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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 30 15:00:48 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| rushil1 | hi | 15:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:00 |
| ameade | o/ | 15:00 |
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| xyang1 | hi | 15:01 |
| cknight | hi | 15:01 |
| nileshb | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:01 |
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| * bswartz looks around for vponomaryov | 15:01 | |
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| bswartz | okay we may rearrange the agenda | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | there he is | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | sorry for late | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #topic dev status | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dev status (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:03 | |
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| vponomaryov | Dev status for last week: | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | 1) Functional tests for manilaclient | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | BP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-manilaclient/+spec/functional-tests | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/132011 | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | status: work in progress | 15:03 |
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| vponomaryov | 2) Enhancement of share manager | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | BP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/enhance-share-manager | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit: | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | #link https://review.openstack.org/129843 | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | #link https://review.openstack.org/129844 | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | status: ready for review | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | 3) Manila share-networks-list API filtering: | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | BP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/improve-share-network-list-filtering | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit, server: #link https://review.openstack.org/130147 | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit, cleint: #link https://review.openstack.org/129849 | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | status: ready for review | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | thats the main | 15:04 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: question about 129844 | 15:04 |
| bswartz | gerrit says it depends on an "outdated" change | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | yes, requires rebase | 15:05 |
| bswartz | ok | 15:05 |
| bswartz | also, 130147 is still failing tempest | 15:05 |
| bswartz | :-( | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | will that be fixed by the change we merged this morning? | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: you already has merged fix for it | 15:05 |
| bswartz | okay good | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | gate tests just should be rerun | 15:05 |
| bswartz | any questions on the above? | 15:05 |
| bswartz | I'll do the recheck | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | okay | 15:06 |
| bswartz | #topic design summit | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "design summit (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:06 | |
| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-manila-summit-topics | 15:06 |
| bswartz | I cleaned up and rearranged the etherpad for the design summit | 15:07 |
| bswartz | we have 3 agreed upon design summit topics | 15:07 |
| bswartz | and a bunch of stuff for the meetup, in a rough priority order | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | Please take a look at the meetup topics and post some comments if you think something needs to be moved up/down | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | I'm still unclear on exactly how much time we'll have when we get together in paris on Friday, but I want to work from this list for our discussions | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: little update about integration with tempest | 15:08 |
| bswartz | k | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: tempest is going to be split up, and functional tests are going to be in each project that owns it | 15:09 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: will it be overlapping with cinder meetup on Friday? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: that is similar to what we already have, right? | 15:09 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: as final result htat is expected - tempest has only "integration" tests | 15:09 |
| bswartz | xyang1: unknown | 15:09 |
| ameade | vponomaryov, bswartz : there is a session about tempest-lib at some point | 15:09 |
| vponomaryov | liek scenario tests, etc | 15:09 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: not similar | 15:10 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: now we use tempsest project | 15:10 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: will use "tempest-lib" library | 15:10 |
| bswartz | xyang1: there's nothing official at all on the schedule which means we might have freedom to do whatever we want | 15:10 |
| bswartz | xyang1: it could also mean they forgot us :-/ | 15:10 |
| vponomaryov | ameade: yes, I am aware of it | 15:10 |
| bswartz | xyang1: however we will try to avoid overlapping with cinder because I'm sure people will want to attend both | 15:11 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: sure | 15:11 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: it sounds to me like the changes to tempest will ultimately be good for us | 15:12 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: are there any issues you foresee? | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: учфседн | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: exactly | 15:12 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: it for point from https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-manila-summit-topics | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: we can remove it | 15:13 |
| bswartz | well it's just a sub-bullet | 15:13 |
| bswartz | we probably won't need much time on it, but I don't want to lose track of it in the notes | 15:13 |
| bswartz | we should write down the official plan for integration along with everything else | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | щл | 15:14 |
| vponomaryov | ok | 15:14 |
| bswartz | does anyone want to comment on the priorities? | 15:14 |
| bswartz | I didn't really have strong feelings when I put these in order | 15:14 |
| bswartz | mostly I went with what I thought needed to be discussed in person | 15:15 |
| bswartz | because I'm sure the discussions will continue after we go home | 15:15 |
| bswartz | ok | 15:16 |
| bswartz | #topic Kilo network changes | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Kilo_Network_Changes | 15:16 |
| bswartz | just wanted to give an update on what I've been working on | 15:17 |
| bswartz | this is a preview to the talk next week | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | I think I finally have a solid grasp of what we need to change to make | 15:18 |
| bswartz | so my proposals are in that wiki | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | I didn't delete the first draft, I just pushed it down | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | to give a brief summary, what I want to see is for manila to recognize different driver modes and to operate differently depending on which mode is selected | 15:19 |
| bswartz | all of this would be hidden from the tenants, it's intended to give administrators more fine grained control for how they setup their backends and networks | 15:20 |
| bswartz | and specifically to enable use cases which are currently impossible | 15:20 |
| bswartz | while at the same time not breaking anything | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | existing drivers will need updates, but the goal is to make life easier for future driver authors | 15:21 |
| bswartz | so you're all welcome to read the wiki and pre-load some questions or challenges before the talk at the design summit | 15:21 |
| jasonsb | do you see enterprise private cloud using network segmentation? | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | jasonsb: I see both use cases | 15:22 |
| jasonsb | (IE: hippa or PHI data, lets say) | 15:22 |
| bswartz | if an enterprise private cloud uses network segmentation, then they're really just acting a little more like a public cloud, as far as we're concerned | 15:23 |
| bswartz | as long as we cover both use cases well, then deployers are free to choose what works for them | 15:23 |
| jasonsb | yes, with caveat of single LDAP (perhaps) | 15:23 |
| bswartz | yeah I'm aware of that use case | 15:23 |
| bswartz | I think my proposal will allow for that | 15:24 |
| bswartz | VLAN-based segmentation with shared LDAP between tenants | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | I know it's a lot to read and even more to understand | 15:24 |
| jasonsb | quite interesting | 15:25 |
| bswartz | I spent a lot of time coming up with this | 15:25 |
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| jasonsb | i'm still working on getting an environment to start work on my manila driver | 15:26 |
| jasonsb | so for me this is very timely | 15:26 |
| bswartz | jasonb: one of the issues I'm trying to fix with these changes is make it easier to "get an environment" | 15:26 |
| jasonsb | im also hoping to have an environment to test and do reviews :) | 15:26 |
| bswartz | right now it's way too hard | 15:26 |
| bswartz | I want to enable people to create much simpler environment, and help them scale up | 15:27 |
| bswartz | rather than forcing them to start with the most complex | 15:27 |
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| jasonsb | i like the image you give in devstack | 15:27 |
| jasonsb | but certainly you are correct | 15:28 |
| jasonsb | im sure it would be well received | 15:28 |
| bswartz | okay that's all from me | 15:28 |
| bswartz | I'll be working on the design for my other presentation topic between now and Tuesday | 15:28 |
| jasonsb | when are you presenting on this topic? | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | glad you asked! | 15:29 |
| bswartz | #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/ | 15:29 |
| bswartz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Kilo/Etherpads#Manila | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | anything else? | 15:30 |
| bswartz | next week's meeting is canceled (obviously) | 15:31 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: team meetup | 15:31 |
| vponomaryov | where can we find info about it? | 15:31 |
| bswartz | if you look at sched.org, on Friday | 15:31 |
| bswartz | those are all the meetups | 15:31 |
| bswartz | I'm hoping to get manila into that list | 15:31 |
| bswartz | but we'll find out about what kind of space/time is available when we're in paris | 15:32 |
| xyang1 | I don't see meetup time for any incubated project on the schedule | 15:32 |
| vponomaryov | so do I | 15:32 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: if not available - no meet up? | 15:32 |
| bswartz | I've been told we will have space at our development team pod | 15:33 |
| bswartz | we just need to designate a time to all be there | 15:33 |
| bswartz | I'll be there when I'm not doing anything else | 15:33 |
| bswartz | just to hang out | 15:33 |
| bswartz | in case anyone wants to grab me | 15:33 |
| bswartz | okay so just in case, let's PLAN on meeting up during the afternoon half of Friday at the manila team pod | 15:33 |
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| bswartz | so we can avoid conflicting with cinder | 15:34 |
| bswartz | if I learn anything official or if we have to change the plan I'll use the ML | 15:34 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: +1 | 15:34 |
| vponomaryov | thanks | 15:34 |
| bswartz | thanks everyone | 15:34 |
| xyang1 | who will be at the summit? | 15:35 |
| jasonsb | me | 15:35 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 15:35 |
