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| davidlenwell | #startmeeting refstack | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 13 19:01:05 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is davidlenwell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:01 |
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| davidlenwell | roll? | 19:01 |
| catherine_d | hello davidlenwell | 19:01 |
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| davidlenwell | hello catherine_d | 19:01 |
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| davidlenwell | You will notice things are merging | 19:02 |
| pvaneck | o/ | 19:02 |
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| catherine_d | yes davidlenwell: Thanks a lot!!!! | 19:02 |
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| catherine_d | hope Rob will join today we need discussion on test list to get juliashapovalov1: going ... | 19:04 |
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| davidlenwell | we have pleanty to discuss without that | 19:05 |
| catherine_d | agree.. | 19:05 |
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| juliashapovalov1 | hi all | 19:05 |
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| davidlenwell | we have nitty gritty things to get into .. but we also need to start the process deciding how we want to display our data | 19:06 |
| zehicle | o/ | 19:06 |
| davidlenwell | juliashapovalov1: before we get to deep into things .. how much longer is on your contract to work on refstack? | 19:06 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle: ^ | 19:06 |
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| zehicle | they've got until the end of Nov. Everyone is welcome to encourage Dell to continue past that | 19:07 |
| davidlenwell | I'm sure we will .. | 19:07 |
| davidlenwell | but we'll not count on it | 19:07 |
| catherine_d | zehicle: that is great | 19:07 |
| davidlenwell | how much of your time do we get zehicle? | 19:07 |
| * zehicle officially thanks Dell for sponsoring work on Refstack | 19:07 | |
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| davidlenwell | +1 | 19:07 |
| zehicle | I'm about 20% on DefCore/Refstack. but that's mainly on DefCore | 19:08 |
| davidlenwell | okay | 19:08 |
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| davidlenwell | So we'll lead with that topic | 19:08 |
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| davidlenwell | #topic defcore update | 19:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "defcore update (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:08 | |
| davidlenwell | zehicle: whats going on over there? | 19:08 |
| zehicle | good news on the DefCore front, we've got a proposal that should work | 19:09 |
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| zehicle | basically, the Foundation has propose that we add a layer into the DefCore work called "programs" | 19:09 |
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| zehicle | we keep tests -> capabilities | 19:09 |
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| zehicle | we add tests -> capabilities -> programs -> platform | 19:09 |
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| zehicle | basically, it's going to be OK to have a subset of the core capabilities, in that case it would be a "program" trademark | 19:10 |
| zehicle | like object (swift) or compute (nova/glance/cinder) | 19:10 |
| davidlenwell | interesting | 19:10 |
| zehicle | the platform mark would include a superset and have a less restricted trademark | 19:10 |
| davidlenwell | okay... So from our perspective that doesn't change much .. it will be up to you how to structure those json files | 19:10 |
| davidlenwell | That maps said things | 19:11 |
| zehicle | It will likely not change them at all | 19:11 |
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| zehicle | we're have to add another hash set for programs | 19:11 |
| zehicle | but the "core=true" is still valid for the platform mark | 19:11 |
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| zehicle | and we believe that's the key for interop | 19:12 |
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| davidlenwell | we == defcore commitie? | 19:12 |
| zehicle | we = defcore + foundation | 19:12 |
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| davidlenwell | So its been voted on and stuff? | 19:12 |
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| zehicle | needs addittional socialization, but that was what I got so far | 19:12 |
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| zehicle | davidlenwell, not yet | 19:13 |
| zehicle | board meeting is on the 20th | 19:13 |
| zehicle | so I've got to get this setup for that. Foundation is carrying the ball on descriptions of the plan | 19:13 |
| zehicle | but I still have to craft up the proposal for board votes b/c the Foundation decription is too complex for a motion | 19:13 |
| zehicle | either way, tests + capabilities are still the core | 19:13 |
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| davidlenwell | okay .. thanks | 19:14 |
| davidlenwell | #topic paris | 19:14 |
