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| zns | #startmeeting satori | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 8 15:01:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zns. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: satori)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'satori' | 15:01 |
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| zns | Hi there - who's here for satori? | 15:02 |
| samstav | hola o/ | 15:02 |
| n1ck-o | o/ | 15:02 |
| zns | hola | 15:02 |
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| walker_ | o/ | 15:03 |
| zns | #topic Action Items | 15:03 |
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| zns | Checking action items from last logged meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-08-25-15.02.html | 15:04 |
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| zns | @samstav: you have to commits in the action logs. What was outstanding on those? | 15:04 |
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| zns | The keep-alive one seems to have been merged already. | 15:05 |
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| zns | The sudo - one I think we talked about adding a test for? | 15:05 |
| samstav | @zns, right. I think those links ended up there as my response to an action item that was assigned to me being completed | 15:06 |
| zns | Cool. So next steps are clear on those, I think. | 15:07 |
| samstav | But the subsequent (still open) bug fix which is related still needs tests | 15:07 |
| samstav | yes, clear. | 15:07 |
| zns | Could someone also review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118843/. I +1ed it this morning. | 15:07 |
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| zns | nick-o: You had a powershell version check issue also. What's the status on that? | 15:08 |
| n1ck-o | I haven't had time to look into that yet, I'm trying to get that done this week | 15:08 |
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| n1ck-o | so we need to move this action to next week's meeting | 15:08 |
| zns | n1ck-o: sorry, used the wrong alias. | 15:09 |
| zns | Cool. Is there a blueprint yet? | 15:09 |
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| n1ck-o | I think there is, it's been so long | 15:09 |
| n1ck-o | let me check | 15:09 |
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| zns | If there's a blueprint, then we won't need an action item. | 15:09 |
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| n1ck-o | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/satori/+spec/powershell-version | 15:09 |
| samstav | I didn't know that blueprints and action items were mutually exclusive | 15:10 |
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| n1ck-o | neither did I, but that doesn't mean much ;) | 15:10 |
| zns | Cool. So no action item needed. Submit a patch whenever you're ready. We're not really running openstack-synchronized releases right now. | 15:10 |
| samstav | DRY? | 15:10 |
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| samstav | cool | 15:11 |
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| n1ck-o | sounds good :) | 15:12 |
| zns | I see action items as a way to track things that need to be done so they don't fall off into the ether. Blueprints accomplish that. Normally, blueprints get scheduled for a milestone and a release manager hounds the owner for delivery. We're not doing that right now because we don't have any openstack dependencies. | 15:12 |
| zns | #topic General Discussion | 15:13 |
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| zns | Anyone want to bring anything up? I don't have anything right now. | 15:14 |
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| samstav | I put down 2 idea points last meeting, but I think the agent based provider still has some incubating to do. The other (ssl discovery) may not be a priority? | 15:16 |
| zns | By "monitoring agent" you mean the Rackspace Cloud Monitoring agent? | 15:16 |
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| samstav | yes | 15:16 |
| zns | That's a Rackspace non-open source agent. We could add that as a library to import, but I'm not sure it belongs in satori. | 15:17 |
| zns | I mean the agent is open source, but Cloud Monitoring is not. | 15:17 |
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| samstav | I see. | 15:18 |
| samstav | Not sure at this point if there is any generic work we'll need to do for that. | 15:18 |
| zns | FYI Ideas can also go in as blueprints and they get discussed, approved, or rejected as blueprints. Bringing them up here is totally valid, but also document them as a blueprint. | 15:19 |
| zns | What do you mean by SSL/TLS checks? You mean checking the certificate of an endpoint? | 15:19 |
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| samstav | @zns yes | 15:19 |