| ameade | me | 15:35 |
| vponomaryov | me | 15:35 |
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| xyang1 | me too | 15:35 |
| bswartz | I know a bunch of others who will be there -- they probably fell asleep at their keyboards | 15:35 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: :) | 15:35 |
| vponomaryov | =) | 15:36 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 30 15:36:03 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-10-30-15.00.html | 15:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-10-30-15.00.txt | 15:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-10-30-15.00.log.html | 15:36 |
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| kozhukalov | hi everyone | 16:00 |
| kozhukalov | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 30 16:01:00 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kozhukalov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:01 | |
| mihgen | hi | 16:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov | #chair kozhukalov | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: kozhukalov | 16:01 |
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| kozhukalov | who is here? | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov | hi mihgen | 16:01 |
| rvyalov | hi | 16:01 |
| xarses | o/ | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov | agenda as usual | 16:01 |
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| kozhukalov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov | let's start | 16:01 |
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| kozhukalov | #topic Announcements (mihgen) | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (mihgen) (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:02 | |
| mihgen | hi all, a few things to share | 16:02 |
| sanek11 | hi | 16:02 |
| mihgen | first of all, we seem to be in a pretty good shape (better than last releases) shape for feature freeze | 16:02 |
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| stamak | hi | 16:02 |
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| mihgen | majority of features are in, and in green state | 16:03 |
| mihgen | though we had to call to stop merging some of them due to technical preview | 16:03 |
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| mihgen | which we were able to prepare today. | 16:03 |
| mihgen | community ISO has to be built today I believe, I'd love anyone from devops to confirm it here | 16:04 |
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| mihgen | due to we stopped merging the stuff, it sounded reasonable to extend FF deadline | 16:04 |
| mihgen | I don't like it so much but there is no other way.. I hope it won't impact very much release schedule | 16:04 |
| kozhukalov | bookwar: around? | 16:05 |
| bookwar | yep | 16:05 |
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| kozhukalov | bookwar: will you confirm about community iso? | 16:05 |
| mihgen | so it's Monday now, 3 Nov is the Feature Freeze (FF) date | 16:05 |
| mihgen | bookwar: pls trigger new build | 16:05 |
| bookwar | community builds work as usuall, 3 a.m. MSK | 16:05 |
| bookwar | mihgen: ok | 16:05 |
| mihgen | we actually need nede to come up with building community releases and giving them as links to download on our public wiki | 16:05 |
| mihgen | as now it's only tags in branches | 16:06 |
| mihgen | so we force folks to build ISOs themselves, which can be complcated sometimes | 16:06 |
| mihgen | Ok, next thing | 16:06 |
| mihgen | next week is gonna be OpenStack summit and many folks are gone for it | 16:07 |
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| mihgen | So I think we have to cancel the meeting next week | 16:07 |
| mihgen | any objections? | 16:07 |
| xarses | no | 16:07 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: no objections | 16:07 |
| kozhukalov | are we planning to share kind of summit diary? | 16:07 |
| mihgen | ok good | 16:07 |
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| kozhukalov | about what interesting is going on there and there | 16:08 |
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| kozhukalov | ok, mihgen, are you done wich announcements? | 16:08 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: I think we should go through sessions intersecting with Fuel in any way | 16:08 |
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| mihgen | and put it to the one place | 16:09 |
| mihgen | I think I'm done, yeah, thanks | 16:09 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: sounds reasonable | 16:09 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: thanx | 16:09 |
| kozhukalov | any questions? | 16:09 |
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| kozhukalov | moving on then | 16:10 |
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| kozhukalov | #topic Fuel-stats status report (akislitsky) | 16:10 |
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| akislitsky | Hi, all! We have statistics collecting included into the ISO. Sending, migration, analytics reports of statistics are tested. We have collector on https://collector.mirantis.com and analytics on https://product-stats.mirantis.com/. Access to collector is closed from our network after the tests. Access to the analytics web UI is allowed only from our network. Now we have issue with periodical migration data from collecto | 16:10 |
| akislitsky | r to the analytics, but it should be fixed by devops team in short time. In other cases our stats collecting feature is launched for the commercial ISO (with feature_group: -mirantis). | 16:10 |
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| mihgen | akislitsky: thx | 16:11 |
| mihgen | that's for mirantis | 16:11 |
| mihgen | what's the status for community? | 16:11 |
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| akislitsky | code for sending community ISO statistics is in the ISO, but we need community VMs to be configured like VMs for commercial version | 16:12 |
| mihgen | so it's question to devops now, right? | 16:13 |
| akislitsky | yes | 16:13 |
| mihgen | I talked to monester, and I believe we gonna have it in about a week or two | 16:13 |
| mihgen | it's gonna be great to see who uses what configurations | 16:13 |
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| kozhukalov | akislitsky: thanx | 16:14 |
| akislitsky | sounds good | 16:14 |
| kozhukalov | akislitsky: are you done? | 16:14 |
| akislitsky | yes | 16:14 |
| kozhukalov | moving on | 16:14 |
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| kozhukalov | #topic authx (prmtl) | 16:14 |
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| prmtl | hi all | 16:15 |
| prmtl | authx improvements had been successfully merged, everything went smooth, now they will be backported to 5.1 | 16:15 |
| kozhukalov | prmtl: hi | 16:15 |
| prmtl | that's all | 16:15 |
| kozhukalov | sounds great | 16:15 |
| kozhukalov | any q? | 16:15 |
| kozhukalov | #topic Image based provisioning (agordeev) | 16:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Image based provisioning (agordeev) (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:16 | |
| kozhukalov | agordeev: around? | 16:16 |
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| kozhukalov | agordeev: can you share the status? | 16:16 |
| agordeev | hi | 16:16 |
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| agordeev | Good news: I haven't heard negative feedback about centos from QA folks. Safely assumed that it works pretty good. | 16:17 |
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| agordeev | Ubuntu is now in "works for me" state. So It requires additional testing with the help of QA | 16:17 |
| agordeev | that's all from me | 16:17 |
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| kozhukalov | great | 16:17 |
| angdraug | was it tested with ceph? | 16:18 |
| kozhukalov | we still have a couple patches to be merged | 16:18 |
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| kozhukalov | and the q is are we planning to include this feature by default? | 16:18 |
| agordeev | angdraug: i'll will ask QA | 16:18 |
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| angdraug | ceph is the trickiest part of our provisioning | 16:18 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: can you answer? | 16:18 |
| angdraug | so I think it should be covered | 16:18 |
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| asledzinskiy | angdraug: hi, we have case with ceph | 16:19 |
| kozhukalov | asledzinskiy: does it work? | 16:19 |
| asledzinskiy | and it worked on CentOS | 16:19 |
| angdraug | excellent, thanks! | 16:19 |
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| angdraug | moving on? | 16:20 |
| kozhukalov | right now we have something like "if experimental then enable image based provisioning" | 16:20 |
| kozhukalov | is it correct? | 16:20 |
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| kozhukalov | or maybe we need to remove those if conditions | 16:20 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: around? | 16:20 |
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| kozhukalov | ok, let's discuss this a little bit later | 16:21 |
| kozhukalov | moving on | 16:21 |
| kozhukalov | #topic Diff upgrade (kozhukalov, skulanov) | 16:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Diff upgrade (kozhukalov, skulanov) (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:21 | |
| kozhukalov | here there are 3 patches on review | 16:21 |
| kozhukalov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124734 | 16:21 |
| kozhukalov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131071 | 16:22 |
| kozhukalov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131153 | 16:22 |
| kozhukalov | please if anyone can help with review feel free to leave your +1 | 16:22 |
| kozhukalov | or maybe -1 | 16:22 |
| kozhukalov | we still need to create build jobs for these feature | 16:23 |
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| kozhukalov | I believe devops team is working on that | 16:23 |
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| kozhukalov | and we need QA cooperations | 16:24 |
| kozhukalov | ok, that is it | 16:24 |
| kozhukalov | any q? | 16:24 |
| kozhukalov | moving on | 16:24 |
| kozhukalov | #topic Ceph upgrade (angdraug) | 16:25 |
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| angdraug | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/mos/+bug/1360352 | 16:25 |
| angdraug | we still have Ceph v0.80.4 in 5.1.1 and 6.0 repos | 16:25 |
| angdraug | this version is buggy and absolutely has to be upgraded | 16:25 |
| angdraug | v0.80.7 is already built by mos-linux, we must pull it to our repos now | 16:25 |
| angdraug | we also need v0.67.11 for 5.0.x | 16:25 |
| angdraug | also we are affected by bugs in v0.80.7 that were fixed in upstream git | 16:25 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1360352 in mos/5.1.x "Upgrade Ceph to latest Firefly version" [High,Triaged] | 16:25 |
| angdraug | we have to be ready to pull yet another Ceph update from mos-linux as soon as its ready | 16:25 |
| angdraug | so that we have enough time to test it before HCF | 16:25 |
| angdraug | waiting a whole week like we are doing with v0.80.7 is unacceptable | 16:25 |
| angdraug | rvyalov: ^ | 16:25 |
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| kozhukalov | rvyalov: around? | 16:26 |
| kozhukalov | rvyalov: could you please get a comment on that? | 16:27 |
| angdraug | mihgen: please help us get ^^^ sorted offline | 16:27 |
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| kozhukalov | ok, looks like rvyalov and mihgen are unavailable now | 16:28 |
| angdraug | yeah, I hope they read the logs | 16:28 |
| angdraug | open discussion? | 16:29 |
| kozhukalov | we have nothing more to discuss in our agenda | 16:29 |
| kozhukalov | yep | 16:29 |
| kozhukalov | #topic Open discussion | 16:29 |
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| angdraug | looks like everyone's too busy preparing for paris :) | 16:30 |
| Tatyanka_Leontov | :) | 16:30 |
| xarses | python 2.7 migration? Kilo is dropping py26 support. We need think about how we want to deal with moving from our old py26 | 16:31 |
| kozhukalov | xarses: great note | 16:31 |
| bookwar | shouldn't it be the part of Ubuntu 14.04/CentOS 7/..etc migration? | 16:31 |
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| kozhukalov | that is one of the questions we need to redirect to mos team | 16:32 |