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| zehicle | it just provides an escape hatch for vendors who don't want compute or swift to still use the marks | 19:14 |
| davidlenwell | who will be at the summit ? | 19:14 |
| zehicle | o/ | 19:14 |
| catherine_d | o/ | 19:14 |
| davidlenwell | oh awesome1 | 19:15 |
| davidlenwell | ! | 19:15 |
| fcarpenter | I will be in Paris | 19:15 |
| davidlenwell | catherine_d: I was worried you wouldn't be able to go because that talk didn't get picked up | 19:15 |
| davidlenwell | So qa is going to give us some time in their track to discuss uuid's on tests | 19:15 |
| catherine_d | yes they count me in this time ... :-) | 19:15 |
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| catherine_d | yes ... for this meeting or schedule a separated to go thru the test -> capability mapping and the reason why we need UUID | 19:16 |
| davidlenwell | I'll coordinate with them closer to the summit .. lets make sure we can all attend | 19:16 |
| zehicle | FWIW, I have an extra pass | 19:17 |
| davidlenwell | I want open discussion in a design session about that issue | 19:17 |
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| zehicle | I know that rockyg will be there too\ | 19:17 |
| davidlenwell | we can corner folks outside in the hallways or breakout areas to finalize things | 19:17 |
| catherine_d | davidlenwell: meanwhile I gave -1 to many of juliashapovalov1: 's reviews we need to discuss to get her going ... | 19:18 |
| davidlenwell | wow that is really good news .. I was worried refstack wouldn't have propper representation internationally | 19:18 |
| davidlenwell | catherine_d: let me take a look at it | 19:19 |
| davidlenwell | after the meeting | 19:19 |
| catherine_d | Let me give a quick summary ... | 19:19 |
| davidlenwell | #topic open reviews | 19:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open reviews (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:19 | |
| juliashapovalov1 | catherine_d: I've addressed your comments and sent an e-mail with description also | 19:20 |
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| catherine_d | I believe for Havana the tests had alreayd been selected by DefCoare in the spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Av62KoL8f9kAdEJTWnFWejJySnFXZmxWdnowTDhUSVE&usp=drive_web#gid=2 | 19:21 |
| zehicle | and I think juliashapovalov1 has done pulls that match that against the json file | 19:22 |
| catherine_d | personally, I do not agree with juliashapovalov1:'s response .. as such, we should discuss | 19:22 |
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| juliashapovalov1 | there is no more havana/stable here: https://github.com/openstack/tempest | 19:22 |
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| juliashapovalov1 | so the kist was adjusted to master | 19:22 |
| juliashapovalov1 | that's all | 19:22 |
| juliashapovalov1 | only names update | 19:23 |
| catherine_d | I did a quick comapre of Havana stable tempest and today's Here is what I see .... | 19:23 |
| catherine_d | in Havana there were 1444 tests (including JSON and XML) .... when comparing to today's master tempest ... 772 test match (FQN names) 144 tested had been deleted .... | 19:24 |
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| catherine_d | 528 tests had been either rename or deleted ... | 19:24 |
| catherine_d | the difficult part is the 528 tests ... How do we knwo which one for SURE is just the same test but being rename ... and which one are new tests .. | 19:25 |
| catherine_d | we do not have the resource to read the tempest code for the 528 tests ... | 19:26 |
| catherine_d | to categorize them into the correct group ... | 19:26 |
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| juliashapovalov1 | i spend a lot of time reviewing them manually | 19:27 |
| catherine_d | I know you did .... | 19:28 |
| rockyg | o/ | 19:28 |
| juliashapovalov1 | and updated list contains much less then 528 files renamed | 19:28 |
| catherine_d | and that is very difficult work ... | 19:28 |
| juliashapovalov1 | please check the comments | 19:28 |
| davidlenwell | can we take this discussion offline in channel after the meeting? | 19:29 |
| catherine_d | davidlenwell: I think so ... we need separate meeting ... | 19:29 |
| davidlenwell | agreed | 19:29 |
| davidlenwell | or a mailing list discussion might suffice | 19:29 |
| rockyg | fits? | 19:30 |
| davidlenwell | yep | 19:30 |
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| catherine_d | let's start with that .. | 19:30 |
| davidlenwell | catherine can you eamil the list clearly explaining your point of view and reference the review. | 19:30 |
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| catherine_d | yes I will ... zehicle: I just wnat to confirm ... Havana tests should start from the defcore test list https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Av62KoL8f9kAdEJTWnFWejJySnFXZmxWdnowTDhUSVE&usp=drive_web#gid=2 | 19:31 |
| catherine_d | is this correct? | 19:32 |
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| davidlenwell | also remember that we won't merge any file into the defcore files without approval from zehicle or another defcore member | 19:32 |
