51 |
| jogo | found a regression in hacking 0.9.0 so want to fix it before announcing it | 16:51 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmand send email to the dev list asking for liaisons to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95281 | 16:51 |
| beekneemech | jogo: I'll take a look | 16:52 |
| dhellmann | jogo: on my list now | 16:52 |
| jogo | thanks | 16:52 |
| dhellmann | if there's nothing else, I think we'll continue our trend of ending a few minutes early | 16:53 |
| beekneemech | Nothing for me | 16:53 |
| dhellmann | going once... | 16:53 |
| dhellmann | 2... | 16:54 |
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| dhellmann | ok, thanks every one! | 16:54 |
| rpodolyaka | thanks all, have a nice weekend! | 16:54 |
| beekneemech | +1 | 16:54 |
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| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 16:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:55 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jun 6 16:55:18 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-06-06-16.00.html | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-06-06-16.00.txt | 16:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-06-06-16.00.log.html | 16:55 |
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| harlowja | dhellmann saw the test taskflow release again, i'm gonna try to do that once the gate finishes up 3 jobs that have been sitting for ~2 days ;) | 17:17 |
| harlowja | *queued, not sitting i mean | 17:17 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja: sounds good | 18:46 |
| harlowja | :) | 18:46 |
| harlowja | nearly there (supposedly getting ran as we speak) | 18:46 |
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