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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting nova | 13:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 7 13:59:28 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 13:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 13:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, 30 seconds early apparently | 13:59 |
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| johnthetubaguy | who is around for today's meeting? | 13:59 |
| * n0ano must wake up | 13:59 | |
| n0ano | o/ | 14:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we are going to try and go with a slightly different agenda for today's meeting | 14:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:00 |
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| bauzas | \o | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK.. a few more people joining now | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Juno-3 status | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Juno-3 status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:01 | |
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| dansmith | o/ | 14:01 |
| beagles | hi | 14:02 |
| alex_xu | hi | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we have Feature Proposal freeze fast approaching on August 21st and Feature Freeze on September 4th | 14:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | … but first spec exceptions | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | we have like four pending specs still | 14:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but really all spec exceptions have expired | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | so whats people thoughts about these specs? | 14:03 |
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| dansmith | I vote for not approving any more spec exceptions :) | 14:03 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: the spec exception period was conflicting with nova mid-cycle meetup | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | first API, I think mikal was planning a meeting to sort that, I haven't hurd anything though, dansmith any news? | 14:03 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: he sent a mail last night, nothing scheduled yet | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, OK, I should read my email better | 14:04 |
| n0ano | well, the scheduler DB isolation, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting, has one +2, only needs another +2 and we're working on it, I think it should be accepted | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: how is the ironic discussions going, I don't see an updated deprecation sepc | 14:04 |
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| n0ano | wrong link - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/85399/ | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | devananda: any news on the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95025/13/specs/juno/deprecate-baremetal-driver.rst,cm | 14:04 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: I talked with devananda yesterday, he's going to revise that soon | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK... | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: are you cool with the list on the agenda? I think thats what we agreed at the midcycle | 14:05 |
| bauzas | n0ano: still wrong link : Isolate-Sched-DB is https://review.openstack.org/89893 | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | API maybe, keystone was already merged, isolate-db, deprecate-baremetal | 14:05 |
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| dansmith | yeah | 14:05 |
| pkoniszewski | o/ | 14:05 |
| * n0ano I repeat - must wake up | 14:05 | |
| dansmith | cinderv2 merged last night, by the way | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: cool, thanks | 14:06 |
| dansmith | don't see that on this list, but I think we agreed that too, no? | 14:06 |
| dansmith | or maybe that was already in the list | 14:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: yeah, good point, I looked an unmerged ones about 15mins ago | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: it was on the other list at least | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: but yeah, agreed no more other than the above list | 14:06 |
| dansmith | cool, well was happy to see that go :) | 14:07 |
| mriedem | i'm sure thingee was too | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 14:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK… so I figure we should try and agree some review priorities | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | I tried to make a list of the top few blueprints to review: | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-juno-3-review-list | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | now, first things, dansmith: what are you thinking about objects and juno? | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | do we just draw a line under it, and mark them all as NeedsCodeReview for juno now? | 14:08 |
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| dansmith | what do you mean draw a line under it? | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | sorry, totally unclear... | 14:08 |
| dansmith | the objects patches move pretty quickly, so maybe just "good progress" or something? | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | are we ready to say, we have all the patches up for juno now? | 14:09 |
| dansmith | oh, no | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, OK, thats good new really, wasn't sure | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, maybe good progress is best | 14:09 |
| dansmith | they move quickly, so I'm constantly throwing more up and getting them reviewed | 14:09 |
| dansmith | plan to keep doing that until FF | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: sweet, makes sense | 14:10 |
| dansmith | cool | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: so reviewing those is at the top of the list, its imporant | 14:10 |
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| dansmith | woot :) | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, so we have a list now, there are four slots left, any suggestions on what needs to go in there (looking at medium priority stuff that has code up for review) | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/juno-3 | 14:11 |
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| russellb | i think to make this successful, people need to be tagged as reviewers | 14:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | russellb: so this probably comes on to another idea for ttx | 14:11 |
| russellb | i'm worried that just having a list doesn't do much | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | should we try to get people to sign up in pairs for all the days between now and FF? | 14:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | russellb: the hope is to focus all the reviews on the same subset of super important blueprints, but I get what you mean | 14:12 |
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| mriedem | when is FF again? | 14:12 |
| russellb | right, i get that | 14:12 |
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| dansmith | russellb: at the meetup, people asked for a top ten prioritization like this | 14:12 |
| dansmith | basically "what should I be reviewing" | 14:12 |
| toabctl | FF=feature freeze, I guess | 14:12 |
| mspreitz | What about https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1327406 ? It is a pretty small and simple thing, with a patch already having some approval | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info Feature Proposal Freeze August 21st, September 4th Juno-3, FF and SF | 14:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1327406 in nova "The One And Only network is variously visible" [Undecided,In progress] | 14:13 |
| russellb | so how about saying "here is a list a subset of the group thinks is important, would anyone like to sign up to reivew these to completion?" | 14:13 |
| PhilD | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/user-defined-shutdown for a slot ? | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | focusing on juno-3 blueprints just now | 14:13 |
| mriedem | FF is 9/4 https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 14:13 |
| mriedem | fyi | 14:13 |
| russellb | avoid things getting missed, or duplicated efforts | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | medium priority stuff first ideally | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | PhilD: its not all up for review yet though? still might get cut before FF | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | PhilD: want to focus review time on stuff we can complete first, there loads been up for review for a few months now | 14:14 |
| mriedem | mspreitz: we're talking about juno blueprint reviews, not bugs... | 14:14 |
| PhilD | The computer manager layer is all up for review | 14:14 |
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| PhilD | As discussed that would be worth landing on its own | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: back to your point, I like that idea | 14:14 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/isolate-scheduler-db is not triaged :) | 14:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | PhilD: Thats different then, maybe mark that is NeedsCodeReview, and drop the other stuff, and propose a reduction in the spec, then we raise the priority of it, maybe, just maybe | 14:15 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: I think just having the prioritized list is helpful, FWIW | 14:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so getting people signed up to reviews, are people wanting to sign up for specific days, or is that just impractical? | 14:16 |
| russellb | i think it's impractical | 14:16 |
| dansmith | yeah | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: maybe the signup is just additional, better to have something rather than nothing though, at least thats my feeling | 14:16 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: sure, doesn't hurt of course | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: dansmith: that was my thinking, I have no free days | 14:16 |
| russellb | i don't think that's how reviews should work, the same people should continue to follow up on the same thing | 14:16 |
| russellb | for the big stuff | 14:17 |
| russellb | you don't pass it around day to day | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: yeah, thats true, the per day thing only really works for the "little" bugs I guess | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, lets discount that for now | 14:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK... | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I vote we have a nova-drivers meeting to look at filling out this list: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-juno-3-review-list | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | does that make sense? | 14:19 |
| dansmith | sure, | 14:19 |
| dansmith | I think we discussed doing that anyway, and I think we can continue to revise the ordering as things get more or less likely to be ready | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | (we will make the time public, its just don't want to waste the time of the bigger group) | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, right now the list is a bit short, but the other stuff all seemed lower priority at this point | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK… | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more on Juno-3 status, mostly blueprint status? | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Bugs | 14:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link http://54.201.139.117/nova-bugs.html | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | Ok, no unassigned critical bugs | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | any other bugs people want to raise | 14:22 |
| * ttx lurks | 14:22 | |
| johnthetubaguy | not seen a list from tjones | 14:22 |
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| dansmith | she's been on vacation I think | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: ah, OK, not heard anything mikal wanted to raise either | 14:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so I guess we skip that for now | 14:23 |
| dansmith | I think the meetup led to a decision to close some old bugs, right? | 14:23 |
| mspreitz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1327406 | 14:23 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1327406 in nova "The One And Only network is variously visible" [Undecided,In progress] | 14:23 |
| dansmith | that would make looking at the list a lot easier | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: right, very good point | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | who was owned that task, can you remember | 14:23 |
| dansmith | I figured tjones, but I can try to catch up with her when she pops up and see | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | #action tjones: need to close out some old bugs so we can read the bug list, need to find out who is doing that | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: yeah, I guess | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Gate status | 14:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gate status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:24 | |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: hows we doing these days? | 14:24 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: quiet | 14:24 |
| mriedem | mspreitz: your patch needs a unit test | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess thats good | 14:25 |
| mriedem | quiet is good | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 14:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:25 | |
| mspreitz | I'll work on the unit test. How about some prioritization of the bug? | 14:25 |
| mriedem | mspreitz: there are like 1000 bugs | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | mspreitz: feel free to join the group and help with bug triage | 14:25 |
| mriedem | mspreitz: the only bugs that generally get high priority are the ones breaking the gate | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | mspreitz: there is a wiki on that, and a meeting run my tjones if you want to talk about that with the sub team | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | mspreitz: agreed its an issue though | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, so we are skipping the sub-team updates to help concentrage on juno-3 status more | 14:26 |
| mspreitz | wiki ref pls? | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | but if there is anything urgent then you can cover that here? | 14:27 |
| bauzas | about opens, was just wondering if there would be any design session planned for presenting elastic-recheck and how people could help ? | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-nova-mid-cycle-meetup | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | if you want to know what happened at the mid-cycle it was fun, notes are above ^ | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | mspreitz: looking | 14:27 |
| mriedem | mspreitz: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage | 14:27 |
| bauzas | most of the time, I'm unable to find out the correct Kibana query for checking if the bug is already known or not | 14:27 |