| zehicle | catherine_d, it's not required | 19:33 |
| zehicle | the capabilities groups are the key item for this pass | 19:33 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle: who is taking joshua's place on defcore? | 19:33 |
| zehicle | davidlenwell, don't know yet | 19:33 |
| zehicle | technically, I can run it solo | 19:33 |
| davidlenwell | So for now its you | 19:33 |
| zehicle | however, since I'm elected, it's good to have a second | 19:33 |
| davidlenwell | yeah | 19:33 |
| davidlenwell | I'll defer to you on that | 19:34 |
| catherine_d | ok then we have a principal differences ... | 19:34 |
| zehicle | I don't know who on the board has the time or the interest - it's political risk to take it on | 19:34 |
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| davidlenwell | okay so this brings me to another topic that I want to be open about | 19:35 |
| davidlenwell | our life after defcore | 19:35 |
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| rockyg | dum da da dum | 19:37 |
| davidlenwell | Do our sponsering parents care enough about interop without defcore to continue to allow us to work on it? | 19:37 |
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| davidlenwell | I can get away with working on it forever.. but I know not everyone shares that level of autonomy. | 19:37 |
| rockyg | Good question. Randy Bias had proposed and interop standard for OpenStack AWS. I think we could bring those tests in as a separate "interop" thing. | 19:38 |
| zehicle | ?? Defcore's an on going process. I was not expecting it to go away | 19:38 |
| zehicle | I do hope that we stream line it. but RefStack has a long list of use-cases that we are not even touching yet | 19:38 |
| rockyg | Yah. And I think with big tent, interop is going to be much more important | 19:39 |
| davidlenwell | thats really my point is that our primary focus should be interop and not defcore | 19:39 |
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| zehicle | rockyg, w/ the new programs addition into DefCore - we're likely to see more interest on project interop too | 19:39 |
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| zehicle | which aligns w/ big tent | 19:40 |
| davidlenwell | excelent | 19:40 |
| rockyg | Interop references. Sets of tests that define minimum interoperability standards for different kinds of cloud architectures. | 19:40 |
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| davidlenwell | I'm not sure I'd use the word minimum here | 19:40 |
| davidlenwell | or define | 19:41 |
| rockyg | :-) | 19:41 |
| davidlenwell | test and compare .. all clouds are reletive | 19:41 |
| catherine_d | rockyg: who define the set of tests for interops? could it be DefCore? | 19:41 |
| davidlenwell | none is the true standard | 19:41 |
| davidlenwell | our job is to show how they are differenent not to tell users which one is the right way | 19:41 |
| rockyg | I suspect that defcore with TC and board approval will start the whole thing with the marks, but there will likely end up a committee that sets up "references" | 19:42 |
| zehicle | davidlenwell, +1 I think that's the right vision for RefStack | 19:42 |
| davidlenwell | If im a company like netflix and I know that my hybrid cloud solution relies on this list of capabilities I need to be able to search and see what my options are | 19:42 |
| rockyg | +1 | 19:42 |
| zehicle | Defcore had to provide a filter, but that's a different layer | 19:43 |
| zehicle | it's only relevant to the extent that the tests are a reasonable proxy for interop | 19:43 |
| davidlenwell | I'm fine with defcore using our tools to enforce whatever it wants .. but refstack/interop's main goal is to give application developers and operators who want hybrid cloud solutions a map | 19:44 |
| zehicle | which is still to be determined IMHO. I'm hopeful, but I think that we need the community to decide that it's important to invest in tests that do that | 19:44 |
| zehicle | davidlenwell, +1 about getting data | 19:44 |
| * zehicle thinks that we need to make sure the test teams are on board since it's a different use case for their tests | 19:45 | |
| rockyg | davidlenwell: which is also why refstack just happens to provide aggregate data from the tests; to keep the board satisfied as the interop stuff takes on a life of its own | 19:45 |
| davidlenwell | I have a feeling that we'll be spending a good part of the summt discussing this | 19:45 |
| rockyg | Maybe we should reach out on either the fits or defcore list to get some agenda started? | 19:46 |
| zehicle | that would be great. I'm more worried there won't be attention to this since there are other fires | 19:46 |
| davidlenwell | okay .. So lets move on to open discussion. | 19:46 |
| davidlenwell | #topic open discussion | 19:46 |
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| zehicle | fits list is basically dead | 19:46 |
| davidlenwell | lets make a new list | 19:46 |
| davidlenwell | who can do that? | 19:46 |
| davidlenwell | interop should be a list | 19:47 |
| catherine_d | API to upload data | 19:47 |