| zns | I like that. Yes. We could port the code we use internally. | 15:20 |
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| zns | If you add it as a blueprint I will approve it. | 15:20 |
| samstav | There is a lot of static data in that module... Maybe we could look into a maintained lib | 15:21 |
| samstav | Cool, I'll add the blueprint. | 15:21 |
| zns | The static data comes from the SSL spec or header file from OpenSSL, I think. | 15:21 |
| zns | ... but that may be a netter discussion to have on the patch. | 15:22 |
| zns | better | 15:22 |
| samstav | :+1: | 15:22 |
| zns | Cool. | 15:22 |
| zns | Anything else? | 15:22 |
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| samstav | I know what I need to do. Nothing else from me | 15:23 |
| zns | Cool. Going twice... | 15:23 |
| zns | OK. Thanks all. See you next week. | 15:23 |
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| zns | #endmeeting | 15:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 8 15:23:57 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-09-08-15.01.html | 15:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-09-08-15.01.txt | 15:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-09-08-15.01.log.html | 15:24 |
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| catherine_d | hello | 19:10 |
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| rockyg | Is the RefStack meeting here or on 3? | 19:12 |
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| catherine_d | yes I am | 19:13 |
| catherine_d | should be here | 19:14 |
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| rockyg | how long should we wait? | 19:17 |
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| catherine_d | roll call ? | 19:18 |
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| rockyg | We should start the meeting for that: #startmeeting refstack | 19:20 |
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| rockyg | or #meetingstart refstack | 19:20 |
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| rockyg | Or....lemme check | 19:21 |
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| rockyg | #start refstack | 19:21 |
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| rockyg | nope. dang! | 19:22 |
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| juliashapovalov2 | #startmeeting refstack | 19:23 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 8 19:23:56 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is juliashapovalov2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:23 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:24 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:24 |
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| rockyg | #meeting refstack | 19:24 |
| rockyg | Thankyou juliashpovalov2 | 19:25 |
| rockyg | Rollcall | 19:25 |
| catherine_d | here | 19:25 |
| rockyg | o/ | 19:25 |
| juliashapovalov2 | here | 19:25 |
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| rockyg | #topic status | 19:26 |
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| rockyg | (juliashapovalov2 needs to do all commands) | 19:26 |
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| catherine_d | refstack.org site is down ... | 19:28 |
| juliashapovalov2 | #topic status | 19:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "status (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:28 | |
| rockyg | So, where are we? what needs core review? Please put up the links to the reviews that need core. | 19:28 |
| catherine_d | David just join ... | 19:29 |
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| zehicle | o/ | 19:30 |
| catherine_d | not sure why this one fail gate .. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117651/ | 19:30 |
| rockyg | zehicle: were you on the same flight as davidlenwell? | 19:31 |
| davidlenwell | I am here | 19:32 |
| rockyg | Any waiting for core review? | 19:32 |
| davidlenwell | give me a minute to catch up | 19:32 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle: was on a call that ran long | 19:32 |
| davidlenwell | I was in the air | 19:32 |
| rockyg | nothing to catch up on, yet;-) | 19:33 |
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| zehicle | I've got a review for the designated sections shema | 19:35 |
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| rockyg | I need to review that. | 19:37 |
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| rockyg | zehicle: question: should the definitive havana defcore json files live under OpenStack governance? | 19:38 |
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| rockyg | Once settled, it should be owned by the board, right? | 19:39 |
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| zehicle | yes | 19:39 |
| zehicle | there's no other place for files like these that also have gerrit voting | 19:39 |
| fcarpenter | (sorry I'm late) | 19:40 |