| rvyalov | kozhukalov: I dont know, should ask the mos-linux team | 16:32 |
| xarses | upgrading to 2.7 in centos 6.5 looks very painful. Moving to a newer master-node os will help | 16:32 |
| angdraug | it should, depends on when we can have that | 16:32 |
| angdraug | if we upgrade to centos7, might as well move master node to ubuntu | 16:33 |
| xarses | bookwar: its part of it | 16:33 |
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| xarses | but we need to not leave the masternode behind since its running ironic and keystone now | 16:33 |
| bookwar | we can run certain py27 tests on CI | 16:33 |
| xarses | and pumphouse is already not supporting py26 so we have to do other things for it | 16:33 |
| kozhukalov | xarses: master node does not run ironic | 16:34 |
| kozhukalov | xarses: only keystone | 16:34 |
| xarses | kozhukalov: ahh, I thought we had ironic for image provisioning | 16:34 |
| angdraug | still, we will have to have py27 on master in 7.0 | 16:34 |
| angdraug | preferrably sooner | 16:34 |
| xarses | angdraug: yes, sooner would be good | 16:35 |
| kozhukalov | xarses: we just re-invented a wheel ) | 16:35 |
| angdraug | having both major openstack upgrade and major linux upgrade in the same release is going to be a nightmare | 16:35 |
| xarses | yes but now it has legs | 16:35 |
| kozhukalov | ok, this topic about migrating to py27 is pretty for ML not for a meeting | 16:36 |
| xarses | I just wanted to start you thinking about it | 16:36 |
| kozhukalov | xarses: could you please start a thread in ML | 16:36 |
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| xarses | ok | 16:37 |
| kozhukalov | ? | 16:37 |
| kozhukalov | xarses: thanx | 16:37 |
| kozhukalov | any other q, suggestions? | 16:37 |
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| kozhukalov | looks like we are done | 16:38 |
| kozhukalov | let's close | 16:38 |
| kozhukalov | thanx everyone | 16:38 |
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| kozhukalov | #endmeeting | 16:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 30 16:38:46 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-10-30-16.01.html | 16:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-10-30-16.01.txt | 16:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-10-30-16.01.log.html | 16:38 |
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| tmcpeak2 | HOLA | 17:02 |
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| nkinder | security? | 17:03 |
| nkinder | tmcpeak2: hey | 17:03 |
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| tmcpeak2 | me gusta security | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak2 | nkinder: yo | 17:03 |
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| tmcpeak2 | I pinged Rob but he might be on another meeting or something, want to chair nkinder? | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting openstack security group | 17:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 30 17:04:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:04 |
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| hyakuhei | Stupid DST | 17:04 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | or lack thereof | 17:04 |
| bknudson | hi | 17:04 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: was wondering about the time change... :) | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | roll call :) | 17:04 |
| bdpayne | o/ | 17:04 |
| nkinder | o/ | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak2 | hi! | 17:04 |
| elmiko | o/ | 17:04 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok, I expect this to be a short meeting, lets get started. Agenda ? | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | Summit | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | OSSN update | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | what else ? | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak2 | tkelsey might have a Bandit update | 17:06 |
| elmiko | i have a small question or two about preparing for audit | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak2 | except he isn't here | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak2 | so maybe I'll update on what he is working on | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | heh. dg__ and tkelsey joining | 17:07 |
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| tkelsey | hey all, sorry i'm late | 17:08 |
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| nkinder | hey tkelsey | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, so summit, we are going to grab some space on Tuesday and basically unconference it. Relying heavily on etherpads for just about everything. | 17:08 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: any idea on what time? | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | I'll see what we can do lunch wise after I've scoped out the local food at the conference location | 17:08 |
| bdpayne | should we put a little more structure into our etherpad? | 17:08 |
| bdpayne | perhaps have some time slots people can sign up for? | 17:08 |
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| hyakuhei | Seems like an idea. I was thinking there might be some value in having short sessions | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | Also I like the idea of just having discussion topics and we'll manage time so it fits between other things | 17:09 |
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| hyakuhei | Physical location etc we won't know until we get there. | 17:10 |
| nkinder | I think I'm leading a cross-project design session on Tuesday afternoon, so that's why I'd like to know what time slots we plan on for OSSG stuff | 17:10 |
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| elmiko | hyakuhei: are there official events in the sched for OSSG sessions? | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | It's all pretty loose atm | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | We are sharing the VMT design session | 17:10 |
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| nkinder | elmiko: no, nothing official other than the VMT session | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | not for lack of trying | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | Ok. So nkinder or someone else, I need someone to do some of the heavy lifting around our informal track | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | as I'm massively over-committed already this week | 17:11 |
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| bdpayne | so perhaps we can use the etherpad to highlight when security sessions are happening | 17:11 |
| elmiko | i'm not sure i have anything specific to contribute, but i am curious to learn more about OSSG process | 17:11 |
| bdpayne | like the security track in the conference | 17:11 |
| bdpayne | and the vmt track | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | informal and etherpad based is fine | 17:11 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: same here. I'm flying first thing tomorrow morning | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah figures. | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | TBH I'm happy with unconferencing in the morning and see how we go | 17:12 |
| bdpayne | I think many of us will be split in many directions... so having some specific times for the OSSG meetup sessions would be useful | 17:12 |
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| hyakuhei | The important thing is we get conversations going | 17:12 |
| bdpayne | Tuesday morning? | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | bdpayne: No objection to that, tuesday morning makes good sense | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | I think :) | 17:12 |
| bdpayne | I was just wondering which morning you were talking about above | 17:12 |
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| nkinder | bdpayne: what time? I have a 10am obligation on Tuesday | 17:12 |
| nkinder | tuesday right after lunch is good for me (until about 3 when some of the barbican sessions start) | 17:13 |
| nkinder | others from OSSG might be involved in those too | 17:13 |
| nkinder | ...the joys of scheduling | 17:13 |
| bdpayne | so... let's pencil in some stuff on the etherpad Re time contraints / other stuff of interest to the group | 17:13 |
| bdpayne | and then we can find a time that works | 17:13 |
| bdpayne | we'll just need to keep checking the etherpad for the latest info | 17:14 |
| nkinder | anyone have a link handy to the etherpad? | 17:14 |
| bdpayne | I can drop some suggestions in there later today | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | So We were looking at lunch on Tuesday, having space to follow on into might make sense | 17:14 |
| bdpayne | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ossg-kilo-summit | 17:14 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: thanks | 17:14 |
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| hyakuhei | ok shall we move on? | 17:16 |
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| bdpayne | sure | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | #topic OSSN | 17:17 |
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| hyakuhei | So the one DG had has been reassigned to sweston | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | Who wrote the patch :) | 17:17 |
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| tmcpeak2 | ahh sweet | 17:18 |
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| nkinder | Yeah, thanks sweston | 17:18 |
| tkelsey | anyone know why the gate exploded on this OSSN? #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128636/ | 17:18 |
| nkinder | I take it dg doesn't mind... | 17:18 |
| nkinder | tkelsey: checking | 17:18 |
| tkelsey | nkinder: thanks | 17:18 |
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| hyakuhei | nkinder: yeah dg is cool | 17:19 |
| nkinder | tkelsey: looks like a sporadic failure pulling the change down from git | 17:19 |
| tkelsey | yeah ok, I'll do a recheck | 17:20 |
| tkelsey | thanks nkinder | 17:20 |
| nkinder | tkelsey: I just kicked it with a recheck | 17:20 |
| nkinder | tkelsey: ...and I'll re-review it. | 17:21 |
| nkinder | tkelsey: you're still looking into the VMware driver part of it? | 17:21 |
| tkelsey | awesome, thanks. yup | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | Sweet. Anything else? | 17:21 |
| nkinder | ok, cool. It looked pretty good, but that was the one confusing area. | 17:21 |
| nkinder | OSSNs are quiet otherwise. Still a few in the queue that can be picked up. | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | Coolio. Don't imagine that'll change over the next 10 days or so :P | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | ok. cool. other business? | 17:22 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic Any Other Business | 17:23 |
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| tkelsey | bandit? | 17:23 |
| tkelsey | we have working gate tests on bandit now :) | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | wootles. Can you say more about it? | 17:24 |
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| bdpayne | which projects at using bandit for the gate? | 17:24 |
| bdpayne | s/at/are/ | 17:24 |
| nkinder | none AFAIK | 17:24 |
| tkelsey | these are tests for bandit itself, not using bandit | 17:24 |
| tkelsey | the gate runs PEP8 tests and some 35 functional tests | 17:24 |
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| nkinder | tkelsey: cool | 17:25 |
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| bdpayne | ah, I misread | 17:25 |
| bdpayne | still nice progress though | 17:25 |
| tkelsey | bdpayne: yeah its confusing when talking about bandit :) | 17:25 |
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| tkelsey | I'll be adding more stuff as time goes by, but its nice to have working CI now :) | 17:26 |
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| tmcpeak2 | tkelsey: has been making some steady progress towards getting Bandit legit | 17:26 |
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| tkelsey | well we need to get it into the global requirements list eventually, so other projects can pick it up for running as a gate test | 17:27 |
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| tkelsey | so thats all I have on the subject, anyone interested should check out the code :) tmcpeak2 anything to add? | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak2 | nope | 17:28 |
