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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 24 14:00:52 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | welcome all | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | who is around this week then? | 14:01 |
| mriedem | hi | 14:01 |
| n0ano | o/ | 14:01 |
| dansmith | o/ | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Juno Status | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Juno Status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:01 | |
| bauzas | \o | 14:01 |
| PhilDay | o/ | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | so Juno-2 has been tagged, and lined up for release | 14:01 |
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| devananda | o/ | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | its totally broken ironic and baremetal, but lets get to that later | 14:02 |
| devananda | :) | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | so spec exceptions | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal has emailed out about those, and I am working through bringing those reviews back, and removing −2s etc | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | they all have one week, from when mikal approved them on the ML to merge, so this time next week ish | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, read the ML for more details at this point | 14:03 |
| bauzas | just let them know when the deadline is :-) | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info Feature Proposal Freeze August 21st, September 4th Juno-3, FF and SF | 14:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: yeah, mikal is owning this process, but the idea is ASAP | 14:03 |
| mirrorbox | what about specs that have only one core sponsor? | 14:03 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: sure, no worries :-) | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, any more questions on that kind of thing? | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | please all review the exceptions, they are getting updated in here: | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-juno-spec-priorities | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | and | 14:04 |
| n0ano | mirrorbox, my understanding is 1 core sponsor == no exception | 14:04 |
| mirrorbox | :( | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes, two cores for an exception | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | we should probably not have any more exceptions at this point | 14:05 |
| n0ano | the process is designed to make it difficult to get an exception | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | but thats a soft line, we are still learning with the whole specs thing | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: well, its designed to make sure things with exceptions are very likely to get into Juno, since its now so late | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | as a general heads up | 14:05 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, exactly | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | juno-2 had a tiny number of blueprints merge | 14:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | juno-3 is looking *very* full | 14:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | which is sort of normal... | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | but its going to be tight, so code up ASAP for a hope of getting your feature into Juno | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | and mark the blueprint as NeedsCodeReview once all the code is up and ready for review please | 14:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, lets move on | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Mid Cycle Meetup | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mid Cycle Meetup (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:07 | |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | please add things if you want to talk about them | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | see you there next week if you can make it | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | awesome | 14:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Bugs | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:08 | |
| johnthetubaguy | right so we have a little one here | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1347795 | 14:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1347795 in nova "All baremetal instance going to ERROR state" [Critical,In progress] | 14:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we (by which I mean mostly I) busted ironic | 14:09 |
| dansmith | did the revert land? | 14:09 |
| devananda | nope | 14:09 |
| dansmith | why for? | 14:09 |
| devananda | also, PaulMurray dug into it more | 14:09 |
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| devananda | dansmith: failed grenade in the gate | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109033 | 14:10 |
| dansmith | devananda: okay, and are we holding on trying to get that going again because paul is looking? | 14:10 |
| devananda | there are some more comments on the bug in the last few hours, and a little chat in -nova a few minutes ago | 14:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | seems like it got reverified | 14:10 |
| dansmith | okay, just wanted to know what the intent was | 14:10 |
| devananda | yea, derekh triggered the reverify before we realized Paul was working on a fix | 14:10 |
| devananda | so, blah | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | PaulMurray: whats the news on this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109301/ | 14:10 |
| * PaulMurray hi - I'm here | 14:10 | |
| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, I just pushed a patch | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | I vote we see who wins at this point, we need ironic unblock asap I feel | 14:11 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: yeah, I'm cool with that | 14:11 |
| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, devananda says it will test their CI as part of our jenkins | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | PaulMurray: +1 ironic should vote on it, hopefully before the revert merges! | 14:12 |
| devananda | the tempest-dsvm-virtual-ironic-nv job will check if that works | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways sounds like things are progressing there | 14:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so in follow up | 14:12 |
| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, dansmith will the baremetal test in jenkins too? | 14:12 |
| devananda | i'll stay on top of it for the next few hours, but then i'm on a plane for ~10hrs this afternoon | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | how to we make the ironic testing more visible asap? | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | s/to/do/ | 14:12 |
| devananda | re: baremetal driver, we can run a "check experimental" on any nova change to trigger tripleo | 14:12 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: IMHO, making it report as third party is about as good as we can do right now | 14:12 |
| devananda | johnthetubaguy: there is a patch to -infra which should help, i think ... lemme find the link | 14:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: seems like a good approach, but yeah waiting on ironic | 14:13 |
| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/97411 | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: devananda: can anyone remember why its not gating? | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | because its in incubation? | 14:14 |
| devananda | johnthetubaguy: exactly | 14:14 |
| dansmith | right | 14:14 |
| devananda | johnthetubaguy: non-integrated projects aren't allowed to *vote* on integrated ones | 14:14 |
| devananda | in their gate | 14:14 |
| devananda | so that patch ^ to infra should creaet a new check-non-binding pipeline | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, right, so third party it is, after infra make that possible | 14:14 |
| devananda | and allow our jobs to vote in a non-binding way | 14:14 |
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| devananda | yea | 14:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cools, sorry about all that, I know now what that job down the bottom I was ignoring does | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK… any more bugs people want to shout about? | 14:15 |
| mriedem | while on CI | 14:15 |
| mriedem | minesweeper status? | 14:15 |
| mriedem | vmware people around? | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, I don't see them in the list | 14:16 |
| mriedem | crickets | 14:16 |
| mriedem | nope | 14:16 |
| mriedem | move on i guess | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | I hurd they had some infrasturcture issues, but yeah, lets move on | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think they were working on fixing it | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Gate status | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gate status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:16 | |
| dansmith | I'm -2ing patches until it shows backup | 14:16 |
| mriedem | thought about WIP them... | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: well I am certainly not approving any driver changes till I see a +1 for their CI | 14:17 |
| mriedem | well one i'm watching has a +2 | 14:17 |
| mriedem | i don't want to see it merged w/o minesweeper at this point | 14:17 |
| mriedem | so maybe -2 is fair | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: −2 feels a bit harsh, but I get your point, "you don't want it to merge" and thats what −2 says | 14:17 |
| dansmith | yep | 14:17 |
| dansmith | I would -2 something without unit tests, | 14:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | maybe we need −3 "hell no" | 14:17 |
| dansmith | and without minesweeper, we have little testing, so I'm -2 on it until I see a run :) | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | right | 14:18 |
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| mriedem | actually as of ~5pm yesterday i saw it report success on this one | 14:18 |
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| mriedem | so maybe it's back and the wiki is out of date | 14:18 |
| mriedem | move on... | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | anything on the gate? | 14:18 |
| mriedem | http://jogo.github.io/gate/ | 14:18 |
| mriedem | http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/gate.html | 14:18 |
| mriedem | looks like grenade and infra issues mostly | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, not awesome, but not broken, is that fair? | 14:19 |
| mriedem | yeah | 14:19 |
| mriedem | looks like we have some uncategorized nova unit test bugs in the gate http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/data/uncategorized.html | 14:19 |
| mriedem | if someone wants to write e-r queries | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, any more for any more on the gate? generally needs a little more attention that its getting right now | 14:20 |
| mriedem | move on | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Review Status | 14:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:20 | |
| johnthetubaguy | well review those specs, I will remove −2 on the ones we need to look at ASAP | 14:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | and freeze is soon | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | nothing major to report here | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Sub Team Reports | 14:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sub Team Reports (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:21 | |
| johnthetubaguy | \o for XenAPI | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | please raise your hands | 14:21 |
| * n0ano gantt | 14:21 | |
| johnthetubaguy | short XenAPI update: CI has lots more testing running, its hurting the error rate BobBall is digging into that, and trying to bring back some stability | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: fire away | 14:22 |
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| n0ano | 2 major BPs we're pushing, client lib & DB isolation... | 14:22 |
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| n0ano | client lib is looking good, just rebasing, should go in soon.... | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | so DB isolation needs spec review, client needs code review | 14:23 |
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| n0ano | we got an exception on DB isolation, bauzas uploaded a new version of the BP, we need reviews on it | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | do we think DB isolation code will be ready before the freeze? | 14:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | any more subteam updates? | 14:24 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, we have multiple people anxious to work on the code, once the BP is approved it should go fast | 14:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: cool | 14:24 |
| baoli | appreciate if cores can spend some time on sr-iov review: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/pci-passthrough-sriov. | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | devananda: how is the ironic merge going? | 14:24 |
| n0ano | that's it in a nutshell | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | baoli: I see its all up for review now, which is cool, just needs eyes, awesome stuff | 14:25 |
| devananda | johnthetubaguy: Paul's fix doesn't quite work yet. Let's let the revert to keep going | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, tumble weed | 14:25 |
| devananda | johnthetubaguy: oh - you mean the ironic driver? | 14:26 |
| * devananda switches context | 14:26 | |
| johnthetubaguy | devananda: cool, sounds OK | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | devananda: yeah, sorry, just thinking more generally | 14:26 |
| devananda | johnthetubaguy: we've incorporated feedback from the reviews we've gotten on the driver code | 14:26 |
| devananda | and are waiting on our gate re-opening so we can merge those changes into our tree and re-propose them to Nova | 14:26 |
| devananda | I haven't had time to dig into grenade / javelin / $something | 14:27 |
| devananda | so we don't yet have testing of the proposed upgrade utilities | 14:27 |
| devananda | but I'd love to get some reviews on those | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, and some stuff to discuss at the mid-cycle | 14:27 |
| devananda | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101920/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102563/ | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, so moving forward, which is good, but looking tight | 14:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK... | 14:28 |
| devananda | yep | 14:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 14:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so, next weeks meeting, shall we cancel it? | 14:28 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, +1 | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | many will of us are at traveling post midcycle I assume? | 14:28 |
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| leifz | +1 | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, so I added that to the wiki already, so lets go with that | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more for any more? or are we done in record time? | 14:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | there are a list of hot juno topics on the agenda, if people have any updates on those | 14:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK... | 14:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well thanks for attending all | 14:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 14:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 24 14:30:51 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-07-24-14.00.html | 14:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-07-24-14.00.txt | 14:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-07-24-14.00.log.html | 14:30 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 24 15:01:30 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:01 |