| rockyg | that's a political thing. It was too hot during the initial work to post there. | 19:47 |
| zehicle | what do you want the list to do? | 19:47 |
| davidlenwell | replace fits | 19:47 |
| zehicle | what do you expect to be discussed there? | 19:47 |
| rockyg | let's make an openstack-interop list | 19:47 |
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| davidlenwell | fits requires too much explination and is attached to a politically hot issue | 19:48 |
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| davidlenwell | nobody aposed an interop tester | 19:48 |
| catherine_d | davidlenwell: they will when we define what is core for interop ... | 19:49 |
| davidlenwell | opposes | 19:49 |
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| davidlenwell | catherine_d: no core | 19:49 |
| rockyg | just test sets | 19:49 |
| rockyg | and tools | 19:49 |
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| davidlenwell | compatability mapping has nothing to do with core | 19:50 |
| davidlenwell | capability mapping I should say | 19:50 |
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| davidlenwell | knowing what public and private cloud solutions support what is something that takes a tone of research or operators to figure out | 19:50 |
| catherine_d | Let's discuss work items for coming week .. | 19:51 |
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| rockyg | So, really, other than specific test sets, we would likely want to provide a list of capabilities that map to sets of test to run for those capabilities | 19:51 |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: yes | 19:51 |
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| davidlenwell | ideally in the future those writing tests will some how add to the assosiation so that we are not playing guessing games with new tests | 19:52 |
| rockyg | And, then next level up of clumping capabilities. We have that, others run against and determine whether they are where they want to be. | 19:52 |
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| rockyg | davidlenwell: I think that's what all the moving and renaming of tests is about in QA/Tempest | 19:52 |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: yes | 19:53 |
| rockyg | When projects own functional tests, thenit will be even more clearly defined for capabilities | 19:53 |
| zehicle | davidlenwell, +1000 | 19:54 |
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| zehicle | I never wanted the board to be playing in the capabilities grouping business | 19:54 |
| zehicle | but we had to do it because it was too hard to score otherwise | 19:55 |
| davidlenwell | cool .. well we are about out of time and I know the next group starts on time | 19:55 |
| davidlenwell | So does anyone have any final thoughts? | 19:55 |
| catherine_d | Upload data API ... | 19:56 |
| davidlenwell | yes .. | 19:56 |
| davidlenwell | I've just fixed my review from last week with a working model | 19:56 |
| davidlenwell | I'll post the functions later today | 19:56 |
| catherine_d | and refstack.org site do we target them for Paris | 19:56 |
| catherine_d | do that we can show our work (at least demo ..) | 19:57 |
| davidlenwell | I have an hp cloud account we can host it on until we can migrate to infra | 19:57 |
| rockyg | Do we have refstack.org, or are we gonna end up with interop.openstack/org | 19:57 |
| davidlenwell | as soon as the api lands I will put it up | 19:57 |
| rockyg | interop.openstack.org? | 19:57 |
| davidlenwell | we still have refstack.org for now | 19:57 |
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| davidlenwell | we won't be changing domain names before paris | 19:57 |
| rockyg | kewl | 19:57 |
| catherine_d | great | 19:57 |
| davidlenwell | so catherine_d . go review that | 19:58 |
| davidlenwell | and watch for the next one | 19:58 |
| catherine_d | I will ... | 19:58 |
| davidlenwell | #endmeeting | 19:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 13 19:58:17 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-10-13-19.01.html | 19:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-10-13-19.01.txt | 19:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-10-13-19.01.log.html | 19:58 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 13 20:00:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
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| redrobot | Hi everyone, welcome to the Barbican weekly meeting | 20:01 |
| redrobot | as usual the agenda can be found here: | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #topic RollCall | 20:01 |
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| jvrbanac | o/ | 20:01 |
| atiwari | o/ | 20:01 |
| rellerreller | \o | 20:01 |
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| mattvryan | o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | not a whole lot of barbicaneers here today... | 20:02 |
| redrobot | this should be a pretty quick meeting | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | #topic Kilo Development is now Open | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | The release team has released RC1 | 20:03 |