| mriedem | google \o/ | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | mspreitz: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaBugScrub | 14:28 |
| russellb | i think a recap of key topics on the mailing list would be helpful, easier to parse than the notes, and also to allow discussion | 14:28 |
| mriedem | which is linked from the above | 14:28 |
| russellb | ^ re: meetup | 14:28 |
| mriedem | russellb: +2 | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: thats a very good idea | 14:28 |
| mspreitz | mriedem: johnthetubaguy: thanks | 14:28 |
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| mriedem | asked for that w/ the containers guys too in the ML | 14:28 |
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| mriedem | b/c they were busy bees but no notes in ML | 14:28 |
| bauzas | mriedem: dammit, was not so used to find good docs :) | 14:28 |
| dansmith | yeah, definitely need documentation from the container folks :) | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | #action mikal to find someone to create a summary of midcycle meetup | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, so I have mikal an action item for that... | 14:29 |
| mriedem | bauzas: see the e-r readme for notes on queries | 14:29 |
| mriedem | and writing them | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | if you want to help out with that, please email mikal | 14:29 |
| n0ano | dansmith, I think they worked mainly on defining their API, expect spec soon | 14:29 |
| mriedem | bauzas: also look for a juno summit session from sdague on e-r | 14:29 |
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| mriedem | for a high-level | 14:29 |
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| dansmith | n0ano: I want them to document what they presented to us there, for the rest of the group :) | 14:30 |
| mriedem | right | 14:30 |
| n0ano | dansmith, +1 | 14:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: +1 | 14:30 |
| mriedem | there are people that didn't make the meetup that are interested in the containers/nova stuff | 14:30 |
| dansmith | also to help avoid letting them change their minds later :P | 14:30 |
| dansmith | without due scorn | 14:30 |
| mriedem | and for people that didn't pay great attention that were there.... :( | 14:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | russellb: I think mikal has been in a conference since the midcycle, I will sync up with him about getting out a summary, not had chance myself | 14:30 |
| mriedem | as for open discussion, the core team should probably weigh in here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110754/ | 14:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: should we maybe add our thoughts into the etherpad about what we remember? | 14:31 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: about what, containers? | 14:31 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: use the ML please... | 14:31 |
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| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: maybe just me, but i lose things in etherpads b/c i lose etherpads | 14:31 |
| mriedem | i can always search for the thread in thunderbird | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: agreed, just thinking to refine the etherpad, so we can send something fairly complete to the ML | 14:32 |
| mriedem | sure | 14:32 |
| dansmith | yeah, I think just poking them to send a mail to the list would be ideal | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: yeah, I should get in contact with those folks | 14:32 |
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| mriedem | fwiw i did send a thing to the containers thread already asking for that | 14:32 |
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| dansmith | I have some notes, but they had... PPT! | 14:32 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: yeah, saw that | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: sweet | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: I hear rumers of a draft spec as well | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | it seems we are all done then? | 14:33 |
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| mriedem | adrian_otto: ^? | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more for any more? | 14:33 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110754/ | 14:33 |
| mriedem | just fyi for the core team | 14:33 |
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| mriedem | well anyone really | 14:33 |
| mriedem | since it's policy related | 14:33 |
| russellb | i think that needs to go to the ML | 14:34 |
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| russellb | let's not use gerrit as a debate forum | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info we should discuss the libvirt cap here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110754/ | 14:34 |
| mriedem | sure, it probably just tacks on to the existing thread | 14:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah ML is usually better | 14:34 |
| mriedem | honestly i'm tired of talking about it | 14:34 |
| mriedem | and have become complacent | 14:34 |
| mriedem | wrong word there... | 14:34 |
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| mriedem | indifferent | 14:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: lets keep tracking it, so indecision doesn't just keep the patch in the tree | 14:35 |
| mriedem | sure | 14:35 |
| mriedem | i'll post it to the ML for everyone's FYI | 14:35 |
| * russellb thinks the patch is fine (obviously since he was one of the +2s) | 14:35 | |
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| johnthetubaguy | do we want to chat about this here right now? I kinda feel like the ML is better for that though | 14:36 |
| russellb | ML++ | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, any other things? | 14:36 |
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| russellb | sdague isn't here, and danpb is on PTO | 14:36 |
| russellb | 2 key parties to that particular revert proposal | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: +1 we need to wait for those folks, very good point | 14:36 |
| adrian_otto | johnthetubaguy: Sorry for my delayed response. The draft specs for the containers service are expected next week. I am out on ETO this week, on minimum duty. | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info please feedback on the agenda format, its a WIP, more ideas welcome to johnthetubaguy and/or mikal | 14:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so its holiday season, this much is clear | 14:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I am out next week myself | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess we are done now | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks all | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets keep evolving the agenda so we keep this useful, ideas very welcome | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 14:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 7 14:38:27 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-08-07-13.59.html | 14:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-08-07-13.59.txt | 14:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-08-07-13.59.log.html | 14:38 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 7 15:00:24 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | hi | 15:00 |
| ameade | o/ | 15:00 |
| vvechkanov1 | Hi) | 15:00 |
| deepakcs | hi | 15:00 |
| rraja | hi | 15:00 |
| csaba | hi | 15:00 |
| bswartz | wb vponomaryov | 15:01 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | looks like agenda today is very short | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #topic Glance image for Generic Driver | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | so a few issues have come up around this | 15:02 |
| bswartz | first, I understand that dropbox cut off downloads for our 300MB qcow file | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | so we need to find another way to host this file | 15:02 |
| bswartz | and I will come back to that issue | 15:03 |
| scottda | hi all | 15:03 |
| bswartz | the second thing is that we are going to remove the LVM driver very soon | 15:03 |
| bswartz | and make the generic driver the one that the gate testse | 15:03 |
| bswartz | tests* | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: generic is already the one | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | the problem with that is that it's not acceptable to make the gate download a 300MB file for every checkin | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it does not | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: the are cache | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | s/the/there/ | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: what does this do then? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112058/ | 15:04 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: what is the plan for single tenant support? | 15:04 |
| bswartz | xyang1: I'll get to that in a moment | 15:04 |
| xyang1 | ok | 15:04 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is removal of code that install nfs and samba on host machine | 15:05 |
| bswartz | first I want to make sure we're all on the same page about the generic driver and its glance image | 15:05 |
| bswartz | okay thanks vponomaryov | 15:05 |
| bswartz | so you think that the gate VMs already have our qcow file builtin? | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | what do you mean by caching? | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it redownloads only when hash changed, consider new image uploaded with same name | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | I mean, CI has cache for images | 15:06 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | it does not download it each test run | 15:06 |
| bswartz | but everyone else has to download the image to make devstack+manila work | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | yes | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | and this activity exceeded out limit | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | s/out/our/ | 15:07 |
| bswartz | so we need to get the cirros image available | 15:07 |
| bswartz | to save bandwidth, disk space, and time | 15:07 |
| csaba | bswartz: that's still hosted here: http://people.redhat.com/chenk/cirros/ | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | but ultimately it will need to be hosted similar to the existing qcow | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: then we should concentrate on fix of major bug | 15:08 |
| bswartz | csaba: is that image usable now? | 15:08 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: https://github.com/csabahenk/cirros/issues/9 | 15:08 |
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| csaba | bswartz: the "no response on deny-access" issue is still there as showstopper | 15:09 |
| bswartz | csaba: how can we help get this fixed? | 15:09 |
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| csaba | deepakcs has started debugging it | 15:09 |
| csaba | deepakcs: can you give a summary? | 15:09 |
| csaba | pls | 15:09 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: can we change the test for this to simply time out quickly | 15:10 |
| bswartz | ? | 15:10 |
| deepakcs | csaba, bswartz I have some debug data at the time of failure by enabling the RPC debug | 15:10 |
| bswartz | no response within 5 seconds -> assume access denied | 15:10 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: yes, we can do it | 15:10 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, csaba other than that I am no NFS expert to figure why it fails the way it fails | 15:10 |
| deepakcs | I can share the debug data | 15:10 |
| bswartz | deepakcs, csaba, vponomaryov: black holing requests is a reasonable way to deny access -- it's actually the most secure | 15:11 |
| csaba | deepakcs: pls explain the conjecture regarding the 64 bit mode | 15:11 |
| deepakcs | It looks like it hangs after client sends PUT_ROOTFH and no response from server | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: reason in following: client hangs | 15:11 |
| deepakcs | csaba, ya | 15:11 |
| bswartz | if the server is denying access at the IP level, it presumably drop the packets from that IP | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is not "test" problem | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is blocker | 15:11 |
| deepakcs | csaba's cirros image is 64bit but the cirros_ubuntu_compat image i was using during debug was 32-bit | 15:12 |
| deepakcs | this is the same image we use for service VM today | 15:12 |
| deepakcs | so I need to try and check if the issue re-creates when using a 64-bit nfs client with the cirros image (nfs server which is 64 bit) | 15:12 |
| bswartz | so the source for this image is all on https://github.com/csabahenk/cirros ? | 15:12 |
| csaba | bswartz: yes | 15:13 |
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| deepakcs | haven't gotten to doing that yet! | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | okay I'd like to dig in and solve this problem | 15:13 |
| bswartz | it's a high priority | 15:13 |
| bswartz | because replacing a 300MB image with a 50MB image is a big win IMO | 15:13 |
| csaba | bswartz: this branch is the up-to-date one: https://github.com/csabahenk/cirros/tree/manila-service-generic-devel | 15:13 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, Do you want the debug data I have collected around the time of hang ? | 15:13 |
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| vponomaryov | deepakcs: place it somewhere with public access pls | 15:14 |
| bswartz | deepakcs: yes, can you start a ML thread? or is there too much info for email? | 15:14 |
| vponomaryov | deepakcs: some google doc, for example | 15:14 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, vponomaryov I have a private gist link, that I can share and others can view i think | 15:14 |
| bswartz | using LP bugs or Github bugs is also perfectly reasonable as long as we all know where the bug is | 15:14 |
| deepakcs | Maybe i can start a ML thread and put the debug info (after some cleanup) in google doc too | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | that would be great | 15:15 |
| deepakcs | Let me know whats preferred.. a LP bug, github bug, ML thread what exactly ? | 15:16 |
| bswartz | something on LP makes sense because this is a core issue for manila | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | deepakcs: it is not LP bug, IMHO | 15:16 |
| deepakcs | now sort it out :) | 15:16 |
| bswartz | the generic driver is what we gate with, and the image it runs on is a core dependency | 15:16 |
| scottda | It sure is easier to find bugs if they are all in one place, i.e. launchpad | 15:17 |
| deepakcs | I agree with bswartz here | 15:17 |
| bswartz | if anything goes wrong with the glance image powering the generic driver, our gate won't work | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | all LP bugs should be fixed within manila code | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | image is outside | 15:17 |
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| deepakcs | vponomaryov, is there really such a rule ? | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: perhaps we need to create a new manila "project" called manila-image and request that csaba contributes his work to that project | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | deepakcs: it is not so rule | 15:18 |