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| rockyg | That would mean that all the files in refstack should be generated from the governance files, such as capabilities.json | 19:40 |
| catherine_d | zehicle : so the tests for havana will be from tempest-stable-havana and not from the current tempest master right? | 19:41 |
| juliashapovalov2 | question regarding the havanacore: shouldn't this file correspond to tests in Tempest master? i mean if tests will be changed or deprecated these changes should be reflected in json also | 19:41 |
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| rockyg | Remember: tests for Havana are against the Havana *release*, not against the current state of OpenStack projects. | 19:43 |
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| juliashapovalov2 | it would be inconsistent to support one OpenStack version only from separate branch | 19:43 |
| zehicle | juliashapovalov2, we do want the tests to be from trunk tempest | 19:43 |
| zehicle | davidlenwell, did we make progress on getting UUIDs for tests? | 19:44 |
| zehicle | that would be needed | 19:44 |
| rockyg | fyi: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:+stackforge/refstack,n,z | 19:44 |
| rockyg | Link to open reviews | 19:44 |
| zehicle | rockyg, so we need to have a way to know which tests were there for each release | 19:44 |
| zehicle | I'm multithreaded, sorry about the lags | 19:44 |
| davidlenwell | not yet .. I'll have answers this week | 19:44 |
| zehicle | juliashapovalov2, +1. I think we agreed in ATL that we'd be from trunk for all releases including havana | 19:45 |
| catherine_d | davidlenwell and zehicle: woudl adding uuid to test be a good topic for design session on Paris? | 19:45 |
| davidlenwell | I Want to solve it long before paris | 19:46 |
| rockyg | Zehicle: so we are from trunk, but are we taking tests fro HEAD, or from when the release was cut? | 19:46 |
| juliashapovalov2 | tests may be released much later then official OpenStack version// | 19:47 |
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| davidlenwell | the data still doesn't mean anything over time without the uuid's | 19:47 |
| zehicle | rockyg, the later - from when the release was cut | 19:47 |
| zehicle | we cant have tests that shows up in Icehouse be part of the havana critieria | 19:47 |
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| zehicle | we're limited to the tests that were there at the release | 19:48 |
| zehicle | otherwise it's a moving target | 19:48 |
| zehicle | besides, for core, we're talking about stable features only | 19:48 |
| catherine_d | so if it is from release the refstack-client need to be able to test at release level ... | 19:48 |
| zehicle | so there should not be a lot of new tests that change the functionality | 19:48 |
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| zehicle | catherine_d, we'd test all the tests and then apply a "which release does this pass filter" | 19:49 |
| catherine_d | <zehicle> the problem is not for the new test ... but for the tests that are relocated | 19:49 |
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| zehicle | it would be interesting if we tested icehouse and could say it passed core for havana & icehouse. frankly, it should be able to do that | 19:49 |
| zehicle | catherine_d, yes. that's why we need IDs | 19:49 |
| catherine_d | yes ... so without UUID .. are we stuck now? | 19:50 |
| juliashapovalov2 | what format of UUID's do you expect? | 19:50 |
| zehicle | I | 19:50 |
| zehicle | I | 19:50 |
| juliashapovalov2 | we can mock them for now, i beleive | 19:50 |
| zehicle | I'd like to have a workaround, but I do think we'll need UUIDs to complete the cycle | 19:50 |
| catherine_d | <zehicle> agree ... | 19:51 |
| zehicle | we could also have a lookup table | 19:51 |
| catherine_d | I think it will take sometime for uuid feature to be implemented | 19:51 |
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| rockyg | also, zehicle, does DefCore have a repository in governance yet? | 19:51 |
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| zehicle | rockyg, no | 19:52 |
| zehicle | did not realize that there was a dedicated repo for that - is that what the TC is using? | 19:53 |
| zehicle | if so, we can move the /defcore items to that | 19:53 |
| rockyg | woa! uh, what just happened? Flood o' messages | 19:53 |
| zehicle | ah, ok. #link https://github.com/openstack/governance | 19:54 |
| zehicle | I'd be happy to move the defcore stuff to that | 19:54 |
| zehicle | but want to make sure that we've got the right Core reviewers. Who manages that repo? | 19:54 |
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| rockyg | That one looks like TC. Lemme do some more looking, though. | 19:56 |
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| zehicle | the question to me is, does it help refstack to have those outside of the repo? I don't really care where they reside | 19:59 |