| vponomaryov | hello | 15:01 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:01 |
| rraja | hi | 15:01 |
| deepakcs | hi all | 15:01 |
| scottda | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | sorry for my absence last week -- it was unavoidable | 15:02 |
| dustins | o/ | 15:02 |
| ameade | o/ | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | hmm I have one thing to stick in before we start the agenda | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #topic incubation | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | I plan to send the request for incubation to the OpenStack TC tomorrow | 15:03 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, nice | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Incubation_Application | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | this is your last chance to add an information about yourselves to the 'Project developers qualifications' section | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | it will help if we fill out that section I think | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: everyone can participate in incubation meeting with TC? | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | so the way that it works is that I send a mail to the openstack-dev ML | 15:05 |
| bswartz | and I CC the technical committee ML | 15:05 |
| bswartz | and they give us a date | 15:05 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: it still says my core membership pending team vote?:) | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | the TC meets on Tuesday afternoons at 3PM (?) | 15:06 |
| bswartz | xyang1: DOH | 15:06 |
| bswartz | we'll get it fixed | 15:06 |
| bswartz | I still have to do my updates | 15:06 |
| bswartz | the TC meetings are open to everyone | 15:06 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: thanks:) I'll update my profile as well before tomorrow | 15:06 |
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| deepakcs | bswartz, for other TZ users, do we get to see what TC discussed ? | 15:07 |
| bswartz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings#Technical_Committee_meeting | 15:07 |
| bswartz | 2000 UTC is the meeting time | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | deepakcs: it's like any other meeting -- it's run by the openstack bot and logged, etfc | 15:08 |
| bswartz | etc* | 15:08 |
| scottda | meeting is 3PM EDT? so is that 19:00 UTC? | 15:08 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, cool | 15:08 |
| bswartz | 2000 UTC | 15:08 |
| scottda | thx | 15:08 |
| bswartz | typically the date for consideration will be a few weeks away | 15:08 |
| bswartz | we'll see though and I'll let you all know | 15:08 |
| bswartz | enough on that | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | #topic dev status | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dev status (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:09 | |
| vponomaryov | Dev status: | 15:09 |
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| vponomaryov | 1) Test framework for Manila was refactored | 15:09 |
| vponomaryov | see commit: #link https://github.com/stackforge/manila/commit/16a04df3d0da5d6f51b7572c9fe2794c0bd718c1 | 15:09 |
| vponomaryov | 2) '--share-server' filter opt for share list API | 15:09 |
| vponomaryov | bp: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/add-admin-api-list-shares-for-share-server | 15:09 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit, server side: #link https://review.openstack.org/107729 | 15:09 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit, client side: #link https://review.openstack.org/108312 | 15:09 |
| vponomaryov | status: finished, ready for review | 15:09 |
| vponomaryov | 3) oslo.db | 15:10 |
| vponomaryov | bp: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/oslo.db | 15:10 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/106766 | 15:10 |
| vponomaryov | status: finished, ready for review | 15:10 |
| vponomaryov | 4) Usage of common code | 15:10 |
| vponomaryov | bp: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/use-common-code | 15:10 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit, manila: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/manila+branch:master+topic:bp/use-common-code,n,z | 15:10 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit, manilaclient: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/python-manilaclient+branch:master+topic:bp/use-common-code,n,z | 15:10 |
| vponomaryov | status: commits are ready for review, bp is in progress | 15:10 |
| vponomaryov | that's all for dev status | 15:10 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:11 |
| bswartz | looks good | 15:11 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: do we have vlad here by any chance? | 15:11 |
| bswartz | or is that next week? | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: he is vacation | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | okay do you know his IRC handle? | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: he is on vacation this and next week too | 15:12 |
| bswartz | oh ok | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: maybe vvechkanov, but I am not sure | 15:12 |
| bswartz | look forward to him joining | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: you mean contributor list? | 15:13 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: no I'm not concerned about that | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | just looking forward to seeing him in these meetings | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | #link Follow up to launchpad ownership question for manila client | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | errr | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | #topic Follow up to launchpad ownership question for manila client | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | is this an old item from last week? | 15:14 |
| bswartz | we have full control of python-manilaclient on LP | 15:14 |
| bswartz | and I think we have bugs and BPs setup | 15:14 |
| bswartz | any remaining issues here? | 15:14 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: its ok | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | okay | 15:15 |
| bswartz | #topic Support for SID-based access control in manila client | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | cknight / ameade: who wants to cover this? | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | in "manilaclient"? | 15:15 |
| cknight | bswartz: I can | 15:15 |
| cknight | We're working on access groups, and we need to know if SID support is to be maintained. | 15:16 |
| cknight | It doesn't appear to be complete. | 15:16 |
| bswartz | I don't think SIDs are a reasonable way to manage access | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | cknight: cmode driver uses it for cifs | 15:16 |
| bswartz | I think IPs, networks, and Users make sense | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | cknight: sid rules are the only for cifs in Cmode | 15:17 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: we should be using Users though | 15:17 |
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| cknight | SIDs map to users or groups in the Windows world, and ONTAP uses them. | 15:17 |
| bswartz | SIDs are incredibly user-unfriendly | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: sid rules it is exactly about users and groups | 15:17 |
| bswartz | so SIDs are used underneath, for sure, but users should be able to specify User NAMEs or Group NAMEs | 15:17 |
| deepakcs | just curious, what does SID expand to ? | 15:18 |
| cknight | deepakcs: Security identifier #link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_Identifier | 15:18 |
| bswartz | and reason we can't do that? | 15:19 |
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| deepakcs | cknight, thx | 15:19 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: your proposal to rename sid into users? | 15:20 |
| bswartz | err any* | 15:20 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: 'sid' as key for access rule? | 15:20 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: yes the tenant-facing API should be in terms of users and groups, not SIDs | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | one problem that cknight pointed out is that out database fields aren't even wide enough for SIDs :-( | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | that's my opinion at least | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | I'm looking for disagreement | 15:22 |
| bswartz | I can't see any benefit to using SIDs over names | 15:22 |
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| cknight | Do we know if any users are using the SID feature? | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | I can't imagine | 15:23 |
| bswartz | I'm not aware of any | 15:23 |
| bswartz | let's get it fixed soon | 15:23 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: only client side? | 15:24 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: or server too? | 15:24 |
| bswartz | the API is what needs fixing | 15:24 |
| bswartz | I imagine that will impact both the client and server | 15:24 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: topic is about manilaclient | 15:24 |
| cknight | bswartz: we can yank it as part of the access group work, or after the group stuff is merged | 15:24 |
| bswartz | cknight: what is your feeling? does it impact the server | 15:25 |
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| cknight | It ripples through, but mostly in the APIs. | 15:25 |
| bswartz | that's what I assumed | 15:25 |
| bswartz | glad I'm not crazy | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | ok I think that issue is closed | 15:26 |
| cknight | bswartz: so can this be part of the groups commit, or done afterwards? | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | cknight: we can talk about how to manage the work | 15:27 |
| bswartz | I think we agree on the goal | 15:27 |
| bswartz | #topic cert-based-access-type | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/cert-based-access-type | 15:27 |
| bswartz | deepakcs, you're up | 15:27 |
| deepakcs | thanks bswartz , I have couple of things... | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | first of all, it looks like this is a glusterfs specific thing, right? | 15:28 |
| deepakcs | ameade, can you provide more info on where exactly you see the overlap between cert bp and access groups bp ? | 15:28 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, currently yes, but implmn won't be tied to glusterfs | 15:29 |
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| deepakcs | bswartz, I mean, its a new access type that can be implemented by any backend that supports it. | 15:29 |
| ameade | deepakcs: it was just a thought around how access groups will need to support cert access rules, access groups will affect how rules are applied on the backend | 15:29 |
| bswartz | deepakcs: what does a cert actually look like? | 15:30 |
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| deepakcs | ameade, right, so you mean instead of IP based group, it could potentially be a cert based access group ? | 15:30 |
| bswartz | do you have a proposed encoding format? | 15:30 |
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| deepakcs | bswartz, its X509 standard SSL certificate. (.pem files) | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | my big concern here is that DER-encoded X.509 is MASSIVE compared to usernames and IP addresses | 15:30 |
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| ameade | deepakcs: yeah | 15:30 |
| cknight | deepakcs: where are the certs stored, and how are they specified to manila? The access mapping tables won't currently hold anything that large. | 15:30 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, massive meaning ? glusterfs uses openssl to create and use certs. I think they are DER encoded, need to cross check | 15:31 |
| bswartz | I mean they are typcially several hundred bytes -- sometimes multiple KBs | 15:32 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, we don't put the DER encoded string in the access_type.. we use the CN (Common Name) to determine the access type | 15:32 |
| bswartz | not exactly a great thing to shove into a database | 15:32 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, CN is inside the certificate, which is the person to which the cert is issued to | 15:32 |
| cknight | bswartz: it could be a blob, but would have to live in a separate table | 15:32 |
| ameade | bswartz: do we need a key-data store? | 15:32 |
| bswartz | well wait a minute | 15:32 |
| deepakcs | cknight, the way glusterfs uses it.. its stored on the client and server sides (under /etc/ssl) | 15:33 |
| bswartz | is the proposal here to only tell manila about the CN of the certificate | 15:33 |
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| bswartz | and to keep the actual certificate outside manila? | 15:33 |
| bswartz | because that would actually be really easy | 15:33 |
| bswartz | (if it works) | 15:33 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, certificate creation and trust setup between instance and server is done as part of backend work. thats my thinking. | 15:33 |
| bswartz | deepakcs: is it out of band or inside the manila backend | 15:34 |
| bswartz | ? | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | if it's completely out of band then that's great | 15:34 |
| ameade | what's the value then? | 15:34 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, as part of access_allow and access_deny, my thoguht was to add trust (by way of setting the certs) and remove trust (by way of removing certs) | 15:34 |
| bswartz | if manila is involved in any way with creation of certificates then it has to be able to transmit them | 15:34 |
| scottda | What will push the client's cet into the instance? Manila or backend or ?? | 15:34 |
| scottda | cet -> cert | 15:35 |
| bswartz | and if we need to transmit them then we need to care about encoding and storage of them | 15:35 |
| ameade | ah ok | 15:35 |
| bswartz | if the creation and transmission of the certs is outside of manila, then all manaila would have to do is manage the list of allowed certs | 15:35 |
| deepakcs | I am open to suggestions.. put my current thinkign was NOT to have manila manage certificates , since i believe that is backedn specific | 15:36 |
| bswartz | that doesn't sound scary to me | 15:36 |
| deepakcs | s/put/but | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | deepakcs: how far along is the implementation of this? can we see a WIP? | 15:36 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, I just started... nothing to show yet. I am figuring the work flows for this, and had a question in that regards too. | 15:37 |
| bswartz | deepakcs: the part where I get nervous is when you say "backend" -- do you mean manila backend or the storage controller itself? | 15:37 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, sorry if my nomeclature was not clear. I mean the manila driver will setup the cert and enable the trust | 15:37 |
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| deepakcs | bswartz, by working with the client (instance) and backend (server) | 15:38 |
| deepakcs | by server I mean the glusterfs server here | 15:38 |
| bswartz | deepakcs: I know you don't have this right now, but maybe you can come up with a step by step sequence of operations that a tenant would do | 15:38 |
| vponomaryov | deepakcs: but who produces certs and transfers it? | 15:38 |
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| deepakcs | vponomaryov, the manila driver for glusterfs would do it | 15:39 |
