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salv-mobile | Aloha | 15:59 |
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dhellmann | hi, salv-mobile | 15:59 |
dhellmann | who else is around for the oslo meeting? | 15:59 |
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markmc | yo | 16:00 |
markmc | for first 30 | 16:00 |
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jecarey | hi | 16:00 |
Alexei_9871 | o/ | 16:00 |
i159 | \o/ | 16:00 |
rpodolyaka_afk | o/ | 16:00 |
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dhellmann | good turnout today :-) | 16:00 |
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dhellmann | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Fri Jul 18 16:00:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
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dhellmann | our agenda: | 16:00 |
dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting | 16:00 |
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dhellmann | #topic red flags from liaisons | 16:00 |
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bknudson | keystone -- none | 16:01 |
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dhellmann | #info we’re working on the problem with py26 that prevents us from using alpha versions | 16:01 |
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dhellmann | mordred thinks that's fixed and we just need to wait for new CI images to be built before we can try some of those patches again | 16:01 |
salv-mobile | Neutron all quiet | 16:01 |
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dhellmann | that's what I like to hear :-) | 16:02 |
bknudson | oslo.i18n merged into keystone -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104400/ | 16:02 |
dhellmann | excellent! | 16:02 |
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mordred | dhellmann: actually... found another issue | 16:02 |
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markmc | dhellmann, watching https://jenkins03.openstack.org/job/gate-oslo-incubator-python26/382/console | 16:02 |
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mordred | yah | 16:02 |
markmc | nope, died | 16:02 |
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dhellmann | mordred, markmc : is this just a whack-a-mole issue that we can eventually solve, or is there a fundamental problem with doing this? | 16:03 |
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mordred | whack a mole | 16:04 |
mordred | today's problem has nothing to do with Python | 16:04 |
markmc | question is whether we should remove the alphas from global-requirements for now | 16:05 |
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markmc | take the pressure off | 16:05 |
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mordred | something else in the centos image derped | 16:05 |
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dhellmann | markmc: pressure? | 16:05 |
mordred | which borked Nova | 16:05 |
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markmc | dhellmann, all the auto-proposed requirements changes that are held up | 16:05 |
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markmc | dhellmann, aside from the alphas | 16:05 |
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dhellmann | markmc: ah. Can we test this case without those change proposals in place, though? | 16:06 |
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markmc | dhellmann, hmm, probably not | 16:07 |
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dhellmann | markmc: the other changes can be safely proposed by hand, so we shouldn't be holding anyone up | 16:07 |
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dhellmann | at least I think that works | 16:07 |
markmc | dhellmann, well, we can manually propose - the requirements check will fail, but we can see if the py26 succeeds | 16:07 |
dhellmann | true | 16:07 |
markmc | ok, I'll propose | 16:08 |
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dhellmann | ok, send me the link and I can get it aproved | 16:08 |
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markmc | problem is people don't know what's going on | 16:08 |
dhellmann | we should mail the -dev list, I guess | 16:08 |
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dhellmann | do you have time to write a summary? | 16:08 |
bknudson | Can you manually propose if it's not in global requirements? I thought the package wouldn't be in the mirror | 16:08 |
dhellmann | bknudson: the mirror is now a full mirror | 16:09 |
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dhellmann | infra switched over to bandersnatch fairly recently | 16:09 |
bknudson | ok | 16:09 |
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dhellmann | ok, let's keep going | 16:09 |
dhellmann | #topic adoption status | 16:09 |
dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-oslo-adoption-status | 16:09 |
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dhellmann | obviously we're a bit blocked on the alphas, but the new libraries aren't alphas so that work can continue | 16:10 |
bknudson | oh, this is where I should say i18n merged to keystone | 16:10 |