| bswartz | so that the manila team officially controls the image we use | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: manila-image project sound good | 15:18 |
| bswartz | okay let's make that a longer term plan | 15:18 |
| csaba | bswartz: and what would that mean in terms of code hosting? should the code be moved under stackforge? | 15:18 |
| bswartz | in the short term, lets get this bug fixed | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | csaba: yes that would be the path forward | 15:19 |
| bswartz | xyang: I'm about to get to your question | 15:19 |
| csaba | I think in short term, as long as this does not happen, best would be to use the github issue | 15:19 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: sure | 15:19 |
| csaba | https://github.com/csabahenk/cirros/issues/9 | 15:19 |
| csaba | to accumulate related data/efforts | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | csaba: +1 | 15:19 |
| bswartz | +1 | 15:19 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, then i will add debug data to the github issue direclty | 15:20 |
| bswartz | #agreed manila team will fix the bug preventing use of csaba's cirros-nfs-smb.qcow2 image and move to using that image in our gate | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | #topic single tenant drivers | 15:21 |
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| vponomaryov | csaba: also, in nearest generic driver will require two net interfaces | 15:21 |
| bswartz | so I hope it's not a surprise to anyone that we're pulling the LVM driver out | 15:21 |
| vponomaryov | csaba: we will need to have preconfigured two net interfaces | 15:21 |
| bswartz | the rationale is that it duplicates cinder code needlessly | 15:22 |
| csaba | vponomaryov: yes that's somnething I wanted to ask about | 15:22 |
| csaba | does this mean that the image is being spawn with two physical nics emulated? | 15:22 |
| bswartz | sorry, vponomaryov + csaba, do we need more time to sort out the plan for the generic driver? | 15:22 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: I have heard about removing LVM driver before, but not the single tenant part | 15:22 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: there are no issue, just need to clarify required changes | 15:23 |
| bswartz | sounds like no | 15:23 |
| bswartz | ij | 15:23 |
| bswartz | ok | 15:23 |
| bswartz | so there is no plan to remove "single tenant drivers" | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | it just so happens that the LVM driver was a single tenant driver, and we're getting rid of it for the reason I mentioned | 15:24 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: 7mode is planned to be removed too, right? | 15:24 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: ok. the commit msg made me confused | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | also, we want to refactor the netapp drivers and remove the 7mode driver -- which happens to be a single tenant driver as well | 15:25 |
| bswartz | we may reintroduce the 7mode driver with full multitenant support if there is demand for that (and resources) | 15:25 |
| nileshb | GPFS driver that I plan to submit for review would be a single tenant driver | 15:25 |
| bswartz | but the point I wanted to make is that we're not trying to remove all single tenant drivers | 15:25 |
| bswartz | single tenant drivers are still perfectly valid and useful | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: according to "-2" of commit with LVM driver removal, generic driver image is not blocker for it | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: there are no relation at all | 15:26 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: that's good. Isilon driver is single tenant at the moment | 15:26 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: yes thanks for clearing that up | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | I will fix my -2 | 15:27 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:27 |
| deepakcs | Related Q: is there a way to know which driver is single tenant and which is multi tenant for an end user or deployer ? | 15:28 |
| bswartz | I guess I have one last question about the above stuff | 15:28 |
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| deepakcs | other than looking at code comments or having prev knowledge of the backend | 15:28 |
| bswartz | is dropbox still serving the giant 300MB qcow file to those that need it? | 15:28 |
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| xyang1 | deepakcs: documentation will help | 15:28 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is there | 15:28 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: there were ban of public links | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: so are we at risk of them blocking it again? | 15:29 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: due too exceeded limit of traffic per day | 15:29 |
| deepakcs | xyang1, I was wondering if there should be naming convention for driver classes that would provide a self-documentation | 15:29 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: definetely | 15:29 |
| csaba | vponomaryov: to start with, why is the image hosted at dropbox? | 15:29 |
| xyang1 | deepakcs: but then you'll have to rename it when you introduce multitenancy | 15:29 |
| bswartz | csaba: were you the creator of the original ubuntu_1204_nfs_cifs.qcow2? | 15:30 |
| csaba | bswartz: no | 15:30 |
| bswartz | who created the ubuntu_1204_nfs_cifs.qcow2 image? | 15:30 |
| xyang1 | deepakcs: docstrings, comments in the code will help too | 15:30 |
| deepakcs | xyang1, ok | 15:30 |
| vponomaryov | csaba: we did not have file hosting | 15:30 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: out team | 15:31 |
| vponomaryov | s/out/our/ | 15:31 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: okay | 15:31 |
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| csaba | vponomaryov: is there no less bw-sensitive free hosting option? | 15:31 |
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| csaba | google drive, copy.com (barracuda) maybe? | 15:31 |
| vponomaryov | csaba: in dropbox? there are limit for any account | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | csaba: we're been looking | 15:32 |
| bswartz | we've | 15:32 |
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| csaba | bswartz: OK | 15:32 |
| vponomaryov | csaba: we are looking for better file hosting now | 15:33 |
| bswartz | to answer deepakcs's original question, there should be a driver method that determines that | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | csaba: suggestion are welcome | 15:33 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, +1 :) | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: but he said without looking to code | 15:33 |
| bswartz | if the file were smaller than 100MB, we could host it on github | 15:33 |
| deepakcs | vponomaryov, a cli that will invoke the driver method to get the capabilties maybe | 15:34 |
| scottda | In the meantime, individuals who are downloading the qcow often could put it into their own location, and point devstack/lib/manila MANILA_SERVICE_IMAGE_URL to their own location | 15:34 |
| vponomaryov | scottda: devstack reuses downloaded image | 15:34 |
| bswartz | conceivably we could split the file into 4 chunks and host those chunks on github, then have the devstack script reassemble the chunks | 15:34 |
| bswartz | I wonder if github has some TOS that would prevent that though | 15:35 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: sounds like better to fix cirros and use IT | 15:35 |
| bswartz | it seems like an abuse of github to do that | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | I would feel less bad about having a 50MB cirros image on github | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | scottda: +1 | 15:36 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: Andrew Bartlett said, that samba 4 is much smaller, than 3.6 | 15:36 |
| bswartz | yes for everyone reading this--- PLEASE DON'T ABUSE THE DROPBOX LINK for the qcow image | 15:36 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: halff of cirros is samba | 15:36 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: lol, that doesn't surprise me at all | 15:37 |
| bswartz | I can't think of a reason not to use samba4 rather than 3 | 15:37 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: maybe csaba knows something about samba4 package for cirros? | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov, csaba: we should probably move forward with the creation of a manila-image project on stackforge relatively soon | 15:38 |
| bswartz | then we can all contribute to making it better | 15:38 |
| bswartz | and smaller = better | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | okay I think we've spent enough time on these topics | 15:39 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | err | 15:39 |
| bswartz | wait | 15:39 |
| bswartz | #topic dev status | 15:40 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: =) | 15:40 |
| vponomaryov | dev status: | 15:40 |
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| vponomaryov | 1) Capacity calculation in NetApp drivers was implemented. | 15:40 |
| vponomaryov | 2) direct connectivity with service_instance module | 15:40 |
| vponomaryov | bp: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/direct-service-vm-connectivity | 15:40 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/112314 | 15:40 |
| vponomaryov | status: ready for review | 15:40 |
| vponomaryov | 3) Enhancement of CIFS helper within Generic driver | 15:40 |
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| vponomaryov | gerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/112279 | 15:40 |
| vponomaryov | status: ready for review | 15:40 |
| vponomaryov | 4) rename of 'sid' to 'user' in access rules and sec services | 15:41 |
| vponomaryov | server: #link https://review.openstack.org/112328 | 15:41 |
| vponomaryov | client: #link https://review.openstack.org/112320 | 15:41 |
| vponomaryov | status: ready for review | 15:41 |
| vponomaryov | 5) usage of common code | 15:41 |
| vponomaryov | server: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/manila+branch:master+topic:bp/use-common-code,n,z | 15:41 |
| vponomaryov | client: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/python-manilaclient+branch:master+topic:bp/use-common-code,n,z | 15:41 |
| vponomaryov | that's the main | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | cool | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | I have time for reviews today | 15:42 |
| bswartz | this afternoon | 15:42 |
| bswartz | any questions? | 15:42 |
| vponomaryov | look at client changes | 15:42 |
| scottda | What's the status if incubation request? | 15:42 |
| scottda | s/if/of | 15:43 |
| xyang1 | scottda: I was about to ask that as well:) | 15:43 |
| bswartz | no response back from TC yet | 15:43 |
| bswartz | I'm going to be socializing with the TC to move it along | 15:43 |
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| bswartz | honestly I'm not sure if high latency to incubation requests is normal | 15:44 |
| bswartz | if you read the TC ML they seem to have other issues on their minds | 15:44 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:44 |
| bswartz | any topics anyone forgot to put on the agenda? | 15:44 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: is there a queue for incubation requests? | 15:44 |
| bswartz | xyang1: there must be, unofficially | 15:45 |
| bswartz | but I don't think there's anything published | 15:45 |
| scottda | TC discussed Rally incubation this week, and Manila is in the backlog. I don't think anything else is in the queue | 15:45 |
| ameade | just 2 right now | 15:45 |
| bswartz | presumably you've seen this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111149/ | 15:45 |
| scottda | At least on the meeting agenda site https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee | 15:45 |
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| bswartz | thanks scottda | 15:46 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: do they all have to give +1 | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | the process is evolving | 15:47 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: what do we expect to be changed after incubation? | 15:47 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: we'll probably relocate from stackforge to openstack | 15:48 |
| scottda | After incubation I expect my employer to give me more time to work on Manila :) | 15:48 |
| bswartz | and integrate our devstack+tempest changes into those respective projects | 15:48 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: we'll also get actual time on the dev summit schedule I expect | 15:49 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, https://review.openstack.org/login/c/111149/1/reference/programs.yaml (s/provices/provides) | 15:49 |
| bswartz | !!! | 15:49 |
| openstack | bswartz: Error: "!!" is not a valid command. | 15:49 |
| bswartz | crap | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | that was a c/p from the wiki | 15:50 |
| bswartz | I'll fix it | 15:50 |
| deepakcs | :) | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | making progress on incubation is still top of my list FYI | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | I'll send out info as soon as I learn something | 15:51 |
| bswartz | thanks everyone | 15:51 |
| deepakcs | thanks bswartz | 15:51 |
| bswartz | I don't have anything else for today | 15:51 |
| vponomaryov | thanks | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 7 15:52:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-08-07-15.00.html | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-08-07-15.00.txt | 15:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-08-07-15.00.log.html | 15:52 |
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| vkozhukalov | hi everyone | 16:01 |
| vkozhukalov | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 7 16:01:43 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vkozhukalov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:01 |
| vkozhukalov | #chair vkozhukalov | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: vkozhukalov | 16:01 |
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| angdraug | hi | 16:01 |
| dpyzhov | hi | 16:02 |
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| vkozhukalov | #topic Greetings and announcements | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Greetings and announcements (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:02 | |
| vkozhukalov | agenda as usual here | 16:02 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:02 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic 5.0.1 bugs status | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "5.0.1 bugs status (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:02 | |
| vkozhukalov | nurla: around? | 16:02 |
| angdraug | #link https://launchpad.net/fuel/+milestone/5.0.1 | 16:03 |
| angdraug | #link https://launchpad.net/mos/+milestone/5.0.1 | 16:03 |
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| vkozhukalov | angdraug: thanx | 16:03 |
| angdraug | I can see that rabbitmq ha bugs are still in progress | 16:03 |
| angdraug | sounds like we won't have an RC today | 16:04 |