| bswartz | from beginning to end, including the inputs and outputs and what goes where | 15:39 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, I added soem steps in the bp, did u see it ? | 15:39 |
| bswartz | it's still very unclear if manila ever touches the certificate itself | 15:39 |
| bswartz | or if manila just handles CNs | 15:39 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, Per my current thinking.. manila only handles the CNs. In fact CNs are derived from instance ID or tenant ID | 15:40 |
| bswartz | because someone needs to create there certs and sign them | 15:40 |
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| nileshb | and the certs are stored in manila db? | 15:40 |
| bswartz | if that's an "out of band" activity then I have no issue with this | 15:40 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, Manila only says "I want to use cert based access for this instance UUID for this share" | 15:40 |
| bswartz | deepakcs: I think you're on the right track then | 15:40 |
| scottda | deepaks: How will you modify the instance? to put the cert in the proper place? | 15:40 |
| bswartz | why don't you proceed with the work and show us when you have something? | 15:40 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, i don't understand when u say "out of band"..what does that mean ? | 15:40 |
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| deepakcs | scottda, Like how today we do ssh in service VM and do exportfs ... similarly my thought was to get into instances using ssh. I hope that is possible ? | 15:41 |
| vponomaryov | deepakcs: manila is requester not handler for cert activity | 15:41 |
| bswartz | I mean that the client and server setup their keys and certs in a way that doesn't involve manila, and manila is only involved in the last step -- where access to the share is granted based on the preexisting cert | 15:41 |
| cknight | deepakcs: is any of this reusable by other (future) drivers? That is, should the driver manager be doing anything you plan to put in GlusterFS driver? | 15:41 |
| deepakcs | vponomaryov, you can say so | 15:42 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, yes, i agree to that | 15:42 |
| bswartz | okay that sounds perfect | 15:42 |
| scottda | deepakcs: I am not so sure on this. Manila owns the service VM, so Manila can ssh to it to do exportfs. But Manila does not own the tenant VM instance. | 15:42 |
| deepakcs | cknight, so you mean we can put some APIs in driver manager to handle the client and server certs and trust.. which can be implemented diff for other future drivres ? | 15:42 |
| deepakcs | *drivers ? | 15:42 |
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| ameade | i'm still not clear on everything the tenant would have to do | 15:43 |
| cknight | deepakcs: yes, that's what I'm asking | 15:43 |
| deepakcs | cknight, that can be done too | 15:43 |
| ameade | even outside of manila | 15:43 |
| deepakcs | scottda, ok.. I also need to think on that. | 15:43 |
| bswartz | ameade: I think the client and server would have a prexisting relationship (through a shared CA) | 15:43 |
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| deepakcs | bswartz, that will be setup as part of access_allow | 15:43 |
| bswartz | that's no different than a client and a server having a prexisting relationship through a shared AD controller, for example | 15:44 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, for it to be pre-existing the instance virtual disk image will have the certs before itself, that may not be possible, always rite ? | 15:44 |
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| ameade | bswartz: how do they get that prexisting relationship? excuse my ignorance on the subject | 15:44 |
| bswartz | assuming the client and the server both have private keys and certs signed by the same CA, then manila just needs to take the name from the client cert and give that to the server and say "allow this" | 15:44 |
| bswartz | all the tenant has to do is tell manila the name from the cert | 15:44 |
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| deepakcs | bswartz, so are u suggesting that the instance (client) will use an disk image that will have signed certs pre-loaded ? | 15:45 |
| bswartz | deepakcs: that would be a problem left to the user | 15:46 |
| bswartz | it's no different than CIFS or Kerberos | 15:46 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, Hmm i don't fully understand, but ok! | 15:46 |
| bswartz | the tenant VM has to have a relationship with some authority and how they set that up is outside manila | 15:46 |
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| deepakcs | bswartz, the certs have CN which I plan to use as the instance or tenant ID (based on what granularity we need to provide the access) | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | A certificate authority is just another type of authority | 15:47 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, these UUIDs won't be known beforehand, so pre-loaded certs won't be helpful | 15:47 |
| bswartz | deepakcs: clearly there would need to be a workflow involving new VMs and the CA | 15:47 |
| bswartz | but manila wouldn't need to be part of that | 15:47 |
| bswartz | it would be a precondition | 15:47 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, I hope its clear that the cert bp is applicable only to the native glusterfs protocol (not for nfs/cifs) | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | yes of course | 15:47 |
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| ameade | imo, we need to be concerned with the entire UX so preconditions and postcondtions to the actual manila process still matter | 15:48 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, ok | 15:48 |
| ameade | even if the manila process is simple, if it's a pain to get to that point nobody will do it | 15:48 |
| bswartz | some of you may not be aware, but a AD controller and a KRB domain controller actually acts like an automated certificate authority | 15:48 |
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| cknight | deepakcs: but please assume that a future driver may want the same feature, so design with reusability in mind | 15:49 |
| bswartz | you're just not exposed to the gory details of that when you use CIFS or NFS | 15:49 |
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| deepakcs | cknight, sure, and i look to you and others to correct me too :) | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | in the case of GlusterFS, it looks like you will be exposed to the gory details, but doesn't sound too bad to me | 15:49 |
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| deepakcs | bswartz, For now, GlusterFS usage of certs is very raw... but in future that can change.. currently the certs needs to be setup manually | 15:50 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, which will be done by the gluster driver for manila for native protovcol | 15:50 |
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| cknight | deepakcs: it may be useful to you to do a telecon with us to determine if/how your changes work with the access group work. Probably no issue there, but we should be aligned. | 15:50 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, Does the 'high level steps' in the BP help you are we need more granular steps ? | 15:50 |
| bswartz | deepakcs: I think we can make this work -- just let me know when you have something ready to show | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | deepakcs: no don't worry about it -- I was just trying to be sure that the actual cert handling was outside of manila not inside | 15:51 |
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| deepakcs | bswartz, sure, i will start on this. But as i said, i have few questions wrt implemetation.. esp creating siubnet between instance and glusterfs server. maybe i will shoot a mail to the -dev list | 15:51 |
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| deepakcs | bswartz, ok thanks | 15:51 |
| deepakcs | cknight, sure, we can definitely havea call. Maybe once i have something to show/work, its better to have a call ? | 15:52 |
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| bswartz | deepakcs: the networking aspect of this is a different matter | 15:52 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, yeah and I am a bit naive there. | 15:52 |
| cknight | deepakcs: your call, just trying to save some work | 15:52 |
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| deepakcs | cknight, sure, will keep you posted | 15:52 |
| bswartz | I'm still assuming that glusterFS operates in a fundamentally flat networking model | 15:52 |
| bswartz | if glusterFS has new and interesting network capabilities, that's a different topic to discuss | 15:53 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, flat meaning ? It only has IP based access controls today | 15:53 |
| bswartz | correct | 15:53 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, new capabilities could be there in future.. for now its plain IP based access controls only | 15:53 |
| bswartz | let's not confuse cert-based authentication with networking | 15:53 |
| bswartz | networking is complicated enough by itself | 15:54 |
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| deepakcs | bswartz, Well, what i was trying to say .... | 15:54 |
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| deepakcs | bswartz, that the plan was to create a subnet between client and glusterfs server and then use cert based access for glusterfs mount | 15:54 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, bcos its possible to have same same IP across different tenants | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | deepakcs: you can do either one without the other | 15:55 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, using subnets would provide network level isolation, which is a good thing to have | 15:55 |
| bswartz | we can have the networking discussion, just not right now | 15:55 |
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| deepakcs | bswartz, just cert baesd won't provide L2 level isolation | 15:55 |
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| deepakcs | bswartz, ok | 15:55 |
| bswartz | the issues are orthagonal | 15:55 |
| bswartz | authentication and routing have nothing to do with eachother, really | 15:56 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:56 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:56 |
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| deepakcs | bswartz, need to catch u offline to discuss more | 15:56 |
| bswartz | anything else in our last few minutes? | 15:56 |
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| bswartz | I saw a question in #manila | 15:57 |
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| bswartz | (11:48:55 AM) smcginnis: Hello. Curious if there is any driver development documentation for manila yet. Similar to what cinder has here: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/cinder/devref/drivers.html | 15:57 |
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| xyang1 | I've only found API docs, but not driver dev docs for Manila | 15:58 |
| bswartz | smcginnis: developer docs is one of the things we don't have | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | at least not good driver development docs | 15:58 |
| bswartz | smcginnis: I would suggest using the generic driver as a model | 15:58 |
| vponomaryov | provided one for Cinder hard to call a doc, it just mention interfaces | 15:59 |
| bswartz | do no use the LVM driver as a model -- it's deprecated and will be going away | 15:59 |
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| vkozhukalov | hey, guys | 15:59 |
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| vkozhukalov | ready for fuel meeting? | 15:59 |
| bswartz | and we're out of time, unfortunately | 15:59 |
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| xyang1 | NetApp Cluster mode driver is actually a better example if driver support multitenancy | 15:59 |
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| mattymo | Hi gentlemen | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | and I agree with xyang1 | 16:00 |
| bswartz | look at the netapp cluster mode driver too | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | okay we're getting kicked out | 16:00 |
| bswartz | thanks all! | 16:00 |
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| deepakcs | thanks all | 16:00 |
| cknight | bye all | 16:00 |
| mihgen | =) crowd is here | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | thanks | 16:00 |
| dustins | Thanks! | 16:00 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 24 16:00:43 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-07-24-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-07-24-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-07-24-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
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| mihgen | hi Fuelers, our time | 16:00 |
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| vkozhukalov | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 24 16:01:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vkozhukalov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:01 |
| vkozhukalov | #chair vkozhukalov | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Current chairs: vkozhukalov | 16:01 |
| evgeniyl | Hi | 16:01 |
| vkozhukalov | hi everyone | 16:01 |
| angdraug | o/ | 16:01 |
| aglarendil | hi | 16:01 |
| vkozhukalov | agenda as usual | 16:01 |
| meow-nofer__ | hi | 16:01 |
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| vkozhukalov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:01 |
| mattymo | hi boys and girls | 16:01 |
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| vkozhukalov | #topic Greetings | 16:02 |
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| vkozhukalov | #topic 5.1 soft code freeze | 16:02 |
| mihgen | hey folks | 16:02 |
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| mihgen | we plan SCF for today folks | 16:02 |
| vkozhukalov | mihgen im sure you have something to say on this topic | 16:02 |
| mihgen | let's keep collaboratively working on our patches | 16:02 |
| mihgen | we have a lot of bugs still in progress, many of them have at least one +1 | 16:03 |
| mihgen | I'm about to give for those which have at least +1, but didn't get approval from core folks , give 1 more day to be merged | 16:03 |
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| mihgen | I think otherwise we are good enough to call SCF | 16:03 |
| mihgen | we will have to review bug by bug and move them to next milestone (only Low and Medium of course) | 16:04 |
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| aglarendil | I raised priority for some medium bugs to make sure they get into the release as they are more high than medium | 16:04 |
| mihgen | if some bug is important or hits many people, we may want to increase priority | 16:04 |
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| mihgen | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel/5.1_Release_Schedule | 16:04 |
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| angdraug | please don't forget to add comments when you change bug priority | 16:05 |
| mihgen | please don't forget about this important link, it has our schedule | 16:05 |
| mihgen | sorry folks my Mac is crazy and slows me down today ( | 16:05 |
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| mihgen | any objections on call for SCF today, and exception which I mentioned? | 16:05 |
| mihgen | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel/Soft_Code_Freeze - about SCF | 16:06 |
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| mihgen | looks like no objections so far, thanks everyone for hard work with squashing bugs! | 16:06 |
| xarses | mihgen: sounds good | 16:06 |
| aglarendil | there are some fixes I would like to merge into library | 16:06 |