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| rockyg | I really think the changes, once official, need to be owned by the foundation, not by the implementers of the certification software | 20:00 |
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| * redrobot is ready to chair barbican meeting | 20:01 | |
| rockyg | Can we end meeting and move to Refstack? Barbican has this now? | 20:01 |
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| catherine_d | sure | 20:02 |
| rockyg | I think Juliashapovalov2 needs to 3endmeeting | 20:02 |
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| rockyg | #endmeeting that is... | 20:02 |
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| juliashapovalov2 | #endmeeting | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 8 20:02:41 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-09-08-19.23.html | 20:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-09-08-19.23.txt | 20:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-09-08-19.23.log.html | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 8 20:02:56 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:03 |
| redrobot | back to back meetings... gotta love mondays :) | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | As usual the agenda can be found here: | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:03 |
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| bubbva | hi! o/ | 20:04 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:04 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:04 | |
| chellygel | \( ^___^ )/ | 20:04 |
| redrobot | hi bubbva! | 20:04 |
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| SheenaG1 | o/ | 20:04 |
| atiwari | o/ | 20:04 |
| woodster_ | \o | 20:04 |
| hockeynut | o-- | 20:04 |
| bubbva | oops, was premature o/ | 20:05 |
| reaperhulk | \\o o// | 20:05 |
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| alee | o/ | 20:05 |
| rellerreller | o/ | 20:05 |
| SheenaG1 | reaperhulk: I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to do that | 20:05 |
| jaosorior | o/ | 20:05 |
| akoneru | o/ | 20:05 |
| SheenaG1 | reaperhulk: you should see a doctor | 20:05 |
| reaperhulk | Maybe I'm Goro | 20:05 |
| hockeynut | you mean Groot? | 20:05 |
| redrobot | reaperhulk Goro only had one head :-P | 20:05 |
| reaperhulk | Some MK aficionados here | 20:05 |
| jaosorior | Lol | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | ok, looks like we got the whole crew here | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | much better than just jvrbanac SheenaG1 and I last week. :) | 20:06 |
| jvrbanac | o/ | 20:06 |
| jvrbanac | :D | 20:06 |
| redrobot | we have lots of stuff on the agenda today, so let's get started | 20:07 |
| arunkant | o/ | 20:07 |
| redrobot | #topic Kilo Design Sessions | 20:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo Design Sessions (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:07 | |
| alee | do we have an etherpad somewhere with suggested design sessions? | 20:07 |
| redrobot | So, with the Kilo summit just under two months away, we should start thinking about what our design sessions should be | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | alee not yet, but that's an excellent idea | 20:08 |
| redrobot | let me make one real quick | 20:08 |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-kilo-design-sessions | 20:08 |
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| alee | redrobot, there is also the usual website where folks suggest design sessions .. not sure if thats up yet .. | 20:09 |
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| alee | in case anyone misses the etherpad | 20:09 |
| redrobot | alee there was a huge discussion about changing the format for the design sessions in the openstack-dev list | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | but I still haven't read the whole thing | 20:09 |
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| atiwari | alee, not up yet | 20:09 |
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| alee | atiwari, thanks - ok etherpad for now then prhaps. | 20:10 |
| rm_work | oops, almost missed this o/ | 20:10 |
| redrobot | yes, let's collaborate on the etherpad | 20:10 |
| redrobot | One thing I'd like to see for the summit is a review of the plugin architecture | 20:11 |
| rellerreller | What was the subject line for the discussion on etherpad? I have been too busy to read the mailing list lately. | 20:11 |
| redrobot | rellerreller possible design sessions for the Kilo summit | 20:11 |
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| redrobot | I'd also like to talk about 3rd party testing during the Kilo summit | 20:12 |
| rellerreller | redrobot thanks! | 20:12 |
| redrobot | I'll make a note to revisit the etherpad for next week's meeting | 20:13 |