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| angdraug | there's a new Medium bug in 5.0.1 today: | 16:04 |
| angdraug | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1353945 | 16:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1353945 in fuel "Nailgun returns 500 error, amqp error: PLAIN login refused: user 'naily' - invalid credentials" [Medium,New] | 16:04 |
| angdraug | anyone can explain what a Medium bug is doing in a stable release series? | 16:04 |
| vkozhukalov | is it ok that it is medium? | 16:05 |
| angdraug | looks like nurla thinks it's a one-off problem, so she downgraded it | 16:05 |
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| angdraug | I'll move it to 5.0.2 until it's confirmed to be a Critical | 16:05 |
| vkozhukalov | angdraug: +1 | 16:05 |
| angdraug | that's it for 5.0.1 bugs | 16:06 |
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| vkozhukalov | everyone else: any objections? | 16:06 |
| vkozhukalov | dpyzhov: around? | 16:06 |
| vkozhukalov | what do you think? | 16:06 |
| angdraug | is there some sort of holiday in Russia today? :) | 16:06 |
| vkozhukalov | some sort ) | 16:07 |
| angdraug | (aside from all bosses travelling) | 16:07 |
| dpyzhov | vkozhukalov: I’m reading bug description | 16:07 |
| vkozhukalov | couple of our colleagues are visiting a conference | 16:07 |
| dpyzhov | no objection | 16:07 |
| xarses | angdraug: we never talked about https://review.openstack.org/111010 | 16:07 |
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| angdraug | xarses: +1 | 16:08 |
| xarses | Should it be in 5.0.1? | 16:08 |
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| dpyzhov | xarses: it required for patching and will be merged after 5.0.1 | 16:08 |
| xarses | yes, but if we dont have it, will it make downgrades (back to 5.0.1) harder? | 16:08 |
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| xarses | maybe even break them | 16:09 |
| dpyzhov | we will install this fix on existing 5.0 and 5.0.1 environments during upgrade | 16:09 |
| xarses | so, then we might as well include it in 5.0.1 anyway? | 16:09 |
| vkozhukalov | evgeniyl: any information about that? | 16:09 |
| dpyzhov | xarses: we need it fo 5.0 envs anyway | 16:09 |
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| evgeniyl | ikalnitsky: ^ | 16:10 |
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| dpyzhov | As I understand, this fix will not block downgrade | 16:10 |
| dpyzhov | after downgrade user will have this patch on his environments | 16:10 |
| xarses | ok, so we might as well merge it in 5.0.1 | 16:10 |
| dpyzhov | xarses: we might, but we don’t have to | 16:11 |
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| vkozhukalov | resume, | 16:12 |
| vkozhukalov | we have 2 criticals for 5.0.1 | 16:12 |
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| vkozhukalov | sorry, no valid criticals | 16:12 |
| angdraug | we have 2 in mos, both related to oslo.messaging | 16:12 |
| vkozhukalov | so, looks like there are no obstacles for RC 5.0.1 from Fuel side | 16:13 |
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| vkozhukalov | and 2 from MOS side | 16:13 |
| angdraug | yes | 16:13 |
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| vkozhukalov | so we still can not make RC for 5.0.1 | 16:14 |
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| angdraug | yes | 16:14 |
| vkozhukalov | ok let's move on | 16:14 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic 5.1 bugs status | 16:14 |
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| angdraug | we have 42 New bugs: | 16:14 |
| angdraug | #link http://bit.ly/1m1AqTO | 16:14 |
| angdraug | I think having New bugs that were raised more than 1 day ago is as bad as having red smoke tests in Jenkins | 16:14 |
| angdraug | triaging New bugs should take priority over everything except fixing confirmed Critical bugs | 16:14 |
| angdraug | we also still have 21 Medium/Low bugs targeted for 5.1, these should all go to 6.0 | 16:15 |
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| angdraug | #link http://bit.ly/1u01qLB | 16:15 |
| angdraug | our In Progress count has gone down from ~70 to ~40 over the last 2 weeks | 16:15 |
| angdraug | #link http://bit.ly/1kKanWx | 16:15 |
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| angdraug | looks like we're running out of easy stuff, bugs take more time to fix | 16:15 |
| angdraug | on the plus side, we're not wasting time with low priority bugs anymore :) | 16:15 |
| angdraug | finally, we have at least 32 Critical/High bugs to fix before we can release | 16:15 |
| angdraug | #link http://bit.ly/1toriAj | 16:15 |
| angdraug | considering that we were supposed to have hard code freeze today, that's way too many | 16:16 |
| angdraug | we should aim for having 0 Critical/High bugs left by this time next week | 16:16 |
| angdraug | questions? | 16:16 |
| vkozhukalov | angdraug: no questions ( | 16:16 |
| vkozhukalov | hcf is out of the day | 16:16 |
| vkozhukalov | dpyzhov: any comments? | 16:17 |
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| dpyzhov | vkozhukalov: 3 new criticals - no questions | 16:18 |
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| vkozhukalov | dpyzhov: estimations? | 16:18 |
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| angdraug | as I said, we ran out of simple bugs :( | 16:19 |
| angdraug | probably hard to estimate how much time remaining bugs will take | 16:19 |
| nurla | lets spin HCF according our politics about it | 16:19 |
| angdraug | still, we should at least make sure there's no unassigned critical bugs and keep them updated daily | 16:20 |
| angdraug | anyone not working on critical bugs should be triaging new bugs | 16:20 |
| nurla | agree | 16:20 |
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| vkozhukalov | moving on? | 16:21 |
| angdraug | yup | 16:21 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic Features | 16:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Features (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:21 | |
| vkozhukalov | #topic patching OpenStack | 16:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "patching OpenStack (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:21 | |
| dpyzhov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/patching-status | 16:21 |
| dpyzhov | We have several patches in stable/5.0 waiting for 5.0.1 release | 16:22 |
| dpyzhov | Right now we have two issues | 16:22 |
| dpyzhov | https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1352896 | 16:22 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1352896 in fuel "[update] Rollback failed with error in puppet about package verions" [Critical,Confirmed] | 16:22 |
| dpyzhov | https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1354050 | 16:22 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1354050 in fuel "[Update] Patching fails on neutron enviroments" [Critical,Confirmed] | 16:22 |
| dpyzhov | ci infrastructure is done | 16:23 |
| vkozhukalov | ok | 16:24 |
| vkozhukalov | thanx | 16:24 |
| dpyzhov | qa is working on automated tests | 16:24 |
| dpyzhov | thats all about status for patching | 16:24 |
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| vkozhukalov | moving | 16:25 |
| nurla | yep, we've already created jobs for patching and update | 16:25 |
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| vkozhukalov | #topic 6.0 blueprints | 16:25 |
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| dpyzhov | Does anybody knows what this topic is about? =) | 16:26 |
| angdraug | #link https://launchpad.net/fuel/+milestone/6.0 | 16:26 |
| dpyzhov | we have a lot of blueprints and we have limited time in 6.0 | 16:26 |
| angdraug | the topic is about your proposal on how to deal with them :) | 16:26 |
| xarses | =) | 16:26 |
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| angdraug | personally, I vote in favor | 16:26 |
| dpyzhov | So we should move part of them to future/next release | 16:26 |
| angdraug | lets move everything to next and only target to 6.0 when blueprint was properly described | 16:27 |
| tzn | +1 | 16:27 |
| xarses | and actually expected to be worked | 16:27 |
| dpyzhov | I like this idea | 16:27 |
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| alex_didenko | +1 | 16:27 |
| xarses | +1 | 16:27 |
| dpyzhov | Let’s keep our release page clean | 16:27 |
| angdraug | xarses: yes, our definition of "described" should include an assignee | 16:27 |
| angdraug | we have a consensus! | 16:28 |
| tzn | but what about bps that actually have assignees? | 16:28 |
| vkozhukalov | I would say, not only properly described but also spec should be on review | 16:28 |
| angdraug | vkozhukalov: +1 | 16:28 |
| nurla | and some PoC as minumum | 16:28 |
| vkozhukalov | nurla: )) | 16:28 |
| nurla | :) | 16:29 |
| angdraug | tzn: if it has an assignee, their team lead should confirm the assignment, and unassign if it doesn't fit the schedule | 16:29 |
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| dpyzhov | Let’s move all blueprints without priorities or assignees out of 6.0 | 16:29 |
| xarses | part of the point of brining up bp's during SCF -> HCF is that we should attempt to take time every day to maybe review 1 bp, this way we are in shape to start work and dont spend alot of time waiting on others | 16:29 |
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| angdraug | xarses: yes, and first step is making sure that 6.0 only has BPs that really need being looked at | 16:30 |
| xarses | =) | 16:30 |
| angdraug | there's 124 there at the moment | 16:30 |
| angdraug | I expect at most 10 that actually have enough info on them to stay there | 16:31 |
| nurla | nice) | 16:31 |
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| angdraug | but yes, we shouldn't forget about BPs during code freeze | 16:32 |
| vkozhukalov | i am not if we have enough people to implement all of them even if we assign a person for couple of blueprints | 16:32 |
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| angdraug | vkozhukalov: of course not, there's enough work there to keep us busy for a few years :) | 16:32 |
| angdraug | so priorities, revised: | 16:33 |
| vkozhukalov | ok looks like everyone agree to move most of those BPs to the future | 16:33 |
| nurla | lets create 6.1 milestone? | 16:33 |
| angdraug | 1) critical bugs; 2) new bugs; 3) blueprints (1 hour a day); 4) high priority bugs | 16:33 |
| angdraug | nurla: no, we have "next" milestone for that | 16:34 |
| dpyzhov | nurla: let’s have ‘next’ milestone and move blueprints from it during design session | 16:34 |
| angdraug | lets finish with defining scope for 6.0 first | 16:34 |
| nurla | next also have 82 BP) | 16:35 |
| angdraug | next can have a 1000, it's our backlog | 16:35 |
| vkozhukalov | angdraug: actually we can just think of 6.0 as next or future | 16:35 |
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| vkozhukalov | ok everyone agree | 16:36 |
| angdraug | vkozhukalov: no, 6.0 and next should be different milestones in LP | 16:36 |
| angdraug | the point is to scope 6.0 from 0 up to a list of BPs we can actually do | 16:36 |
| vkozhukalov | #action dpyzhov moves all 6.0 unassigned BPs to next milestone | 16:36 |
| angdraug | +1 | 16:36 |
| xarses | +1 | 16:37 |
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| angdraug | looks like we can move on to open discussion | 16:37 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic Open discussion | 16:37 |
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| vkozhukalov | couple of comments about re-implementing build system | 16:38 |
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| vkozhukalov | we've created kinda ci framework | 16:38 |
| vkozhukalov | which we (with dpyzhov) agreed to extend | 16:39 |
| vkozhukalov | so as to make it possible to build artifacts with it | 16:39 |
| angdraug | is there a bp/poc? | 16:39 |
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| vkozhukalov | we agreed next week i'll make a demo of building target os images and bootstrap and probably something else | 16:40 |
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| vkozhukalov | will schedule a meeting for that | 16:40 |
| vkozhukalov | poc is going to be ready next week | 16:40 |
| angdraug | what about bp? | 16:41 |
| vkozhukalov | there is still no spec and bp | 16:41 |
| vkozhukalov | angdraug: will write bp | 16:41 |
| angdraug | thanks | 16:41 |
| angdraug | looking forward to it! | 16:41 |
| vkozhukalov | ok | 16:42 |
| vkozhukalov | any other comments, questions? | 16:42 |
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| angdraug | can we talk about 5.0.2? | 16:42 |
| vkozhukalov | let's try | 16:42 |
| angdraug | as far as I understand, our 5.1 upgrade tarball includes an entity called 5.0.2 | 16:43 |
| nurla | yes | 16:43 |
| angdraug | it's a release in the Nailgun definition of the word | 16:43 |
| nurla | and manifests too | 16:43 |
| angdraug | but it's not related to 5.0.2 release milestone in LP | 16:43 |
| nurla | and packages | 16:43 |
| evgeniyl | nurla: is right, it's new release of manifests and packages | 16:44 |
| angdraug | the manifests in that release, are they from fuel-library master or stable/5.0? | 16:44 |
| evgeniyl | it's not about nailgun at all | 16:44 |
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| angdraug | evgeniyl: so it's not a release a user can choose to deploy? | 16:44 |
| nurla | from stable/5.0 of all repos | 16:44 |
| angdraug | the packages, which repository is it from? | 16:45 |
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| angdraug | http://fuel-repository.mirantis.com/fwm/5.0.2/ ? | 16:45 |
| angdraug | stable/5.0 currently has what's going to become 5.0.1 | 16:45 |
| evgeniyl | Yes, user can have 5.0.1 and 5.0.2 release at the same time, and upgrade from 5.0.1 to 5.0.2 | 16:45 |
| evgeniyl | ikalnitsky: am I right? | 16:46 |
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| angdraug | actual GA release of 5.0.2, if it at all happens, will be after 5.1 is released | 16:46 |
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| dpyzhov | angdraug: 5.0.2 will be shipped with 5.1 at the same time on the same iso | 16:47 |
| dpyzhov | s/iso/tarball/ | 16:47 |
| angdraug | is what's included in 5.1 under name 5.0.2 an upgrade tarball with the current state of stable/5.0 as of the moment of 5.1 GA? | 16:47 |
| dpyzhov | there will be no separate 5.0.x releases after 5.0.1 | 16:47 |
| evgeniyl | In nailgun we call this release something like 2014.1.1-5.0.1 and 2014.1.1-5.0.2 it's two separate bundles repos+manifests | 16:47 |
| dpyzhov | angdraug: yes | 16:48 |
| angdraug | what's the difference between 5.0.1 and 5.0.2? | 16:48 |
| dpyzhov | angdraug: small amount of security fixes, I guess | 16:48 |
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| nurla | 5.0.1 isn't released yet | 16:48 |
| angdraug | hopefully it will be released before 5.1 | 16:49 |
| angdraug | but they're going to be pretty close the way things are going | 16:49 |
| angdraug | so why not just have 5.0.1? | 16:49 |
| dpyzhov | If our 5.0.1 will not be released befor 5.1, we can ship it with 5.1 and forget about 5.0.2. But our users will kill us =) | 16:49 |
| angdraug | no, if 5.0.1 isn't ready to be released, we can't release 5.1 either | 16:50 |
| nurla | +1 | 16:50 |
| angdraug | all bugs we currently have in 5.0.1 apply to 5.1 too | 16:50 |
| angdraug | given that we don't plan to have a proper release cycle for 5.0.2, | 16:51 |
| dpyzhov | angdraug: we thought that there will be more time between 5.0.1 and 5.1. At the moment looks like we can ship 5.1 with 5.0.1 | 16:51 |