| redrobot | which means that the master branch is now tracking Kilo development | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | I saw there's a few blueprints up for review for the Kilo cycle as well, so it seems Killo is underway | 20:04 |
| redrobot | any questions/comments about that? | 20:04 |
| redrobot | in case anyone is interested, this CR marks the beginning of Kilo | 20:05 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125678/ | 20:05 |
| redrobot | ... | 20:06 |
| redrobot | quiet group today | 20:06 |
| tsv | redrobot, i am working on pushing a spec for the quota implementation. will do that before tomorrow | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | tsv awesome, will try to take a look as soon as I can | 20:08 |
| redrobot | got a backlog of stuff to read already >_> | 20:08 |
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| atiwari | redrobot, I have also move two of my spec to K branch | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | yep, I've seen that there's quite a few specs up | 20:09 |
| redrobot | we'll definitely have plenty to talk about in Paris | 20:09 |
| redrobot | atiwari and tsv are you guys going to Paris? | 20:09 |
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| atiwari | I am coming | 20:10 |
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| redrobot | atiwari awesome... I think I asked you that already now that I think of it. | 20:10 |
| atiwari | :) | 20:10 |
| tsv | redrobot, am not. hopefully next time | 20:10 |
| redrobot | Ok, any other topics we want to discuss today? | 20:11 |
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| atiwari | redrobot, are we finalize the summit design sessions ? | 20:11 |
| redrobot | #topic Kilo Design Summit | 20:11 |
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| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-kilo-design-sessions | 20:11 |
| redrobot | Per the link above, I think the following will be official Design Sessions on the schedule: | 20:12 |
| redrobot | How to deal with multiple plugins over a system's lifetime? | 20:12 |
| redrobot | Common Certificate Issuance API | 20:12 |
| redrobot | Integration discussion with other OpenStack projects | 20:13 |
| redrobot | and we'll save the 4th desing session for Kite | 20:13 |
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| rellerreller | I'm really interested in "Integration discussion with other OpenStack projects" | 20:13 |
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| atiwari | rellerreller, +1 | 20:13 |
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| redrobot | not set in stone yet, but I'm pretty sure that'll end up being the sessions. | 20:13 |
| redrobot | rellerreller me too... I'll try to get that one in early in the day so we have plenty of energy :) | 20:14 |
| rellerreller | I saw the patch for Neutron. It does not follow the same pattern as Cinder and Nova. | 20:14 |
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| rellerreller | I think Swift will be same as Cinder and Nova. I think it is critical to get all of them integrating in the same way. | 20:14 |
| rellerreller | Are there any special procedures or anything for getting stuff into oslo? | 20:15 |
| atiwari | redrobot, for "Common Certificate Issuance API" do we have any spec rolling ? | 20:15 |
| atiwari | we have stared on "https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108429/" sometime back | 20:15 |
| redrobot | rellerreller I think stuff goes into incubator, and then we can iterate on it until it's polished and released as its own library. | 20:16 |
| atiwari | on/one | 20:16 |
| redrobot | atiwari I expect a blueprint to be the result of the Design Session | 20:16 |
| atiwari | ok | 20:16 |
| redrobot | atiwari the idea is to agree on a common set of data that can be used to provision Certificates acorss all plugins | 20:16 |
| atiwari | redrobot, make sense | 20:17 |
| rellerreller | redrobot ? I think there is common code for integrating Barbican. I think oslo would be a good place for it. | 20:17 |
| redrobot | rellerreller possibly... what do you have in mind? Is this the extra Key Manager façade on top of barbicanclient? | 20:17 |
| rellerreller | redrobot yes | 20:18 |
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| rellerreller | I like that, so that it provides a plugin capability for any type of key manager. For instance if a hardware vendor creates a key manager that can support authenticating Keystone tokens. | 20:19 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller it's an interesting pattern. I'm actually a bit puzzled by it. I thought we envisioned Barbican to be the abstraction on top of the various keystores | 20:19 |
| redrobot | so that integration would be done with barbicanclient directly. | 20:19 |
| atiwari | redrobot, any plans on " User-level access to resources, such as secrets/containers" we are getting lots of interests now? | 20:19 |
| redrobot | atiwari we'll definitely talk about it in Paris. It will be an ad-hoc discussion, since we don't have any more official design session slots. | 20:20 |