| vkozhukalov | no objections | 16:06 |
| aglarendil | but I guess they are attached to high-priority bugs | 16:06 |
| aglarendil | so I do not have any | 16:06 |
| mihgen | cool. thanks. vkozhukalov - let's go on | 16:07 |
| vkozhukalov | ok, thanks mihgen, moving | 16:07 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic 5.0.1 release status | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "5.0.1 release status (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:07 | |
| angdraug | Here's the current status of 5.0.1: | 16:07 |
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| angdraug | #link https://launchpad.net/fuel/+milestone/5.0.1 | 16:07 |
| angdraug | Some bugs are only tracked in mos, these can be found at: | 16:07 |
| angdraug | #link https://launchpad.net/mos/+milestone/5.0.1 | 16:08 |
| angdraug | Primary blocker for 5.0.1 is still the RabbitMQ HA problem: | 16:08 |
| angdraug | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/mos/+bug/1340711 | 16:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1340711 in mos/5.0.x "[OSCI] building oslo-messaging for rpm and deb" [Critical,In progress] | 16:08 |
| angdraug | There are some new bugs in 5.0.1: | 16:08 |
| angdraug | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1348166 | 16:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1348166 in fuel/5.1.x "Upgrades, rollback for bootstrap brakes slaves bootstrapping" [High,In progress] | 16:08 |
| angdraug | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1346093 | 16:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1346093 in fuel "[System Tests] Dhcrelay didn't start on master in system tests" [High,Fix committed] | 16:08 |
| angdraug | any comments on the above two? are they really blockers for 5.0.1? | 16:08 |
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| angdraug | I understand the temptation to sqeeze in more fixes into 5.0.1 while mos team is dealing with the RabbitMQ problem | 16:09 |
| evgeniyl | I'm testing the patch for 1348166 right now, and it looks good. | 16:09 |
| angdraug | do we need any other bugs in 5.0.1? | 16:09 |
| mihgen | evgeniyl: what if we don't merge it in 5.0.1 ? | 16:09 |
| mihgen | angdraug: all < Critical should go away for sure | 16:10 |
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| mihgen | we just need to make sure they are not Criticals | 16:10 |
| evgeniyl | mihgen: fater rollback user will have broken cobbler | 16:10 |
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| evgeniyl | after | 16:10 |
| mihgen | evgeniyl: if I do 5.0 -> 5.0.1 and then rollback? | 16:10 |
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| angdraug | broken cobbler means can't deploy anything, isn't that Critical? | 16:11 |
| angdraug | or is there a workaround? | 16:11 |
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| evgeniyl | mihgen: yep 5.0 -> 5.0.1 and if there is some problem during the upgarde, rollback will break cobbler | 16:11 |
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| mihgen | evgeniyl: ok, only if there was a problem with upgrade | 16:11 |
| evgeniyl | user can fix it manually, it is the reason why I set High priority for the bug | 16:11 |
| mihgen | still sounds pretty critical | 16:12 |
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| mihgen | upgrade can fail and we should be ready for it | 16:12 |
| angdraug | one more incoming bug from mos team: | 16:12 |
| angdraug | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/mos/+bug/1348158 | 16:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1348158 in mos "Murano-agent does not get rabbit settings" [Critical,New] | 16:12 |
| mihgen | angdraug: if we test the patch, I think we should have the fix in 5.0.1 | 16:12 |
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| angdraug | agreed | 16:12 |
| mihgen | anyone from murano team to comment on that? | 16:13 |
| aglarendil | iyozhikov: ^^ | 16:13 |
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| vkozhukalov | doubt he is here | 16:14 |
| mihgen | let's get it later | 16:14 |
| mihgen | angdraug: let's move on | 16:14 |
| angdraug | if it's as bad as it says on the tin, and there's a fix today or tomorrow, we should have it in 5.0.1 too | 16:14 |
| aleksandr_null | yep. | 16:14 |
| angdraug | all other bugs are not Critical | 16:14 |
| angdraug | unless someone objects now, I'll move them to 5.0.2 | 16:14 |
| mihgen | ok, good. waiting for oslo.messaging to be fixed then | 16:14 |
| angdraug | yes. that concludes 5.0.1 discussion | 16:15 |
| mihgen | angdraug: let's do it | 16:15 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic 6.0 blueprints status | 16:15 |
| mihgen | angdraug: thanks! | 16:15 |
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| mihgen | Folks we have lots of blueprints there, many with higher statuses | 16:15 |
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| mihgen | we don't have such a velocity for sure :) | 16:15 |
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| aglarendil | let's schedule blueprint triage day | 16:16 |
| mihgen | if you take a look at schedule again, we would like to have Juno support before the summit | 16:16 |
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| mihgen | aglarendil: agree | 16:16 |
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| aglarendil | and discuss in #fuel-dev, I guess right after 5.0.1 release | 16:16 |
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| angdraug | don't need to wait for 5.0.1 release | 16:17 |
| vkozhukalov | and another very important feature is plugins | 16:17 |
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| angdraug | as discussed above, fuel team's work on 5.0.1 is mostly done, everyone should move on | 16:17 |
| mihgen | So the most important things for 6.0 are: Juno support, HA fixes and other bugs, openstack upgrades building blocks and plugins, also UI refactorings to improve UX | 16:17 |
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| angdraug | +1 to ^ | 16:17 |
| mihgen | also, vkozhukalov with agordeev are doing image based provisioning for a while now | 16:17 |
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| mihgen | so I assume we gonna get it finally done in 6.0 | 16:18 |
| mihgen | vkozhukalov: are we?) | 16:18 |
| vkozhukalov | yes | 16:18 |
| mihgen | :) | 16:18 |
| aglarendil | also granular deployment is critical for 6.0, I guess | 16:18 |
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| angdraug | no | 16:18 |
| aglarendil | and upstream manifests merge | 16:18 |
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| angdraug | upstream manifests, yes -- we've done most in 5.1 | 16:19 |
| aglarendil | and testing coverage: rspecs and puppet module tests | 16:19 |
| vkozhukalov | ok let's schedule bp triaging meeting for 6.0 | 16:19 |
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| aglarendil | also fencing and logs management | 16:19 |
| mihgen | sustaining stuff in puppet is very important | 16:19 |
| akislitsky_ | aglarendil, is plugins in library can be implemented without granular deployment? | 16:19 |
| mihgen | we are having most of the issues there in our process, so we definitely need to provide better test coverage and etc. | 16:19 |
| aglarendil | akislitsky_: I will not hope | 16:20 |
| mihgen | well let's discuss the rest out of the scope of this meeting | 16:20 |
| aglarendil | mihgen: I agree | 16:20 |
| vkozhukalov | moving on | 16:20 |
| mihgen | items I provided are the most important, but not complete, obviously | 16:20 |
| mihgen | vkozhukalov: sure | 16:21 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic Features | 16:21 |
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| vkozhukalov | #topic upstream neutron based ml2: missed feature freeze exception deadline | 16:21 |
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| mihgen | xarses: hi, did you see an email from aglarendil and me | 16:21 |
| xarses | yes | 16:21 |
| xarses | upstream ML2 has been moved to 6.0, Multi node HA testing is basically impossible due to rabbit, or galera issues compounding testing and resolving possible issues with multiple controllers present. | 16:21 |
| mihgen | xarses: :( | 16:22 |
| mihgen | well looks like we can't do anything here | 16:22 |
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| mihgen | and just need to get it merged in 6.0? | 16:22 |
| angdraug | I think xarses should keep working on it and have it ready for when stable/5.1 is branched | 16:22 |
| xarses | We need to fix ha | 16:23 |
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| angdraug | yes, that's our next topic I think | 16:23 |
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| aglarendil | xarses: we have working ha right now | 16:23 |
| xarses | and some other CI issues, I added to the end of the agenda | 16:23 |
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| mihgen | wait aglarendil why are we mixing all here? | 16:23 |
| aglarendil | xarses: it might be due to puppet ordering issues | 16:23 |
| mihgen | ha, CI, | 16:23 |
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| angdraug | lets move to the next topic and then we won't be off topic | 16:24 |
| xarses | moving on | 16:24 |
| mihgen | stable/5.1? I'm lost, why do we want to have ready exactly by stable/5.1? | 16:24 |
| vkozhukalov | ha and ci are certainly different topics | 16:24 |
| angdraug | mihgen: because then master will be open for 6.0 stuff | 16:24 |
| mihgen | angdraug: ohhh ok yeah | 16:24 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic Bugs | 16:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:24 | |
| mihgen | now it's clear, thanks | 16:24 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic 5.1 bvt tests failure trends: what breaks it most often lately | 16:25 |
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| mihgen | aglarendil: your turn on our smoke-HA | 16:25 |
| angdraug | over the last several weeks, bvt for ubuntu (and to lesser extent centos) has been failing more often than passing | 16:25 |
| aglarendil | angdraug: mihgen most of these tests were custom ISOs | 16:25 |
| aglarendil | angdraug: mihgen we spoke with nurla and decided to separate these jobs | 16:26 |
| aglarendil | angdraug: mihgen nighlty tests were passing mostly | 16:26 |
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| mihgen | aglarendil: ok so then what's the current status? | 16:26 |
| nurla | we created separeted jobs, see mail "Custom iso builds and custom bvt tests at Jenkins Product" | 16:26 |
| xarses | I think we need to stop doing single ha controller testing, it's possibly a large reason why we see alot of failures | 16:27 |
| mihgen | nurla: aglarendil I see smoke failed now.. | 16:27 |
| aglarendil | mihgen: we have bvt tests passed. the only problem I saw was OSTF test on centos | 16:27 |
| aglarendil | mihgen: nurla we are waiting for an email from rvyalov | 16:27 |
| aglarendil | mihgen: It should be fixed in next build | 16:27 |
| vkozhukalov | xarses: great, if something does not work, let's stop testing it -) | 16:27 |
| aglarendil | mihgen: some package mirror issue | 16:27 |
| xarses | we need to at least doing 2 controller HA testing so that primary_controller true|false modes can be tested | 16:28 |
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| aglarendil | xarses: I will talk about it with holser a little bit later related to galera improvements | 16:28 |
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| xarses | vkozhukalov: no, single controller HA passes to easily, while multiple controller ha fails alot, we need to test the harder issue | 16:28 |
| xarses | s/passes to easily/passes too easily/ | 16:29 |
| vkozhukalov | xarses: thanx, now i see | 16:29 |
| mihgen | nurla: can we optimize builds so that master node is reused for all centos simple, centos HA & UBuntu HA, so reducing time and resources? | 16:29 |
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| mihgen | having 3 deployments in parallel, we have multiple envs feature, right.. | 16:29 |
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| nurla | unfortunately, we haven't support parallel deployment in our tests | 16:30 |
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| mihgen | nurla: ok.. we will talk about it later | 16:30 |
| vkozhukalov | ok, moving on then | 16:30 |
| xarses | mihgen, nurla: rmoe and I have some ideas around that too | 16:31 |
| nurla | ok, lets create blueprint for improve this issue | 16:31 |
| mihgen | folks but let's keep all attention on smoke tests and BVT | 16:31 |
| mihgen | these are very important things now , the only things where we can see regression fast | 16:31 |
| angdraug | yes, and please lets watch for trends | 16:31 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic Fuel CI Python Unit Tests failures | 16:31 |
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| vkozhukalov | dpyzhov: around? | 16:31 |
| mihgen | akislitsky_: ^^ ? | 16:32 |
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| meow-nofer__ | this is a real issue these days | 16:32 |
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| akislitsky_ | I have fixed all known locks and inconsistency issues in CI tests, on local machine is passed fine, but after rebase on master it fails. I going to fix it tomorrow and merge int master | 16:32 |
| mihgen | akislitsky_: sounds optimistic | 16:32 |
| mihgen | looks like we had so many red builds because of these locks? | 16:32 |
| meow-nofer__ | akislitsky_: this will really help | 16:32 |
| akislitsky_ | I hope, patch is not small we need to review it tomorrow | 16:33 |
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| vkozhukalov | here it is clear | 16:34 |
| vkozhukalov | moving on | 16:34 |
| akislitsky_ | mihgen, yep, locks and inconsistency of the data in DB. we have fuzzy commits in DB in code | 16:34 |
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| vkozhukalov | #topic Ceph bugs status | 16:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ceph bugs status (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:34 | |
| mihgen | akislitsky_: meow-nofer thanks folks, looking forward to see all green :) | 16:34 |
| angdraug | The blocker issue that affected all ceph deployments with 5.1 is now fixed: | 16:34 |
| angdraug | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1333814 | 16:34 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1333814 in fuel "Environment deployment failed with ceph-deploy 1.5.2" [Critical,Fix committed] | 16:34 |
| angdraug | This leaves another critical bug that only affects large-scale deployments: | 16:34 |
| angdraug | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1341009 | 16:35 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1341009 in fuel "[osci] obsolete ceph package in fuel-repository for 5.0.1 and 5.1" [Critical,In progress] | 16:35 |
| angdraug | there's also medium and low priority bugs open, speak up if something must be fixed in 5.1 | 16:35 |
| xarses | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bugs?field.tag=ceph | 16:36 |
| aglarendil | what about | 16:37 |
| angdraug | #1335628 seems to be automatically reopened by gerrit | 16:37 |
| aglarendil | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1335880 | 16:37 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1335880 in fuel "[library] ERR: ceph-deploy osd activate node-11:/dev/sdb2 node-11:/dev/sdc2 returned 1 instead of one of [0]" [High,Confirmed] | 16:37 |
| aglarendil | it looks like it has some duplicates | 16:37 |
| angdraug | yes, needs to be cleaned up | 16:38 |
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| angdraug | rmoe: ^ | 16:38 |
| vkozhukalov | rmoe: was not able to reproduce 1333779 | 16:38 |
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| rmoe | I'll take a look at it but it looks like the same issue | 16:39 |
| vkozhukalov | maybe it is not so critical how it is written | 16:39 |