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| hyakuhei | cool | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | Anyone else ? | 17:29 |
| bdpayne | one more thing | 17:29 |
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| bdpayne | I'm filling in some schedule details for next week | 17:30 |
| bdpayne | looks like Wed afternoon may be a good time for some additional OSSG unconference stuff | 17:30 |
| bdpayne | since we'll have limited time before the barbican sessions on Tuesday | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | Good point that'd be nice | 17:30 |
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| bdpayne | so I'd encourage people to pencil that in now | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | I'm going to be doing lots of Barbican stuff this week | 17:30 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: there are some keystone/horizon sessions starting at 3:30pm on wednesday that I want to be involved in, but before that is good for me | 17:31 |
| nkinder | Trying to figure out how to support stronger auth methods in the dashboard | 17:31 |
| bdpayne | yeah | 17:31 |
| bdpayne | there will be conflict all week, I'm afraid | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah | 17:31 |
| bdpayne | nkinder 2fa? | 17:32 |
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| nkinder | bdpayne: well, making it generally extensible (SAML, kerberos, etc.) | 17:32 |
| bdpayne | ahh, ok | 17:32 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: 2fa can be pretty easily done as is actually (for HOTP, etc.) | 17:32 |
| bdpayne | in some ways, yeah | 17:33 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: ...depending what you plug in behind Keystone for LDAP. Some solutions like FreeIPA have native OTP now. | 17:33 |
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| bdpayne | u2f support might need some work | 17:33 |
| bdpayne | I don't think the current 2fa stuff is very plugable | 17:33 |
| bdpayne | and then there's getting the UX right | 17:34 |
| bdpayne | alas... perhaps we are off topic now | 17:34 |
| bdpayne | ;-) | 17:34 |
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| hyakuhei | lol. | 17:34 |
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| hyakuhei | I'm really looking forward to the summit this year, going to be great to see everyone and hopefully a few new faces too | 17:35 |
| bdpayne | indeed! | 17:35 |
| elmiko | =D | 17:35 |
| nkinder | +1. Getting excited now | 17:35 |
| tkelsey | +1 | 17:35 |
| tkelsey | my first summit heh | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | cool. | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | Ok I suppose we should all get back to packing/panicing etc :) | 17:36 |
| tkelsey | lol | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | See you guys next week! | 17:36 |
| elmiko | i've got a couple small q's | 17:36 |
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| hyakuhei | go ahead elmiko | 17:36 |
| nkinder | elmiko: yeah, you wanted to ask about auditing? | 17:36 |
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| elmiko | yea, i looked over the juno template for audit. when the kilo is ready, should we staart filling out as many details as possible for sahara? | 17:37 |
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| nkinder | elmiko: you can start filling it out anytime | 17:37 |
| elmiko | cool | 17:37 |
| nkinder | elmiko: it's sort of a living document | 17:37 |
| bdpayne | audit... are we talking about a crypto audit or ?? | 17:37 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: the security info pages I started last cycle | 17:38 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: so crypto, sensitive data handling, etc. | 17:38 |
| nkinder | sort of a catch all | 17:38 |
| bdpayne | gotcha | 17:38 |
| elmiko | as for high-level threat analysis, is there a starting point i could get familiar with? | 17:38 |
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| nkinder | elmiko: there are some docs that go over that process that shohel created | 17:39 |
| elmiko | ok, cool. | 17:39 |
| nkinder | elmiko: I think this is the latest that he is trying to get merged - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121034/ | 17:39 |
| elmiko | awesome | 17:40 |
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| elmiko | finally, i posted to the ML looking for some feedback on our session topics. didn't get any bites, but i have the summit version up and i'm still hungry for any feedback people have. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-summit-sahara-integration-security | 17:41 |
| elmiko | i realize there's some sahara specific plugin stuff on there, but i'm still learning where our vulnerability points are with respect to openstack. so really, any advice will be useful. | 17:42 |
| bdpayne | this looks nice at a quick glance | 17:42 |
| bdpayne | perhaps SSL usage should be TLS usage in this post-POODLE world ;-) | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | :) | 17:43 |
| elmiko | bdpayne: thanks, good point! | 17:43 |
| bknudson | we can finally get stop using SSL/TLS everywhere. | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | lol | 17:43 |
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| elmiko | although i just added SSL/TLS to the doc... /facepalm | 17:43 |
| nkinder | that's going to be a tough acronym to kill :) | 17:44 |
| elmiko | yea | 17:44 |
| bdpayne | indeed | 17:44 |
| elmiko | thanks again for the help folks, i look forward to meeting up at summit =) | 17:44 |
| bdpayne | Rendez-vous à Paris! | 17:45 |
| elmiko | oui oui! | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | TY all! | 17:45 |
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| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:45 |
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| nkinder | thanks! | 17:45 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 30 17:45:26 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-10-30-17.04.html | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak2 | later everybod | 17:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-10-30-17.04.txt | 17:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-10-30-17.04.log.html | 17:45 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 30 18:00:52 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ping sahara folks | 18:00 |
| elmiko | o/ | 18:01 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, crobertsrh has lost power, and mattf is out | 18:01 |
| aignatov | o/ | 18:01 |
| jodah | o/ | 18:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, ack | 18:01 |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 18:01 |
| sreshetnyak | o/ | 18:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic sahara@horizon status (croberts, NikitaKonovalov) | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | NikitaKonovalov you're the only presenter for this topic | 18:03 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | okay, let's move on | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #undo | 18:05 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:05 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I've been mostly working on preparing to summit | 18:05 |
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| elmiko | i'm making good progress on bug#1306505, i've also been talking with the OSSG folks and the API working group. i've got some ideas about security and api to talk about at summit. | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #1306505 | 18:06 |
| elmiko | oh, also trying to work up a spec for api v2 | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, that's great | 18:06 |
| jodah | elmiko i'd love to have a look at the spec when it's ready | 18:06 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: i think there is some interesting activity happening surrounding api standardization | 18:07 |
| tmckay | interesting question on openstack-dev about dockerizing Sahara. We should discuss at summit whether to make dockerized Sahara a feature for kilo | 18:07 |
| elmiko | jodah: definitely | 18:07 |
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| tmckay | not sure what the issues may be | 18:07 |
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| sreshetnyak | I'm working on various bug fixes | 18:07 |
| NikitaKonovalov | SergeyLukjanov, my Internet connection is dropping frequently, status for Sahara UI is good, there are few minor comments | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, dockerized sahara itself or dockerized hadoop cluster? | 18:07 |
| jodah | SergeyLukjanov tmckay both ideally :) | 18:08 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, unclear from the email, I asked for clarification | 18:08 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I'm also trying to keep backports up-to-date for stable/juno | 18:08 |
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| tmckay | jodah, ++, might be two different features | 18:08 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov, tmckay, i think the email was talking about hadoop nodes being containerized | 18:08 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, tmckay, okay, so, anyway both of the dockerizations are interesting | 18:09 |
| tmckay | I think so too, the specific question was about changing hostsnames | 18:09 |
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| tmckay | so I think it was nodes | 18:09 |
| jodah | dockerizing sahara is perhaps more about dockerizing openstack/devstack entirely | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, yeah, sounds like that (just saw an email) | 18:09 |
| elmiko | i think we have 2 paths for containers; 1. sahara controller container, should definitely watch the kolla project, 2. node containers, should definitely watch nova-docker | 18:09 |
| tmckay | so the issue in question is, how do we get around docker hostname change restrictions in launched nodes | 18:10 |
| elmiko | i listened in on the kolla meeting earlier this week, and they are preparing to add a sahara container | 18:10 |
| tmckay | could just be a single issue, but I am guessing there might be other docker issues once we get into it | 18:10 |
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| tmckay | I'd like to learn more about docker anyway :) EDP is so yesterday :) | 18:10 |
| elmiko | tmckay: yea, we'll have to visit how we use the node hostname in the controller | 18:10 |
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| tmckay | elmiko, I'm wondering if we can switch most references to ip address, and defer hostname | 18:11 |
| tmckay | maybe that would help | 18:11 |
| tmckay | anyway ... summit | 18:11 |
| tmckay | we won't solve here | 18:11 |
| elmiko | tmckay: yea, that might work, or do something with container names. | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, elmiko, not always, some services requires dns, as I remember zookeeper requires dns | 18:11 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: dns + docker, i know it's a sticky issue. we've had some folks run into issues with reverse-dns lookup and containers | 18:12 |
| tmckay | hey, my service provider just hooked me up for international. So I can text you all in Paris :) Account was too new, didn't show up on the web page ... | 18:12 |
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| elmiko | tmckay: lol, nice | 18:13 |
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| * SergeyLukjanov planning to buy some local pre-paid sim card | 18:13 | |
| tmckay | oh, other issue for me .... | 18:13 |
| tmckay | playing with Scala class that can be imported by Spark jobs for convenience in setting hadoop configs for swift access (lots of names in that sentence) | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | do we need to discuss something about design summit? | 18:14 |
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| tmckay | haven't gotten too far yet, beyond learning enough Scala to do it :) | 18:14 |