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dhellmann | bknudson: thanks | 16:10 |
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GheRivero | and in ironic | 16:10 |
sreshetnyak | sahara started to migration to oslo.db and oslo.i18n | 16:11 |
dhellmann | GheRivero: if you have a patch to list in the etherpad, that would be good | 16:11 |
GheRivero | oslo.db is on the way, waiting for a change for the opportunistic approach for db migration and testing. | 16:11 |
dhellmann | sreshetnyak: great, can you add that info to the etherpad? | 16:11 |
GheRivero | sure. will do | 16:11 |
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dhellmann | GheRivero: thanks | 16:11 |
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beekneemech | GheRivero: I think the opportunistic db change merged today. | 16:12 |
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i159 | beekneemech: yep | 16:12 |
Alexei_9871 | I have a patch to migrate cinder to oslo.db | 16:12 |
beekneemech | So next oslo.db release it should be ready to go. | 16:12 |
dhellmann | i159: should we cut a release so ironic can use that fix? | 16:13 |
dhellmann | Alexei_9871: is that the one on line 53 of the etherpad, or another one? | 16:13 |
i159 | dhellmann: I think, yes | 16:13 |
sreshetnyak | dhellmann, yes | 16:13 |
dhellmann | i159: ok, maybe monday morning (no releases on friday!) | 16:13 |
Alexei_9871 | dhellmann: yes | 16:13 |
viktors | dhellmann: sure :) | 16:13 |
i159 | dhellmann: but we still have old version in the global-reqs | 16:13 |
dhellmann | Alexei_9871: perfect, just making sure we had all the info correct | 16:13 |
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dhellmann | i159: if that is a minimum version the new version will be picked up automatically | 16:14 |
sreshetnyak | dhellmann, can share link to etherpad? | 16:14 |
dhellmann | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-oslo-adoption-status | 16:14 |
sreshetnyak | dhellmann, thanks | 16:14 |
i159 | dhellmann: ok, that makes my life easier) | 16:15 |
markmc | dhellmann, ok it's https://review.openstack.org/108055 | 16:15 |
markmc | dhellmann, tried to capture the summary as I know it so people have something to refer to | 16:15 |
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dhellmann | markmc: cool, thanks | 16:16 |
dhellmann | liaisons, let us know if you need help with reviews or if the cores in the other projects have questions about the recommended approach on any of these updates | 16:16 |
dhellmann | let's keep going... | 16:17 |
dhellmann | #topic spec status | 16:17 |
dhellmann | merged several more specs this week | 16:17 |
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dhellmann | #info greenio executor for oslo.messaging - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104792/ - merged | 16:17 |
dhellmann | #info scoping for atoms and flows - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100048/ - merged | 16:17 |
dhellmann | #info redis backend for taskflow - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105298/ - merged | 16:17 |
dhellmann | #info AMQP 1.0 driver for oslo.messaging - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96729/ - merged | 16:17 |
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dhellmann | The work on the driver has made some progress, but there's a question about whether or not the distros will have the dependencies set up. I don't know if we're going to have to bump this one to Kilo or not, yet. | 16:17 |
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dhellmann | markmc: are you aware of any change in status of those packages for debian or ubuntu? | 16:18 |
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markmc | dhellmann, nope, there was a thread on infra list this week | 16:18 |
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markmc | dhellmann, one sec and I dig up the link | 16:18 |
markmc | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2014-July/thread.html#1553 | 16:19 |
markmc | that's the latest as I know it | 16:19 |
markmc | kgiusti is driving it | 16:19 |
dhellmann | ok | 16:19 |
dhellmann | I'll have to talk to ttx about when we might have to cut that off and retarget for kilo | 16:20 |
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dhellmann | we should keep pushing ahead with the work no matter what | 16:20 |
markmc | indeed | 16:20 |
dhellmann | I would like to get some more feedback on the policy configuration directory spec: | 16:20 |
dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104157/ | 16:20 |
dhellmann | it seems logical to treat policy files like configuration files | 16:20 |
dhellmann | it's not clear what keystone is planning with a policy fetching API (or why they would do that) | 16:21 |
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dhellmann | does anyone have any special interest in the policy code? | 16:21 |
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* dhellmann takes that as a "no" :-) | 16:22 | |
bknudson | it would be ayoung | 16:23 |
dhellmann | other than the policy directory spec, I don’t see any that have an obvious chance of making it into juno, but as we agreed earlier there’s no real need to have a formal “freeze” for specs | 16:23 |