| angdraug | I think we should just have 5.0.1 and 5.1 as installable releases | 16:51 |
| angdraug | dpyzhov: yes, that's where I'm going with my questions :) | 16:51 |
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| dpyzhov | angdraug: but for patching we need to rebuild a lot of packages | 16:52 |
| angdraug | it would only make sense to call that thing a 5.0.2 if we had a separate QA cycle for it | 16:52 |
| dpyzhov | it can affect our release schedule for 5.0.1 | 16:53 |
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| angdraug | then it will affect it | 16:53 |
| angdraug | assuming that we're not still fixing oslo.messaging by then | 16:53 |
| dpyzhov | do we have any estimates about oslo.messaging? | 16:53 |
| angdraug | what I'm saying is that we can't publish a release we didn't properly test | 16:53 |
| angdraug | dpyzhov: our estimate on oslo.messaging is still the same: maybe tomorrow | 16:54 |
| vkozhukalov | angdraug: ) | 16:54 |
| dpyzhov | angdraug: nice. I love stability | 16:54 |
| nurla | all patches about 5.0.1 should be in 5.0.2 | 16:54 |
| angdraug | I'd rather we rebuild those packages now and include in 5.0.1 and test that as part of 5.0.1 | 16:54 |
| vkozhukalov | 5 minutes | 16:55 |
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| angdraug | otherwise we'll have to retest everything again just for 5.0.2 | 16:55 |
| angdraug | nurla: I'm trying to save you from more work ) | 16:55 |
| dpyzhov | angdraug: we can’t be sure that our 5.1 release will not be delayed | 16:55 |
| angdraug | even if it is delayed | 16:55 |
| dpyzhov | if we delay 5.1, 5.0.1 will be delayed | 16:56 |
| angdraug | we still can't include untested 5.0.2 packages and manifests | 16:56 |
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| nurla | we test it | 16:56 |
| angdraug | so we test 3 releases in parallel right now? | 16:56 |
| nurla | only via systests | 16:56 |
| nurla | not manually | 16:56 |
| dpyzhov | angdraug: 3 releases + upgrades =) | 16:57 |
| vkozhukalov | 3 minutes | 16:57 |
| nurla | + pathching | 16:57 |
| vkozhukalov | are we going to make a decision right now? | 16:57 |
| angdraug | no | 16:57 |
| angdraug | I presented my point | 16:57 |
| angdraug | we should take it to the mailing list | 16:57 |
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| vkozhukalov | angdraug: +1 | 16:58 |
| vkozhukalov | ok looks like we are done | 16:58 |
| vkozhukalov | thanx everyone, great meeting | 16:58 |
| vkozhukalov | closing | 16:58 |
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| vkozhukalov | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 7 16:58:35 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-08-07-16.01.html | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-08-07-16.01.txt | 16:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-08-07-16.01.log.html | 16:58 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting openstack security group | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 7 17:00:46 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | Hey everybody! | 17:01 |
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| tkelsey | Hey | 17:01 |
| michaelxin | hey, all | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | HOLA | 17:01 |
| * sicarie waves | 17:01 | |
| tmcpeak | :P | 17:01 |
| tkelsey | Im on foot FYI | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | on foot? | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | on phone IRC? | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | crazy | 17:02 |
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| tkelsey | Walking yup :-) | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | oh cool, kids these days | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | I know right! | 17:02 |
| tkelsey | Its all the rage | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | ok, so what do people want to discuss today? | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | gmurphy or I can mention the Horizon XSS walkthrough idea | 17:03 |
| bknudson | hi | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | hey bknudson | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | sounds good tmcpeak | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | what else? | 17:03 |
| bdpayne | can anyone provide an update on the stevedore work? | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | did anybody look at stevedore? | 17:03 |
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| bdpayne | ;-) | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | I just started picking through the docs last night | 17:03 |
| michaelxin | read the docs | 17:04 |
| michaelxin | started looking at the code | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | I've been UTG trying to tie up some ends | 17:04 |
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| tmcpeak | so I guess for stevedore we'll postpone until next week so we can all finish going through it? | 17:05 |
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| michaelxin | sounds like a plan | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:05 |
| bknudson | what's being done with stevedore? security audit? threat analysis? | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic stevedore | 17:06 |
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| michaelxin | nothing | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | bnkudson: I think we're starting with reading through the code | 17:06 |
| michaelxin | plan to do code review | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson even | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://github.com/openstack/stevedore | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: to get an idea of how it works/ what it does | 17:06 |
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| tmcpeak | then threat modeling would probably be a solid approach IMO | 17:06 |
| bknudson | dhellmann is probably the expert there | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | bdpayne: where did this come from btw? | 17:07 |
| bdpayne | hey | 17:07 |
| bdpayne | so this was a request from the glance community | 17:07 |
| bdpayne | they will be using stevedore soon | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | Lots of teams seem to be moving to it, bdpayne pointed out we should get involved :) | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | ah, you're here :D | 17:07 |
| bdpayne | and they recognized that it has some potential for negative security impact | 17:07 |
| bknudson | I thought you were wondering where stevedore came from | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | ahh ok cool | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | no not itself, but the request to look at it | 17:08 |
| michaelxin | it is a library for loading code dynamically easy. | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | it does seem like it may be ripe for some good sploits | 17:08 |
| bdpayne | so, it's a code review to understand if they are doing things right from a security perspective | 17:08 |
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| bknudson | #link http://stevedore.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ | 17:08 |
| bknudson | docs | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | ty | 17:08 |
| bdpayne | I believe other openstack projects either are using it, or will be using it soon | 17:09 |
| bdpayne | so it has broader impact too | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | ok so the tl:dr; is people are looking into it but no results yet ? | 17:09 |
| bknudson | we had a proposal for keystone to use it | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:09 |
| bdpayne | cool, I'm glad that some of you have starting pushing ahead with looking at it | 17:09 |
| bdpayne | looking forward to hearing what you find | 17:09 |
| tkelsey | Barbican uses ut | 17:09 |
| tkelsey | It | 17:09 |
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| michaelxin | nice to know. Thanks. | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, I've actually seen it all over the place, just was wondering about where the idea to look at it from a security perspective came from | 17:10 |
| bknudson | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89419/ | 17:10 |
| bknudson | there's the keystone change that was abandoned | 17:10 |
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| bknudson | so it's an example of how to enable it | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | anything going through Barbican needs some extra level of inspection... | 17:10 |
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| tmcpeak | bknudson: +1 | 17:11 |
| gmurphy | probably make sure you keep some notes or a record of the audit / review if you can. | 17:11 |
| michaelxin | +1 | 17:11 |
| gmurphy | will help with things become security supported by the vmt etc | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | gmurphy: oh good, you're here | 17:11 |
| bknudson | where would these notes go? seems like the obvious place is stevedore docs | 17:11 |
| gmurphy | yep. sorry if i'm late. | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | gmurphy: no, you're good, just wasn't sure if the alarm would do it :) | 17:12 |
| michaelxin | can we use google docs or wiki page to track the progress | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | cool ok lets move along :) | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | Welcome gmurphy - crazy timezone for you.... | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | #topic XSS shenanigans | 17:12 |
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| hyakuhei | tmcpeak gmurphy you're up | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | gmurphy: wanna take it? | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | or I can, whichever you want | 17:12 |
| gmurphy | you're welcome to. | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:13 |
| gmurphy | i just wanted to raise the issue | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | gmurphy had the good idea that we've been seeing a lot of XSS in Horizon still | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | to prevent the same mistake from happening over and over it probably makes sense to have a strategy | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | so the idea is to do some code review for Horizon | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | But it's django right - that's an awesomely secure framework.... | 17:14 |
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| michaelxin | Did we ever have a complete assessment on Horizon before? | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, Django is solid gold | 17:14 |
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| hyakuhei | So there's pretty good "don't do this" guidance for django already | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | michaelxin: not that I'm aware of, but I'm n00b | 17:14 |
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| hyakuhei | including lots on how to avoid XSS etc | 17:14 |
| bknudson | XSS is really a subset of "escaping for formatted documents" and "trusting input" | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | so Django itself may be solid, but the Horizon implementation clearly still leaves something to be desired | 17:15 |
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| hyakuhei | So perhaps a first step is to take the issues that have been identified and review the django docs to see if horizon devs are simply ignoring django best practice | 17:15 |
| bknudson | so we've got the same problem elsewhere... e.g., if we're generating URLs or XML docs. | 17:15 |
| michaelxin | sounds good | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:15 |
| tkelsey | +1 | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | ok great - so anyone feel they have enough time to take that as an action? | 17:16 |
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| michaelxin | automation will be the king | 17:16 |
| michaelxin | I mean in the future :-) | 17:16 |
| bknudson | michaelxin: what kind of automation? | 17:16 |
| gmurphy | that's the other thing. i guess is there a way we can get a web app scanner into CI? | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | I'll finish my work on stevedore first | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, the offer has been floated for free access to Qualys | 17:17 |
| gmurphy | and look at the delta of the warnings / logs etc? | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | gmurphy: Yeah we are working on using HP Fortify WebInspect for something along those lines | 17:17 |
| michaelxin | once we identify the pattern, we might be able to write some scripts to automatically check for the problems. | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | Yes | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | in many cases they've either disabled escaping or their missing appropriate decorators | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | I would imagine | 17:18 |
| bknudson | IBM also has a web application scanner | 17:18 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok, so what's the action here and who wants to take it? | 17:19 |
| bknudson | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105476/ | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | well one could be looking at the process for how to get a web app scanner into the gate for Horizon | 17:19 |
| bknudson | there's the horizon change to fix XSS issues | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | one is poking through the recently reported issues and classifying them | 17:19 |
| michaelxin | I can use our appscan to test Horizon | 17:20 |
| bknudson | looks like you need to explicitly escape rather than unescape. | 17:20 |
| bknudson | seems like a bug | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | ok, so I don't have bandiwdth to take these actions, if we don't have a volunteer this week we'll log it and try again next week | 17:21 |
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| gmurphy | i can probably take a look at horizon | 17:22 |
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| sicarie | I'll take something, but it'll probably be slow going | 17:22 |
| gmurphy | same | 17:22 |
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| michaelxin | I can look at scanner for Horizon | 17:22 |
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| michaelxin | I have a cloud server running devstack and AppScan ready. | 17:23 |
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| gmurphy | so i also need to follow up with qualys | 17:23 |
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| hyakuhei | #action gmurphy to look into horizon XSS scanning | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | sicarie: fancy documenting the current vulns in Horizon and the root causes? | 17:23 |
| sicarie | Sure! | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | #action sicarie to document the root causes of existing Horizon vulnerabilities | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | ok cool | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | dg___: you here? | 17:24 |
| gmurphy | sicarie - http://openstack-security.info/ ctrl+f XSS wil probably help :-) | 17:25 |
| dg___ | hey | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | #topic OSSN-022 | 17:25 |
| michaelxin | gmurphy: I can help if needed | 17:25 |