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| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, oh, that's a good idea on the sim card | 18:15 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, lebara was good enough last time I've been in paris | 18:15 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: i'm happy with the session text for security stuff, i talked with OSSG and i think we'll have good communication/cooperation from them when needed. | 18:15 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, I missed sign up for the Mirantis party. Can you get me in? :) | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, great! | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, I think we'll be able to do it | 18:16 |
| tmckay | I may try to clean up the EDP pad a little, but the basic topics are there | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, okay | 18:16 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Design Summit @ Paris | 18:16 |
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| tmckay | I think maybe there is not too much to do for EDP in Kilo | 18:16 |
| * SergeyLukjanov need to update integration part | 18:16 | |
| tmckay | but, I could be wrong | 18:17 |
| aignatov | tmckay: thx you for composing awesome summary for me ;) | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, it's a good question | 18:17 |
| tmckay | aignatov, you're welcome | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, probably it's time to expose supported job types in API and remove hardcode from Horizon | 18:17 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: +1 | 18:17 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, yes. I think there is cleanup we can do, but I'm not sure there are big, new features | 18:18 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, yeah | 18:18 |
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| tmckay | alazarev spearheaded very nice refactoring, that makes it easy to add storm, fake plugin, spark, etc etc | 18:18 |
| aignatov | but it could all be discussed in your section | 18:19 |
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| aignatov | I think we can talk about not obly kilo part | 18:19 |
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| aignatov | but about edp future | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, ++ | 18:19 |
| elmiko | will we have time outside the meetup session to talk about api v2? | 18:19 |
| tmckay | agreed | 18:19 |
| tmckay | sure, in the pod, at the parties | 18:19 |
| aignatov | elmiko: yes | 18:20 |
| tmckay | during lunch, breakfast | 18:20 |
| elmiko | lol | 18:20 |
| elmiko | i remember the parties from icehouse, no work is getting done there ;) | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, we could talk about it a lot on the meetup | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and some folks are unable to chair sessions after such parties ;) | 18:20 |
| elmiko | lol! | 18:21 |
| tmckay | hmm, I think not too many are leaving on Friday so we can go all night if we have too | 18:21 |
| elmiko | i think there are some interesting ideas we should consider implementing, like async object endpoints | 18:21 |
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| tmckay | we really should add scaling to the CLI | 18:21 |
| tmckay | it's still missing, I believe | 18:22 |
| tmckay | no technical reason, just not done | 18:22 |
| alazarev_ | tmckay, +1 | 18:22 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, +1 | 18:22 |
| aignatov | +1 | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and probably cleanup the cli implementation | 18:22 |
| alazarev_ | tmckay, there is a plenty of work that can be done in python client | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yeah | 18:23 |
| tmckay | which pad should we add that to? Or just make sure there is still a blueprint? | 18:23 |
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| tmckay | maybe we should start a client pad | 18:23 |
| tosky | migrate to the unified client, if the project is still alive? | 18:23 |
| tmckay | tosky, unfamiliar with unified client | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, it souds like client is one more very important area to invest in Kilo | 18:23 |
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| tosky | tmckay: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStackClient | 18:24 |
| elmiko | something that was brought up, that would really help with cli, is having more documented json templates | 18:24 |
| jodah | documenting each parameter for each resource | 18:24 |
| tmckay | +1 I think we have a "extend and improve" dev cycle, just make everything better, fill in gaps | 18:24 |
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| tmckay | maybe not too many headline features | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, yup, it'll be great to extend and improve all the things ;) | 18:24 |
| tmckay | but, we have to have some headlines, or people get bored :) | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 18:25 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | we have a question raised by our new contributors from Shanhai - to make meeting time more friendly for Asia tz | 18:26 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | the easiest solution is to make each other week meeting in other time | 18:27 |
| tmckay | good idea | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I think i'll follow up with it in mailing list | 18:27 |
| tmckay | iirc, Asia is +13 or +14 from EST | 18:27 |
| tosky | Asia what timezone? | 18:28 |
| tmckay | well, I meant Japan :) | 18:28 |
| tmckay | but there is more :) | 18:28 |
| alazarev_ | the main question I have, will they regularly attend the meeting? | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it's a good question too | 18:29 |
| alazarev_ | I have never seen them here | 18:29 |
| dmitryme | speaking about shanghai, it has timezone UTC/GMT +8 hours | 18:29 |
| jodah | maybe they're asleep? :) | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yeah, I think so | 18:30 |
| alazarev_ | if this is not important enough to attend meeting one time at 3AM... | 18:30 |
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| alazarev_ | will they attend _regularly_ in convenient time? | 18:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | who knows | 18:31 |
| crobertsrh | What is the proposed convenient time? | 18:32 |
| jodah | Perhaps ask them for a proposed convenient time range | 18:32 |
| aignatov | crobertsrh: you found your power? ;) | 18:32 |
| elmiko | lol | 18:32 |
| crobertsrh | Yes :) | 18:32 |
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| tmckay | crobertsh, blizzard there? | 18:34 |
| tmckay | It is October, after all | 18:34 |
| crobertsrh | Nothing but sunshine today. I have no idea what happened | 18:34 |
| elmiko | weird... | 18:35 |
| elmiko | tmckay: actually, the forecast for halloween is snow | 18:35 |
| tmckay | same here I think, but only in the mountains | 18:35 |
| jodah | I'm new to the project, trying to get familiar with things :) I was reading the storm blueprint and it got me wondering about what is or isn't in scope for Sahara? What sorts of things are fair game to provision? Because I know Heat sees some of this stuff as potentially its area. | 18:35 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | jodah, sahara is the data processing as the service | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jodah, so, we're making not only provisioning but operations like correct scaling/ decomminisioning, configuration + EDP | 18:36 |
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| jodah | sure. EDP applies to hadoop though, not really storm | 18:37 |
| jodah | ...or stream processing, at least looking at the EDP API | 18:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we'd like to apply it to Storm too | 18:37 |
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| jodah | for deploying topologies and such? | 18:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jodah, currently it's applied to both Hadoop and Spark | 18:37 |
| tmckay | jodah, why not storm? You can run jobs in storm, right? | 18:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jodah, storm topology == hadoop job execution | 18:38 |
| jodah | sure | 18:38 |
| tmckay | yeah, as long as you have data to process, and you can start it and cancel it and check its progress, it qualifies | 18:39 |
| tmckay | EDP has only "run, cancel, status" at a high level | 18:39 |
| jodah | the concepts somewhat line up | 18:39 |
| tmckay | and "input" and "output", or an argument list | 18:39 |
| jodah | aside from storm though, i'm curious just generally - about the scope of sahara | 18:39 |
| tmckay | run => "go" or "start" | 18:39 |
| jodah | is it to encompass any input->process->output data pipeline? | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jodah, it's impossible to cover inf list of data processing frameworks | 18:40 |
| crobertsrh | I think to encompass "many" would be a better way to say it | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, for now we're mostly hadoop, hadoop-like and very popular frameworks :) | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, ++ | 18:41 |
| jodah | the EDP resources are obviously very hadoop specific - ex: job-binaries, whereas storm has its own specific concepts. | 18:41 |
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| jodah | i'm sure they can be generalized, i'm just looking at it right now | 18:41 |
| tmckay | but, in general, 1) provision a cluster for analytics and 2) simple interface to run analytics | 18:41 |
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| jodah | fair enough :) | 18:42 |
| tmckay | jodah, I'll read up on storm, not too familiar. It would be an interesting look at the Sahara concepts, maybe expose unintended biases | 18:42 |
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| jodah | i just came from doing a bunch of stream processing / messaging work, including with storm, but hadoop is a newer area to me :) | 18:43 |
| jodah | related question, If we're provisioning Hadoop, and Storm, should we be provisioning ZooKeeper clusters separately (since they are often shared across services in production)? Does this get a bit to close to what heat can do? | 18:43 |
| tmckay | jodah, I am also thinking about mesos, and a cluster that maybe has multiple applications running on it | 18:44 |
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| jodah | exactly | 18:44 |
| jodah | similar with ZK - we share our ZK clusters for kafka and storm. i've seen deployments that share them for hadoop as well, since the throughput is so low | 18:44 |
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| tmckay | jodah, will you be at summit? | 18:45 |
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| jodah | unfortunately i will not | 18:45 |
| tmckay | pity | 18:45 |
| jodah | i'm sure i will at the following summit though | 18:45 |
| tmckay | :) | 18:45 |
| tmckay | okay, great | 18:46 |
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| jodah | i just started working on some of this stuff with HP cloud. i'll be around a lot :) | 18:46 |
| elmiko | fwiw i think it's an interesting idea we should investigate | 18:46 |
| jodah | with ZK in particular though, does that start to overlap too much with heat? | 18:47 |
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| jodah | provisioning things that don't really get re-configured much or scaled up/down | 18:47 |
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| tmckay | well, sahara uses heat under the hood (can use heat) | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jodah, I think that it'll looks like we could to specify external ZK cluster to the clusters provisioned by sahara | 18:48 |
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| jodah | that would make sense | 18:48 |
| tmckay | so, if we have things that just map through to heat, that will be fine imho | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yeah | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and due to the fact that we use heat | 18:48 |
| jodah | or somehow delegate to a heat stack to standup the ZK cluster that might be needed for hadoop/storm | 18:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and sahara could be used from heat | 18:49 |
| jodah | One more thought on storm - aside from lifecycle management, scaling up/down, etc., has there been any talk about doing more stream processing related abstractions on top of storm/spark-streaming, similar to what other services like kinesis do? | 18:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jodah, it's a topic to talk about | 18:51 |
| jodah | it's hard to generalize storm since the concepts are so specific, but perhaps a few things could be done | 18:51 |