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| aglarendil | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1266853 | 16:39 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1266853 in fuel "[library] Adding Compute Node fails - ceph/manifests/conf.pp:44" [Medium,Confirmed] | 16:39 |
| aglarendil | also this looks really high | 16:39 |
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| angdraug | should be fixed by new ceph-deploy 1.5.9, needs a retest | 16:41 |
| vkozhukalov | resume: 1266853 is critical, so we need to raise its level | 16:41 |
| angdraug | huh? | 16:42 |
| vkozhukalov | 1333779 is not reproducible (waiting for diagnostic snapshot) | 16:42 |
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| angdraug | how can 1266853 be critical? | 16:42 |
| vkozhukalov | 1335880 needs to be fixed | 16:43 |
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| aglarendil | angdraug: if it is confirmed - it breaks compute addition feature | 16:43 |
| vkozhukalov | 1266853 compute node cannot be added | 16:43 |
| angdraug | 1335880 needs to be confirmed not to be a duplicate of 1323343 | 16:43 |
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| vkozhukalov | ok, let's look at it more carefully | 16:44 |
| vkozhukalov | moving on | 16:44 |
| xarses | angdraug: should you and rmoe and I just go through and triage all of them? | 16:44 |
| xarses | and go from there? | 16:44 |
| angdraug | yes | 16:44 |
| angdraug | lets move on | 16:44 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic Some announcements | 16:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Some announcements (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:44 | |
| xarses | ok, then that's our action | 16:44 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic rabbitmq HA tightening status | 16:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rabbitmq HA tightening status (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:45 | |
| aglarendil | here | 16:45 |
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| aglarendil | so, I have been working on some ha stuff for rabbitmq | 16:45 |
| aglarendil | it turns out we can fix almost all rabbitmq issues | 16:45 |
| aglarendil | I mean the server part | 16:45 |
| aglarendil | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108792/ | 16:46 |
| aglarendil | this is still a draft | 16:46 |
| aglarendil | I hope to finish it during next week and finally deal with rabbitmq clustering stuff | 16:46 |
| xarses | as of yesterday it was still taking a long time to assemble the cluster and sometimes would still be broken | 16:46 |
| aglarendil | xarses: yep, that's what I am going to address by this | 16:47 |
| xarses | rmoe was having issues with it taking very long after a cold start | 16:47 |
| aglarendil | xarses: talking to low-level stuff in mnesia | 16:47 |
| aglarendil | xarses: in OCF scripts | 16:47 |
| aglarendil | this will help us a lot | 16:47 |
| aglarendil | and kick dead controller out of the cluster quickly | 16:47 |
| aglarendil | right now it takes 60 seconds | 16:47 |
| aglarendil | for rabbitmq do declare node dead | 16:48 |
| aglarendil | I spoke to rabbitmq guys. it is configurable | 16:48 |
| aglarendil | by nettick time parameter | 16:48 |
| aglarendil | but I am afraid of false positives | 16:48 |
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| aglarendil | so I am gonna still leverage information from corosync | 16:48 |
| aglarendil | and kick dead nodes | 16:48 |
| aglarendil | by low level operations | 16:48 |
| angdraug | why do you have to go through mnesia? | 16:49 |
| angdraug | can't remove a node from the cluster via rabbitmqctl? | 16:49 |
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| aglarendil | it cannot | 16:49 |
| aglarendil | angdraug: it firsts asks status | 16:49 |
| aglarendil | angdraug: and sends rpc:multicall to all the node | 16:49 |
| aglarendil | that it thinks are alive | 16:49 |
| aglarendil | and timeout is nettick_time | 16:49 |
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| vkozhukalov | guys it is very detailed discussion | 16:49 |
| aglarendil | this freezes all the common rabbitmqctl operations | 16:49 |
| vkozhukalov | let's make it more abstract | 16:50 |
| vkozhukalov | we have 10 minutes | 16:50 |
| aglarendil | #link https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rabbitmq-users/f5pVGtR5ct0 | 16:50 |
| angdraug | aglarendil: please add all these details to your commit message :) | 16:50 |
| aglarendil | here is a link to discussion | 16:50 |
| aglarendil | angdraug: I will | 16:50 |
| angdraug | lets move on | 16:50 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic galera improvements status | 16:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "galera improvements status (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:50 | |
| aglarendil | I will talk | 16:51 |
| aglarendil | I and holser finished work on galera improvements | 16:51 |
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| aglarendil | currently we are testing a fix for a small bug | 16:51 |
| aglarendil | also these improvements allow for parallel deployment of controllers | 16:51 |
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| aglarendil | we are running bvt tests now | 16:52 |
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| aglarendil | if they pass - we will be able to extend CI tests | 16:52 |
| xarses | as of yesterday fuel-library master and 340 is, galera still has assembly issues. I had several controllers fail in making mysql work | 16:52 |
| aglarendil | to run all the controllers | 16:52 |
| aglarendil | xarses: there is an ubuntu issue | 16:52 |
| aglarendil | let me show a link | 16:52 |
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| aglarendil | xarses: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1347007 | 16:53 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1347007 in fuel "Pacemaker cannot assemble Galera Cluster on Ubuntu" [High,In progress] | 16:53 |
| aglarendil | xarses: fix is being tested | 16:53 |
| aglarendil | after that we will do what you want by CI coverage and decrease deployment time drastically | 16:53 |
| aglarendil | I am done | 16:53 |
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| vkozhukalov | great | 16:54 |
| vkozhukalov | thanx a lot aglarendil | 16:54 |
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| vkozhukalov | #topic Third Party CI testing | 16:54 |
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| xarses | We need to have CI bots for integration like MLNX, NSX, or vCenter which we cant do with our current jenkins slaves, there have been a couple of changes that I'm hesitant to review, or know would break these components, but we don't have the CI to show that it's a problem. I propose that we start setting up CI bots to do basic tests so that we can ensure that we don't introduce large breakages with each commit. | 16:54 |
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| vkozhukalov | what they are supposed to look like? i mean ci bots | 16:56 |
| vkozhukalov | is there kinda scheme how it is supposed to work? | 16:56 |
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| vkozhukalov | flow etc. | 16:56 |
| xarses | like what we see in openstack projects like vmware minesweeper | 16:56 |
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| nurla | but some features are require specific hardware, we may check only regression for third party components | 16:57 |
| xarses | they attach to gerrit triggers and post voting, or non-voting reviews | 16:57 |
| vkozhukalov | ok, i just did not see them | 16:57 |
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| vkozhukalov | is there email discussion for that? | 16:58 |
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| xarses | nurla thats the point of why they need to be "third party" bots, in that we know they run in the required environment | 16:58 |
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| xarses | vkozhukalov: no, there is no ML thread yet | 16:58 |
| aglarendil | we have not time, let's start an ML thread | 16:58 |
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| xarses | yes, will do | 16:59 |
| vkozhukalov | aglarendil: +1 | 16:59 |
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| vkozhukalov | thanx everyone | 16:59 |
| vkozhukalov | great meeting | 16:59 |
| vkozhukalov | closing | 16:59 |
| aglarendil | bye | 16:59 |
| vkozhukalov | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 24 16:59:36 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-07-24-16.01.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-07-24-16.01.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-07-24-16.01.log.html | 16:59 |
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| hyakuhei | sup! | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | hola | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | #startmeeting openstack security group | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 24 17:01:16 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 17:01 |
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| nkinder | hey all | 17:01 |
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| hyakuhei | Lets start with a roundtable :) | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | Rollcall even | 17:01 |
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| tmcpeak | \o | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | man. this is going to be a long meeting ;) | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | o/ | 17:01 |
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| nkinder | \o/ | 17:02 |
| mxin_ | Michael from Rackspace is here. | 17:02 |
| bdpayne | o/ | 17:02 |
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| mxin_ | how are you all? | 17:02 |
| sicarie | o/ | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | oh hey mxin_ - nice to see a racker here | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | hey Michael | 17:02 |
| tkelsey | hi all | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | hi sicarie where are you joining us from? | 17:02 |
| bdpayne | Perhaps hyakuhei was thinking of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfGpVcdqeS0 | 17:03 |
| sicarie | hp | 17:03 |
| mxin_ | I have some urgent stuff to take care. will be back later. Sorry | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | ok cool, welcome clouddon | 17:03 |
| clouddon | i | 17:03 |
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| clouddon | Morning Rob. CloudDon == Sriramhere, FYI | 17:04 |
| clouddon | how are you all doing? | 17:04 |
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| tmcpeak | pretty good, you? | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | Good, we're just giving it a minute or two to let people filter in and doing a bit of a rollcall | 17:04 |
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| tmcpeak | looks like we're losing more than we're picking up :) | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | ok, so I guess we'll get rolling, what's the agenda for today? | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | Obviously I want to talk about the OSSG Meetup | 17:05 |
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| tmcpeak | bug filing for the gate test stuff | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | please | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | maybe nkinder or you can take it if I happen to be in demo when that comes up | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | Good call, what elese? | 17:06 |
| nkinder | tmcpeak: sure thing | 17:06 |
| clouddon | Speaker submissions for the summit | 17:06 |
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| nkinder | current OSSN status | 17:06 |
| nkinder | threat modeling outcomes with regards to keystone trusts | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | +2 | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | Great. | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | or +1,+1 | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | So I just want to reiterate my thanks to everyone that came to the meetup | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | yeah great stuff! thanks for hosting | 17:07 |
| nkinder | +1 I think it was a great get-together | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | I think it was a great success, we achieved a hell of a lot in the time available | 17:07 |
| bdpayne | indeed! | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | 60+ bugs against the security guide, several changes already through the process | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | ~3 New OSSNs | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | Threat Analysis progress | 17:08 |
| clouddon | yippeee, thanks to Rob and HP for hosting this. From my side, I apologize for not being able to hang out for the evening events. | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | and the gate test // Bandit stuff was awesome | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | 25 bugs | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | clouddon: You came for the free beer as I recall ;) | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | ~25 | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | It was my pleasure to host so many awesome people in the same place. | 17:09 |
| clouddon | only one evening. Wish i gave you company all the evneings | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | Well, we appreciate you making the time. | 17:09 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: do you plan to write up a summary for the mailing list so those that couldn't attend know what we accomplished? | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:09 |
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| hyakuhei | I do, I intended to do it on the flight but I've been quite unwell | 17:09 |
| tkelsey | +1 | 17:09 |
| nkinder | :( | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | I will endavour to get something out tomorrow | 17:10 |
| bdpayne | uh oh, I hope I'm not responsible for that | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | I'm really proud of what we achieved, I want some content putting in the OpenStack newsletter too | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | bdpayne = plague master | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | ;) | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | bdpayne: Germ warfare between OpenStack vendors :( | 17:10 |
| clouddon | this is where everyone 'hides' | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | heh | 17:10 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: I have some summary stuff written up too, but don't want to steal your thunder :) | 17:10 |
| bdpayne | heh, sorry! | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: Yeah I've already done an internal one, I'll get something out tomorrow | 17:11 |
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| nkinder | hyakuhei: cool, I'll chime if there's anything I have to add | 17:11 |
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| hyakuhei | Great. | 17:11 |
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| hyakuhei | ok, so lets work through the agenda. I'll skip going into more depth on the meet-up - email to follow | 17:12 |
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| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: Go first | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | can you take over for me? | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | demo imminent | 17:12 |
| nkinder | heh, ok | 17:12 |
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| nkinder | # Gate Tests | 17:12 |
| nkinder | let's try that again | 17:12 |
| nkinder | #topic Gate Tests | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Gate Tests | 17:13 |
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| nkinder | thanks, I'm powerless... :) | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | powar! | 17:13 |
| nkinder | How has the filing of issues we found with the hacking tests going? | 17:13 |