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| sicarie | gmurphy: thanks! | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | Right, dg___ what is the review id for the OSSN? | 17:25 |
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| dg___ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108349 | 17:25 |
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| gmurphy | michaelxin - ok. should we setup an etherpad / google docs to keep notes? | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108349 | 17:26 |
| dg___ | but I cant submit the latest changes I discussed with nkinder, for some resason git review -s has no effect | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | ok - I want agreement on this OSSN so we can get it published | 17:26 |
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| hyakuhei | Can you guys take a second to read the latest copy with comments please? | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | sure | 17:27 |
| dg___ | sure, i can skype it over ot you and you can submit it if you want? | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | The comment? | 17:27 |
| dg___ | that latest revision, nkinder and I agreed on comments, so I made the changes as discussed, but I cant submit it to gerrit | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | ok, so the latest revision is here: http://pastebin.com/tYU08QBr | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | I'd like to know how people find it regarding clarity? | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | cool, what's the best way to provide feedback on it? | 17:29 |
| bdpayne_ | I kind of feel like we are starting to bike shed on this one. It seems fine, imho. | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | what's bike shed? | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | I'm just looking for a general consensus | 17:29 |
| michaelxin | looks fine to me | 17:30 |
| bdpayne_ | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bikeshedding | 17:30 |
| dg___ | bdpayne +1 | 17:30 |
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| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: too many cooks | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | ahh | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | you learn something new every day | 17:30 |
| bknudson | my opinion is it's clear and complete as is | 17:30 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok so I have no problem with the latest iteration, dg___ maybe you can fix your git and submit it? | 17:31 |
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| dg___ | hyakuhei kk | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | yeah this looks good | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | ok cool | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | thanks dg___ | 17:32 |
| dg___ | as an aside - anyone know how to fix git? | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Any Other Business | 17:32 |
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| dg___ | yep - swift token timeouts | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | if there's anybody who does, it's nkinder, he's the git oracle | 17:32 |
| bknudson | the only thing that it might help to clarify is that the "Recommended Actions" could say this only applies pre-icehouse. | 17:32 |
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| bdpayne_ | dg___ feel free to PM me about git | 17:32 |
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| dg___ | bdpayne thanks | 17:33 |
| bdpayne_ | Re other business, I added a new OSSN http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bikeshedding | 17:33 |
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| bdpayne_ | um, scratch that link | 17:33 |
| bdpayne_ | one sec | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | lol | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | heh | 17:33 |
| dg___ | hahaha | 17:33 |
| bdpayne_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1348844 | 17:33 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1348844 in ossn "Keystone logs auth tokens in URLs at log level info" [Undecided,New] | 17:33 |
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| bdpayne_ | :-) | 17:33 |
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| hyakuhei | Dear OpenStack - Y SO MUCH BIKESHEDDING? Thanks the OSSG. | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | LMAO | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1348844 | 17:33 |
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| hyakuhei | bdpayne_: looks like a good candidate | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | They not backfixing it I guess? | 17:34 |
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| bdpayne_ | requires an api change | 17:34 |
| bdpayne_ | and already fixed in v3 api | 17:34 |
| bdpayne_ | so they don't plan to fix it | 17:34 |
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| bknudson | if someone wants to fix it I don't think it would be blocked. | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | bdpayne_: yeah, this looks good for an OSSN | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | bknudson: That's not how this is supposed to work, either it can be fixed and an OSSA gets issued, or it cant be fixed in previous versions and we issue an OSSN ... | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | as the VMT doesn't issue OSSA's for issues that aren't fixed in supported versions | 17:36 |
| bknudson | I can't think of a reason why this couldn't be fixed. | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | Which seems like the most OSSA worthy issue of all... | 17:36 |
| bknudson | I can think of reasons why we wouldn't bother. | 17:36 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok well lets see if someone picks that up off the queue this week | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | Anything else? | 17:37 |
| dg___ | swift token timeouts | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | oh yeah | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | go ahead dg___ | 17:38 |
| dg___ | tokens are cached for 10 minutes, so if a token is revoked, you can have access for up to 10 minutes | 17:39 |
| bknudson | dg___: is this in auth_token middleware or something else? | 17:39 |
| dg___ | I'm not sure if this is a swift feature, or a feature of our config - was wondering if anyone else had come across it? | 17:39 |
| dg___ | bknudson i think so, I havent dug into the code to trace it through | 17:40 |
| bknudson | auth_token middleware has a config option for how long to cache tokens: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystonemiddleware/tree/keystonemiddleware/auth_token.py#n279 | 17:40 |
| bknudson | and how long to cache the revocation list revocation_cache_time | 17:40 |
| dg___ | thanks, I'll take a look | 17:41 |
| michaelxin | -1 to disable it | 17:41 |
| bknudson | we added a feature somewhat recently to check the revocation list for cached time: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystonemiddleware/tree/keystonemiddleware/auth_token.py#n321 | 17:41 |
| bknudson | check_revocations_for_cached | 17:41 |
| bknudson | so you can shorten the cache time for the token | 17:41 |
| dg___ | gotcha | 17:41 |
| bknudson | you can enable check_revocations_for_cached and shorten the revocation_cache_time | 17:42 |
| bknudson | if that's more efficient | 17:42 |
| dg___ | thats what i was about to ask! | 17:42 |
| dg___ | that would make sense, thanks bknudson | 17:42 |
| bknudson | setting check_revocations_for_cached requires setting up pki on the keystone server even if you're using UUID tokens | 17:42 |
| bknudson | because the revocation list is cms encrypted for some reason | 17:43 |
| dg___ | ok | 17:43 |
| bknudson | all this assumes that swift is using auth_token middleware... I only tried this with nova | 17:43 |
| dg___ | lol I will talk to the swift folks, assuming it is, this seems like a smart way to handle it | 17:44 |
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| hyakuhei | ok cool, thanks bknudson dg___ | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | Anything else? | 17:45 |
| dg___ | thanks | 17:45 |
| sriramhere | you all, make sure bay area ppl attend the meetup organized by Bryan and Preeti | 17:45 |
| bknudson | did we have some docs for what encryption algorithms are used in different components? | 17:45 |
| sriramhere | http://www.meetup.com/Cloud-Platform-at-Symantec/events/199393922/?a=ea1_grp&rv=ea1&_af_eid=199393922&_af=event | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | sriramhere: +1, that will be a good regular meetup spot for us | 17:45 |
| sriramhere | :) | 17:45 |
| notmyname | dg___: swift is using the auth_token middleware for keystone | 17:46 |
| bdpayne_ | oh yeah that, thanks sriramhere | 17:46 |
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| bdpayne_ | :-) | 17:46 |
| bdpayne_ | bknudson we do, on the wiki | 17:46 |
| dg___ | thanks notmyname | 17:46 |
| michaelxin | cool. thanks. | 17:46 |
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| bdpayne_ | bknudson https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/Juno | 17:47 |
| bknudson | bdpayne_: thanks for the link | 17:48 |
| bknudson | I've got a team here where I've asked them to do a crypto audit... | 17:48 |
| bdpayne_ | oh great | 17:48 |
| bknudson | if it goes well I'll see if I can get these pages updated. | 17:48 |
| bdpayne_ | this is on my short(ish) list too | 17:48 |
| bdpayne_ | I would love to see those get filled out | 17:49 |
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| hyakuhei | That would be really good | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | ok, I think we are good to wrap here. | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks everyone - got a few good actions down! | 17:51 |
| sriramhere | thanks! | 17:51 |
| michaelxin | thanks. | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:51 |
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| michaelxin | bye | 17:51 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 7 17:51:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-08-07-17.00.html | 17:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-08-07-17.00.txt | 17:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-08-07-17.00.log.html | 17:51 |
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| tmcpeak | cool, later everyone | 17:51 |
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| tkelsey | Good meeting all, thanks hyakuhei | 17:51 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sahara folks ping | 18:00 |
| tosky | pong hi | 18:00 |
| reshetnyaks | hi | 18:00 |
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| elmiko | o/ | 18:00 |
| crobertsrh | hello/ | 18:00 |
| dmitryme | hello | 18:01 |
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| aignatov | o/ | 18:01 |
| tmckay | \o | 18:01 |
| * mattf waves wildly | 18:01 | |
| tmckay | mattf, you have to draw it! | 18:01 |
| mattf | `\o/` | 18:02 |
| elmiko | lol | 18:02 |
| tmckay | nice | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 7 18:02:33 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:02 |
| * SergeyLukjanov on PTO, so I'd like to end meeting in 20-30 mins :) | 18:03 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic sahara@horizon status (croberts) | 18:03 |
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| * mattf grins | 18:03 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's start with this | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, please | 18:03 |
| crobertsrh | Things are going pretty well after the merge.... | 18:03 |
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| crobertsrh | Several of our bug fixes are already merged as well | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-juno-post-merge-changes | 18:04 |
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| crobertsrh | I've been trying to keep that etherpad up to date in the event that I disappear for awhile | 18:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, could you please ack that you'll be in PTO for the two weeks (Aug 11-24) ? | 18:04 |
| crobertsrh | I have -1 workflow on a few patches that will be used for Spark, Storm and swift trusts | 18:04 |
| crobertsrh | Currently, I plan to start PTO on Aug 15 | 18:05 |
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| crobertsrh | If the baby has other plans, I will leave for PTO sooner | 18:05 |
| alazarev | crobertsrh: did you see https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1352590 ? | 18:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1352590 in horizon "[Sahara] A lot of things don't work in new horizon design" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 18:05 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, ack, NikitaKonovalov will work on dashboard stuff starting from the next week two | 18:05 |
| crobertsrh | alazarev: That is a new one for me. Probably bootstrap 3 related :) | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, for a few weeks I think | 18:05 |
| crobertsrh | Great | 18:05 |
| aignatov | interesting bug I also found two days ago | 18:05 |
| aignatov | https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1352812 | 18:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1352812 in sahara "[UI] NodeGroupCreate first frame looks incorrect" [High,Confirmed] | 18:05 |
| alazarev | crobertsrh: it looks like horizon.modals.addModalInitFunction stopped to work | 18:05 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | heh | 18:06 |
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| crobertsrh | aignatov: Yes, that is definitely related to bootstrap 3....my patch should fix that one. | 18:06 |
| crobertsrh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110680/ | 18:06 |
| aignatov | crobertsrh: cool | 18:06 |
| crobertsrh | The problem is that bootstrap 3 changed from "control-group" to "form-group" as a class name | 18:07 |
| crobertsrh | Our JS still referenced "control-group" in many places, resulting in ugly UI with extra, incorrect fields that we normally hide. | 18:07 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, great, I hope it'll be merged soon | 18:08 |
| crobertsrh | If things are still behaving badly after my above patch, we might need additional tweaks. | 18:08 |
| crobertsrh | Yeah, me too | 18:08 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | anything else re dashboard? | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:09 |
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| crobertsrh | Nothing else from me | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | non-dashboard time | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, thx! | 18:09 |
| * SergeyLukjanov working on moving sahara to the new just released oslo.* libs | 18:10 | |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and NikitaKonovalov is near to finish Sahara-Rally integration to easily perform perf testing of sahara itself | 18:10 |
| tmckay | I've been working on moving edp-examples and merging with integration tests, in prep for spark integration tests | 18:10 |
| elmiko | swift/auth is coming along, i am working on acquiring/revoking trusts related to data objects and job binaries, i have a few design related questions though. | 18:10 |
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| tmckay | Also, on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110576/, I've discovered today that extra "addResource" call for Java actions is not necessary in Oozie 4 | 18:11 |