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| alee | redrobot, perhaps you can add the etherpad link to the wiki - seeing as its something that we're going to use for a little while | 20:13 |
| redrobot | in the meantime, we can start putting ideas there | 20:13 |
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| redrobot | alee sounds good, I'll add it to the main Barbican wiki page | 20:14 |
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| redrobot | #action redrobot to add Kilo Design Sessions etherpad to wiki | 20:14 |
| redrobot | it'll be good to revisit the wiki page | 20:15 |
| redrobot | anything else we want to talk about for kilo design sessions? or is everyone good with etherpading until next week? | 20:15 |
| rellerreller | how much time or how many slots do we have? | 20:15 |
| reaperhulk | We should have at least 3 but redrobot may know more :) | 20:16 |
| redrobot | rellerreller that's a good question... I need to catch up on the design summit thread on poenstack-dev | 20:16 |
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| redrobot | Last I saw, we were only going to get two slots on the first day :-\ | 20:16 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to figure out how many slots we'll be having | 20:16 |
| rellerreller | Is the design summit first and then the user session? | 20:16 |
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| redrobot | I think design summit is Tuesday-Friday | 20:17 |
| alee | rellerreller, even if we don't have enough slots - the remainder could form the basis of discussions in the informal designs sessions .. | 20:17 |
| alee | I assume we're going to get a table like the last time, right? | 20:17 |
| redrobot | alee yes, I would think so | 20:18 |
| redrobot | the table was definitely helpful last summit | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller https://www.openstack.org/summit/openstack-paris-summit-2014/format-and-passes/ | 20:18 |
| alee | redrobot, ok - can we "table" till next week then? | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | alee lol, sure | 20:18 |
| redrobot | moving on | 20:18 |
| redrobot | #topic Juno Roadmap Discussions | 20:19 |
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| redrobot | who added this topic? For some reason I didn't get any emails about wiki edits today | 20:19 |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-juno-final-roadmap | 20:20 |
| alee | my guess is woodster_ | 20:20 |
| woodster_ | that was me | 20:20 |
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| woodster_ | just an attempt to fine tune what we wanted to get in for Juno release | 20:20 |
| woodster_ | ...but if we just have to Sept 25 to be in release candidate mode, might really need to chop that list down | 20:20 |
| alee | well - thats the question then -- when is our deadline? | 20:21 |
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| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 20:21 |
| redrobot | J3 was released last week | 20:22 |
| redrobot | so Barbican is now considered "feature complete" for Juno | 20:22 |
| redrobot | or should be anyway | 20:22 |
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| redrobot | there were two blueprints that were pushed to milestone one | 20:22 |
| redrobot | err RC1 | 20:22 |
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| redrobot | which should be out on Sept 25th | 20:22 |
| woodster_ | Does anyone know if we can make a Kilo branch to hold Kilo-facing work before the final Juno release in October? | 20:23 |
| alee | redrobot, right - so what does "release Candidates" mean? code freeze except for absolute exceptions? | 20:23 |
| redrobot | alee Yes, I would think we want to code freeze, except for bugfixes | 20:23 |
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| rellerreller | I thought you could only get in code now if you filed a Feature Freeze Exception. | 20:24 |
| redrobot | basically RC1 should have all the functionality we need, so we can iterate on polish for the remainder RCs | 20:24 |
| redrobot | rellerreller new feature code, yes | 20:24 |
| atiwari | redrobot, wondering why https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/api-orders-add-more-types was not part of J3? | 20:24 |
| redrobot | atiwari because you said there was one more CR that was needed. Since your CR did not merge for the deadline I had to push it back to RC1 | 20:24 |
| atiwari | RC1 will be part of J3? | 20:25 |
| redrobot | atiwari no, J3 was Juno release Milestone 3 | 20:25 |
| reaperhulk | It will be part of Juno final. Juno 3 is already released. | 20:25 |
| redrobot | atiwari RC1 is Juno release candidate 1 | 20:25 |
| atiwari | ok | 20:25 |
| alee | woodster_, redrobot, rellerreller - the definitions are still a little fuzzy to me. Looking at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-juno-final-roadmap, is there anything that should not be in there for juno-final? | 20:26 |