dhellmann | bknudson: do you know whether the API for fetching policies is likely to land in keystone this cycle? | 16:23 |
dhellmann | and, I guess, whether other projects are likely to adopt it? | 16:23 |
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bknudson | dhellmann: I think it's unlikely... I don't think there's a spec for it proposed. | 16:24 |
dhellmann | ok, I don't think we should hold up this improvement then | 16:24 |
dhellmann | cores, please add it to your review list | 16:24 |
bknudson | keystone has always had policy fetching... but nobody's used it | 16:24 |
salv-mobile | I don't see demand for an api endpoint to manage authz policies in neutron | 16:24 |
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dhellmann | #topic oslo.utils graduation status | 16:26 |
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dhellmann | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/graduate-oslo-utils | 16:26 |
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dhellmann | dimsum: any updates? | 16:26 |
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dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/oslo.utils+is:open,n,z | 16:27 |
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dhellmann | there are a few reviews open, and several look like they would be release blockers | 16:27 |
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dhellmann | looks like one was hit by an unrelated gate failure: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106753/ | 16:28 |
dhellmann | #topic oslo.serialization graduation status | 16:28 |
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dhellmann | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/graduate-oslo-serialization | 16:28 |
dhellmann | beekneemech: this one is you, right? | 16:28 |
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beekneemech | dhellmann: Yeah. See earlier comment about being in demo hell again this week. :-( | 16:28 |
dhellmann | beekneemech: ok, no worries | 16:29 |
beekneemech | I don't know that I'm going to make significant progress on that in the near future now either. | 16:29 |
beekneemech | TripleO meetup next week, and vacation the week after. | 16:29 |
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dhellmann | beekneemech: ok, let's talk about handing that off, I might be able to pick it up | 16:29 |
dhellmann | unless we have another volunteer? | 16:29 |
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dhellmann | let's see if flaper87|afk has some time, too | 16:30 |
dhellmann | #topic oslo.concurrency graduation status | 16:30 |
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dhellmann | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/graduate-oslo-concurrency | 16:30 |
dhellmann | I assume this is the same? :-) | 16:30 |
beekneemech | Yep | 16:30 |
dhellmann | ok, same answer, let's look for some help | 16:31 |
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dhellmann | beekneemech: how about sending email to the ML? | 16:31 |
beekneemech | dhellmann: Okay, will do. | 16:31 |
dhellmann | beekneemech: ok, thanks | 16:32 |
dhellmann | #topic release review | 16:32 |
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dhellmann | #info oslo.rootwrap 1.3.0.0a1 - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-rootwrap-1.3.0 | 16:32 |
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dhellmann | did I miss anything, or was that the only release this week? | 16:32 |
dhellmann | markmc is working on oslo.messaging 1.3.1 for ceilometer and i159 is going to release a new oslo.db monday | 16:33 |
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dhellmann | #topic juno-2 cut-off next week | 16:33 |
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dhellmann | I expect we'll have a harder time with projects accepting new libs as we pass j-2, but we'll keep working on releasing them with the expectation that they will be adopted by k-1 | 16:34 |
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dhellmann | does that make sense to everyone, or should we be more aggressive about adoption? | 16:34 |
beekneemech | I think that's fine. Our goal was never to get everyone on the libs this cycle, just to have them graduated. | 16:35 |
dhellmann | yep | 16:35 |
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beekneemech | Would be nice to WIP adoption patches proposed so they can be rebased early in K and ready to go. | 16:35 |
dhellmann | ooo, good idea, I like that | 16:36 |
bknudson | I'm wondering if keystone should switch to module syncs rather than full oslo-incubator syncs for J2... probably should just continue with the full syncs | 16:36 |
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viktors | beekneemech: it's can be hart hard to find reviewers sometimes :( | 16:36 |
dhellmann | bknudson: how far out of sync are you? | 16:36 |
bknudson | dhellmann: keystone was just syncd this week | 16:37 |
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bknudson | so we're not out of sync at all | 16:37 |
dhellmann | bknudson: ok, great | 16:37 |
beekneemech | viktors: Right, but it should be much easier if we have patches ready right away in K. | 16:37 |