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| hyakuhei | So not many have been filed ye | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | *yet | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | the google dock is largely complete. | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | I have on I'll work on but haven't had time | 17:14 |
| nkinder | I know that tmcpeak was able ot get one of the glance shell injection isues actually fixed and merged, which is awesome! | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | Though some are missing, I've deconflicted a few | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | *one | 17:14 |
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| tmcpeak | nkinder: thanks for the help! | 17:14 |
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| nkinder | hyakuhei: did you scan through and vet any of the issues after the mid-cycle? | 17:15 |
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| hyakuhei | nkinder: A few repetitions and one or two non-issues | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | but largely the list was good | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | Those writing up the bugs will be expected to do a bit of verification though | 17:16 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: ok, I see you have them divided between "bug" and "discuss" | 17:16 |
| nkinder | ok, so the right approach here is to divide and conquer IMHO | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah, so not all of them (by any means) are clear vulnerabilities | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:17 |
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| bdpayne | is there a link to this doc that is sharable? | 17:17 |
| bdpayne | or are you keeping it private for now? | 17:17 |
| nkinder | tmcpeak: which one(s) were you planning on looking at? | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder: I'll take the injection ones | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | It is editable by anyone wit hthe link | 17:18 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: it's public, but security by obscurity right now... | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder: trace through the code, etc | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | for starters | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | I think Jason was looking at one also | 17:18 |
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| hyakuhei | I don't think there were any showstopping vulnerabilities in there? | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: nope | 17:18 |
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| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: none warranting OSSA status | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | IMO | 17:18 |
| chair6 | *waves*, sorry late | 17:18 |
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| nkinder | chair6: hey! | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | chair6: hola | 17:19 |
| bdpayne | ok, well I'm happy to help if someone is willing to share the info... but perhaps you guys have it all covered? | 17:19 |
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| hyakuhei | So I have no issue with making it more widely available | 17:19 |
| nkinder | I can take care of the insecure tmpfile ones | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | bdpayne: could always use the help | 17:19 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: just shared it with you out of band | 17:19 |
| bdpayne | ok, thanks | 17:19 |
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| tmcpeak | somebody needs to evangelize the getting rid of crap versions of SSL one | 17:20 |
| nkinder | tmcpeak: you mean the md5 ones? | 17:20 |
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| tmcpeak | nkinder: no the getting rid of SSL 2.3 support | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | if we're still doing that | 17:20 |
| nkinder | tmcpeak: oh, yes | 17:20 |
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| nkinder | should we fill in assignees on the google doc? | 17:21 |
| nkinder | seems like a good idea to avoid stepping on each other | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder: definitely, repeated effort is bad | 17:21 |
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| hyakuhei | My intention was that people would add their names to them and pick them up ad-hoc | 17:21 |
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| hyakuhei | ie, before they wrote the bug | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | but I'm happy to carve it up too | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | sicarie: fancy taking a few? | 17:22 |
| nkinder | Just added my name ot the tmpfile ones | 17:22 |
| sicarie | Absolutely | 17:22 |
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| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: I'll take all shell injection ones | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: probably some economy of scale to be had by taking all of one class of bug | 17:22 |
| nkinder | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah I'm fine with that, thanks for taking it on! | 17:23 |
| nkinder | ok, let's see how far we can get by next week on these | 17:23 |
| nkinder | other gate test topics... | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | sounds good | 17:23 |
| bdpayne | for row 3, is there anything more specific (ref to line of code)? | 17:23 |
| nkinder | chair6 is working on getting bandit licensed | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | bdpayne: pan right? | 17:24 |
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| nkinder | bdpayne: we can re-run the scan and add it in | 17:24 |
| bdpayne | ok | 17:24 |
| bdpayne | not sure what pan is | 17:24 |
| chair6 | yup, licensing is in progress .. shouldn't be too far off | 17:24 |
| chair6 | i'm hoping to get it done by tomorrow, but if not will clean it up when back from vacation | 17:25 |
| nkinder | So once bandit is licensed, we can start looking at how to get it running for Keystone as non-voting | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | bdpayne: Thought you were referring to the google doc - nvm | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: excellent! | 17:25 |
| nkinder | I'm happy to work on that, though I'll be out next week | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | +1 bandit is the way to go | 17:26 |
| nkinder | I'll see how far I get on it this week | 17:26 |
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| nkinder | We still need to compare bandit vs. hacking tests too | 17:26 |
| nkinder | Just to see if there are any differences in what they find | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah, we never looked at the bandit output iirc | 17:26 |
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| tmcpeak | long goal should probably be bandit, it's more thorough | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | Will be interesting for finding gaps | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:27 |
| bdpayne | hyakuhei I was/am, but still don't know what "pan | 17:27 |
| nkinder | Well, we also never added tests for a few things (like the 0.0.0.0 checks) | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | Though I think we're all agreed | 17:27 |
| bdpayne | "pan" is ;-) | 17:27 |
| bdpayne | oh well | 17:27 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: I'm confused too :) | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | bdpayne: the doc has line pointers if you scroll right ? | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | pan == scroll | 17:27 |
| nkinder | ah | 17:27 |
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| bdpayne | ohhh | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | ohhhh | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | need the translator in here | 17:27 |
| bdpayne | so this row is missing a reference in that col | 17:27 |
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| bdpayne | which is why I asked | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | :P | 17:27 |
| nkinder | ...must be a british thing ;) | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | Ah I schee, I thought you meant in general | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: so many things are! | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | ok, what's next? | 17:28 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: once the licensing is done, we should add the remaining tests to bandit | 17:28 |
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| nkinder | is anyone interested in writing one of those tests who hasn't written one for bandit before? | 17:28 |
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| sicarie | nkinder: yes | 17:29 |
| nkinder | it might produce some good feedback about bandit | 17:29 |
| nkinder | sicarie: great! | 17:29 |
| nkinder | sicarie: so the 0.0.0.0 hacking test is definitely a gap | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: yup I'd like to write a few | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | I'll pitch in too | 17:29 |
| sicarie | nkinder: cool, I can take that | 17:29 |
| nkinder | I *think* we caught most of the others | 17:29 |
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| hyakuhei | What's the IPv6 for 0.0.0.0 ::: ? | 17:29 |
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| nkinder | hyakuhei: I don't know that there is an equivalent | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | ::0 | 17:30 |
| nkinder | 0.0.0.0 applies to v4 and v6 families | 17:30 |
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| nkinder | at least from a socket interface | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | Internet say's its :: | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | Wow, this "google" thing is awesome! | 17:31 |
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| nkinder | we should see how the socket interface works with that | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah | 17:31 |
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| nkinder | since family specifies what families to listen on, and 0.0.0.0 will listen on v6 as well as v4 | 17:31 |
| nkinder | the same might be true of :: | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | ok finally demo time | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | brb | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | So I want to do some validation on SSL3.0 and what, if anything really needs it. I suspect the list is very small. | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | good luck tmcpeak | 17:31 |
| nkinder | I don't have anything more on gate tests for now | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | ok, wanna talk about OSSN while you have the floor? | 17:32 |
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| nkinder | hyakuhei: sure, please change the topic o powerful one | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | #topic OSSN: OpenStack Security Notes | 17:33 |
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| nkinder | We have 3 new notes in flight, which is awesome | 17:33 |
| nkinder | 0020, 0021, and 0022 | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | Need moar | 17:33 |
| nkinder | I believe 0022 is in need of review (it was updated this morning) | 17:33 |
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| nkinder | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108349 | 17:33 |
| nkinder | the other two need updates by the authors (stan and priti) | 17:34 |
| bdpayne | I'll do a review pass on 0022 | 17:34 |
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| nkinder | hyakuhei: there is that private issue that might turn into an OSSN in the works | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | I'll poke stan. | 17:34 |
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| hyakuhei | Yeah I can see that hapenning | 17:35 |
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| viraptor | I'll get mine updated today | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | ok, so we talked about ways to generate more OSSNs - any more thoughts on that? | 17:35 |
| nkinder | one other potentially good one is related to a bug I've been helping with | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | viraptor: thanks! | 17:35 |
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| nkinder | https://review.openstack.org/101792 | 17:36 |
| nkinder | this is the keystone client password logging issue | 17:36 |
| nkinder | debug logging logs entire requests, including passwords | 17:36 |
| bdpayne | sorry if I'm slow to the game here, but I'm pretty shocked that OSSN-0022 isn't a CVE | 17:36 |
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| hyakuhei | It's because it's a wierd mode of operaiton I think | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | Start a stopped instance with soft-reboot call | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | iirc | 17:38 |
| bdpayne | sure, but... ugh | 17:38 |
| bdpayne | this is nasty | 17:38 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: there's some background discussion on that decision in the bug | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | Though I'd agree that anything that breaks the ACLs that didn't come from a 'please break my ACL' API call should be an OSSA/CVE | 17:38 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: it might be worth arguing the point further | 17:38 |
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| bdpayne | I'll look into the bug | 17:39 |
| bdpayne | thanks | 17:39 |
| bdpayne | I've reviewed the OSSN and it lgtm | 17:39 |
| bdpayne | (fyi) | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | dg__: we are just discussing your OSSN | 17:39 |
| dg__ | hey sorry I'm late | 17:39 |
| nkinder | dg__: I plan to review it this afternoon | 17:40 |
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| dg__ | nkinder thanks | 17:40 |
| nkinder | on the keystoneclient password logging one, what do others think about a note advising about it? | 17:40 |
| nkinder | this isn't a huge concern for a normal client, but it's pretty ugly if Horizon has debug logging on | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: I'll look now | 17:41 |
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| nkinder | debug logging in Horizon will then show the requests it makes to keystone with passwords for users | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | dg__: reviewed your OSSN | 17:41 |
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| nkinder | It's being fixed in the client now, but it's probably worth mentioning to recommend updating the client for older releases | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | I didn't think we were doing OSSNs for client side logging ? I'm happy for that not to be the case but I thought that was the precedent | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | back | 17:42 |
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| dg__ | hyakuhei thanks, I'll fix the line lengths | 17:43 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: client-side logging in this case is Horizon though | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | Ah ok | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah that sounds bad. | 17:43 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: if you and I log into Horizon, the Horizon admin might have debug logging on which contains our passwords | 17:43 |
| nkinder | ok, I'll create an ossn bug for it | 17:44 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: please add an #action for me | 17:44 |
| tkelsey | I can pick up that new OSSN if people want | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | #action nkinder to create an OSSN for https://review.openstack.org/101792 | 17:44 |
| nkinder | tkelsey: sure | 17:44 |