| redrobot | I think we want it all to be in juno final | 20:27 |
| alee | of course we do :) | 20:27 |
| redrobot | I think woodster_ is concerned that it may be too ambitious, and we'll have some half baked stuff | 20:27 |
| woodster_ | Well, there are a lot of '?' items in there...work not yet started | 20:27 |
| woodster_ | if that has to be code complete by Sept 25th, I think that will be difficult. | 20:28 |
| alee | woodster_, right - so it might be a good idea to assign/ prioritize | 20:28 |
| redrobot | Python client is not strictly tied to Juno release dates, although we do want to realease pretty soon after juno-final | 20:28 |
| redrobot | so I would consider Client work low priority | 20:29 |
| redrobot | (which explains the state the client was in before rm_work started working on it ;) | 20:29 |
| alee | redrobot, good to know - that will help | 20:29 |
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| rm_work | redrobot: T_T | 20:29 |
| rm_work | you're not *wrong*... :P | 20:30 |
| alee | woodster_, I'd like to see the items with ** first to unblock dogtag work .. | 20:30 |
| alee | woodster_, they'll also affect symantec and kmip | 20:30 |
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| woodster_ | I'd like to have the certificate related tasks done by then, at least demoable (ok, thinking of that barbican plugin talk in Paris. :) But 3-d and 5-b of the unstarted work is probably higher priority | 20:31 |
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| woodster_ | 4-d would be nice as well :) | 20:32 |
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| alee | woodster_, I'm ok with that -- 3-d, 5-b and 2-a | 20:33 |
| rellerreller | 5-b sounds ambitious. We do not even have a design for that yet. | 20:33 |
| alee | woodster_, 4-d is nice, but seems like an ongoing goal | 20:33 |
| alee | rellerreller, maybe - but I think that could be reduced for this release to simply taking out the checks we dont want. | 20:34 |
| woodster_ | rellerreller: 5-b should just be calling the supports() method during the API validators phase | 20:34 |
| woodster_ | alee: agreed | 20:34 |
| alee | woodster_, rellerreller - ie. the checks to make sure we're only generating AES .. | 20:34 |
| alee | the code already calls the supports() method | 20:35 |
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| atiwari | woodster_, calling supports() while API validation ? | 20:35 |
| rellerreller | woodster_ alee you mean just adding another supports_* method? | 20:35 |
| woodster_ | alee: not for validation though...just returns true/false. Needs to (eventually) raise exception saying what is invalid so we can report it back to the client | 20:35 |
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| woodster_ | that's the combined supports() method that we discussed in this eitherpad: | 20:36 |
| woodster_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-validation-options | 20:36 |
| rellerreller | Another supports method that simply returns a boolean sounds doable. | 20:36 |
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| woodster_ | The decision in that etherpad was to leave the single supports() method for now, rather than have a separate method for validation. | 20:37 |
| woodster_ | ...so that method would be called as part of the validation phase. | 20:38 |
| rellerreller | That sounds good to me. I think the type of validation we eventually want should be discussed more. | 20:38 |
| woodster_ | I agree with alee thought that this is ambitious for Juno | 20:38 |
| woodster_ | ...so maybe a Kilo design session? | 20:38 |
| alee | yup - add to etherpad :) | 20:38 |
| woodster_ | ...and for now just remove gating checks as alee suggests? | 20:39 |
| rellerreller | +1 | 20:39 |
| rellerreller | My +1 was for adding design summit talk on validation. I don't know about the gating suggestion. | 20:39 |
| woodster_ | alee: adding as we speak :) | 20:39 |
| woodster_ | rellerreller: so there is hardcoded logic that restricts the secrets (from orders) that can be generated | 20:40 |
| atiwari | rellerreller, +1 from me, I have to break the validators per controller | 20:40 |
| woodster_ | rellerreller: so we'd remove that logic. But if things bomb out, that will be on the asynch side, so the orders record will have the error info | 20:41 |
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| alee | woodster_, it shouldn't be too hard to iterate through the plugins and call supports() | 20:42 |
| woodster_ | alee: on the API side? | 20:42 |
| alee | yeah | 20:42 |
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| alee | might as tell the client ahead of time if no plugins will support their request .. | 20:43 |
| woodster_ | it does tweak the supports() contract a little...to raise exceptions if the plugin can handle the input data, *and* that data is invalid | 20:43 |