beekneemech | The longer the adoptions take the more resistance there will be. | 16:38 |
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dhellmann | we'll need to reiterate that the incubated version of the modules will be going away at the end of K | 16:38 |
dhellmann | removing the RPC code at the end of juno will help with that signaling :-) | 16:38 |
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viktors | beekneemech: I'm affraid, that adoption to to oslo.db will came to Nova only in K ( | 16:38 |
beekneemech | viktors: That's perfectly fine. | 16:39 |
dhellmann | viktors: that's not at all surprising, and why I didn't want us to work on nova before any other projects | 16:39 |
dhellmann | nova is being (rightfully) cautious | 16:39 |
dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 16:39 |
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dhellmann | does anyone have anything else they need to bring up this week? | 16:40 |
bknudson | are there any libs released other than those on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-oslo-adoption-status ? | 16:40 |
viktors | dhellmann, rpodolyaka - can we mark https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/sync-models-with-migrations BP as approved? | 16:40 |
viktors | sorry, implemented | 16:40 |
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dhellmann | bknudson: that list is for the newly created libs, but we have been doing releases of some of the other existing libs | 16:40 |
Alexei_9871 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105796/ | 16:40 |
Alexei_9871 | messaging spec | 16:40 |
dhellmann | bknudson: it looks like oslo.utils is probably the next most likely new library | 16:40 |
bknudson | y, new libs | 16:40 |
Alexei_9871 | already implemented | 16:41 |
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Alexei_9871 | could someone please review it? | 16:41 |
bknudson | ok, keystone would be able to use oslo.utils... for importing | 16:41 |
Alexei_9871 | cause it seems that markmc doesn't have enough time to review his own project | 16:41 |
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dhellmann | Alexei_9871: it looks like there are a few unanswered questions there. | 16:41 |
Alexei_9871 | dhellmann: it's more like nits | 16:41 |
Alexei_9871 | so would like to have more votes on this | 16:41 |
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Alexei_9871 | cause questions are related to how we show diagrams | 16:42 |
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dhellmann | Alexei_9871: ok, it looks like the relevant experts are on the review list for that one | 16:42 |
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dhellmann | Alexei_9871: and I'll put it on my list, too | 16:43 |
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dhellmann | bknudson: the only part of importutils we expect to have public is try_import, I think | 16:45 |
mordred | dhellmann: I'm spinning new nodes now - the problem was actually a rackspace specific yum mirror issue | 16:45 |
dhellmann | the other parts will be there, but not part of the public API | 16:45 |
dhellmann | mordred: good news! | 16:46 |
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dhellmann | bknudson: so if you're using, for example, import_class, the expectation is that will switch to use stevedore | 16:46 |
bknudson | always pushing stevedore... | 16:46 |
bknudson | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/keystone/common/manager.py#n70 | 16:47 |
dhellmann | yes, well, is't the oslo lib, no? | 16:47 |
bknudson | keystone uses import_object | 16:47 |
dhellmann | bknudson: right, those functions will still be available through the incubator | 16:47 |
bknudson | wait, maybe you had a review to switch to stevedore... | 16:47 |
dhellmann | bknudson: I did, and I forget what was wrong with it | 16:47 |
dhellmann | bknudson: https://review.openstack.org/89419 | 16:48 |
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bknudson | y, let's get that moving. | 16:48 |
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dhellmann | bknudson: I'd be happy if you wanted to take that patch over and fix it up to meet the keystone devs' requirements | 16:49 |
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bknudson | dhellmann: ok, I'll look at it. | 16:49 |
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dhellmann | bknudson: ok, ping me if you have questions you think I can help with | 16:49 |
bknudson | looks pretty straightforward | 16:49 |
dhellmann | cool | 16:50 |
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dhellmann | I think that's it for this week? | 16:50 |
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dhellmann | ok, thanks for coming, everyone! | 16:51 |
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dhellmann | #endmeeting | 16:52 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jul 18 16:52:01 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:52 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-07-18-16.00.html | 16:52 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-07-18-16.00.txt | 16:52 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-07-18-16.00.log.html | 16:52 |
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