| nkinder | tkelsey: I've been working on the bug and unit tests for it | 17:45 |
| nkinder | tkelsey: so I can answer any questions for you | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | Great stuff! | 17:45 |
| tkelsey | nkinder: cool, I'll contact you for details | 17:45 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: for identifying new OSSNs, we discussed using SecurityImpact reviews to find issues | 17:45 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: We talked about a sub-team that is responsible for reviews | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah, is there a nice way to see a list of all gerrit items with certain tags? | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | I assume there is | 17:46 |
| nkinder | I haven't had a chance to follow up and investigate that yet | 17:46 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: You can add an action for me to look into that | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | Would be good to have over 30 by the summit - I think that should be doable | 17:46 |
| nkinder | Once we have a list, we can craft an e-mail with the responsibilities for the sub-team | 17:47 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: over 30 notes? | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | #action nkinder to investigate ways of identifying all the 'security impact' bugs | 17:47 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: that should be no problem | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: yup | 17:47 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: ok, that's it on notes from me | 17:47 |
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| hyakuhei | ok, what else did we have to discuss? | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Other business | 17:48 |
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| dg__ | hyakuhei can we add a gate test for line lenght on OSSNs? | 17:48 |
| dg__ | also, I fixed the line length on ossn-22, please review | 17:48 |
| bdpayne | I have a few words on the book | 17:48 |
| bdpayne | Is now good? | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | We don't have any gate tests for OSSNs at the moment but yeah that would be high on the list dg__ | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | bdpayne: go ahead | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | #topic security guide | 17:49 |
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| bdpayne | Coming out of the meetup last week, we have lots of bugs filed on the book. Many of the smaller changes are being plucked off by various people, which is great. | 17:50 |
| bdpayne | Moving forward, I'd like to put together a bit of a roadmap about how we want the book to shape up. | 17:50 |
| bdpayne | There are some larger questions about content, organization, release schedule, etc. | 17:50 |
| bdpayne | We didn't really get a chance to flush this out last week, which is fine. | 17:50 |
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| bdpayne | So... what I'd like to do is to get more people familiar with the book project by working on the open bugs. | 17:51 |
| * nkinder back | 17:51 | |
| bdpayne | And I can put together a strawman proposal for longer term thinking. | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah, a big discussion should be around if we branch with release cycles | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | bdpayne: sounds good | 17:51 |
| bdpayne | Then I'll open that strawman up for larger group comment / review. | 17:51 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: yeah, a book v2.0 plan would be a good idea | 17:51 |
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| bdpayne | There's a lot of moving pieces, so I think this is a reasonable approach. | 17:51 |
| bdpayne | But if anyone wants to be engaged with this from the earliest stages, then please just drop me a line. | 17:52 |
| bdpayne | Also... | 17:52 |
| bdpayne | I received some questions around what it takes to be listed on the authors list | 17:52 |
| dg__ | bdpayne happy to pick up some of those bugs | 17:52 |
| bdpayne | This is an open question | 17:52 |
| bdpayne | And something that we should be thinking about | 17:52 |
| bdpayne | beyond that, thanks to everyone for pushing the book ahead nicely last week | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah, so there's probably a difference between contributors and authors | 17:52 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: yeah, that seems like a difficult thing to define | 17:52 |
| bdpayne | we're getting lots of nice changes! | 17:53 |
| bdpayne | we have lots of new contributors as well | 17:53 |
| bdpayne | which is great stuff | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | Most of the authors listed wrote one or more entire chapters | 17:53 |
| bdpayne | yeah, I think the bar should be set to something similar to what the initial authors did | 17:53 |
| bdpayne | just need to define that formally | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | I think that's a reasonable bar at which to be an author, changes and paragrphas here and there are probably contributors | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | At the discression of bdpayne of course. | 17:54 |
| bdpayne | heh | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | I.E if someone writes a shed load of content for every chapter they should probably be an author | 17:54 |
| bdpayne | 1 beer == contributor, 6 beers == author, etc | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | bdpayne: +1 | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | Ok guys, last 5 minutes | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | sounds good | 17:54 |
| bdpayne | that's all I have on the book | 17:54 |
| nkinder | I'd quickly like to say a few things about threat modelling of keystone trusts | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Other business | 17:55 |
| nkinder | We identified 2 threat scenarios last week | 17:55 |
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| hyakuhei | go ahead nkinder | 17:55 |
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| nkinder | I've written unit tests to cover those here - https://review.openstack.org/109120 | 17:55 |
| nkinder | additional reviews from OSSG folks would be appreciated | 17:55 |
| nkinder | Also related, I sent an e-mail out to the dev list yesterday about adding some additional limits to trusts | 17:56 |
| hyakuhei | #action hyakuhei to review https://review.openstack.org/109120 | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder: what about limiting trust delegations to prevent resource exhaustion attacks? | 17:56 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: I didn't see it... | 17:56 |
| nkinder | no, not resource exhaustion | 17:56 |
| nkinder | it's to hve liites on how long a trust can be valid for at a global level | 17:57 |
| nkinder | this would be one way of preventing a permanent backdoor for a compromised account | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | I know that one, we have the OSSN on it | 17:57 |
| nkinder | s/liites/limits/ | 17:57 |
| nkinder | that's not the only reason, but it's related to that OSSN | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | but if there is no limiting and they never expire then you could eventually exhaust resources, clog up the DB, etc | 17:57 |
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| nkinder | ideally, role based limits could be set to put a cap on delegation | 17:58 |
| nkinder | right now, it's up to the user to cap a trust (and everyone can put no expiration on it) | 17:58 |
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| nkinder | the discussion is here - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/040944.ht | 17:59 |
| nkinder | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/040944.html | 17:59 |
| nkinder | not truncated this time :P | 17:59 |
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| nkinder | ok, that's all from me | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak | ahh cool | 17:59 |
| hyakuhei | Great, thanks for the link nkinder | 17:59 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, that's time people! Thank you everyone! | 18:00 |
| tmcpeak | thanks everyone | 18:00 |
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| clouddon | bye all | 18:00 |
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| clouddon | thanks | 18:00 |
| tkelsey | thanks all | 18:00 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| bdpayne | cya | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 24 18:00:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-07-24-17.01.html | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-07-24-17.01.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-07-24-17.01.log.html | 18:00 |
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| nkinder | thanks! | 18:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ping sahara folks! | 18:01 |
| sreshetnyak | pong :) | 18:01 |
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| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o SergeyLukjanov | 18:01 | |
| *** SergeyLukjanov changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:01 | |
| aignatov | o/ | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ErikB, NikitaKonovalov, RobLevas, SergeyLukjanov, aignatov, alazarev, bob_nettleton, crobertsrh, dmitryme, elmiko, jspeidel, mattf, skostiuchenko, sreshetnyak, tellesnobrega, themistymay, tmckay, tosky, ylobankov, ping | 18:02 |
| crobertsrh | Hello/ | 18:02 |
| tosky | pong | 18:02 |
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| alazarev | o/ | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 18:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 24 18:03:22 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:03 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, you have a separated topic ;) | 18:03 |
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| ylobankov | hello | 18:03 |
| crobertsrh | aww, ok | 18:04 |
| mattf | hiya | 18:04 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info Juno 2 released | 18:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tag to sahara has been pushed yesterday | 18:04 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and I've pushed tags to -dashboard, elements and extra right before the meeting | 18:04 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://launchpad.net/sahara/+milestone/juno-2 | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, congratulations folks! | 18:05 |
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| mattf | yay! | 18:05 |
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| tmckay | here | 18:06 |
| aignatov | hurrah! | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any news/updates folks? | 18:06 |
| tmckay | working on my spec so much I forgot the meeting | 18:06 |
| tmckay | yes, update: | 18:06 |
| sreshetnyak | I'm working on CDH plugin | 18:06 |
| alazarev | I was busy implementing https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sahara/+spec/cluster-secgroups | 18:06 |
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| tmckay | spark edp initial impl is done, just needs unit tests (and maybe integration tests?) Working on a detailed spec now, should be posted today | 18:07 |
| alazarev | patch is ready, will commit today | 18:07 |
| aignatov | I’ve started working on moving rest samples to the docs but realised that all of them are in the rest api v1.0 v1.1 pages | 18:07 |
| tosky | I have a fix for sahara-image-elements blocked in savanna-ci because of failing jobs (I think mostly timeouts) | 18:07 |
| ylobankov | I am working on tests in tempest style | 18:07 |
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| aignatov | so i’ve decided just to updated current rest api items in all docs | 18:07 |
| tosky | also, anyone for HWX around? One of the ambari repository used by dib elements is still not working | 18:07 |
| aignatov | and add new ones woth more examples | 18:07 |
| sreshetnyak | also, I'm working on various minor changes | 18:07 |
| tmckay | I have a question about integration tests for Spark. Essentially, should we have them? :) There are no spark cluster tests yet, afaik | 18:07 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ylobankov, could you please help tosky with searching the reason of failing jobs on his commit? | 18:08 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, we need to have itests for spark too | 18:08 |
| ylobankov | yes, of course | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, otherwise we'll break it :) | 18:09 |
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| tosky | ylobankov: thanks | 18:09 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, okay, I'll make a blueprint for it | 18:09 |
| tmckay | news, I have a flight and hotel for OSS :) | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, cool! | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, and I have France VISA that ends Nov 1 ;) | 18:09 |
| tmckay | hmm, seems too short | 18:10 |
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| crobertsrh | I guess we'll miss you there SergeyLukjanov :) | 18:10 |
| tmckay | is mattf here? | 18:10 |
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| mattf | hi hi | 18:10 |
| mattf | you rang? | 18:11 |
| tmckay | hey. I was going to raise your spec suggestion, but if you're here ... | 18:11 |
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| mattf | oh, i'll take that off-line for a bit | 18:11 |
| tmckay | ok | 18:11 |
| mattf | tmckay, thanks for the reminder tho | 18:11 |
| tmckay | np | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oops :) | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic sahara-dashboard @ horizon status (croberts) | 18:12 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, please :) | 18:12 |
| * mattf gets ready to cheer | 18:12 | |
| crobertsrh | Good news....about 27 min ago, the last of the horizon merge patches finally merged! | 18:12 |
| mattf | w00t! | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | [21:44:58] <openstackgerrit> A change was merged to openstack/horizon: Adding Job Binaries panel for Sahara https://review.openstack.org/91091 | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | [21:45:03] <openstackgerrit> A change was merged to openstack/horizon: Adding Jobs and Job Executions panels for Sahara https://review.openstack.org/91118 | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yay! | 18:12 |
| crobertsrh | Is now a bad time to propose pulling our dashboard from horizon?? :) | 18:12 |
| aignatov | wohoooo! | 18:12 |
| aignatov | awesome news | 18:13 |
| mattf | now's a great time to discuss pulling our dashboard | 18:13 |
| mattf | -1 from me | 18:13 |
| tmckay | good time to add Spark job type form | 18:13 |
| crobertsrh | absolutely, tmckay | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yeah, I think that we'll be able to land all rest fixes to horizon before J release | 18:13 |
| tmckay | crobertsrh, I should have something written up about that soon | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and some additional features like Spark support | 18:14 |
| mattf | crobertsrh, please send our thanks to the horizon folks for consuming the large merge | 18:14 |
| crobertsrh | Yes. All the fixes should make it. They are small and mostly +1 or +2 already. I've got some other items on my list too. | 18:14 |
| crobertsrh | mattf: Yes....will do. I suspect that I'll have a few drinks to buy in Paris. | 18:14 |
| tmckay | do they drink there? | 18:15 |
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| mattf | tmckay, wine only, le sigh | 18:15 |
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| tmckay | lol | 18:15 |
| crobertsrh | Side note for dashboard stuff.....I'm slated to have a few weeks off starting around August 15th (baby coming). Is there anyone else that is planning to do dashboard work for juno? | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, thank you for continuously pushing sahara dash to horizon! | 18:16 |