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| tmckay | jodah, have you talked to tellesnobrega? He is doing the storm plugin | 18:51 |
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| jodah | no, but i'd like to | 18:51 |
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| tmckay | jodah, he's been doing most of the work. Maybe you can collaborate | 18:52 |
| tmckay | most may even be "all" | 18:52 |
| jodah | sounds good | 18:52 |
| jodah | since i'm new to the project i'm not sure which areas i'll be asked to focus on, but that is certainly possible :) | 18:53 |
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| tmckay | 5 minutes folks, anything else? | 18:54 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | if not we could end it 5 mins earlier and have extra coffee | 18:55 |
| tmckay | ++ | 18:55 |
| elmiko | +1 | 18:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 18:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 30 18:55:51 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-10-30-18.00.html | 18:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-10-30-18.00.txt | 18:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-10-30-18.00.log.html | 18:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thank you folks | 18:55 |
| tmckay | thanks, bye | 18:56 |
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| amitgandhinz | #startmeeting Weekly Poppy Meeting | 18:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 30 18:59:55 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'weekly_poppy_meeting' | 19:00 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic RollCall | 19:00 |
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| tonytan4ever | \o | 19:00 |
| amitgandhinz | o/ | 19:00 |
| catherin_ | o/ | 19:00 |
| tonytan4ever | What does this sign o/ mean ? | 19:00 |
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| amitgandhinz | its a face and one hand up waving | 19:00 |
| megan_w_ | its a little guy waving his hand | 19:00 |
| malini | o/ | 19:00 |
| megan_w_ | o/ | 19:01 |
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| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: must be left handed =P | 19:01 |
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| tonytan4ever | OK so I wasn't wrong, I am just waing my left hand | 19:01 |
| malini | \o/ | 19:01 |
| obulpathi | o/ | 19:01 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok looks like most of us are here | 19:02 |
| obulpathi | malini is super happy | 19:02 |
| malini | I was just letting folks know that I have two hands | 19:02 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic last week tonight with amitgandhinz | 19:02 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2014/poppy_weekly_meeting.2014-10-23-19.00.html | 19:02 |
| amitgandhinz | no action items | 19:02 |
| malini | tht toic sounds very scary | 19:02 |
| amitgandhinz | that was easy | 19:02 |
| amitgandhinz | malini: its a play on the hbo show last week tonight with john oliver | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic blueprints | 19:03 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: dns driver | 19:03 |
| obulpathi | i started it | 19:04 |
| obulpathi | have basic code | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | slow or good progress? | 19:04 |
| obulpathi | good progress :) | 19:04 |
| obulpathi | but it is coming slowly | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | cool | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | thats a contradiction lol | 19:05 |
| malini | slow and steady | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: caching-rules | 19:05 |
| obulpathi | have not started it yet | 19:05 |
| obulpathi | once I get the patch merged, I will pick it up | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | migui does not seem to be around today | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: purge-content | 19:06 |
| tonytan4ever | It's under review | 19:06 |
| tonytan4ever | More reviews are welcome | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | are ppl reviewing it? | 19:06 |
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| amitgandhinz | hmm it looks like its ready to merge | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | oh wait wrong patch ehhe | 19:07 |
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| amitgandhinz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129674/ | 19:07 |
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| amitgandhinz | you have a -1 from malini to work on | 19:07 |
| tonytan4ever | got one comment to address | 19:07 |
| tonytan4ever | Should be able to address quickly. | 19:07 |
| malini | tht was moreof q uestion for everybody | 19:07 |
| malini | But we can dicsuss it in #openstack-poppy | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:08 |
| tonytan4ever | ｏｒ ｉｎ ｏｐｅｎ ｄｉｓｃｕｓｓｉｏｎ | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | amitgandhinz: queue-driver | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | we need to ban tonytan4ever's space bar | 19:08 |
| tonytan4ever | I banned it. | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | queue-driver is being dev'd by the team this hackday hehe | 19:08 |
| obulpathi | hhaha | 19:08 |
| malini | thtwillbebad | 19:09 |
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| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: patch-service | 19:09 |
| obulpathi | there are few final details to be ironed out | 19:09 |
| obulpathi | so its still in the same state | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: set-restrictions | 19:10 |
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| tonytan4ever | that one is under review as well. | 19:10 |
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| tonytan4ever | Could use more reviews on that one. | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | yup. i had some minor nits, but please others review it also | 19:11 |
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| * amitgandhinz the patch, not my nits =P | 19:11 | |
| obulpathi | ok | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | ok on to bugs | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic bugs | 19:11 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | i see 2 new ones | 19:12 |
| tonytan4ever | one sec | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | ? | 19:12 |
| tonytan4ever | amitgandhinz: I need you to assign the akamai-driver bp to me before we jumping into bugs. | 19:12 |
| malini | I updated apiary for this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy/+bug/1386315 | 19:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1386315 in poppy "Undocumented "name" property in POST /services error response JSON" [Undecided,New] | 19:12 |
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| amitgandhinz | done | 19:13 |
| tonytan4ever | kk | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | ok bugs... | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | can that be closed now malini? | 19:14 |
| malini | yes | 19:14 |
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| amitgandhinz | done | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy/+bug/1386141 | 19:14 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1386141 in poppy "Create Flavor - limit value not stored in Cassandra" [Undecided,New] | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | this looks like a duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy/+bug/1381114 | 19:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1381114 in poppy "Create Flavor - Flavor Limits not validated or saved" [Medium,Confirmed] | 19:14 |
| malini | no.. | 19:15 |
| malini | phew..tht was close | 19:15 |
| malini | well it is :/ | 19:15 |
| malini | :'( | 19:15 |
| malini | I lost a new bug.. | 19:16 |
| * amitgandhinz phew! | 19:16 | |
| malini | lets close the new one | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | which one can we close | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:16 |
| malini | next time I will get a really NEW one | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | not on my watch ! | 19:17 |
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| amitgandhinz | =P | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | any thing else on bugs? | 19:17 |
| malini | tht is why I test at night BWAHAAHAAA | 19:17 |
| malini | nope | 19:18 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic Paris | 19:18 |
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| obulpathi | one more bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy/+bug/1384271 | 19:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1384271 in poppy "List Services - NON ASCII limit causes poppy to return 500" [Medium,Confirmed] | 19:18 |
| obulpathi | this one is fixed | 19:18 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/poppy-design-session-paris | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: is that merged? | 19:19 |
| obulpathi | yes sir | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | also in the patch commit message you can put Closes Bug: 12345 and it updates the bug | 19:19 |
| obulpathi | ok, will do | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | updated. | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | ok paris... | 19:19 |
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| amitgandhinz | so i think we finalized the agenda for the design session | 19:20 |
| malini | wooot! | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | basically do a 10m intro on poppy (basically the slides i will do in the brown bag) | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | so that will be about 15 min all up from intro to slides | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | then i want to spend the majority of the time talking about how poppy can integrate with swift | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | learn about the challenges | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | what features we need to support etc | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | and hopefully come up with a list of things for the poppy team to do and maybe the swift team to do | 19:21 |
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| amitgandhinz | any comments on this? | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | i think between all the logging work, getting production ready, and swift integration, that will take us to May for the L summit | 19:23 |
| obulpathi | looks like a good plan | 19:23 |
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| amitgandhinz | megan_w_: comments? | 19:23 |
| tonytan4ever | I am fine with this plan too. | 19:24 |
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| megan_w_ | i thikn this looks good | 19:24 |
| megan_w_ | i think people will be ready for custom ssl, though | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | probably | 19:24 |
| megan_w_ | we're already hearing it from our sales reps | 19:24 |
| megan_w_ | many people consider CDN useless without it | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | but i think thats a discussion to be had directly with cdn providers | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | rather than other openstack teams | 19:25 |
| megan_w_ | agreed | 19:25 |
| megan_w_ | just made the comment since you said those items would take us through may | 19:25 |
| megan_w_ | we may need to find room for ssl in the roadmap before then | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | im sure there will be more but im just looking at priority list | 19:25 |
| megan_w_ | ya | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | unless you think ssl is more important than swift | 19:25 |
| megan_w_ | i don't | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:26 |
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| amitgandhinz | alright.....anything else to discuss about paris? | 19:26 |
| malini | cheese? | 19:26 |
| amitgandhinz | im going to try to stand at the expo booth on monday, and then design and brownbag on tuesday | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | and then cheese and wine on wednesday | 19:27 |
| megan_w_ | sounds like a good week | 19:27 |
| megan_w_ | represent us well | 19:27 |
| megan_w_ | and take business cards! | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | ah yes, must use them up | 19:27 |