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| tmckay | they fixed it :) | 18:11 |
| reshetnyaks | I'm working on CDH integration tests and parallel EDP integration tests | 18:11 |
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| tmckay | only outstanding issue for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110576/ is System.exit, hopefully they fixed that too, looking into it | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, nice | 18:12 |
| tmckay | if so, the spec request can go away | 18:12 |
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| tmckay | maybe it should go away anyway, because I'm not sure Sahara should be responsible for covering up "System.exit". If you have to change a job and recompile, well ... | 18:13 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, oh, I'm bad, I did not do my "action" yet -- spec for cancel/delete semantics | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, me too :) | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #action tmckay finishes spec and blueprint for job execution cancel/delete semantics | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #action SergeyLukjanov to talk with Horizon folks about features merge deadline | 18:14 |
| alazarev | I fixed anti-affinity for heat engine, but it will work with new heat only because support of server groups was added in July | 18:15 |
| tmckay | so, can we say that Sahara expects Oozie version 4? | 18:15 |
| tmckay | I believe the image builder pulls in most recent anyway... | 18:15 |
| tmckay | I think we were using version 3 when I made the original Java action with swift support, which is what required the conf section | 18:16 |
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| tmckay | maybe a "if you are using earlier than version 4, you need to ...." | 18:17 |
| aignatov | tmckay: I think we always used oozie 4 | 18:17 |
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| tmckay | hmm, okay. I must have had something strange way back when | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, ++ | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay, lets' move on | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic stable/icehouse: 2014.1.2 (Aug 7) | 18:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stable/icehouse: 2014.1.2 (Aug 7) (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:19 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, the new OpenStack stable/icehouse release is today | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | for Sahara it'll be a bit later - Monday I think | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, call for backports is open | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | if you think that we should backport smth - please ping me or do it | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Juno 3 (Sept 4) | 18:20 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://launchpad.net/sahara/+milestone/juno-3 | 18:20 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | it looks nice, but I think that we're already busy for j3 for new bps | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and there is a bunch of un-assigned issues | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 18:21 |
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| elmiko | for the swift/auth stuff, it is looking like we will only need a single trust to access storage objects within the same project, i'm going to adjust the JobExecution.config accordingly, but try to leave rooom for multi-tenancy in the future. does this sound acceptable? | 18:23 |
| tmckay | so spark will work with hdfs, but I haven't tried swift | 18:23 |
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| tmckay | at the very least, even if spark rides on top of hadoop, the configs need to be set. Maybe when elmiko swift auth changes are done, it will magically work | 18:23 |
| elmiko | also, i'm curious about how the swift-fs plugin for hadoop gets deployed | 18:24 |
| tmckay | elmiko, maybe we can get together and test this standalone, without all the changes being in sahara ... set up a trust, etc and try to verify by hand | 18:24 |
| elmiko | because once i start to make these changes, the old one won't work | 18:24 |
| elmiko | tmckay: test the access from spark? | 18:24 |
| tmckay | yeah | 18:25 |
| elmiko | i'm game to investigate with you | 18:25 |
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| elmiko | another design type question i have is, will it be a problem if i store the JobBinary and DataSource urls using the storageURL from Swift, and then filter out that url when displaying? | 18:26 |
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| elmiko | for example, now we store something like "swift://contianer.sahara/object", i would like to store "swift://storageURL.sahara/container/object" and then filter out the storageURL when we display the value. is this acceptable? | 18:27 |
| tmckay | oops, I might have been wrong about addResource ... darn | 18:27 |
| elmiko | i'll take silence as approval :) | 18:28 |
| crobertsrh | I'm a little fuzzy there... | 18:28 |
| crobertsrh | What will need to be entered for the swift URL? | 18:29 |
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| tmckay | elmiko, depends whether or not a cut and paste gives a valid url for a swift client, say the user has the proper auth | 18:29 |
| elmiko | i'd like to make it so that the user doesn't see a change, but internally sahara will filter out the swift URL | 18:29 |
| crobertsrh | Ah, got it | 18:29 |
| tmckay | elmiko, if the user can cut and paste, I'm fine with the filter | 18:29 |
| elmiko | tmckay: cut/paste from where? | 18:29 |
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| tmckay | elmiko, "display" | 18:29 |
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| crobertsrh | "display" won't have it, if I understand correctly | 18:30 |
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| tmckay | if we display a value, it should be usable from the swift client, imho | 18:30 |
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| elmiko | not sure i follow, but i think it will look no different to the user | 18:30 |
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| elmiko | well that's the issue, if you use the swift client with a username/password you can access containers/objects in the same project by their names. if you use an authentication token you must know the root storageURL for the Swift object store in that project. | 18:31 |
| tmckay | elmiko, when you say "filter out" do you mean leave an object field out completely, or change the value of a field | 18:31 |
| elmiko | tmckay: change the value before display | 18:31 |
| elmiko | tmckay: also, the workflow.xml would still contain the full url | 18:31 |
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| tmckay | okay, so all I'm saying is that the "changed" value should not mislead the user | 18:32 |
| elmiko | the difference would be, user sees "container.sahara/object", sahara sees "swift://<ip>:<port>/<swift auth id>/container.sahara/object" | 18:32 |
| tmckay | k | 18:33 |
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| tmckay | I think that's fine | 18:33 |
| elmiko | it's more filtering on the sahara side, also the "sahara sees" value will be in the workflow.xml as well | 18:33 |
| elmiko | ok | 18:34 |
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| aignatov | elmiko: I agree with this approach | 18:34 |
| elmiko | also, as i get closer to making this work, we will need to plan how we roll it out as it will make backward compat with the swift-fs stuff not possible. | 18:34 |
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| aignatov | if it’ll solve original problem :) | 18:34 |
| elmiko | it will :) | 18:35 |
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| elmiko | i'm confident we can eliminate sahara storing any credentials | 18:35 |
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| elmiko | thanks guys, that answer my questions... for now ;) | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any other topics? | 18:36 |
| aignatov | elmiko: we need to solve this problem too, not sure how right now, but should…. I mean about changes in swift-fs | 18:37 |
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| mattf | none from me | 18:37 |
| elmiko | aignatov: agreed, i need to know more about how that swift-fs plugin is deployed | 18:37 |
| aignatov | elmiko: it’s just a jar file which is intrgrated to hadoop classpasth | 18:38 |
| elmiko | aignatov: does sahara deploy it? | 18:38 |
| aignatov | sahara-image-elements script soes it | 18:39 |
| aignatov | *does | 18:39 |
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| tmckay | no more topics for me | 18:39 |
| elmiko | ok, so i need to make sure that it gets upstream for sahara-image-elements. also the hwx guys will need to deploy it to their download location. | 18:39 |
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| elmiko | this is gonna be complicated to coordinate before the end of juno freeze | 18:40 |
| aignatov | elmiko: here https://github.com/openstack/sahara-image-elements/blob/master/elements/swift_hadoop/post-install.d/81-add-jar | 18:40 |
| elmiko | aignatov: thanks! | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, yeah, sounds like very huge task | 18:40 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: that's my largest concern at this point, how we will integrate to get all the pieces in place. | 18:40 |
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| elmiko | we can talk more next week though | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, the j3 is deadline for such feature, so, probably it makes sence to preverntually move it to the K release but I really like to see it done in J | 18:41 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: i'd like to see it done for J as well. i think the coding will be done, we will need to be aggressive about integration though. | 18:42 |
| elmiko | this is also why i'm trying to push changes now that won't break things, but that will soon change. | 18:42 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, yeah | 18:42 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: if it would make things easier i can post an email to the openstack-dev list detailing the issues so we have good visibility on what needs to happen. | 18:43 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, it's a good option, so, yes, please | 18:44 |
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| elmiko | ok, will do | 18:44 |
| alazarev | elmiko: +1 on email to openstack-dev | 18:44 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | time to end meeting? | 18:47 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 18:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:47 | |
| crobertsrh | +1 end | 18:47 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 7 18:47:51 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thanks folks! | 18:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-08-07-18.02.html | 18:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-08-07-18.02.txt | 18:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-08-07-18.02.log.html | 18:47 |
| elmiko | later | 18:48 |
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| amitgandhinz | #startmeeting | 19:15 |
| openstack | amitgandhinz: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | #startmeeting Poppy Team Meeting | 19:15 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 7 19:15:49 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:15 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Poppy Team Meeting)" | 19:15 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'poppy_team_meeting' | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Introductions | 19:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Introductions (Meeting topic: Poppy Team Meeting)" | 19:16 | |
| amitgandhinz | we dont have much to talk about yet today | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | lets recap next week | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | #endmeeting | 19:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:17 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 7 19:17:35 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:17 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_team_meeting/2014/poppy_team_meeting.2014-08-07-19.15.html | 19:17 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_team_meeting/2014/poppy_team_meeting.2014-08-07-19.15.txt | 19:17 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_team_meeting/2014/poppy_team_meeting.2014-08-07-19.15.log.html | 19:17 |
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| arnaud | #startmeeting glance | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 7 20:00:21 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is arnaud. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 20:00 |
| zhiyan | o/ | 20:00 |
| arnaud | o/ | 20:00 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 20:01 |
| arnaud | nikhil___, | 20:01 |
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| rosmaita | light agenda today: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 20:01 |
| nikhil___ | o/ | 20:01 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 20:01 |
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| arnaud | yep | 20:01 |
| arnaud | let's wait for TravT to show up | 20:01 |
| arnaud | to discuss the metadefs | 20:01 |
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| jcook | o/ | 20:02 |
| arnaud | so Mark is on vacation | 20:02 |
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| arnaud | for the next 2/3 weeks | 20:03 |
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| arnaud | wayne_, do you know if Travis is going to show up? | 20:03 |
| lakshmiS | he is joining | 20:03 |
| arnaud | sounds good | 20:04 |
| wayne_ | yes, i believe so | 20:04 |
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| ativelkov | arnaud: do you know if Mark has sent email to TC (Thierry?) about the Murano topic? | 20:05 |
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| arnaud | ativelkov, afaik Mark discussed with Thierry last week | 20:05 |
| TravT | o/ | 20:05 |
| arnaud | ativelkov, maybe we can add an item to the agenda | 20:06 |
| arnaud | to discuss about that later | 20:06 |
| hemanth__ | o/ | 20:06 |
| arnaud | ok? | 20:06 |
| ativelkov | ok, sure | 20:06 |
| arnaud | #topic metadefs | 20:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "metadefs (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:06 | |
| arnaud | so, to give some context, we had an email thread yesterday, to figure out what we want to do with the metadefs patches | 20:07 |
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| arnaud | ideally, we would need to land these patches as soon as possible to have the Horizon team looking at the Horizon patches | 20:08 |
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| arnaud | however, from my perspective it doesn't seem reasonable to rush to much to land those | 20:08 |
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| arnaud | at least not in the next couple of days | 20:09 |
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| arnaud | so, I suggested to make it a priority to review to have those landed in Juno-3 | 20:09 |
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| arnaud | and at the same time the Horizon team could start looking at the Horizon patches | 20:09 |