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| woodster_ | well, we could note plugin validation as a stretch Juno goal then? | 20:44 |
| redrobot | at this point I'd be more comfortable calling it a Kilo feature | 20:44 |
| redrobot | even if it's easy, it seems we have higher priority stuff to worry about | 20:45 |
| woodster_ | sounds good to me | 20:45 |
| atiwari | woodster_, what benefit we are getting with eager supports() call on plugin ? | 20:45 |
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| alee | atiwari, the client finds out ahead of time whether there are any plugins that support his request. | 20:46 |
| alee | instead of seeing an error later | 20:46 |
| alee | after the async process goes through | 20:46 |
| atiwari | alee, why not adding some kind of discovery mechanism ? | 20:47 |
| alee | ok - I think I'm coming around to the idea that this is a kilo feature | 20:47 |
| alee | lots of possible ideas | 20:47 |
| atiwari | +1 | 20:47 |
| alee | do we want to remove the gating checks? | 20:48 |
| alee | for juno? | 20:48 |
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| woodster_ | I'd say yes | 20:48 |
| alee | (the benefit is that if someone wants something other than an AES key - and they have dogtag or kmip behind it - they can get it | 20:49 |
| alee | +1 | 20:49 |
| woodster_ | I've added that as an option to the juno3-roadmap eitherpad | 20:49 |
| woodster_ | any dissenters though? | 20:49 |
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| alee | going once .. | 20:50 |
| redrobot | sold! | 20:50 |
| woodster_ | btw, I'm highlighting lines in that eitherpad in bold that are must haves for Juno final, italics that are would-be-nices | 20:50 |
| redrobot | we have about 10 min left in this room | 20:51 |
| alee | woodster_, can we have a name behind some of these? | 20:51 |
| rm_work | woodster_: BTW going back a bit, 1-d is part of the CR in 1-a | 20:51 |
| woodster_ | rm_work: oh sorry, updating.... | 20:52 |
| redrobot | rm_work I think client work all needs to happen, but we don't have the same deadlines as barbican proper | 20:52 |
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| redrobot | all of 1) is low priority for me | 20:52 |
| rm_work | redrobot: right, just saying it's not separate :P | 20:52 |
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| woodster_ | well, I do think having sync to the server features for the client by Juno final is important for folks wishing to integrate with Barbican | 20:52 |
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| woodster_ | ...so I think we are saying Oct 16 is our drop dead date, but should have stable release before that I'd expect? | 20:53 |
| redrobot | woodster_ I would hope that our stable release is RC1 | 20:54 |
| redrobot | we'll be in pretty bad shape if it's not | 20:54 |
| rm_work | redrobot: it's good to be optimistic :) | 20:54 |
| alee | woodster_, well lets try to get most of the server stuff in by RC1 | 20:55 |
| redrobot | rm_work Positivity is my #1 strength :-P | 20:55 |
| woodster_ | RC1 == Sept 25th? | 20:55 |
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| redrobot | 5 minutes left | 20:55 |
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| redrobot | so, to summarize, we want to focus on (**) items first | 20:55 |
| redrobot | then bold items | 20:55 |
| woodster_ | Sept 25th < 2 weeks away? Avg CR review time is ~ 2 weeks :P | 20:55 |
| redrobot | then the client | 20:55 |
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| alee | woodster_, most of these are smaller changes -- review time should be a lot shorter | 20:56 |
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| woodster_ | challenge accepted :) | 20:57 |
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| alee | woodster_, can we get names next to all the bold items at least? ie. the ones without a CR. | 20:58 |
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| alee | given that we dont have a lot of time - we dont want something to fall through the cracks | 20:58 |
| atiwari | redrobot, for RC1 do you have compiled list of items? | 20:59 |
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| redrobot | atiwari Not sure I understand your question. We're out of time here though. Let's jump over to #openstack-barbican | 21:00 |
| atiwari | ok | 21:00 |
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| redrobot | thanks everyone, we'll revisit the pending agenda items next week | 21:00 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 8 21:00:45 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-09-08-20.02.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-09-08-20.02.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-09-08-20.02.log.html | 21:00 |
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