| rellerreller | redrobot It's for the use case where talking directly to hardware key store. | 20:20 |
| atiwari | redrobot, ok | 20:20 |
| redrobot | rellerreller it will be interesting to talk about in Paris for sure. I would argue that Barbican is similar to Keystone in that it should be THE openstack way of handling the problem domain | 20:21 |
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| redrobot | you wouldn't run your Service against a non-keystone auth layer directly | 20:22 |
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| rellerreller | redrobot With the key management I can see differences. Some organizations have requirements for how keys are managed and stored. Having a non-certified entity like Barbican manage the access control may not be good enough. | 20:24 |
| redrobot | hmm... I see your point rellerreller | 20:25 |
| rellerreller | I'm not sure yet. I feel like adding the Key Manager level on top does not add that much overhead and opens up more possibilities while supporting Barbican as the key management service. | 20:25 |
| redrobot | I think we can table the discussion for now? It's definitely something to keep in mind, but I don't think we have enough interested parties today to fully flesh that out. | 20:26 |
| rellerreller | redrobot for sure. But I think this would be great to discuss in Paris. | 20:27 |
| redrobot | rellerreller absoultely. I think it'll be one of the first points we touch on during the Integration Design Session | 20:28 |
| rellerreller | The difficult part with key management is that it cuts across most, if not all, of the services. | 20:28 |
| rellerreller | It's tough to get everyone on board. I don't know how we are going to do that. | 20:29 |
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| atiwari | redrobot, on KMIP implementation. what is the status? | 20:30 |
| redrobot | I think as long as we get a majority agreement, we'll be in good shape. | 20:31 |
| redrobot | atiwari KMIP is rellerreller's area | 20:31 |
| rellerreller | atiwari The KMIP secret store can generate and store symmetric keys | 20:31 |
| bubbva | we have some interest in KMIP area, too. | 20:31 |
| redrobot | I think we're close to getting pykmip into global requirements | 20:31 |
| rellerreller | We are looking to add asymmetric key support in Kilo | 20:32 |
| atiwari | rellerreller, when we will be ready to integrate a KMIP complaint HSM. Any road map ? | 20:33 |
| rellerreller | We are also continuing to work on PyKMIP | 20:33 |
| rellerreller | atiwari So we are integrating KMIP using the secret store interface. That is working, and we can do Cinder volume encryption with a hardware KMIP device. | 20:34 |
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| rellerreller | atiwari I think there is another CR for KMIP as a Barbican HSM plugin. It was under review, but I do not know the current status. | 20:34 |
| atiwari | rellerreller, thanks I will check on that one | 20:35 |
| atiwari | redrobot, one more question | 20:35 |
| rellerreller | atiwari https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116878/ -- this is the HSM plugin CR for KMIP | 20:35 |
| atiwari | rellerreller, thanks | 20:35 |
| atiwari | rellerreller, this is not KMIP | 20:36 |
| atiwari | this our proprietary impl | 20:37 |
| * redrobot has not had time to review the Atalla patch | 20:37 | |
| rellerreller | I thought Atalla ESKM was a KMIP device. Sorry, I was mistaken. | 20:38 |
| atiwari | I will start on then | 20:39 |
| atiwari | it is KMIP but this plugin is not | 20:39 |
| rellerreller | atiwari Just read this "ESKM 4.0 KMIP meets the highest standards for all KMIP versions and supports all your HP Storage KMIP enabled solutions." | 20:39 |
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| rellerreller | OK, thanks for clearing that up. I was wondering how they were talking to the device. | 20:40 |
| redrobot | ok, so ... do we have any more questions/comments for today? | 20:41 |
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| redrobot | bubbva and mattvryan do you have any questions we could answer now? | 20:42 |
| atiwari | redrobot, yes | 20:42 |
| redrobot | atiwari what's up? | 20:42 |
| bubbva | redrobot: not really, just curious where we could learn more about KMIP integration (for me and hachao) | 20:42 |
| atiwari | what is going on with FreeIPA | 20:42 |
| atiwari | redrobot, | 20:42 |
| bubbva | and any prep we need to do for Paris | 20:43 |
| atiwari | redrobot, any plans to integrate with FreeIPA | 20:43 |
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| redrobot | bubbva we've currently got 3 plugins for the backend: PCKS11, KMIP, and DogTag, all with various levels of completeness. | 20:44 |
| bubbva | great | 20:44 |
| mattvryan | redrobot one question - will webex be available for the design sessions? | 20:44 |
| redrobot | bubbva the KMIP plugin development is led by rellerreller, so you can probably bug him with specific questions ;) | 20:44 |
| bubbva | wil do! | 20:44 |
| rellerreller | bubbva I would be happy to discuss KMIP. | 20:45 |