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| megan_w_ | yeah, i figured that might be the case :) | 19:28 |
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| obulpathi | he literally did it | 19:28 |
| malini | :D | 19:28 |
| megan_w_ | lol | 19:28 |
| obulpathi | amitgandhinz, I mean | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | ok, moving on | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic open discussion | 19:29 |
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| amitgandhinz | 31 min remaining to chat about whatever | 19:29 |
| amitgandhinz | or we could get back to working =P | 19:29 |
| obulpathi | so talking about ssl | 19:29 |
| malini | tonytan4ever had something with spaces | 19:29 |
| obulpathi | are there are plans to look into keyless ssl | 19:29 |
| obulpathi | ? | 19:29 |
| amitgandhinz | thats the SNI stuff? | 19:29 |
| tonytan4ever | Let's chat about one comment to my patchset | 19:29 |
| tonytan4ever | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129674/7/poppy/manager/default/service_async_workers/purge_service_worker.py | 19:29 |
| amitgandhinz | ok SSL first | 19:29 |
| obulpathi | SNI? | 19:29 |
| amitgandhinz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication | 19:30 |
| megan_w_ | yes, SNI is becoming a standard poor-mans ssl | 19:31 |
| megan_w_ | and it's plenty for a lot of cusotmres | 19:31 |
| amitgandhinz | http://aws.amazon.com/cloudfront/custom-ssl-domains/ | 19:31 |
| megan_w_ | i'd like for us to investigate it | 19:31 |
| obulpathi | not sure if the SNI and key less ssl means the same | 19:31 |
| obulpathi | https://www.cloudflare.com/keyless-ssl | 19:31 |
| megan_w_ | if we can get SNI done quickly, it buys us more time for custom SSL certificates | 19:31 |
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| amitgandhinz | with keyless SSL it sounds like something the CDN providers have to support | 19:32 |
| amitgandhinz | since the traffic is NOT going through the operators | 19:32 |
| megan_w_ | amitgandhinz: is that the same as SNI? | 19:32 |
| amitgandhinz | it looks similar | 19:33 |
| megan_w_ | maybe someone should spike this | 19:33 |
| amitgandhinz | i think SNI is slightly different | 19:33 |
| amitgandhinz | keyless is where cloudfront encrypts, decrypts, and reenvrypts the traffic | 19:33 |
| obulpathi | yes, keyless required CDN providers to support it | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | SNI is a shared IP with a cert on it | 19:34 |
| megan_w_ | SNI is basically a shared cert, right? | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | ya | 19:34 |
| megan_w_ | as you just said.. | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | its more of a shared ip | 19:34 |
| megan_w_ | ..sounds like both require provider support | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | with multiple certs on it | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | yup | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | at the end of the day, poppy should be just enabling exisitng features | 19:35 |
| amitgandhinz | and making that provisioning easier | 19:35 |
| amitgandhinz | so poppy could be responsible for sharing the cert keys etc (via barbican?) and then the rest is on the providers | 19:35 |
| megan_w_ | i am unclear about what "the rest" is | 19:36 |
| amitgandhinz | i think this requrires more spiking though | 19:36 |
| megan_w_ | agreed | 19:36 |
| obulpathi | agreed | 19:36 |
| megan_w_ | i can start conversations with some of the providers if you'd like | 19:36 |
| megan_w_ | you can give me the action | 19:36 |
| amitgandhinz | "the rest" is using the cert, encrypting the traffic, etc | 19:36 |
| amitgandhinz | #action megan_w_ to start investigation SNI and Keyless SSL | 19:36 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok, lets move on to tony's patch | 19:37 |
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| tonytan4ever | This is the link:https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129674/7/poppy/manager/default/service_async_workers/purge_service_worker.py | 19:37 |
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| tonytan4ever | see malini's comment inbetween | 19:37 |
| amitgandhinz | i think i agree with malini | 19:38 |
| amitgandhinz | purge all should be intentional | 19:38 |
| amitgandhinz | what if we say the purge url has to be provided and purge all happens if they pass in '/' | 19:38 |
| malini | make it ?url=all ?? | 19:38 |
| amitgandhinz | nah | 19:39 |
| amitgandhinz | what if they have a folder called all lol | 19:39 |
| malini | :D | 19:39 |
| tonytan4ever | url=/ ? | 19:39 |
| amitgandhinz | thats what im thinking | 19:39 |
| obulpathi | * ? | 19:39 |
| malini | I didnt like the url part either | 19:39 |
| amitgandhinz | what if they leave the url param out and provide something else instead | 19:40 |
| amitgandhinz | ?url=.... will purge a url. ?all=true will purge all | 19:40 |
| obulpathi | good idea | 19:40 |
| tonytan4ever | I like this one. | 19:40 |
| obulpathi | since anything can be in url | 19:40 |
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| tonytan4ever | all=True | 19:40 |
| malini | me too | 19:40 |
| megan_w_ | seems like the right format | 19:41 |
| amitgandhinz | what is the full url? | 19:41 |
| malini | DELETE /services/{service_name}/assets{?url} | 19:41 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:42 |
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| amitgandhinz | so we all agreed? | 19:42 |
| obulpathi | +1 | 19:42 |
| catherin_ | I'm witing this down! :) | 19:42 |
| tonytan4ever | I agree. | 19:42 |
| malini | we agree too easily :d | 19:42 |
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| amitgandhinz | #agreed purge all requires a ?all=True parameter instead of ?url=blank | 19:43 |
| amitgandhinz | now is it true or True | 19:43 |
| tonytan4ever | yeah | 19:43 |
| malini | tht is test case for me :D | 19:43 |
| amitgandhinz | i like lowercase | 19:43 |
| catherin_ | can it be either? | 19:44 |
| obulpathi | lowercase if good in urls | 19:44 |
| malini | why cant it be either? | 19:44 |
| obulpathi | lowarecase is good in urls | 19:44 |
| amitgandhinz | it can, but lets document it in lowercase | 19:44 |
| amitgandhinz | cool | 19:45 |
| obulpathi | +1 | 19:45 |
| amitgandhinz | any other topics to discuss/ | 19:45 |
| catherin_ | got it! | 19:45 |
| malini | none from me.. | 19:46 |
| malini | do well in Paris amitgandhinz! | 19:46 |
| amitgandhinz | thanks! | 19:46 |
| megan_w_ | just don't hold the mic all ghetto like kurt did | 19:46 |
| amitgandhinz | hahahaha | 19:46 |
| megan_w_ | you'll do great | 19:46 |
| catherin_ | wear your chapeau! | 19:47 |
| megan_w_ | lol | 19:47 |
| amitgandhinz | i feel i need to buy some beats by dre now | 19:47 |
| megan_w_ | aaaaand we're off | 19:47 |
| amitgandhinz | #endmeeting | 19:47 |
| megan_w_ | later gators | 19:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 30 19:47:28 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/weekly_poppy_meeting/2014/weekly_poppy_meeting.2014-10-30-18.59.html | 19:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/weekly_poppy_meeting/2014/weekly_poppy_meeting.2014-10-30-18.59.txt | 19:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/weekly_poppy_meeting/2014/weekly_poppy_meeting.2014-10-30-18.59.log.html | 19:47 |
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| nikhil_k | o/ | 20:00 |
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| TravT | o/ | 20:01 |
| arnaud | o/ | 20:01 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 20:01 |
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| nikhil_k | rosmaita: zhiyan jcook flaper87 : around? | 20:02 |
| nikhil_k | __hemanthm: esheffield ? | 20:02 |
| nikhil_k | #startmeeting Glance | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 30 20:02:35 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil_k. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 20:02 |
| nikhil_k | #link Agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 20:02 |
| nikhil_k | seems like we've a small group | 20:03 |
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| nikhil_k | we can do this quick | 20:03 |
| nikhil_k | some general updates | 20:03 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Updates | 20:03 |
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| nikhil_k | Next summit is in vancouver | 20:04 |
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| nikhil_k | and the one after is in APAC | 20:04 |
| ativelkov | APAC? | 20:04 |
| nikhil_k | iiuc, Asia Pacific | 20:04 |
| nikhil_k | next one | 20:04 |
| ativelkov | (google says APAC is in Uganda, don't want to go there) | 20:04 |
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| esheffield | o/ | 20:05 |
| nikhil_k | I know, it does say that | 20:05 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: me neither | 20:05 |
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| nikhil_k | anyways, we got slap on the hand again from the release management | 20:05 |
| nikhil_k | for not pushing bugs early in the RCs | 20:05 |
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| nikhil_k | so, this makes it even more important in kilo | 20:06 |
| nikhil_k | that means, we def need informal freeze on the blueprints | 20:06 |
| nikhil_k | something to help you all on that... | 20:06 |
| ativelkov | and more formal tagging process, right? | 20:06 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131550/ | 20:07 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: yeah | 20:07 |
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| nikhil_k | there is a glance "bug team" in launchpad | 20:07 |
| nikhil_k | I recommend everyone interested signing up for it | 20:07 |
| nikhil_k | and keep an eye on the potential bugs to be listed in the RC | 20:07 |
| nikhil_k | and see which are getting enough work/reviews | 20:08 |
| ativelkov | what about having "Review days" - similar to the "bug days" we had? | 20:08 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: let's get a vote on that | 20:08 |
| ativelkov | to focus team's power specifically on reviewing | 20:08 |
| nikhil_k | we'd a push back last time | 20:08 |
| ativelkov | ah. What are the drawbacks in this? | 20:09 |
| nikhil_k | anyone interested in conducting review day? | 20:09 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: dunno | 20:09 |
| ativelkov | I do believe that we at least should do some extra reviewing for the bugs tagged for backporting | 20:09 |
| nikhil_k | yep | 20:10 |
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| ativelkov | as time is running fast, and K1 is not THAT far | 20:10 |
| nikhil_k | 2014-12-18 -> k1 | 20:11 |
| nikhil_k | okay then, we can decide that after the summit when everyone is around for the review day proposal | 20:11 |
| nikhil_k | next up | 20:11 |
| ativelkov | so, my +1 for "review days" at least when approaching milestones. But yeah, let's wait for wider audience | 20:11 |
| nikhil_k | cool | 20:11 |
| nikhil_k | agenda for the summit | 20:11 |
| nikhil_k | Hope everyone is at least "okay" with the topics and schedule | 20:12 |
| nikhil_k | it's a bummer that we did not get to have either of our cross project topics | 20:12 |
| nikhil_k | if not, please let me know soon-ish | 20:12 |
| nikhil_k | even for any conflicts with glance sessions with cross-project ones (if that's applicable) | 20:13 |
| * nikhil_k should study the schedule further | 20:13 | |
| nikhil_k | anyways, there is a tiny-miniscule chance that a change to schedule is possible | 20:13 |
| nikhil_k | Cool! That's good news. | 20:14 |
| nikhil_k | next one | 20:14 |
| ativelkov | But the slots (4 session wednesday + meetup on Friday) are fixed, aren't they? | 20:14 |
| nikhil_k | they could change as well | 20:14 |
| nikhil_k | though seems very tricky | 20:15 |
| nikhil_k | as the scheduling is a complicated process | 20:15 |
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| nikhil_k | we need a fix / direction for https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-glanceclient/+bug/1382582 | 20:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1382582 in python-glanceclient "untestable in Python 3.4" [Critical,In progress] | 20:16 |
| nikhil_k | soon-ish | 20:16 |
| nikhil_k | seems like our glance-client tests fail and is blocking py34 to be enabled on gate | 20:16 |
| nikhil_k | that's a must fix or give alternative kinda bug | 20:16 |