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| arnaud | are you guys fine with that? | 20:09 |
| zhiyan | agreed, i think to make it landing in j3 makes more sense | 20:10 |
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| arnaud | TravT, doesn't that sound OK for you? | 20:10 |
| TravT | i also don't like rushing things. only reason was david lyle was resistant to reviewing without it being landed. | 20:11 |
| TravT | but i think he's okay. | 20:11 |
| arnaud | I think we should be able to review in parallel | 20:11 |
| TravT | i do too | 20:11 |
| TravT | i'm glad you said that in the email thread | 20:11 |
| arnaud | so the idea for glance cores is to review in priority the metadefs stuff | 20:12 |
| TravT | wayne is gonna get them a script to setup glance. i'm also have zip file that will basically give them a mock glance API for metadefs | 20:12 |
| arnaud | ok great | 20:12 |
| TravT | so they shouldn't have much reason to push back on reviewing horizon standalone | 20:13 |
| arnaud | maybe it would be nice to share the link with all of the information | 20:13 |
| TravT | because i'm sure we'll need several rounds of reviews in horizon. | 20:13 |
| arnaud | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-metadata-catalog-tasks | 20:13 |
| arnaud | could you give an an update of the patches? | 20:14 |
| arnaud | I mean, did you have the time to address the comments posted so far? | 20:14 |
| TravT | well, our guys in Poland are generating a lot of tests right now | 20:14 |
| TravT | lakshmiS and wayne___ can update on where they are | 20:14 |
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| lakshmiS | functionality is complete. adding more unit tests | 20:15 |
| TravT | for horizon, i'm bringing the namespace admin console up to date with latest bootstrap changes. pawels is working on the widgets. | 20:16 |
| arnaud | ok sounds good | 20:16 |
| wayne_ | db is functionally complete | 20:16 |
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| TravT | i was just looking at the python-glanceclient | 20:17 |
| TravT | i think they need to make some renames | 20:17 |
| zhiyan | the change on api stuff is complete and pushed up right? | 20:17 |
| arnaud | I think from a glance perspective, the most important thing is the API part https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111455/ , even if we kinda agreed on the API at the meetup, it is also good to make sure everybody is happy with it | 20:17 |
| TravT | a bunch of places they need to change metadata --> metadefs | 20:17 |
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| lakshmiS | API renaming and refactoring has been done is up for review in patch | 20:18 |
| arnaud | ok cool lakshmiS | 20:18 |
| zhiyan | nice lakshmiS | 20:18 |
| arnaud | so I think we are OK with the metadefs at the moment | 20:18 |
| arnaud | TravT, anything else you want to add? | 20:19 |
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| TravT | the glanceclient will still be a gating factor for final +2 in horizon | 20:20 |
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| TravT | so even if we can get horizon reviews started | 20:20 |
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| TravT | it won't be able to get merged until the client is there | 20:20 |
| TravT | so, if we could plan this sooner than the very last day of Juno 3, it would be "helpful" | 20:20 |
| arnaud | yes, OK | 20:21 |
| TravT | thanks, we appreciate the time and reviews that you are all putting in! | 20:21 |
| arnaud | I think we will sync up at each glance irc meeting to see what the status is for those 4 patches | 20:21 |
| TravT | +1 | 20:21 |
| arnaud | you mentioned earlier some script to set things up? do you know where you will put them? | 20:22 |
| TravT | hmmm... perhaps we can upload to wiki? | 20:23 |
| arnaud | sounds good to me | 20:23 |
| TravT | ok. we'll send that out. | 20:23 |
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| arnaud | please add the URL here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-metadata-catalog-tasks, as soon as you have it | 20:24 |
| arnaud | ok, I think we can move to the next item | 20:24 |
| TravT | ok | 20:25 |
| arnaud | #topic tasks | 20:25 |
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| arnaud | nikhil___, you around? | 20:25 |
| nikhil___ | yes | 20:25 |
| nikhil___ | so, just a quick status update | 20:25 |
| nikhil___ | I've made some changes to the patch as per zhi's awesome comments | 20:25 |
| arnaud | do you have the link of the patch handy? | 20:26 |
| nikhil___ | yeah, getting the link | 20:26 |
| nikhil___ | however, I'm seeing some race conditions to the intergrations tests which result into failure intermittently | 20:27 |
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| nikhil___ | we've observed that internally in our deployment infra as well | 20:27 |
| zhiyan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/44355/ ? | 20:27 |
| nikhil___ | yes, thanks | 20:27 |
| nikhil___ | haven't pushed them up yet | 20:27 |
| arnaud | do you know approximately what is the reason for that? | 20:27 |
| nikhil___ | yeah, we've anrrowed down the reason | 20:27 |
| nikhil___ | and temporary hack | 20:27 |
| nikhil___ | the eventlet threads invoked while running those lifecycle tests do no finish before the test finishes | 20:28 |
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| nikhil___ | so the sqllite db is destroyed and we see trace and sometime hang | 20:28 |
| nikhil___ | the hang is a new thing, possibly due to some latests improvements in the glance code so debugging that is taking time | 20:29 |
| arnaud | nikhil___, would task flow solve the problem? | 20:29 |
| nikhil___ | don't think so, it the tests which need modification | 20:29 |
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| arnaud | oh I see ok | 20:29 |
| nikhil___ | anyways, don't want to block our progress | 20:29 |
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| arnaud | so, what's your recommendation for now? | 20:30 |
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| nikhil___ | if we do not have a elegant solution by tuesday / next week wilkl push up a PS with time.sleep adter some tests | 20:30 |
| nikhil___ | it adds the testing time by a min or so more | 20:30 |
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| arnaud | ok | 20:30 |
| nikhil___ | however, I'm also looking at the concurrency patch | 20:30 |
| arnaud | which patch? :) | 20:31 |
| nikhil___ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108427/ | 20:31 |
| nikhil___ | that was sup to be discussed last week | 20:31 |
| nikhil___ | we could not due to the store meeting :) | 20:31 |
| arnaud | ok | 20:31 |
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| arnaud | could you tell us more about that patch? is that related to the task patch? | 20:32 |
| nikhil___ | it's not , it's to do more about speeding up the glance tests | 20:32 |
| zhiyan | nikhil___: interesting, now jenkins tests it ok. i'd like to verify it again, cherry-pick and run it locally. | 20:33 |
| nikhil___ | on some single/virtual core systems, they take almost half an hour to run | 20:33 |
| nikhil___ | zhiyan: yeah, that's what I was wondering too | 20:33 |
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| arnaud | do you have a number with/without that patch how it takes? | 20:34 |
| zhiyan | nikhil___: would you mind i recheck/re-run jenkins on it one more? | 20:34 |
| arnaud | based on the number of cores that you have :) | 20:34 |
| nikhil___ | arnaud: have some informal numbers atm | 20:34 |
| nikhil___ | they are | 20:35 |
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| zhiyan | arnaud: in my env, i have 4 vcpus, but i can't pass the tests due to i can see some race condition issue one some tests.. | 20:35 |
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| nikhil___ | for 4 core system, in parallel they take about 7-7.5 mins | 20:35 |
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| nikhil___ | while sequentially, they take 20+ | 20:36 |
| arnaud | yes that's definitely much better... | 20:36 |
| arnaud | let me try that too on my machine | 20:36 |
| nikhil___ | actually, this is worse on a VM server | 20:36 |
| nikhil___ | it's more than 30 mins for most of the runs | 20:37 |
| nikhil___ | all this is excluding the venv creation | 20:37 |
| arnaud | yep... that's a pain | 20:37 |
| zhiyan | double-check, currently jenkins vm within gate has 4 vcpu right? nikhil___ | 20:37 |
| nikhil___ | not sure zhiyan | 20:38 |
| zhiyan | i will check it, ok. | 20:39 |
| arnaud | ok, so to sum up about the task: we should wait next tuesday before looking at, right? | 20:39 |
| nikhil___ | zhiyan: do you mind pasting a link to failing tests on the review (in a gist or paste) ? | 20:39 |
| arnaud | btw, nikhil___ did you address the security issue file to file? | 20:40 |
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| nikhil___ | arnaud: yeah, will try to summarize the situation until then and we can take the next best step | 20:40 |
| zhiyan | sure, if i can get ones. and let me do "recheck no bug" on it. | 20:40 |
| nikhil___ | arnaud: will have it then (not yet) | 20:40 |
| arnaud | ok, great | 20:40 |
| nikhil___ | I mean, it's wip (security concern) | 20:40 |
| nikhil___ | zhiyan: sure, thanks | 20:40 |
| arnaud | ok, so next on our agenda is the glance.store lib | 20:41 |
| arnaud | #topic glance.store | 20:41 |
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| arnaud | flaper87|afk, seems to be AFK | 20:41 |
| arnaud | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100636/ | 20:42 |
| arnaud | based on our poll last week, we decided to continue the efforts to have the glance.store library | 20:42 |
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| nikhil___ | ok, great. so what's next for glance? or do we keep them separate for now? | 20:43 |
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| arnaud | so apparently flaper87|afk released an alpha version of the lib: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/glance.store/0.0.1a2 | 20:43 |
| arnaud | with that, there should not have other blockers to integrate with glance | 20:44 |
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| arnaud | however, we have a couple of patches in the stores that are in the glance codebase but not in the glance.store codebase | 20:45 |
| zhiyan | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100636/ | 20:45 |
| arnaud | so, we will need to port them | 20:45 |
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| arnaud | the problem being that it's not a clean patch from what I have seen | 20:45 |
| nikhil___ | I would prefer to wait until at least a stable beta is released | 20:46 |
| nikhil___ | however, +1 to getting this in j-3 | 20:46 |
| arnaud | so, I think the rule for now is to that: before accepting a store patch to glance, we need to have the patch proposed to to glance.store with green jenkins | 20:46 |
| zhiyan | how to get the function/patch list for the port | 20:47 |
| nikhil___ | arnaud: yes, thanks wanted to express the same concern | 20:47 |
| arnaud | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/glance.store,n,z | 20:47 |
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| arnaud | for now there is nothing to review, but I expect this to grow | 20:47 |
| arnaud | :) | 20:47 |
| nikhil___ | also, do we have the links to those coulpe commits that are in glance and not in the glance.store lib ? | 20:47 |
| arnaud | flaper87|afk, might have it | 20:48 |
| arnaud | it should be easy to get | 20:48 |
| nikhil___ | sure | 20:48 |
| arnaud | #action get the list of patches that are in glance and not glance.store | 20:48 |
| arnaud | so hopefully this integration with glance will happen soon | 20:49 |
| nikhil___ | :) | 20:50 |
| arnaud | ativelkov, would you mind giving an update on artifacts? | 20:50 |
| ativelkov | sure | 20:50 |
| arnaud | #topic artifacts | 20:50 |
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| ruhe | arnaud: ativelkov will reconnect in a second. he's got disconnected from irc bouncer | 20:52 |
| ativelkov | I've updated the spec, API and data model based on what we had discussed on the mini-summit | 20:52 |
| ativelkov | We'll submit for the review soon | 20:52 |
| ativelkov | Got some feedback from TravT about the type-specific metadata field and their types | 20:52 |
| ativelkov | did you get messages from me? | 20:52 |
| arnaud | yes ativelkov | 20:53 |
| ativelkov | Seems like I've gor some network issues, sorry | 20:53 |
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| arnaud | so, we are going to take a look at the updated spec then | 20:53 |
| ativelkov | So, in general I am trying to align the artifact metadata definitions with the metadefs by now. Will need some help from TravT and his team with this | 20:54 |
| nikhil___ | is this feature planned for j-3 or k-1 now ? | 20:54 |
| arnaud | yes, this is great, it will be nice if there is consistency between them | 20:54 |
| TravT | ativelkov: yes | 20:55 |
| ativelkov | nikhil___: still planning to fit this inside j3 | 20:55 |
| TravT | I can help | 20:55 |
| nikhil___ | ok, thanks | 20:55 |
| ativelkov | Yet it takes longer then I expected initially | 20:55 |
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| TravT | also, once we get metadefs landed, i think lakshmiS and wayne_ will be able to help with code | 20:56 |
| ativelkov | great, thanks! | 20:56 |
| arnaud | ativelkov, you want to share the Murano proposal with the team? | 20:56 |
| arnaud | we don't have much time left | 20:56 |
| ativelkov | that's better question to ruhe, as he is Murano's PTL now | 20:57 |
| ruhe | arnaud: i'd like to hear from Mark first | 20:57 |
| ruhe | on the results of his discussion with Thierry | 20:57 |
| arnaud | sure, no problem. Since we don't have time left anyway, that's better :) | 20:57 |
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| ativelkov | BTW, we'got one more man working with me on Glance from Mirantis' side | 20:58 |
| ativelkov | rvasilets, welcome ;) | 20:58 |
| arnaud | great welcome rvasilets | 20:58 |
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| arnaud | #topic open discussion | 20:58 |
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| ativelkov | If we have any "low hanging fruits" or something for rvasilets to get familiar with the codebase - that would help a lot | 20:59 |
| arnaud | we definitely need to do a better job at tagging bugs... | 20:59 |
| rvasilets | Hello to all. I'm assigned at glance. Can someone give me some small bug/ I want to fix it. Thanks, Roman. | 21:00 |
| lakshmiS | any plans on merging https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103959/ soon. we can include this feature in metadefs once the patch merges or add this feature in next patch | 21:00 |
| arnaud | have you looked at https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bugs?field.tag=low-hanging-fruit ? | 21:00 |
| arnaud | yes lakshmiS, this will land soon | 21:01 |
| arnaud | I am going to re-review it later today | 21:01 |
| arnaud | ok, we are overtime | 21:01 |
| lakshmiS | ok thx | 21:01 |
| arnaud | thanks guys | 21:01 |
| arnaud | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 7 21:01:27 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-08-07-20.00.html | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-08-07-20.00.txt | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-08-07-20.00.log.html | 21:01 |
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