| redrobot | mattvryan I'm not sure. That's a good question though. I'll ask the TC and have an answer for you next week. | 20:45 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to find out if the desing sessions will be broadast | 20:45 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to find out if the desing sessions will be broadcast | 20:45 |
| bubbva | rellerreller: thank you. Is there a good "starting point" for me to look to see what our plans are around KMIP? | 20:45 |
| mattvryan | redrobot ok - it looks like previous design sessions did but I couldn't find any info for this one. | 20:45 |
| bubbva | or is it best to just work with you directly, rellerreller | 20:45 |
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| rellerreller | bubbva That is a good question. Probably work directly for now. We have not posted much documentation online about KMIP and OpenStack. | 20:46 |
| * mattvryan admittedly didn't look very hard | 20:46 | |
| redrobot | yeah, documentation is going to be one of the areas we'll have to focus on for Kilo | 20:47 |
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| redrobot | atiwari no plans on our end for FreeIPA. I would not be opposed to a new plugin though. | 20:50 |
| redrobot | atiwari, actually, I'm not sure we'd need a new plugin... | 20:51 |
| * redrobot brushes up on FreeIPA real quick | 20:51 | |
| atiwari | redrobot, OK | 20:51 |
| redrobot | atiwari seems like FreeIPA is more of an Identity management tool than a key store? | 20:52 |
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| atiwari | it has dogtag | 20:52 |
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| redrobot | atiwari we talk directly to dogtag | 20:52 |
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| atiwari | redrobot, correct | 20:52 |
| redrobot | atiwari what kind of use cases are you envisioning with FreeIPA? | 20:53 |
| atiwari | for certificate provisioning | 20:53 |
| redrobot | we can provision certificates directly from DogTag | 20:53 |
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| rm_work | o/ | 20:53 |
| redrobot | rm_work what's up? | 20:54 |
| atiwari | I am taking about certmonger use case | 20:54 |
| atiwari | which deals with provisioning target | 20:54 |
| rm_work | just arrived, saying i'm here in case you had anything you wanted to discuss re: anything I was on | 20:54 |
| rm_work | nothing specific | 20:54 |
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| redrobot | rm_work in the nick of time... | 20:55 |
| * rm_work is technically on ETO today | 20:55 | |
| redrobot | atiwari I don't understand how FreeIPA fits into the big picutre... but I don't think we have time to discuss that today, since we only have 5 minutes left. | 20:55 |
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| atiwari | np | 20:55 |
| redrobot | atiwari maybe we can bring it up again next week | 20:55 |
| atiwari | lets take it later | 20:56 |
| redrobot | Ok, guys. Please fell free to add Agenda topics in advance of the meeting | 20:56 |
| rm_work | oh, <rellerreller> I saw the patch for Neutron. It does not follow the same pattern as Cinder and Nova. | 20:56 |
| redrobot | it definitely helps move the meeting along. | 20:56 |
| rm_work | which is also different that LBaaS | 20:56 |
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| rm_work | need to do some coordinating | 20:56 |
| rm_work | (sorry, trying to skim the backlog as fast as possible) | 20:57 |
| rm_work | *different than LBaaS | 20:57 |
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| rm_work | re: my comment here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127823/ | 20:57 |
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| rm_work | integrating other Openstack projects is great, but we need to coordinate them all | 20:58 |
| rm_work | or we're going to end up with a mess | 20:58 |
| rm_work | that was my only important comment for now, I think :) | 20:58 |
| mattvryan | what about inviting a rep from each of the other interested projects to get involved in Barbican? go the other way around | 20:59 |
| rm_work | that would be good | 20:59 |
| mattvryan | (too late to discuss :) ) | 20:59 |
| * rm_work is the rep from LBaaS | 20:59 | |
| mattvryan | that's how we do it in the IETF | 20:59 |
| rm_work | yeah, and I've been trying to be quite involved | 20:59 |
| rm_work | but i haven't actually met anyone from Cinder/Nova yet | 20:59 |
| redrobot | yep, I have it in my to-do list to reach out to all the PTLs to make sure they send someone to this design session | 20:59 |
| rm_work | anywho, meeting end I think | 20:59 |
| rm_work | erk | 20:59 |
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| rm_work | damnit | 20:59 |
| redrobot | yep, thanks for coming everyone | 21:00 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| * rm_work needs to just buy a ticket to paris | 21:00 | |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 13 21:00:06 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-10-13-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-10-13-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-10-13-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
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