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| nikhil_k | there was one volunteer for QA liaison, is he here? | 20:17 |
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| nikhil_k | okay then, we can move and deal with it later | 20:17 |
| nikhil_k | survey | 20:18 |
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| nikhil_k | please try to take out 3 or so mins of your time to complete the survey | 20:18 |
| nikhil_k | #link http://goo.gl/forms/mfDEXdY0DA | 20:18 |
| nikhil_k | so, we can start planning on the next meetup | 20:19 |
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| nikhil_k | virtual or otherwise | 20:19 |
| * ativelkov has already filled this in | 20:19 | |
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| nikhil_k | Thanks ativelkov | 20:19 |
| nikhil_k | and to those who have already given your responses | 20:20 |
| nikhil_k | much appreciated | 20:20 |
| nikhil_k | it is really helpful | 20:20 |
| TravT | will you share the results of the survey? | 20:20 |
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| nikhil_k | TravT: for sure | 20:20 |
| nikhil_k | until now | 20:21 |
| nikhil_k | we've everyone who liked our vitual summit | 20:21 |
| nikhil_k | most do NOT want to get rid of face to face meetup | 20:21 |
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| nikhil_k | and most also said okay to having more of these video sessions | 20:22 |
| nikhil_k | total responses = 5 (until a few hours back) :P | 20:22 |
| nikhil_k | that's good though | 20:22 |
| TravT | sounds positive | 20:22 |
| nikhil_k | who all liked or disliked will try to give feedback soon-ish | 20:22 |
| nikhil_k | and the rest of the population is pretty much neutral if they do not take the survey (by default) | 20:23 |
| nikhil_k | moving on | 20:23 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Meeting Times | 20:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Meeting Times (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 20:23 | |
| nikhil_k | Should we move all the meetings to 14UTC? | 20:24 |
| nikhil_k | #vote | 20:24 |
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| nikhil_k | heh, only if I remembered how to do this | 20:24 |
| ativelkov | #startvote | 20:24 |
| openstack | Only the meeting chair may start a vote. | 20:24 |
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| nikhil_k | #startvote Should we move all the meetings to 14UTC? | 20:24 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Should we move all the meetings to 14UTC? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 20:24 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 20:24 |
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| ativelkov | #vote Yes | 20:25 |
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| nikhil_k | hmm, may be we need to take this vote during the other meeting time too | 20:25 |
| nikhil_k | unless there are some NOs here | 20:26 |
| ativelkov | yes, seems like we don't have quorum today | 20:26 |
| nikhil_k | not sure if arnaud is still around? | 20:26 |
| arnaud | I am | 20:26 |
| nikhil_k | ah | 20:26 |
| arnaud | :) | 20:26 |
| * TravT looking at time zone conversion table | 20:26 | |
| nikhil_k | you are prolly most affected by this change | 20:26 |
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| arnaud | #vote Yes | 20:26 |
| arnaud | but we might want to check with Zhi | 20:26 |
| TravT | Can it be 1400 UTC until daylight time starts in US? Then change to 1500 UTC? | 20:27 |
| nikhil_k | sure | 20:27 |
| nikhil_k | hmm, TravT we may have to check | 20:27 |
| nikhil_k | one sec | 20:28 |
| ativelkov | this probably depends on the slot availability | 20:28 |
| ativelkov | This is shared channel | 20:28 |
| arnaud | +1 ativelkov | 20:28 |
| ativelkov | probably some other project may have this slot | 20:28 |
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| nikhil_k | we've one conflict | 20:29 |
| nikhil_k | Manila Team meeting | 20:29 |
| nikhil_k | wonder if they will let us use other channel for our meetings | 20:29 |
| nikhil_k | #action nikhil_k: find if using other meeting channel is allowed to accomodate 15UTC Thursdays | 20:30 |
| ativelkov | is 14:00 available on both weeks? | 20:30 |
| nikhil_k | good point | 20:31 |
| TravT | time change is next week. to standard time. | 20:31 |
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| nikhil_k | seems so | 20:31 |
| nikhil_k | yeah | 20:31 |
| nikhil_k | we prolly won't change anything for at least 2 weeks | 20:31 |
| nikhil_k | to accomodate travels etc | 20:32 |
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| nikhil_k | so, that's end of novemenber range | 20:32 |
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| nikhil_k | Better to do this on ML | 20:32 |
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| nikhil_k | #endvote | 20:32 |
| openstack | Voted on "Should we move all the meetings to 14UTC?" Results are | 20:32 |
| nikhil_k | #showvote | 20:33 |
| ativelkov | Looks like the bot has died | 20:33 |
| ativelkov | poor guy | 20:33 |
| nikhil_k | openstack: ping | 20:33 |
| nikhil_k | that prolly doesn't exist | 20:33 |
| nikhil_k | anywhu | 20:33 |
| nikhil_k | __hemanthm: around? | 20:34 |
| TravT | well, my vote would be for an hour later during standard time. | 20:34 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: your idea about the team page | 20:34 |
| nikhil_k | I think Hemanth wanted to add some review guidelines stuff | 20:34 |
| nikhil_k | so that we've less of back and forth and better reviews too | 20:34 |
| nikhil_k | may be you guys can team up | 20:35 |
| nikhil_k | cool, next one | 20:35 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Image filtering | 20:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Image filtering (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 20:35 | |
| ativelkov | Yes, we'll join | 20:35 |
| nikhil_k | not sure who proposed that | 20:35 |
| ativelkov | I pu it to agenda | 20:35 |
| nikhil_k | thanks | 20:36 |
| ativelkov | becuase the after of that commit pinged me about it | 20:36 |
| ativelkov | author* | 20:36 |
| nikhil_k | heh okay :) | 20:36 |
| nikhil_k | I would say may be even a git repo should be fine | 20:36 |
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| ativelkov | thats https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125780/ | 20:37 |
| nikhil_k | ah, I got your wrong earlier | 20:37 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: if you wanted to go ahead | 20:37 |
| ativelkov | Yeah, just a topic to discuss about API compatibility | 20:37 |
| ativelkov | commit author (wborkowski) want to filter images by "contains" filter | 20:38 |
| ativelkov | instead of name equality | 20:38 |
| ativelkov | so glance image-list --name cirros will return all images | 20:39 |
| ativelkov | containing "cirros" inside the name | 20:39 |
| nikhil_k | don't think we've any issues yet | 20:39 |
| ativelkov | I believe it may be a good idea, but if implemented directly as it is proposed, it will break backwards compatibility | 20:39 |
| ativelkov | so I've -1'ed the commit and called for wider discussion | 20:40 |
| ativelkov | That's why the topic is in agenda :) | 20:40 |
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| TravT | if we do the search index, that api change won't be needed. | 20:40 |
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| nikhil_k | well for those who start using search index, at least right away | 20:41 |
| TravT | if this is to be added, I'd think the API should be changed to have an option to go from contains to equality. | 20:42 |
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| TravT | vice versa | 20:42 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: this seems tricky right | 20:42 |
| ativelkov | TravT: agree. And default should have the old semantics, so we don't break backwards compatibility | 20:42 |
| nikhil_k | we want to specify if complete match is needed or not | 20:42 |
| nikhil_k | yeah | 20:42 |
| ativelkov | I've actually expected Wlodzimerz to be here (that's why I've pu it to agenda so he could defend his position), but it turns out he is not here | 20:44 |
| nikhil_k | we've a smaller group anyways, we can catch up post-summit on this | 20:44 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: should we move on? | 20:44 |
| TravT | well, I'm going to -1 it with the same reason ativelkov | 20:44 |
| ativelkov | nikhil_k: yup | 20:45 |
| nikhil_k | cool | 20:45 |
| nikhil_k | another important bug | 20:45 |
| nikhil_k | #topic bug1381419 | 20:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug1381419 (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 20:45 | |
| nikhil_k | https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1381419 | 20:45 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1381419 in glance "glance.tests.unit.v2.test_images_resource.TestImagesController.test_index_with_marker failed in periodic stable job run" [Critical,New] | 20:45 |
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| nikhil_k | pardon me, forgot the context | 20:47 |
| nikhil_k | :) | 20:47 |
| nikhil_k | been almost 2 weeks | 20:47 |
| nikhil_k | will move on for now and come back to this in the next meeting | 20:47 |
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| TravT | if this is blocking gate jobs, then it seems very important | 20:48 |
| nikhil_k | Don't think it's blocking | 20:48 |
| nikhil_k | its prolly recurrent | 20:48 |
| ativelkov | we have rally job failing as well. Is anybody working on it? | 20:48 |
| nikhil_k | think, it was fixed last night/eve | 20:48 |
| ativelkov | ah, good. Didn't notice that | 20:49 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Open Discussion | 20:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 20:49 | |
| nikhil_k | woot! we've managed to give 10 mins to this topic.. finally | 20:49 |
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| nikhil_k | nothing? | 20:50 |
| wborkowski | Hi | 20:50 |
| wborkowski | miss my part :( | 20:50 |
| nikhil_k | no issues, we can discuss now | 20:51 |
| ativelkov | wborkowski: hi. We have time for it now | 20:51 |
| wborkowski | thx for review with name filter, just see similar request here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-glanceclient/+bug/917692 | 20:51 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 917692 in python-glanceclient "pattern matching for glance image-list filters" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 20:51 |
| wborkowski | I think it's related with it | 20:51 |
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| ativelkov | filtering by name-contains is definitely useful | 20:52 |
| ativelkov | the question is about the implementation and proposed change to API | 20:52 |
| wborkowski | ok | 20:53 |
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| ativelkov | what I am worried about is that your implementation implicitly changes the API to less-restrictive. Which is not a good thing to do for a service which is already in production. | 20:54 |
| TravT | mark also has a comment in the bug about this having an impact on performance | 20:55 |
| nikhil_k | true | 20:56 |
| ativelkov | right, this will require full-text indexing on the name column | 20:56 |
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| wborkowski | ok, nice to have future, but I understand the consequences :S | 20:57 |
| ativelkov | which is possible, yet I donno if it can be defined in Alchemy without divin into RDBMS specifics | 20:57 |
| nikhil_k | wborkowski: wonder if an alternative approach for people who just want to use this might be okay | 21:00 |
| TravT | btw, we'll have a POC demo of indexed auto completion to show next week. | 21:00 |
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| nikhil_k | wborkowski: just creating a property with name as substring and using that as the base | 21:00 |
| ativelkov | TravT: that's great. Definitely wana see it | 21:01 |
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| nikhil_k | we are over time | 21:01 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks all! | 21:01 |
| nikhil_k | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 30 21:01:34 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-10-30-20.02.html | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-10-30-20.02.txt | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-10-30-20.02.log.html | 21:01 |
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