| tmckay | not me, I'd likely break it | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, I think NikitaKonovalov could take it for a few weeks | 18:17 |
| crobertsrh | I am striving to have bugs/specs/blueprints written up as much as possible. Hopefully, there won't be too much to do other than write a bunch of simple UI code :) | 18:17 |
| alazarev | crobertsrh: I’ll take care of my staff and coming security groups | 18:17 |
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| crobertsrh | Great, thanks alazarev! | 18:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | okay, anything else re dashboard? | 18:18 |
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| crobertsrh | Nothing from me. I'm going to have a celebratory beverage now :) | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info crobertsrh will have a few weeks off starting around August 15th | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, :) | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 18:19 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #action SergeyLukjanov to create bp with steps to enable heat be default | 18:19 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #action SergeyLukjanov to create bp about removing/hiding username@image for heat based provisioning | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any other big topics to discuss today? | 18:20 |
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| elmiko | i have a few minor questions about the JobExecution data model | 18:20 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 18:21 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, you're welcome | 18:21 |
| tmckay | ah yes, crobertsrh, we wanted to look into making job name available from job execution, remember? | 18:21 |
| crobertsrh | Yes, that is desired for: https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1342293 | 18:21 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1342293 in horizon "[data processing] Make the job executions page more useful" [Wishlist,New] | 18:21 |
| tmckay | and maybe cluster name? or some other stuff, so you don't have to make double requests | 18:21 |
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| crobertsrh | oooh, fancy uvirtbot...thanks | 18:22 |
| tmckay | easiest way is to add relation in job execution to job object | 18:22 |
| tmckay | but that's a data model change | 18:22 |
| elmiko | currently, we use the job_configs column in JobExecution to store the swift credentials, i was going to add a column for the trust id associated with a JobExecution, would it be appropriate to use job_configs instead? | 18:22 |
| tmckay | elmiko, we've put a lot of stuff in job_configs or extra to save migrations | 18:23 |
| tmckay | I think it's fine to put it in configs or extra | 18:23 |
| elmiko | tmckay: that's what i figured | 18:23 |
| tmckay | fewer migrations is better | 18:23 |
| elmiko | it actually makes my job easier :) | 18:23 |
| tmckay | ack, I just crammed some stuff in extra for spark ;-) | 18:24 |
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| alazarev | do we really want to use extra? | 18:25 |
| elmiko | sounds like a good place to stuff the job/cluster name? | 18:25 |
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| alazarev | I don’t like how we use it now | 18:25 |
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| elmiko | alazarev: should i create a new column? | 18:25 |
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| alazarev | in cluster extra is reserved for plugins data, in jobs engine uses it, need more consistency | 18:25 |
| alazarev | elmiko: for cluster I was told to add new columns for all engine data | 18:26 |
| tmckay | extra is used for neutron info in job executions currently | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, but often it's the only way to support different engines/plugins | 18:26 |
| tmckay | I stored a spark path there | 18:26 |
| elmiko | alazarev: i need a place to store the trust id associated with each job execution, would it be preferable to make this a column? | 18:26 |
| tmckay | for edp engine stuff, we could go extra.engine_name.stuff | 18:27 |
| tmckay | and make it formal | 18:27 |
| tmckay | elmiko, only execs that use swift will need it, so it at the very least needs to be nullable | 18:27 |
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| elmiko | tmckay: definitely | 18:27 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, for trusts it sounds like it doesn't depend on any engine/plugin | 18:28 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: correct, only depends on swift usage | 18:28 |
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| tmckay | true. We can add a column, I'm okay with that. | 18:28 |
| alazarev | +1 on column | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but w/o swift it's not needed | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | at least atm | 18:28 |
| aignatov | SergeyLukjanov: it depends on data source actually as tmckay said above | 18:28 |
| tmckay | question about compat -> if you upgrade, and you have old objects in the db with swift credentials, will we still run them? or reject them? | 18:28 |
| alazarev | about columns - we really need to orginize them, number of columns in each objest grows | 18:29 |
| elmiko | tmckay: that's a really good question, and it goes towards backward compatibility. i made an explicit note in the spec about ensuring there are no job executions when the database migration is performed | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, we should save backward compat here | 18:30 |
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| tmckay | elmiko, I guess the question is, will you be able to use old data source objects that have swift creds in them? Just use a trust id, and ignore them? | 18:30 |
| aignatov | elmiko: old ones job executions shoudl be supported aftre upgrade | 18:30 |
| elmiko | tmckay: yes | 18:30 |
| tmckay | ok. The only way to use old job executions is with relaunch | 18:31 |
| elmiko | aignatov, SergeyLukjanov, supporting old JobExecution's means keeping credentials stored inthe db | 18:31 |
| tmckay | and that's a feature of the UI, not Sahara api itself | 18:31 |
| aignatov | elmiko: obly for old ones, we cann’t do anything with it | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, only for old job executions | 18:31 |
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| aignatov | if we wants to keep backward | 18:31 |
| aignatov | compat | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, upgrading with removing entites from db is a very bad solution | 18:32 |
| tmckay | I think old job executions are not an issue. | 18:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, yup | 18:32 |
| sreshetnyak | cluster object has already trust_id column | 18:32 |
| elmiko | sreshetnyak: this is for JobExecution | 18:32 |
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| elmiko | we need a new trust for each job that includes swift sources | 18:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, hm, what's about case when we'll have two different swift data sources for input and output? | 18:33 |
| aignatov | do a trusts have expiration timeouts? | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, will we need to store two trust_ids | 18:33 |
| elmiko | aignatov: they can | 18:33 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: correct, we need the cluster trust id for transient stuff _and_ we will need trusts for any job that requires swift access | 18:34 |
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| aignatov | so, for example cluster has infinite expiration date for trust…. could be reusable for job_executions? | 18:34 |
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| elmiko | it makes more sense to me if we store the job execution trusts with those objects | 18:34 |
| tmckay | elmiko, but potentially 1 trust for input and 1 for output if they are from different swifts | 18:34 |
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| elmiko | tmckay: not necessarily, it depends how the swift objects are scoped in keystone | 18:35 |
| tmckay | ok. | 18:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, they aren't scoped AFAIK | 18:35 |
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| elmiko | aignatov: the trusts we establish might be different tenants | 18:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, yup | 18:36 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: well, for example, if a user wants to start a new job with swift objects, and the swift objects exist in a different tenant, then the trust would need to be scoped to that tenant | 18:36 |
| alazarev | tmckay: we don’t support different swifts | 18:36 |
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| elmiko | by moving to the trust based system it's possible that we could support swift containers in other tenants | 18:37 |
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| elmiko | mainly becuase we will need to be using swift's storageURL to access those objects | 18:37 |
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| elmiko | so... what's the group opinion on adding a new column to JobExecution for the swift trust id? | 18:40 |
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| tmckay | okay with me | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'm mostly ok with it | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, but I have concern that it could be several trust_id | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, like one for input and another for output | 18:41 |
| tmckay | could be a json dictionary type, like configs | 18:42 |
| tmckay | then you can store a whole bunch with keys | 18:42 |
| crobertsrh | I think it seems like the right thing to do, even if there winds-up being multiple values in there. | 18:42 |
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| elmiko | ok, so maybe more like what we've done with job_configs? | 18:42 |
| tmckay | yeah, just a single level dictionary | 18:42 |
| tmckay | no nesting | 18:42 |
| tmckay | "whatever_id": "value" | 18:43 |
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| elmiko | it could get really complicated to interleave the trust ids with the source objects if we start to get more than 1 entry for input and 1 for output | 18:43 |
| tmckay | hmmm | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, it sounds like adding the third extra field to job_exec | 18:44 |
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| elmiko | currently we only allow for 1 input and 1 output object? | 18:44 |
| aignatov | I have an idea, what if elmiko starts adding trust objects to current extra as a temporary approach | 18:44 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, almost. It could be a list, but then how do you know order? | 18:44 |
| tmckay | elmiko, yes | 18:45 |
| aignatov | we will see how it works and then move it to new column(s) if need | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, or we could use job_configs for it too | 18:45 |
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| elmiko | aignatov: i'm ok with that, it sounded like there was some difference of opinion on that though | 18:45 |
| elmiko | tmckay: so, currently, max we would need to store would be 2 ids | 18:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | in job_configs we currently have the following structure - https://github.com/openstack/sahara/blob/b2c393f752f7bdd4c789bb3a25e4b639869beeec/etc/rest-api-samples/edp/job_execute.json | 18:46 |
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| tmckay | but configs, args, and params all have specific meanings | 18:46 |
| tmckay | they're different | 18:46 |
| tmckay | not so crazy | 18:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | what's about adding some upper level field like "trusts" that will store trust ids for all data sources? | 18:47 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: within job_configs? | 18:47 |
| tmckay | I'd be okay with that | 18:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, yup | 18:47 |
| elmiko | ack | 18:47 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | because in fact this trusts are part of the job config :) | 18:47 |
| elmiko | agreed | 18:47 |
| aignatov | SergeyLukjanov: we could add separate table eventually like pool of trusts for different tenants | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any objections? | 18:48 |
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| aignatov | for whatever needs - killink transient cluster, or access to switft objects | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, we'll need to re-work the whole model eventually | 18:48 |
| aignatov | killnk -> killing :) | 18:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed add trusts under the upper level field to the job_configs | 18:49 |
| elmiko | ok, sounds good | 18:49 |
| sreshetnyak | agreed with SergeyLukjanov | 18:49 |
| aignatov | lgtm | 18:50 |
| alazarev | +1 | 18:50 |
| elmiko | and i'm assuming we will not print the trust ids on the rest calls? | 18:50 |
| tmckay | me too | 18:50 |
| elmiko | much like the username/password currently | 18:51 |
| tmckay | elmiko, is there a security reason not too? | 18:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, tmckay, yup | 18:51 |
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| tmckay | elmiko, okay, easy to filter. | 18:51 |
| tmckay | I can help you with that. | 18:51 |
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| elmiko | tmckay: off the top of my head, i don't think there is a risk, but i also don't see a reason why we would print them | 18:51 |
| tmckay | gotcha | 18:52 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | 7 mins left | 18:53 |
| elmiko | the trusts will be scoped to the proxy user, so you would need at minimum the trustee or trustor's auth token to do something useful with the trust id | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anything else to dicsuss? | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | how will attend the paris summit this november? | 18:53 |
| elmiko | o/ | 18:53 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | \o/ | 18:53 |
| aignatov | how or who? | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | who* | 18:54 |
| tmckay | me | 18:54 |
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| tmckay | crobertsrh too | 18:54 |
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| crobertsrh | I will be there, indeed | 18:54 |
| crobertsrh | Hopefully, everyone can make it for all 5 days this time :) | 18:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yeah, I hope so | 18:55 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | 2 mins left | 18:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | if there are no more q. I'm ending the meeting | 18:57 |
| crobertsrh | Nothing else from me | 18:57 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: may I suggest to introduce caching in your gate? It seems sahara-image-elements jobs are slowed because of slow download times | 18:57 |
| alazarev | I think I’ll attend too | 18:57 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, I'm not sure how it's actually working atm, I'll ping our folks tomorrow about it | 18:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 24 18:59:04 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-07-24-18.03.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-07-24-18.03.txt | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thank you folks! | 18:59 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: thanks | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-07-24-18.03.log.html | 18:59 |
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| elmiko | thanks | 18:59 |
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| aignatov | bye | 18:59 |
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